Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CrusherMania1592]

This image is just... troubling.

Speaking of this image, it bothers me due to another photo of YL having softer hair. Like HOW do you go from soft to blocky looking hair just like that?

 

[Noipoi]

That image everyone always shares of the three links is deceptive. They're not that similar in height.

The issue isn't that Young Link is too big, it's that he's a completely different art style. Adult Link looks extra dainty because of his modern proportions, while Young Link looks big because of his 90s proportions. His head, feet and hands are larger than A Link's, even though he IS quite a bit smaller. That problem will never go away.

Y'know, i'm not even a fan of Skull Kid, but if you put every Mario character together in a picture like this they would all look different.
If you put every Pokemon character in a picture like this they would all look different. The Zelda series should get to look a little different.

 

[Apollo500]

Speaking of this image, it bothers me due to another photo of YL having softer hair. Like HOW do you go from soft to blocky looking hair just like that?

All I can think is that the pictures were taken at different points in development? Maybe his model looks better in more recent builds of the game? Maybe I'm being too hopeful but I really do hope his model looks more consistently high-quality by release...

 

[Union of Darkness]

This image is just... troubling.

At the bottom of the website it says "Screenshots and footage depict game in development." I wouldn't worry. As for his size, Sakurai mentioned the scale in the game isn't canonically accurate.

 

[Will]

That image everyone always shares of the three links is deceptive. They're not that similar in height.

The issue isn't that Young Link is too big, it's that he's a completely different art style. Adult Link looks extra dainty because of his modern proportions, while Young Link looks big because of his 90s proportions. His head, feet and hands are larger than A Link's, even though he IS quite a bit smaller. That problem will never go away.

The Chad 90s Anime Aesthetic pulls through again

 

[Zinith]

This image is just... troubling.

I understand the whole "in development" point, but why prominently show that image when it's clearly unfinished? Who signed off on that?

 

[Will]

I understand the whole "in development" point, but why prominently show that image when it's clearly unfinished? Who signed off on that?

The same person who signed off on Chrom's everything.

 

[Noipoi]

This image is just... troubling.

Someone get this kid to a stylist for the love of god.

 

[vaanrose]

Is Young Link's Model really that bad though? I know that Chrom's looks pretty rough but I didn't think Young Link's looked that bad. Am I just overlooking something?

I've brought this up before, but a big difference between Young Link's Model and Chrom's model is the art direction. Young Link's model isn't great on a technical level, but he looks spot on from an aesthetic level. Chrom, meanwhile, really just doesn't look like Chrom to me. His face doesn't match, his eyes are wider, which completely changes his personality, his jawline is wrong, in general he's kind of just been given a generic anime face. But his model's also bad on a technical level, too.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'm gonna be real... I'd be mad that it wasn't Quote, Undyne, or literally any other popular indie game character. I mean, compared to Undertale and Cave Story, Shante doesn't have the true popularity or *cough*money making power*cough like those two. I mean, Cave Story was the posterboy for the Nintendo Wii Shop and Undertale is like... Undertale.

And yet, Shantae is the only one of those that's popular enough to, you know, have more than one game.

 

[RandomAce]

This image is just... troubling.

I swear, it deadass looks like whipped cream.

This is a pretty old picture though, because luckily later images like his fighter video and some segments during the E3 and August Direct removed that problem.

 

[Hinata]

I think this pic does a much better job of showing what Young Link will look like in the full game. The hair looks much better.

 

[Bionichute]

And yet, Shantae is the only one of those that's popular enough to, you know, have more than one game.

Shantae bias lol. What world do you come from where Shantae is more popular than goddang Undertale

 

[Yosher]

I understand the whole "in development" point, but why prominently show that image when it's clearly unfinished? Who signed off on that?

Maybe they secretly made a bet on how many beta images they can get onto TCRF.

 

[Apollo500]

I understand the whole "in development" point, but why prominently show that image when it's clearly unfinished? Who signed off on that?

Yeah, this is one of the things that's been bothering me. If this really is an image from early in development... why have it on the site to begin with? Sure it could be a comparison image, like "Here's how he looked early on, he looks much better now" but if that is the case it should be communicated.

 

[vaanrose]

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I think this pic does a much better job of showing what Young Link will look like in the full game. The hair looks much better.

Yeah, see, this one's gorgeous.

Could use a few more polys on that bomb tho >_>

 

[Apollo500]

Also, on the subject of Young Link, I'm still really hoping he gets an alt costume that replaces all his weapons with their Majora's Mask designs.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I've brought this up before, but a big difference between Young Link's Model and Chrom's model is the art direction. Young Link's model isn't great on a technical level, but he looks spot on from an aesthetic level. Chrom, meanwhile, really just doesn't look like Chrom to me. His face doesn't match, his eyes are wider, which completely changes his personality, his jawline is wrong, in general he's kind of just been given a generic anime face. But his model's also bad on a technical level, too.

Believe it or not, Chrom doesn't have an anime face, if he did I'd argue he looked on model.

The odd thing about the Awakening characters in this game and Smash 4 is that they often tried to look like Japanese models, so you have this strange combination of anime and real life features makes his face look really odd.

That's my theory anyways.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I understand the whole "in development" point, but why prominently show that image when it's clearly unfinished? Who signed off on that?

I'm fine with seeing unfinished work because it makes the comparison with the final product that much more interesting.

 

[ZephyrZ]

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I think this pic does a much better job of showing what Young Link will look like in the full game. The hair looks much better.

Oh sure, Young Link looks great in this picture. But on the other hand, something seems really off about Dodongo's character model.

 

[Zinith]

Also, on the subject of Young Link, I'm still really hoping he gets an alt costume that replaces all his weapons with their Majora's Mask designs.

MM Kokiri Sword - Hero's Shield
Razor Sword - Hero's Shield
Gilded Sword - Mirror Shield
Great Fairy's Sword - Mirror Shield

 

[Bionichute]

Just to note, Bit.Trip has seven games. If more games = more popularity, then Commander.Video should have been in smash before Little Mac or Shulk.

 

[vaanrose]

Believe it or not, Chrom doesn't have an anime face, if he did I'd argue he looked on model.

The odd thing about the Awakening characters in this game and Smash 4 is that they often tried to look like Japanese models, so you have this strange combination of anime and real life features makes his face look really odd.

That's my theory anyways.

Well, I mean, "anime" as a catch-all is about as descriptive as "comic book style" is over here.

Kozaki Yusuke is fond of much lighter stylization than the average "anime character," which actually should make it easier to translate the designs into 3D. And yet...

 

[NintenRob]

I'm happy Young Link backs, he was my favourite Link. And that Wario picture, he looks absolutely stunning. Can't wait to see more

 

[WingedSupernova]

This image is just... troubling.

Looks like my haircut after I went to Great Clips the last time. Never again.

 

[Zinith]

You know, I may like Young Link a little more if he was more designed around Majora's Mask...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

That image everyone always shares of the three links is deceptive. They're not that similar in height.

The issue isn't that Young Link is too big, it's that he's a completely different art style. Adult Link looks extra dainty because of his modern proportions, while Young Link looks big because of his 90s proportions. His head, feet and hands are larger than A Link's, even though he IS quite a bit smaller. That problem will never go away.

I love how the Zelda characters have designs based in different games instead of just 1-2 like the last 3 (I suppose 4) games

- BOTW for Link overall while Sheik has her gear straight up taken
- ALITP/ALBW
- OoT/MM
- Wind Waker

Some great design representation for them

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

They are clearly rushing pretty hard to get the game actually done. I'd expect some weirdness before the first few patches hit, just saying.

Also I'm a gameplay guy. If you like the floaty Link type of character, the way I look at it your main has two chances to be good. I can't imagine going into this game specifically wanting one of Young Link vs Toon Link; just approach them both neutrally and play whichever one turns out better while being happy you get double chances at a strong character. Toon Link was pretty average in 4, but I think the fundamental design is actually pretty strong and Toon Link was a major sleeper for Brawl's entire lifespan so I think it's a moveset worth taking seriously in an unknown new game especially with two shots at turning out well.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I love how the Zelda characters have designs based in different games instead of just 1-2 like the last 3 (I suppose 4) games

- BOTW for Link overall while Sheik has her gear straight up taken
- ALITP/ALBW
- OoT/MM
- Wind Waker

Some great design representation for them

They went so far to represent several game and now TP, which was the main game being repped the last 2 games has none. That makes me a bit sad tbh. They have to fix that and upgrade Midna to playable.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That image everyone always shares of the three links is deceptive. They're not that similar in height.

The issue isn't that Young Link is too big, it's that he's a completely different art style. Adult Link looks extra dainty because of his modern proportions, while Young Link looks big because of his 90s proportions. His head, feet and hands are larger than A Link's, even though he IS quite a bit smaller. That problem will never go away.

I don't really have a problem with his proportions. Maybe he is a bit on the big side, but I can let that slide.

What I do think is interesting though is that Zelda seems to be slightly taller than Link again. I do like him as tall as or a bit shorter than her, so her BotW incarnation was meh to me. I still preferred her to be a colder queen like in TP so this new cheerful version will take getting used to. The Dorf's looking great sizewise compared to Link, Zelda, and YL.

Still, I'm pretty happy with the state we have currently. I could always use more Zelda characters though...Urbosa...Midna...Skull Kid....

They went so far to represent several game and now TP, which was the main game being repped the last 2 games has none. That makes me a bit sad tbh. They have to fix that and upgrade Midna to playable.

Twili Midna as a Zelda echo is also an option I'd be okay with. She might need to be a bit taller, but there's still loads of space to still be shorter than Ganon. That would be epic.

 

[PSIGuy]

The lack of any MM-influence on Young Link is a shame. Young Link with the Razor Sword like in official art would be rad.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I guess I am late for the Elma discussion. But Still.

Thank you Lanky_gunner for the stock icon.

 

[Hinata]

I still wish we got Midna as a Twilight Princess rep.

 

[MainJPW]

For the folks saying Young Link is too big, isn’t he sized up like that so his hurt box wouldn’t be too small?

 

[Zinith]

No one's asking for Skyward Sword stuff...

 

[Hinata]

No one's asking for Skyward Sword stuff...

SET

THE

GROOSE

LOOSE

 

[vaanrose]

I don't really have a problem with his proportions. Maybe he is a bit on the big side, but I can let that slide.

What I do think is interesting though is that Zelda seems to be slightly taller than Link again. I do like him as tall as or a bit shorter than her, so her BotW incarnation was meh to me. I still preferred her to be a colder queen like in TP so this new cheerful version will take getting used to. The Dorf's looking great sizewise compared to Link, Zelda, and YL.

Still, I'm pretty happy with the state we have currently. I could always use more Zelda characters though...Urbosa...Midna...Skull Kid....

I like Link being really short and slim. Helps make the odds seem more stacked against him. Also why I generally prefer the younger Links. You have a Link like TP Link, who, yes, has a neat design, but he's tall, fit, covered in layers of chainmail and leather and just generally looks ready to go kick butt. It hardly takes courage to enter a fight when you're a badass.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I still wish we got Midna as a Twilight Princess rep.

You and me both. If Skull Kid actually does make it in as playable, Twilight Princess is one of the major omissions from 3D Zelda. Skyward Sword too but I never played that one.

 

[Momotsuki]

So as a point of reference, I decided to hack together a graphic detailing potential hints of Isabelle's possible inclusion. This is the last time I'll bring her up unless she's confirmed or deconfirmed.

Spoiler: The Graphic

 

[Bionichute]

SET

THE

GROOSE

LOOSE

it is still a crime he wasn't in hyrule warriors