Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[blackghost]

He says he's not a Smash guy. So, assume he isn't, what's the motivation to lie? And what sense would Dante in Smash even make?

dantes inclusion from capcom perspective makes sense. classic capcom in MegaMan modern capcom in dante (could also be monster hunter).
plus dante vs. bayonetta is something many people have wanted to have in one game for a long time. Bayonetta and dante are believed to be in the same universe and they have the same creator. smash is a game about making dream matchups happen that is a dream matchup.

 

[KMDP]

So it's not entirely the same build from E3? So maybe it's gameplay changes, stages, and options, and possibly more vets?

The way they worded it, it sounds like it's the got the same content as before, just with more stuff (presumably, Lucina, Chrom, Dark Samus, Simon, Richter and K. Rool).

 

[Rikka]

Well, that's a little disappointing but it's better than it being exactly the same. Was particularly hoping to see stage morph and final smash meter as options.

They tend not to give a lot of rule controls to people playing a demo on a show floor.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Given that his fashion sense is like a Fist of the North Star character, I would take offense to that.

Jagi is as edgy as it gets

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Do we actually have concrete evidence the publicly playable demo has ever been different between events? I don't mean like placebo "this felt different" stuff but like some distinctly observable mechanics that are clearly one way at one event and different at another? If so I'd be very interested in the list; that would be great data stuff.

That kill with the cannonball is hilarious, but did anyone really come off that thinking anything but "you know this special really looks pretty bad"? I kinda like some of K.Rool's normals, as plain of a character as he looks like he'll probably be, but man his projectiles are just really uninspiring with what we've seen so far and they grow less inspiring to me the more times I watch them in action.

 

[Will]

Something else, I haven't seen anybody else mention it or maybe it was mentioned elsewhere and earlier and I didn't see it because I wasn't here:

Xander's "...wins!" is entirely removed from both footage. It just says the character's name now.

 

[blazefan519]

They tend not to give a lot of rule controls to people playing a demo on a show floor.

That is true but some have changed up the options, like letting some of the competitive players play 5:00 minute 3 stock at CEO.

Something else, I haven't seen anybody else mention it or maybe it was mentioned elsewhere and earlier and I didn't see it because I wasn't here:

Xander's "...wins!" is entirely removed from both footage. It just says the character's name now.

That is something that I noticed, which is odd.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Not entirely on board with either Dante or Heihachi considering they were in PSASBR. I would rather see other characters not related to that crossover series.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Just for future reference, is today's update supposed to be the day we normally get music on the website?

 

[KingBroly]

dantes inclusion from capcom perspective makes sense. classic capcom in MegaMan modern capcom in dante (could also be monster hunter).
plus dante vs. bayonetta is something many people have wanted to have in one game for a long time. Bayonetta and dante are believed to be in the same universe and they have the same creator. smash is a game about making dream matchups happen that is a dream matchup.

So...can we get Heihachi and Scorpion, too?

That'd be funny

 

[Deleted member]

Something else, I haven't seen anybody else mention it or maybe it was mentioned elsewhere and earlier and I didn't see it because I wasn't here:

Xander's "...wins!" is entirely removed from both footage. It just says the character's name now.

I'm not sure what the deal is with that. Nothing about that makes sense. I wasn't a fan of the "...wins!" but just calling the character name is worse. I'm sure it'll be fixed, but why would they leave it like that when recording gameplay?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Jagi is as edgy as it gets

The most "nothing personal, kid" character ever, accept no substitutes.

That said, I'm looking forward to FOTNS: Lost Paradise.

Do we actually have concrete evidence the publicly playable demo has ever been different between events? I don't mean like placebo "this felt different" stuff but like some distinctly observable mechanics that are clearly one way at one event and different at another? If so I'd be very interested in the list; that would be great data stuff.

That kill with the cannonball is hilarious, but did anyone really come off that thinking anything but "you know this special really looks pretty bad"? I kinda like some of K.Rool's normals, as plain of a character as he looks like he'll probably be, but man his projectiles are just really uninspiring with what we've seen so far and they grow less inspiring to me the more times I watch them in action.

To be fair, giving him the more threatening blunderbuss projectiles would make him broken beyond belief.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Do we actually have concrete evidence the publicly playable demo has ever been different between events? I don't mean like placebo "this felt different" stuff but like some distinctly observable mechanics that are clearly one way at one event and different at another? If so I'd be very interested in the list; that would be great data stuff.

That kill with the cannonball is hilarious, but did anyone really come off that thinking anything but "you know this special really looks pretty bad"? I kinda like some of K.Rool's normals, as plain of a character as he looks like he'll probably be, but man his projectiles are just really uninspiring with what we've seen so far and they grow less inspiring to me the more times I watch them in action.

Yes, we actually have. Only the CEO demo at least.

Not entirely on board with either Dante or Heihachi considering they were in PSASBR. I would rather see other characters not related to that crossover series.

I'm okay w/ it

 

[BluePikmin11]

Apparently, from what my friends at the Source Gaming Discord, the only thing about the Dante leak that makes it sketchy is that dmcv info was basically the worst kept secret in gaming for a while.

 

[Will]

I'm not sure what the deal is with that. Nothing about that makes sense. I wasn't a fan of the "...wins!" but just calling the character name is worse. I'm sure it'll be fixed, but why would they leave it like that when recording gameplay?

I don't know.
Maybe Sakurai knew that people didn't like it and instead of putting in the already prerecorded "The winner is" people were familiar with, he thought it'd be far better to just remove it all?

 

[Roberto zampari]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Yes, we actually have. Only the CEO demo at least.


I'm okay w/ it

That’s cool. I wouldn’t be devastated if they were no included. I am just worried that there would be comparisons made of the two between the two games. I don’t think sakurai would recycle the PSASBR (god I hated the name) movesets for them but that’s one of my big worries that they would be a bit too similar.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

Delicious. Finally, a good freaking echo idea

 

[blazefan519]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

Well considering I know nothing about FF. I would feel pretty indifferent tbh.

 

[Zinith]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

Isn't it the other way around?

 

[Will]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

We had to sacrifice Geno to make Zack playable. Please understand.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

I’ll see that and raise you an Ichigo Kurosaki as an echo fighter for Cloud.

 

[RandomAce]

Do we actually have concrete evidence the publicly playable demo has ever been different between events? I don't mean like placebo "this felt different" stuff but like some distinctly observable mechanics that are clearly one way at one event and different at another? If so I'd be very interested in the list; that would be great data stuff.

That kill with the cannonball is hilarious, but did anyone really come off that thinking anything but "you know this special really looks pretty bad"? I kinda like some of K.Rool's normals, as plain of a character as he looks like he'll probably be, but man his projectiles are just really uninspiring with what we've seen so far and they grow less inspiring to me the more times I watch them in action.

Honestly, they sort of do feel uninspiring. But, King K. Rool doesn’t really look that cool when you compared him to a couple of other characters and what they can do. That’s why I didn’t support him.

Anyways, the reason there isn’t much discussion about the footage is that there really isn’t that much information to get off from.

Chrom’s are obvious and his moveset is Roy’s but with a lot more spacing involved (I’ll still play Roy), Dark Samus barely did anything, King K. Rool was literally using Snake as a punching bag. It’s clear the new chracaters (and Lucina) we’re supposed to win and was just a little snippet of what to come.

 

[Idon]

Isn't it the other way around?

ssh, you'll spoil people who haven't played a 20 year old iconic game.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Something else, I haven't seen anybody else mention it or maybe it was mentioned elsewhere and earlier and I didn't see it because I wasn't here:

Xander's "...wins!" is entirely removed from both footage. It just says the character's name now.

Yeah I noticed that this morning. It still feels weird to not have "This game's winner is...", but I feel like the "...wins!" being removed and just saying their name is a good choice.

 

[Zinith]

ssh, you'll spoil people who haven't played a 20 year old iconic game.

Technically Zack himself is a spoiler...

 

[Will]

ssh, you'll spoil people who haven't played a 20 year old iconic game.

I haven't played FFVII but isn't that like Hour One knowledge?

 

[StormC]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

This is legitimately the only echo fighter I would be excited about.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Isn't it the other way around?

Same for Simon and Richter.

I could see Zack as a Cloud Echo on one condition, Square only adding new stuff that gets them a cut of the amiibo money.

 

[Zinith]

I haven't played FFVII but isn't that like Hour One knowledge?

Hour One....... of Disc 2

 

[Roberto zampari]

We had to sacrifice Geno to make Zack playable. Please understand.

What do you mean with this?

I’ll see that and raise you an Ichigo Kurosaki as an echo fighter for Cloud.

What? WAT?

 

[Wambo]

Jagi is as edgy as it gets

He actually looks kind of cool. Makes Krieg from Boringlands look like a rip-off character.

 

[StormC]

I haven't played FFVII but isn't that like Hour One knowledge?

More like 25 hour. Technically if you never return to a sidequest, you will never see the cutscene showing Zack. But it's a solid 2/3 through the game.

Also, Smash has never given a **** about spoilers.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I haven't played FFVII but isn't that like Hour One knowledge?

No but he is the protag of the only game in the expanded FF7 universe that people don't hate so I don't think it's that well kept a secret.

 

[Rikka]

I haven't played FFVII but isn't that like Hour One knowledge?

No. There's an optional chance to learn about him about midway through disc one, but the whole deal with him is a late game spoiler. That being said, I wouldn't call his entire identity a spoiler. The sword would raise from questions, I suppose.

 

[KMDP]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

Zack Fair...

YES!

 

[Wambo]

What do you think about this:

ZACK FAIR AS AN ECHO FIGHTER OF CLOUD STRIFE

Not gonna lie, I'd be down for this. I can see him as Echo DLC though, since it'd be easier to handle third-party payments that way.

 

[RandomAce]

Just for future reference, is today's update supposed to be the day we normally get music on the website?

Oh yeah... although I think it’s later in the day.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh yeah... although I think it’s later in the day.

Yeah, in an hour and a half usually.

 

[Rikka]

Speaking of Cloud, as anything been said about why they aren't getting his english VA in on this?