Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh hush, that wasn't me throwing shade at Yoshi, I had several points where I put him in, but then had a different idea for the character he was fighting. :V

I know you're kidding, but sheeeesh.

To be fair, he's getting tired of seeing Yoshi get the short end of the stick.

That menu leak looks very fake, and even if it's real, meh, it's just a menu lmao.

Tell that to the people trying to navigate through the Smash 4 menu.

 

[KMDP]

Back when the Imgur Leak was alive and prominent, I always thought Samurai Goroh was its least believable character on it; not Medusa, not Sora, not Porky in a Spider Mech, not Geno and Mallow team, Goroh was the one character who I couldn't fathom on how he could possibly make the roster.

You said "Goroh" twice in that sentence and I still almost saw the second one as "Goron".

...

Goron for Smash.

No, not Darunia, not Darmani, not Goron Link, not even Daruk. A regular Goron.
I'm joking.

 

[Pyra]

You said "Goroh" twice in that sentence and I still almost saw the second one as "Goron".

...

Goron for Smash.

No, not Darunia, not Darmani, not Goron Link, not even Daruk. A regular Goron.
I'm joking.

Biggoron AT would be badass though

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I mean, it is technically quick and straight to the point, just not for immediately killing. It also allows Daisy to copy it by changing the sleep to flowerhead. They will probably change it to something more powerful though.

By "quick and straight to the point" it means the final smash goes straight to its effect and then everyone can resume fighting normally again immediately with minimal disruption to the fight; from putting people to sleep it contradicts this as once the final smash completes everyone is left sleeping and thus without any control for a long time.

Well to be fair, I said Lyn and Krystal were my wake up call, not anyone else's, except probably other supporters of Lyn and Krystal. Also considering that Lyn is one of if not the most popular FE character, and Krystal would mean a new Star Fox rep other than Wolf, I won't call them unlikely.

Of course, there are people that had other characters they wanted but ended up as Assist Trophies(Bomberman, Midna), or characters that were Assist Trophies, but are now in a state of MIA, and uncertainty, and we don't know what might happen to them. As well as a character newcomer Sakurai wanted to implement into the game as a newcomer; Takamaru, but ultimately ended up as an Assist Trophy.

Lyn's popularity didn't became known until very recently, far after Ultimate's project plan was devised, so her recent breakout couldn't have mattered for the roster without having clone potential, while there was the FE overrepresentation issue that made it questionable if Sakurai would even include a new FE character, so I don't see how Lyn could have been considered anything but very unlikely. As for Krystal, Wolf was always going to be prioritized over her and Star Fox wasn't doing so great to make anything more than Wolf likely, while Krystal's popularity is still far from her Brawl peak in her post-Brawl slump, so I also can't see how she could have been considered likely unless one believes Sakurai would have suddenly been very enthralled with her moveset potential.

As for Takamaru, Sakurai never said he wanted to include him, he just said he thought about having him playable in Smash 4 "just for a moment" before dismissing him over concerns of his popularity, so we really have no nonplayable characters besides the currently unknown Geno that Sakurai outright said he wanted to include before.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Can't really blame them for that, heh.

Who would

 

[KMDP]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

Well, that menu is way better than Smash 4's, at least.

Biggoron AT would be badass though

He rises up ("Owwwwwww....") and does nothing. It's a useless AT on any stage except on Midgar (where being able to see the background allows you to see Bahamut Zero's laser).

 

[Zinith]

He rises up ("Owwwwwww....") and does nothing. It's a useless AT on any stage except Midgar (where being able to see the background allows you to see Bahamut Zero's laser.

It's pre-Eye Drops Biggoron I presume...

 

[Mc.Rad]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

Yeah, also Sakurai has a very specific style of menus that he never stays away from. Just compare very game he's headed
The all got simular menus

 

[viewtifulduck82]

The menu doesn't look obviously fake. People just have the knee jerk reaction to say anything is fake to shield themselves from being disappointed lol.
I'm not saying real, but even when we do get the real leaks, this will inevitably happen. You need to judge with reason instead of just deciding with no thought lol

 

[blazefan519]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

Wow already looks better than Smash 4's kek. Would be nice if this would be how it looked final game

 

[CaptainAmerica]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

...

Uhh...

No. That is a terrible menu. Ugh, Sm4sh’s is less of an eyesore.

 

[Fenriraga]

Honestly, if that "Menu Leak" Was somehow playing a clean, soundless version of the demo's menu theme, I would be inclined to believe it.

But playing a battle rendition of the SMB theme from Mushroom Kingdom U? Yeah, no.

Also why the hell would Smash be below Story, Options, Amiibo, etc? That's absurd. Along with the timer being visible in all the "demo reel" footage.

 

[KMDP]

It's pre-Eye Drops Biggoron I presume...

Sure, let's go with that.

Biggoron: "Ohhhhhh, my eeeeeyyyyyeeeees.... I neeeeeeeed myyyyyyy eeeeeyyeeedrooooopsssss."
Megalaser: KRZRZRZRZRZ-
Robin: "Guys, do you hear something?
Cloud: *runs*
Pit: "I wonder where he's running off to?"
Boom, everyone dies.

 

[Pyra]

The menu doesn't look obviously fake. People just have the knee jerk reaction to say anything is fake to shield themselves from being disappointed lol.
I'm not saying real, but even when we do get the real leaks, this will inevitably happen. You need to judge with reason instead of just deciding with no thought lol

Well, I don't know if that was directed to me feeling jank about it, but I was talking about the tweening and timing of the entire animation being weird.

Source: I do motion graphics.

 

[KMDP]

Honestly, if that "Menu Leak" Was somehow playing a clean, soundless version of the demo's menu theme, I would be inclined to believe it.

But playing a battle rendition of the SMB theme from Mushroom Kingdom U? Yeah, no.

Also why the hell would Smash be below Story, Options, Amiibo, etc? That's absurd.

Well, in Brawl and Smash 4 Wii U you could use My Music to force the menu to play non-menu songs until you went into something that played it's own music... >_>

 

[boysilver400]

That menu looks.... interesting, to say the least.

Part of me hopes it's real because I do want a story mode.

But the other part of me is doubtful since it honestly seems absurd for "Smash" not to be at the top of the menu.

 

[Zem-raj]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

Looks like they've used the Serpentine font. The Metroid series logo uses a modified version of it.
I doubt they'd pick this font, they tend to use a simpler font.

 

[Pyra]

Part of me hopes it's real because I do want a story mode.

Thats my favorite part of it.

The rest of the menu looks like someone's taking Smash Bros's new "minimalist" visual direction a bit too strongly

 

[TMNTSSB4]

View attachment 155127

Here's a screenshot of the menu-
The whole animation was kinda janky to me but it looks decently cool anyway *shrug*

This looks pretty good

 

[KMDP]

Really, the order should be:

Smash​

Online​

Events (if it means "Online Events", though why that would be on the main menu and not as a Sub-Menu idk)​

Story​

Events (if it means "Event Smash")​

Vault​

Amiibo​

Profile​

Options​

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Well, I don't know if that was directed to me feeling jank about it, but I was talking about the tweening and timing of the entire animation being weird.

Source: I do motion graphics.

It wasn't. It's just something that happens consistently in here, every single smash cycle lol

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I like the clean and simple look of that menu.

It's not something Sakurai's wife would typically design though.

 

[vaanrose]

That font is disgusting, lol.

 

[KMDP]

Really, the order should be:

Smash​

Online​

Events (if it means "Online Events", though why that would be on the main menu and not as a Sub-Menu idk)​

Story​

Events (if it means "Event Smash")​

Vault​

Amiibo​

Profile​

Options​

To extend on this, even this order bugs me.
It should look more like:

Smash​

Smash​

8-Player Smash​

Special Smash​

Tournament Smash​

Smash Tour​

Fortune Smash! (a man can dream)​

Online​

Online Smash​

Ranked Smash​

Notice Board​

Connect to E-Shop...​

Single Player​

Classic Mode​

Story Mode​

All-Star Mode​

Event Smash​

Orders Mode​

Stadium​

Training​

Vault​

Trophies​

Stage Builder​

In-Game Shop​

Achievements​

Options​

Amiibo​

 

[SonicMario]

I have noticed the Switch itself as well as many Switch games seem to have very minimalist menu screens. So I actually could maybe see Smash Ultimate having at least a similar menu to what's in that video.

Who knows though especially if Sakurai's wife is again given the task of designing the menu.

I personally didn't hate Smash 4's menu that much. I could get where I wanted to be even if it's a tad more confusing then in previous entries of the series. I could see them bringing back the menu to a more Melee or even SSB64 style though just to add to the nostalgia this game surely will be about with every character back and it releasing close to the 20th year of the franchise's existence.

 

[Opossum]

The thing that gives the menu away as fake is that amiibo is capitalized. Nintendo never capitalizes it.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I have noticed the Switch itself as well as many Switch games seem to have very minimalist menu screens. So I actually could maybe see Smash Ultimate having at least a similar menu to what's in that video.

Who knows though especially if Sakurai's wife is again given the task of designing the menu.

I personally didn't hate Smash 4's menu that much. I could get where I wanted to be even if it's a tad more confusing then in previous entries of the series. I could see them bringing back the menu to a more Melee or even SSB64 style though just to add to the nostalgia this game surely will be about with every character back and it releasing close to the 20th year of the franchise's existence.

If she is, then I bet she wouldn't go that way of minimalism because she has stuck with a simular Aesthetic for so long...

But a Menu like that guy showed off could be possible if it's another person... but I don't really like smash being minimalist... espically since the menus now look so Smash-4 ish... It kinda bugs me. The menus need more of their own identity

 

[blackghost]

after finally getting to watch the UK Invitational i had some thoughts
'1. ice climbers will be fine. their gameplay will center more on desyncs than a stupid one grab kill, they will be technical and will take time to develop but will be fine long term.
2. ridely will be the best big body by a large margin unless ddd got major improvements.
3. marth, link, and ike are that good. dont want to go into detail but those kits are significantly improved by system mechanics and buffs

4. bayonetta:

ok this is complicated. I am seeing her remain in top tier. i just wanted to say that first however she will lose at LEAST 50 to 60 percent of her playerbase. The reason for this is the skill floor to play her is going way up due to nerfs and system changes.
For her nerfs to witch time, abk, BA, and witch twist all three heavily neuter her nuetral. i got to see her in a match agianst a pretty good marth she had to fish hard. witch twist being smaller and abk not having a second hit on shield means its REALLY bad in nuetral (not that it was ever good) but its an even easier punish.
system changes
the biggest singular change is the air dodge. bayonetta players will have to know how to chase and punish an airdodge and that skill will not be easy to learn or apply. mid and low level players will be able to escape combos with directional airdodge even if they still have no idea how to sdi or di her correctly. meaning at high level players will excel (outside of big bodies) with escaping combos. due to the increased difficulty to establish offense bayonetta players will fish for kills with a buffed fsmash or her go to bair. Ive loked for footage online and i have not found another video of bayonetta landing anything that looked like what plup got hit by. People using this as an example that shes still broken are not using a good example as of right now that combo was either ridely only or entirely on plup not pressing airdodge at all since there is not sdi in the current build.

second change is moves staling on shield. bayonetta cannot fish with bair on a kill percent opponent. when hitting shield bayo cannot afford to stale her singular normal that kills. Doing so may give her shiek's disease.

the character did receive some buffs her witch time is an actual AoE now and she can witch time a projectile properly and deflect it as in her games.
wich time overall utility and time slowed has decreased heavily.no more creative combos just smash attack more than likely. the other buff is to fsmash it comes out a little faster and the last buff ive seen is dabk on shield and she keeps both abk.

overall shes not bad but i expect her to not be dominant with potentially bad mu with popular characters snake, marth, and Pikachu she may not get results for a while until shes labbed out. but i have no doubt she'll be winning again the game mechanics favor her being so offensive and parry is something shes literally built to do already.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Wait, by that image delaying Brawl by two months meant they added Sonic, Toon Link and Wolf.

I could take a delay to Ultimate for three bonus characters.

That isn't how it worked. Toon Link and Wolf weren't late additions that's a misconception, they were always planned characters; they alongside Jigglypuff were just designated low priority characters among some other unknown characters (likely most if not all of the Forbidden Seven) that weren't seen as essential for inclusion, and thus would have been cut if developmental demands forced it (which is why they were kept out of the SSE and are the final characters unlocked).

Then Sonic wasn't added in two months, just his mid-development addition strained the existing developmental resources enough to push back the planned deadline by a couple months. Also from Sakurai's words a new Smash character takes over a year to create, delaying the game a few months doesn't mean you get to add a bunch more characters.

 

[Opossum]

Also I'm predicting we'll get a Donkey Kong or EarthBound song tonight.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Spoiler: Rant with big pic

Like look at how simular Smash Ultimate is with Smash 4, I totally bet there's going to be a simular looking menu. You may have to suffer through Smash 4 again. I'm sorry. But honestly this disappointed me the most.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Posted a Session early so disregard this while I finish it.

 

[TsunamiSnivles]

If 10 more, I guess...

I'm always prioritizing 1st party series that have no reps. In this case, I'd add Sin & Punishment, Pushmo, The Wonderful 101, Advance Wars, Chibi Robo, and Arms. I made an exception for Rex & Blades because the moveset potential intrigues the mess out of me. Then there are the 3rd party choices. Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden) and Belmont (Castlevania). Those are undeniably iconic series that were popularized on Nintendo's systems before Sony and MS entered the scene. I'd want Bond in (was my ballot choice) because Goldeneye 64 is also HUGE Nintendo history.

I reeeally want more outta advance wars

 

[Mc.Rad]

Also I'm predicting we'll get a Donkey Kong or EarthBound song tonight.

I'm going to be contradictory because I want to and say that it's the Mario 3 Bowser music remix that was in his trailer

 

[John Dylan Smith]

Really, the order should be:

Smash​

Online​

Events (if it means "Online Events", though why that would be on the main menu and not as a Sub-Menu idk)​

Story​

Events (if it means "Event Smash")​

Vault​

Amiibo​

Profile​

Options​

Considering the loz18 leak (I do hope he's truly correct once again) said that we would be getting some new modes shown in a August Direct! I would be generally surprised if one of modes shown off was a new story mode for the game!

 

[Opossum]

I'm going to be contradictory because I want to and say that it's the Mario 3 Bowser music remix that was in his trailer

Hey I wouldn't mind at all. I love Super Mario Bros. 3.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Spoiler: Rant with big pic

Like look at how simular Smash Ultimate is with Smash 4, I totally bet there's going to be a simular looking menu. You may have to suffer through Smash 4 again. I'm sorry. But honestly this disappointed me the most.

This isn’t gonna disappoint me one bit, but I want a moveable background

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Hey, the Fake Smash Ball is finally up for me!

I wonder if the delay was to get the dates the same - Japan always had it listed as the 31st.

No new music yet

 

[Pyra]

This isn’t gonna disappoint me one bit, but I want a moveable background

If I can't move the CSS around with the C stick why bother making another Smash game?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

The Blog still hasn’t updated and there was that rumor going around about how Game & Watch’s trailer would be revealed today, and it would have solidified Simon and Isabelle in Smash.

Any update on that?