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  • I don’t think I’ve been in a consistently good mood since the end of August
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    Trying to be competitive while constantly maining a low tier will quite often make you unhappy.
    Haven’t you tried avoiding the CCI thread?
    Honestly, instead of whining **** about your main, try to adjust to the current meta.

    Complaining about bs you don't like isn't going to solve your problem. I'm just recently becoming a dedicated Marth/Lucina main but Sheik has been a character I liked a lot. And when I knew she was low tier in Ultimate? I stuck with her in friendly matches. I didn't complain or anything, but to me, this behavior is getting pretty toxic.

    You're reminding me of LowTierGod. No seriously.
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    I keep saying, if you want to get better, Quickplay is never the answer. Characters Discord’s, on the other hand, you meet likeminded people with roughly the same goals. Quickplay is for when it’s 4 am and you have nothin better to do with your life (aka literally me).

    Have you been going to locals? Do your best at trying to get there. It’s far better to lose when it’s your complete responsibility and no other factor, like lag.
    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    I’ve wanted to go to locals for a while now but my closest weekly is on a Monday and it’s a school night.
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    Competitive smash is not for the stressed life. loads of homework/tests/exams while also dealing with issues outside school, as well as navigating social stuff. Use Smash as the cure to your stress, not as the “forced alleviation”.
    You have locals at your school? Great! Try communicating with people interested. Expect to be 0-2’ed, never set any expectations. Expectations forsee disappointment, letting the crummy mindset flow through you.
    If you know who hadn’t retired I feel like Snake would still be considered top 5.

    He still needs to be gutted. The only character I can see being realistically better than him is Joker.
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    Who.
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    Snake has surprisingly dumb frame data for a character of his kind (a heavyweight zoner). His average move is like Frame 5-6, and there's absolutely no reason he should have a Frame 3 Dair (that's a Frame 6 OoS, same as Yoshi & Mario Nairs). Couple all this with two Frame 1 grenades that explode on contact.

    This isn't even a complaint as much as an observation.
    Frame 3 sex kicks should be deleted from the game.

    I’m not joking. Who thought that it was a good idea to give that **** to Mario and Yoshi who have great air speed and Mario has combos and Luigi, who has a 0 to death?
    Why don’t more people complain about Mario

    He’s definitely top 10.

    And better than Pikachu
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    Oz o:
    Complaining about a character isn't always synonym of them being good.
    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    Mario is actually good though.
    Snakes dair ****ing tripped me at like 110%

    Why can’t kirbys down tilt trip past 100?????

    This ****ing game man
    I'd join a character cord but i've been going back and forth between mains since the game's birth and i still am.

    atm I'm considering learning Joker since he's the best in the game(No its NOT pikachu stfu) but he's one of the more difficult characters and he lowkey needs nerfs

    ...but if i can't beat him, i might as well main him, right?
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    I feel Pikachu is ultimately better when you're perfect, and not even like Sheik-level perfect. He's the character with the least weaknesses, and that's what basically what seems to be the name of the game, for Ultimate. Joker still has weaknesses, like somewhat of an exploitable recovery (which people aren't fully catching on to), and it's not like he has Sheik frame data (as some people make it seem he does).

    Pikachu's harder to use because he doesn't have an Arsene to make kills as easy, but he has a far better OoS game, recovery, loops, arguably better projectile. The only reason he's not broken is because he can ocassionally have trouble killing.
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    Or.....Just stop trying to play competitively and play casually. If you really want to play competitively just accept that jank will happen, even at 0%. Roy CAN die at 0% because of his subpar recovery. Play a character you enjoy.
    JOIN A CHARACTER DISCORD. People there are here to help you. Every pro was once an amateur.

    If you don’t like anybody in the game, don’t play it at all. Pick up something like tennis or Go. These things are more productive and intuitive than Smash.
    Is it just me or are too smash players being especially stupid today
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    No matter how good a player is, even someone like MKLeo, M2K, or someone like Nairo will always have something they don’t know.
    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    This was referring to the video ESAM did on Kirby and especially on Leffens dumb tirade yesterday because he got 0 to deathed by Mr. R
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    Well, duh, ESAM of course is going to spread misinformation about Kirby.
    He knows literally nothing about him, likely google searched about his buffs for 5 minutes. He’s doing this clearly for video content. It’s clickbait.
    Youtube comments are about as reliable as the weather.
    My character crisis is back
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    yeah competitive Smash is horse**** don't even bother
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    Get better for yourself. Enjoy that process and make compilation videos of your plays.
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    Trying to be a competitive star is not for stressed lives. As you are a senior, focus on your personal life before Smash.

    “Cheap” stuff will happen. Get used to it, it had happened millions of times at all levels of play. You will not get a perfect character in Smash. Nothing in this world is free.
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    I’m so ****ing tired if tier lists

    Why are so many of them so ****ing bad when the games been out for a year
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    1. Messy competitive analysis. There's more characters, so there's bound to be content that's messed up. Bias clouds up judgement
    2. Content creation. A lot of newer players heading in will look at tier lists for success. The end result is gaining 0.1% of actual knowledge on characters from them.
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    Tier lists are a mistake.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    I prefer the tier lists that aren't for competitive viability at all, but for various and sundry topics like character size, taunt quality, the ability to solve a Rubix cube, and how similar someone is to Marth.
    smash twitter is so damn toxic on god
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    Oz o:
    I deleted my Twitter ages ago. I don't follow Smash drama, so I never know what's up unless people tell me.
    It's just trendy. Even the video uploading system sucks, and I don't know why people don't just use Youtube instead.
    GhostM
    GhostM
    Twitter is pretty much the app for drama, so of course the toxicity levels are going to be high. I usually stumble across posts that instigate drama in the smash community, but I usually just avoid it. Sometimes curiosity gets the best of me and I end up regretting it later.

    It’s not even Smash drama that Twitter is applied to, it’s with everyone including YouTubers and controversial figures. I tend to avoid many of these posts since sometimes people make assumptions off the bat.
    I know results don’t mean everything, but I feel like people don’t put enough thought into the results characters achieve. There’s literally a debate on twitter about how Robins still bad despite Juul beating better players in THE best region in the world and getting top 24 at Shine. Surely that should say something about Robin, right?

    Nope. She’s still bad because...she’s slow? I’m not about to claim she’s high tier or anything but cmon now. She’s not like bottom 5 like ESAM and others claim.

    There’s also the Pikachu hysteria that’s
    been going on since forever now. Everyone says he’s top 3 if not #1 in the game despite not even being in top 20 in Orion stats. You could argue it’s because he’s difficult to use, but Greninja and Snake have more results than him and are just as difficult, and their best players are worse than ESAM. Pikachu is definitely the most overrated character imo.

    And then there’s Bowser jr, and honestly...I’m convinced that some people don’t even watch tournaments because people still put him in bottom tier like it’s month 1 lmao. Bowser jr got too 8 in Albion 4 with Young Eevey, the same player got top 32 in Glitch, Monty got top 32 in Big House, and he’s doing better in results than characters that many claim are mid tier. And people still put Ganon higher than him lol

    Again, I’m not saying results are the end all be all of everything, but we need to take them into consideration more than I’ve actually seen people do lately.
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    StoicPhantom
    Once people establish a narrative, they refuse to let go of it, even if objective evidence shows otherwise. Merely mentioning Robin wasn't low tier in the Character Impressions thread got me dogpiled on. Then a few weeks later Juul got 17th at a super major and nothing was really said. This has been consistent with other things I've said in there and elsewhere and each time I've been dogpiled on and vindicated sometime later.

    It's made me realize that there's little point in discussing character viability, because people refuse to be objective and let their egos get in the way. I haven't bothered setting foot in there since or really discussing tier lists and have just focused on the game. It's made (Smash) life much better.
    I deleted my rant but I really need advice on how to fight Snake without running into his C4s.
    Oz o:
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    Never regret the rant.
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    Join the Kirbycords! :D
    A level 9 Snake CPU almost made me throw my controller
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    Doing absolutely nothing as Luigi is the best way how you win of course.
    Hot take, Quickplay>Online tournaments
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    Hot take, Analysis>Online>Quickplay
    what the **** even is the point of me doing anything I do i might as well just lock myself in my room forever and never come out
    Why do people defend Ult online it sucks. You fight the lag more than you fight your opponent and you already have to fight the ****ty buffer system

    This especially pisses me off since it’s my only way of practice and it make feel stagnant and want to throw my controller
    Kirby’s (probably) not the worst in the game anymore but he’s still kinda bad tbh. The buffs helped with his struggle to kill, but he still isn’t good with approaching, stone still doesn’t work correctly on shield, down tilt barely trips(seriously I still think the move should have a 50/50 trip chance) and they didn’t help with many of his bad MUs.

    :(
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    I've never believed Kirby to be the worst in Ultimate. I still believe Mac will always be the worst due to fundamentally flawed character design. Though I don't agree on 50/50 trip chance as that's just a bit too good for any character to have that high of a trip chance. As for bad match ups, not many things for any character will change their bad match ups. Not without significant changes to the characters involved. Sadly not how balancing works in general. It can HELP the match ups a little but rarely will it sway match ups considerably.
    Lesley Black Velvet
    Lesley Black Velvet
    Mac's design hurt him so much not even a full rework could save him tbh.
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    Actually, now that he can fight on platforms against half the cast, Seagull Joe now claims Kirby +1’s Palutena rather than go even/slightly win.
    I firmly believe any -1/-2 matchups turned to -0.8/-1.8 - the buffs really help even though the core of issues are still there. He’s much better, definitely not the absolute worst in the game and I believe him to be the absolute best low tier or absolute worst mid tier. He has relevant matchups and a good number of his “bad matchups” probably aren’t that awful (Wolf, Greninja, Wario are likely -1). Also I think we counter Terry lol.

    Even if stone were to be buffed, outside of extreme reads and edgeguarding it wouldn’t be much because of its high startup/endlag. His only problem with approaching is against spam-happy people/Game and Watch (Link, Snake, Samus) and swordies aren’t that bad since they don’t have anything to zone him out with (which is why Brother Quang beat Mr E 2-1 all Kirby).
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    So...
    How’s Roy coming along? Doing better with him than Kirby?
    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    I’m still working on it. I actually got onto DKwill’s stream once for viewer battles and he gave me decent advice.

    I’ll probably keep Kirby in my back pocket in case he gets buffs
    Patch 6.0 wishes:

    Kirby buffs and fixes, Jigglypuff rest buff, rockcrocking removed, Kirby buffs, Snake nerfs, Waft, Flip Kick, Palu Nair, Arsene/Rebels guard getting toned down. Kirby buffs, any move that doesn’t work to get fixed, shields getting fixed, and....oh yeah, BUFF KIRBY PLEASE.

    What I think will actually happen:

    Kirby down tilt gets nerfed and he gets nothing else, Little Mac gets a run speed nerf, Palu down tilt buff while her nair is untouched Pikachu nair gets buffed for no reason, Flip Kick gets untouched, Snake gets an air speed buff because “hIs dISaDvANtAgE iS bAD”, Inkling gets more KBG on Up air because “sHE cAn”T kILl”, Dedede’s Dash attack gets nerfed, and Olimar’s sheild will become even smaller.
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    I thought you took a break from Ultimate
    No seriously, I think it's wearing you down
    Don't think about the competitive Kirby, think of Kirby outside of Smash
    Not the low-tier puffball, but a someone when you can vent your thoughts. Where you can share happiness together.

    Seriously the competitive side has influenced you too much so take a break from it, don't think too much on this stuff
    Lesley Black Velvet
    Lesley Black Velvet
    If you're going about ******** why your main is not so good, why not try something else? Or try another character?

    I "main" Sheik in Ultimate but I rarely bust her out in competitive matches. Even if my style syncs with the character, this isn't her game, so I stayed true to my swordies.
    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    I don’t main Kirby anymore but I still wish he was good.

    I main Roy now but I’m not perfect with him
    There really is no character in ult that has everything I want
    Kirby is terrible
    Robs disadvantage is too bad
    Chorys and Wolfs recovery is awful
    Palu is too flowchart for me
    Mario doesn’t have enough range
    I really just don’t like Lucina
    Snake, Peach, Fox and Joker have too high skill caps

    I have no one to run to.

    This game ****ing sucks
    Can we add Bayo to the list of worst designed characters
    Silvera
    Silvera
    No.
    psb123
    psb123
    I hope you're talking about how she's designed as a Smash character because in general, Bayonetta's design is freaking awesome.
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    boysilver400
    boysilver400
    I mostly said this because I was and still am tight after losing to one earlier but I feel you just have to play so campy against her, even with her strings not being as good, although the Bayo I played against in an arena made her seem like she was still top tier. And I really don’t like having to camp.
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    I’m genuinely considering deleting ultimate until Kirby gets fixed and buffed. I keep losing. Nothing I’m doing is working, this game is eating up my psyche, and it’s just a distraction when I could and should be doing better things. I will never improve until Kirby gets better. I’m hopeless trash.
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    Brawl and 64 are still fun
    SSF2 are also fun.
    Ultimate is stressing you too much. Delete it and don’t come back from it for a month.

    Try avoiding anything smash-related in that period of time.

    Casual play > competitive play. Competitive aspects make things less fun. Tournaments are just one piece of pepperoni to the entire pizza of Smash Bros. WoL is a blast. Home run contest. Stage builder. All fun.

    Maybe try SSF2? It’s really fun and online play is really fun
    Kirby’s down tilt should have a higher trip chance

    I don’t care how stupid this buff request sounds. This move almost never trips when I used it. I always had to spam it like 3-4 times and it still wouldn’t trip.
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