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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Out of curiousity, how many of you had Ridley, Daisy, and/or Inklings in your prediction rosters prior to their reveal?
I wasn't hanging around the English Smash communities before E3 so I didn't consider Ridley in the slightest.

I also didn't expect Daisy but that's at least in part because I didn't consider clones.

Inklings, no question, they were in.
 

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Fair points. What are your thoughts on 3rd party echo fighters then? If what you say is true, then that may bode well for 3rd party echoes, but i’m still of the belief they aren’t as likely as some believe they are.
I've stated my opinion on echoes several times. They'll be popular characters, not just characters that "work." And to that end, Shadow's the only third party that has any chance, imo, even considering the existence of characters like Zack or Ken or Ms Pac Man or whoever.
 

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Possibly yes, but we don't know what else they're doing with game modes and stuff either
I would be cautious about other modes possibly making an impact, but I don't think there will be a mode that will delay the game by months like Subspace. In Shadow's case, I don't think he will face any problems in the event of a dilemma. I think Shadow would be higher priority in echo development with his sheer popularity that is as notable but easy to dismiss as Daisy.
 

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To everyone, which character would you like to see being revealed next?

Personally I would like Simon Belmont to be unveiled next just to end the Vergeben leak speculation.
Springman, a Champion, Dusk Lycanroc, or any other character who debuted after development began. I just wanna see Smash speculation blow up into flames because no one knows what to believe anymore.

Well, moreso than it does on a normal day anyway. :p
 

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I've stated my opinion on echoes several times. They'll be popular characters, not just characters that "work." And to that end, Shadow's the only third party that has any chance, imo, even considering the existence of characters like Zack or Ken or Ms Pac Man or whoever.
I'm not even convinced Shadow qualifies, but what do I know.

To me, 3rd parties should be wholly unique entries, or not characters at all. I'm a Nintendo-elitist when it comes to this roster.
 

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That could explain one of the reasons why Mewtwo wasn't in the base game for Smash 4. After all, he was shown a month after the 3DS was released in Japan and a month before the Wii U came out.
He was shown unfinished. And different programmers have different jobs; once a game gets to the polishing stage or goes gold, the guys who specialize in creating base animations or textures are either moved to another game, let go, or given DLC to work on. Even though the game hadn't gone gold yet, I don't think Mewtwo was considered for the final roster so much as considered early on for the first DLC.
 

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No, none of these exaggerated answers are it at all.

The poll was made before E3, and many people just didn’t change their votes afterwards.

And even if we’re getting DLC, a bet it will definitely surpass 13.
It isn't exaggerated at all. People do this. It is one of the many things a few courses in Psychology will teach you. I've also personally seen it multiple times in and out of this thread.

Anyway, didn't see that he was referring to the poll thingy. My phone doesn't load images usually for some reason.
 
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[Isaac]'s the only person I'm actively like praying for.
Same. I talk about other characters (mostly third parties), but Isaac's always going to top the list.

Characters like K. Rool and Ashley I want more for their fans than anything (though I am certainly interested in how Ashley'd play).
Because people like to ignore information they are given in favor of believing what makes them feel good. :happysheep:

I'd guess 7 more for base game max, then DLC later on.
It isn't exaggerated at all. People do this. It is one of the many things a few courses in Pyschology will teach you. I've also personally seen it multiple times in and out of this thread.

Anyway, didn't see that he was referring to the poll thingy. My phone doesn't load images usually for some reason.
For those who haven't taken a Psychology course and can't be bothered to do research, Murlough is talking about "Confirmation Bias".
 
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I like it, but I love my adorable chibi Super Mario Kun Yoshi a little too much
Hey, I'm replaying Paper Mario right now and I just finished Chapter 5. I thought of you every time I was in Yoshi Village. :p

On-topic, I'm liking the Isaac support I'm seeing here! I had practically forgotten about him until I started posting here. I don't think we'll see him, but it's nice to dream.
 
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To everyone, which character would you like to see being revealed next?

Personally I would like Simon Belmont to be unveiled next just to end the Vergeben leak speculation.
Shantae, natch. Mainly so it can be proven that there's more than just the established guests in the base roster. Alternatively, one of those highly-requested characters (e.g. BDW, Dixie Kong, etc).

Characters like K. Rool and Ashley I want more for their fans than anything (though I am certainly interested in how Ashley'd play).
That's pretty much how I feel in regards to Isaac, Geno and to a certain extent Elma.
 
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Out of curiousity, how many of you had Ridley, Daisy, and/or Inklings in your prediction rosters prior to their reveal?

I know I predicted Inklings even before the first reveal of Smash Switch. I added Ridley in my predictions the very moment Vergeben’s rumor was posted, before it gained credibility. As for Daisy, I did not put her as a possible clone, so she came off as a delightful surprise. In retrospect she made sense to add purely by fan popularity, even if her significance to the Mario mainline games is minimal.
Inkling was a no-brainer, and Ridley I believed would finally make it.

Daisy though... I"m still not sure why she's here :laugh:
 

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To everyone, which character would you like to see being revealed next?

Personally I would like Simon Belmont to be unveiled next just to end the Vergeben leak speculation.
Chorus Kids of course. The reaction would be glorious too.

Bias aside, even though Chorus Kids fall into this category, I want to see something that throws everyone for a loop and makes the community question what they know. Those are always the most fun.
 
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Chorus Kids of course. The reaction would be glorious too.

Bias aside, even though Chorus Kids fall into this category, I want to see something that throws everyone for a loop and makes the community question what they know. Those are always the most fun.
Add a non-game character. That'll do it.
 

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New August Direct Rumor on Gamefaqs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76855937

If you wanna believe me asap, Mr. Game and Watch's character trailer will be shown off on the blog tonight. Come back here after it happens.

- Nintendo Direct in August, illustrates new game mode to unlock characters, shows off the menu, shows off more final smashes and some other tweaks, reveals a few more returning stages and 1 new one plus New Donk City.

- I have no info on the new character revealed in August direct.

- Chrom isn't an echo fighter, he's still in Robin's final smash. It hasn't been shown off because they added other characters to it.

- New Donk City is a traveling stage. Not much else to say, imagine Delfino Plaza or Skyloft but New Donk City instead.

- R.O.B. and Peach both have completely new Final Smashes. Several other characters like Yoshi and Diddy Kong have the same Final Smash, except Diddy's is practically a clone of Snake's mechanically now and Yoshi's is just a cutscene Final Smash. Several other final smashes have some cosmetic tweaks.

- Brinstar, Corneria, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), Delfino Plaza, Hanenbow, Reset Bomb Forest, Gerudo Valley and Gamer are shown off as returning stages in the direct.

- Assist trophies are also shown off. Isaac, Magalor, Blue*, Celica, Chibi Robo, Lottie, DK Jr., The Helmasaur King, and King K Rool are all shown off in a compilation.
*Blue simply releases a bunch of Pokeballs at random.

- There are also a few new/returning items. Fan and DK Barrel are back. Ramblin' Mushroom, Toothbrush (Chibi Robo), and the speed shoes from Sonic are all new items shown off.

- The one new stage is Patched Plains from Kirby.

- Simon and Isabelle are also both legit things. Isabelle is not an echo of Villager but several of her moves seem to be borrowed. She's like Luigi is to Mario.

- I know of more info but I'll just leave it with the stuff revealed at the direct as later stuff is subject to change. Also I don't want to be the first to break news of newcomers.

Fortunately the deadline is tonight. So we'll know this rumor's fate in a few hours.
 

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To everyone, which character would you like to see being revealed next?

Personally I would like Simon Belmont to be unveiled next just to end the Vergeben leak speculation.
Calling it now, the next character is gonna be the next character literally nobody expects and winds up killing every leak on tehponycorn's list. Not sure if that would be a sigh of relief for him, though, or a really long night of exhaustion.
 

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Out of curiousity, how many of you had Ridley, Daisy, and/or Inklings in your prediction rosters prior to their reveal?
The Inklings I knew were 100%. The moment that trailer started at the end of that Direct after the Splatoon 2 showcase I thought "This is Smash, isn't it?" I thought they might even have had a chance as DLC for Smash 4, but I figured they'd save them for the next Smash as the "poster child" newcomer for the game, and so it was!

Ridley I was 50/50 on. I thought this might be the time for him to finally make it, I just figured it was up to whether or not Sakurai could figure him out. And here he is!

Daisy... I never even really thought about. I like that she is here now. I just laughed and laughed when she was revealed, haha.
 

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Inkling was a no-brainer, and Ridley I believed would finally make it.

Daisy though... I"m still not sure why she's here :laugh:
C'mon now. Cut Daisy a little slack.

She's been a notable Mario character for decades and she's a Peach clone. Her inclusion isn't hurting anyone.

New August Direct Rumor on Gamefaqs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76855937

If you wanna believe me asap, Mr. Game and Watch's character trailer will be shown off on the blog tonight. Come back here after it happens.

- Nintendo Direct in August, illustrates new game mode to unlock characters, shows off the menu, shows off more final smashes and some other tweaks, reveals a few more returning stages and 1 new one plus New Donk City.

- I have no info on the new character revealed in August direct.

- Chrom isn't an echo fighter, he's still in Robin's final smash. It hasn't been shown off because they added other characters to it.

- New Donk City is a traveling stage. Not much else to say, imagine Delfino Plaza or Skyloft but New Donk City instead.

- R.O.B. and Peach both have completely new Final Smashes. Several other characters like Yoshi and Diddy Kong have the same Final Smash, except Diddy's is practically a clone of Snake's mechanically now and Yoshi's is just a cutscene Final Smash. Several other final smashes have some cosmetic tweaks.

- Brinstar, Corneria, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), Delfino Plaza, Hanenbow, Reset Bomb Forest, Gerudo Valley and Gamer are shown off as returning stages in the direct.

- Assist trophies are also shown off. Isaac, Magalor, Blue*, Celica, Chibi Robo, Lottie, DK Jr., The Helmasaur King, and King K Rool are all shown off in a compilation.
*Blue simply releases a bunch of Pokeballs at random.

- There are also a few new/returning items. Fan and DK Barrel are back. Ramblin' Mushroom, Toothbrush (Chibi Robo), and the speed shoes from Sonic are all new items shown off.

- The one new stage is Patched Plains from Kirby.

- Simon and Isabelle are also both legit things. Isabelle is not an echo of Villager but several of her moves seem to be borrowed. She's like Luigi is to Mario.

- I know of more info but I'll just leave it with the stuff revealed at the direct as later stuff is subject to change. Also I don't want to be the first to break news of newcomers.

Fortunately the deadline is tonight. So we'll know this rumor's fate in a few hours.
Interested to see if this is real. Grain of salt, as usual.
 

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Hey, I'm replaying Paper Mario right now and I just finished Chapter 5. I thought of you every time I was in Yoshi Village. :p

On-topic, I'm liking the Isaac support I'm seeing here! I had practically forgotten about him until I started posting here. I don't think we'll see him, but it's nice to dream.
If you think of me in that chapter of Paper Mario, just wait till you get to Paper Mario: the Thousand-Year Door and you obtain Mini-Yoshi :yoshi:
QUESTION

If there was a direct happening sometime in August, What kind of direct do you think it'll be?
Probably one that focuses on the Online Service and maybe Super Mario Party
 

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New August Direct Rumor on Gamefaqs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76855937

If you wanna believe me asap, Mr. Game and Watch's character trailer will be shown off on the blog tonight. Come back here after it happens.

- Nintendo Direct in August, illustrates new game mode to unlock characters, shows off the menu, shows off more final smashes and some other tweaks, reveals a few more returning stages and 1 new one plus New Donk City.

- I have no info on the new character revealed in August direct.

- Chrom isn't an echo fighter, he's still in Robin's final smash. It hasn't been shown off because they added other characters to it.

- New Donk City is a traveling stage. Not much else to say, imagine Delfino Plaza or Skyloft but New Donk City instead.

- R.O.B. and Peach both have completely new Final Smashes. Several other characters like Yoshi and Diddy Kong have the same Final Smash, except Diddy's is practically a clone of Snake's mechanically now and Yoshi's is just a cutscene Final Smash. Several other final smashes have some cosmetic tweaks.

- Brinstar, Corneria, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), Delfino Plaza, Hanenbow, Reset Bomb Forest, Gerudo Valley and Gamer are shown off as returning stages in the direct.

- Assist trophies are also shown off. Isaac, Magalor, Blue*, Celica, Chibi Robo, Lottie, DK Jr., The Helmasaur King, and King K Rool are all shown off in a compilation.
*Blue simply releases a bunch of Pokeballs at random.

- There are also a few new/returning items. Fan and DK Barrel are back. Ramblin' Mushroom, Toothbrush (Chibi Robo), and the speed shoes from Sonic are all new items shown off.

- The one new stage is Patched Plains from Kirby.

- Simon and Isabelle are also both legit things. Isabelle is not an echo of Villager but several of her moves seem to be borrowed. She's like Luigi is to Mario.

- I know of more info but I'll just leave it with the stuff revealed at the direct as later stuff is subject to change. Also I don't want to be the first to break news of newcomers.

Fortunately the deadline is tonight. So we'll know this rumor's fate in a few hours.
This screams fake as how can you not know who'd get announced but know newcomer details? However, it has a second Fire Emblem assist trophy, so I want it to be real
 

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I want to see something that throws everyone for a loop and makes the community question what they know. Those are always the most fun.
I think that kind of character is getting harder for Sakurai to select, mostly because this is the fifth game in a popular series with a huge roster.

Like, I think pretty much every "What?/Who?" character has been suggested on this site at least once.

Just today Mappy was suggested by... Guh-Huzzah! Guh-Huzzah! I believe.

I don't think there's a single character that would truly, truly knock us all off our collective feet in terms of "didn't see it coming".

In fact, the best way to surprise us on that front is to not have a "WTF?" character in the roster, because after 4 games we're expecting it. :laugh:
 

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Oh man, if K. Rool really is an AT, there will be salt everywhere

At least Isaac returns from Brawl even if he’s not playable...same with Chrom, they seem to be doing the whole “adding more people to a Final Smash” thing so I can buy that

I can understand why they wouldn’t wanna reveal who actually gets revealed in the direct tho...

(Also, hopefully Dixie will be safe)
 
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I think that kind of character is getting harder for Sakurai to select, mostly because this is the fifth game in a popular series with a huge roster.

Like, I think pretty much every "What?/Who?" character has been suggested on this site at least once.

Just today Mappy was suggested by... Guh-Huzzah! Guh-Huzzah! I believe.

I don't think there's a single character that would truly, truly knock us all off our collective feet in terms of "didn't see it coming".

In fact, the best way to surprise us on that front is to not have a "WTF?" character in the roster, because after 4 games we're expecting it. :laugh:
What about Jason Frudnick? Barely anyone besides me thinks he'll be in, so that'd throw everyone for a loop just because his series' latest game only came out last year.
 

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Wasn't Dig Dug discussed earlier? Umm, yeah. What's his most distinct trait?

Inflation

:glare:

Okay, even if it were reasonable to model inflation animations for each character, do y'all really want to see that? Do ya?
 

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I think that kind of character is getting harder for Sakurai to select, mostly because this is the fifth game in a popular series with a huge roster.

Like, I think pretty much every "What?/Who?" character has been suggested on this site at least once.

Just today Mappy was suggested by... Guh-Huzzah! Guh-Huzzah! I believe.

I don't think there's a single character that would truly, truly knock us all off our collective feet in terms of "didn't see it coming".

In fact, the best way to surprise us on that front is to not have a "WTF?" character in the roster, because after 4 games we're expecting it. :laugh:
Yup. That was me.
Another Who The Crap is that Character I'd like is the Ball Fro Katamari


just

imagine

that.
 

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What about Jason Frudnick? Barely anyone besides me thinks he'll be in, so that'd throw everyone for a loop just because his series' latest game only came out last year.
...
But the very moment you put the name out there, you've increased the number of people who wouldn't necessarily be utterly confused about him. :laugh:

They'd still think "Why?" but not "Who?"
 
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Wasn't Dig Dug discussed earlier? Umm, yeah. What's his most distinct trait?

Inflation

:glare:

Okay, even if it were reasonable to model inflation animations for each character, do y'all really want to see that? Do ya?
Some people are into that.

Don't Google it.
 

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New August Direct Rumor on Gamefaqs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76855937

If you wanna believe me asap, Mr. Game and Watch's character trailer will be shown off on the blog tonight. Come back here after it happens.

- Nintendo Direct in August, illustrates new game mode to unlock characters, shows off the menu, shows off more final smashes and some other tweaks, reveals a few more returning stages and 1 new one plus New Donk City.

- I have no info on the new character revealed in August direct.

- Chrom isn't an echo fighter, he's still in Robin's final smash. It hasn't been shown off because they added other characters to it.

- New Donk City is a traveling stage. Not much else to say, imagine Delfino Plaza or Skyloft but New Donk City instead.

- R.O.B. and Peach both have completely new Final Smashes. Several other characters like Yoshi and Diddy Kong have the same Final Smash, except Diddy's is practically a clone of Snake's mechanically now and Yoshi's is just a cutscene Final Smash. Several other final smashes have some cosmetic tweaks.

- Brinstar, Corneria, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), Delfino Plaza, Hanenbow, Reset Bomb Forest, Gerudo Valley and Gamer are shown off as returning stages in the direct.

- Assist trophies are also shown off. Isaac, Magalor, Blue*, Celica, Chibi Robo, Lottie, DK Jr., The Helmasaur King, and King K Rool are all shown off in a compilation.
*Blue simply releases a bunch of Pokeballs at random.

- There are also a few new/returning items. Fan and DK Barrel are back. Ramblin' Mushroom, Toothbrush (Chibi Robo), and the speed shoes from Sonic are all new items shown off.

- The one new stage is Patched Plains from Kirby.

- Simon and Isabelle are also both legit things. Isabelle is not an echo of Villager but several of her moves seem to be borrowed. She's like Luigi is to Mario.

- I know of more info but I'll just leave it with the stuff revealed at the direct as later stuff is subject to change. Also I don't want to be the first to break news of newcomers.

Fortunately the deadline is tonight. So we'll know this rumor's fate in a few hours.
This is the first leak in a while not by Vergeben that has caught my attention, with the K. Rool AT and the Isabelle semi-clone points. I would be disappointed with the latter, but if her play-style manages to be different enough from Villager, I would be a bit content.
 

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Wasn't Dig Dug discussed earlier? Umm, yeah. What's his most distinct trait?

Inflation

:glare:

Okay, even if it were reasonable to model inflation animations for each character, do y'all really want to see that? Do ya?
For that, I would prefer if Klonoa was included instead, he could inflate enemies from his games and fling 'em at people. No awkwardness or pumping opponents involved.
 

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I really hope that Hyrule Warriors gets some representation in Smash. Obviously, I'd personally love Impa with a moveset based off her appearance in the game, but even some music would be nice.

Maybe this can make it into a Zelda Stage?

Man, I really want some HW content in Smash. I sincerely doubt it would get a fighter (though Lana would be rad), but definitely some music and maaaaaaybe a stage would be enough for me. Honestly, if Silent Guardians made it in, I'd be happy.
 
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