Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

While I'm not too sure about how well it would work out, if Infinite was an Assist Trophy, perhaps he'd create clones of himself to attack your opponents.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

While I'm not too sure about how well it would work out, if Infinite was an Assist Trophy, perhaps he'd create clones of himself to attack your opponents.

That'd incredibly disappointing considering his powers. Then again Forces absolutely wasted his potential so I guess it fits

 

[Schnee117]

So I'm about to experience Super Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Sonic Mania, Mario and Rabbids Kingdom Battle, and ..... Sonic Forces all for the first time in two days. Tell me guys, am I in for something special? Also I hope it doesn't spoil the game knowing who the champions are going into Breath of the Wild.

Neither Sonic games are anything special.
They're both average at best with Mania taking a nosedive off of a cliff after the second area whilst Forces just remains consistently meh.

The others are great games though. Knowing about the Champions doesn't really spoil anything, BotW is rather light on story. It's all about what you do and how you do it.

 

[Cosmic77]

So I'm about to experience Super Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Sonic Mania, Mario and Rabbids Kingdom Battle, and ..... Sonic Forces all for the first time in two days. Tell me guys, am I in for something special? Also I hope it doesn't spoil the game knowing who the champions are going into Breath of the Wild.

You're gonna love Odyssey and BotW. Nintendo hasn't made games that good in a long time (And no, knowing who the Champions are isn't really a huge spoiler. They're shown off in a cutscene very early in the game.) Mania and Rabbids are also good. Both of those titles should be rather enjoyable. As for Forces... Well, I'm sure enough has been said on that.

Then again Forces absolutely wasted his potential so I guess it fits

I'll admit, this really made me laugh.

 

[Ura]

We need Solid Snake back, and his codecs are better than Palutena's Guidance. I think this has been said multiple times before.


I agree with this.

People want Young Link back in Smash but man, we got Toon Link already. We do not need three links guys, and Toon Link outclasses Young Link in popularity. Sorry If I broke your dreams, Young Link people.

As if we were forced in to choosing between the two.

 

[Deleted member]

Is ZeRo still going to be the best if the next Smash game comes? Just curious.

As if we were forced in to choosing between the two.

Pretty much; I doubt Nintendo will chose Young Link over Toon Link or even add him. Toon Link casts a large shadow over Young Link when it comes to smash potential.

That'd incredibly disappointing considering his powers. Then again Forces absolutely wasted his potential so I guess it fits

Forces wasted it's own potential. This post is TRUTH.

 

[Ura]

Is ZeRo still going to be the best if the next Smash game comes? Just curious.

I don't see how anyone of us could answer that question. If ZeRo continues to perform at the level he plays then sure yeah.

Pretty much; I doubt Nintendo will chose Young Link over Toon Link or even add him. Toon Link casts a large shadow over Young Link when it comes to smash potential.

Not if YLink could incorporate things from his game in his moveset.

doesn't stop people from wanting BoTW Link.

 

[Zerp]

While I'm not too sure about how well it would work out, if Infinite was an Assist Trophy, perhaps he'd create clones of himself to attack your opponents.

If Infinite became an assist trophy I'd hope that he'd do nothing but screech "I'M NOT WEAK!" over and over again.
Really though, I don't think he has any chance at all, they probably won't choose him when they've got far more important and beloved characters such as Dr. Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Metal Sonic from the same franchise to work with.

Is ZeRo still going to be the best if the next Smash game comes? Just curious.

There's no way to tell that until we all get to play the game, for all we know it could be exactly like Smash 4 but by the time it comes out there might be an player better than him already or an player better suited to rule over a new meta that comes with the inevitable balance changes. Like say, if Duck Hunt got insane buffs that put him on the level of Brawl Meta Knight and Diddy Kong somehow became the worst character, yeah, he'd probably not be number one for awhile because he'd have to either adjust to all of Diddy's changes and/or learn a new character while insertyourfavoriteDuckHuntmainhere just gets handed everything they ever asked for and proceeds to demolish everyone and everything. I'm not saying that's what will happen but even if it's just a port balance changes could cost him the number one title depending on what they change and/or don't change, even if only temporarily.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

The Zelda roster just needs some major upgrading. Sheik and Ganondorf aren't really cutting it anymore for me. Cause to be honest, Ganondorf could've easily been included in BOTW if they wanted. Sheik is never getting back in a Zelda game either. They didn't do it with Twilight Princess, so I don't see them opting for a Sheik appearance ever again.

Spot on, agree with everything you've said about fixing Zelda representation in Smash. Can be done so much better. Overall, the way Ganondorf is represented is a disservice to the character. If they must, have Zelda revert back to Sheik again via down special.

 

[Deleted member]

How many characters are you expecting for the next game?

I ask this because we are at fifty-one characters with the base roster - fifty-eight when including Smash 3DS & Wii U's DLC characters. That is a lot of characters, impressive when considering that all but three characters are fully fleshed out.

Honestly, I couldn't give a close range. We could see a total shakeup with a roster size around Brawl's if Nintendo feels it needs to go in a completely different direction or we could see what we got in the previous games and get an expanded roster with similar gameplay mechanics.

However, I'm certain that it will not go beyond seventy characters. I expect several cuts and I doubt there will be enough additions to push it past that mark.

 

[Opossum]

How many characters are you expecting for the next game?

I ask this because we are at fifty-one characters with the base roster - fifty-eight when including Smash 3DS & Wii U's DLC characters. That is a lot of characters, impressive when considering that all but three characters are fully fleshed out.

Honestly, I couldn't give a close range. We could see a total shakeup with a roster size around Brawl's if Nintendo feels it needs to go in a completely different direction or we could see what we got in the previous games and get an expanded roster with similar gameplay mechanics.

However, I'm certain that it will not go beyond seventy characters. I expect several cuts and I doubt there will be enough additions to push it past that mark.

I think it'll be above 65 but below 70. I'm expecting a good amount of cuts, too.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it'll be above 65 but below 70. I'm expecting a good amount of cuts, too.

When looking at cuts, what I find is that when it comes to cuts from Melee to Brawl and Brawl to Smash 3DS & Wii U, most are clones and semi-clones. If they are unique characters (like Pokémon Trainer, Ice Climber, and Snake), they have extenuating circumstances explaining their absence. Mewtwo is the only odd one out and even then, he was planned for the first three games (not sure about Smash 3DS & Wii U prior to DLC though) and being a Pokémon likely makes development of playable characters especially complicated because of the Pokémon Company's insistence on new playable characters per latest gen as of Brawl. So when looking at plausible cuts for this game, these are the ones most likely to get the axe:

- Clones
- Semi-clones
- Characters with technical problems
- Pokémons
- Third-parties

For this reason I expect one or two of Dark Pit, Lucina, and Dr. Mario to be cut and I don't expect Lucas or Roy on the base roster either. I also think we might lose a Pokémon (probably Greninja if it comes to that) and a third-party (probably Cloud if it happens). This is also why I think Ice Climbers will be the only Brawl cut that returns, because its cut was literally only because of technical problems and I'd imagine the Switch's power can overcome that issue (especially since the new game won't have to deal with technically two separate games).

Not sure how many cuts we'll get next game, All I'm certain of is that it's happening.

 

[Deleted member]

I kind of feel bad for people who want Chrom in Smash, because Sakurai said a message to us way before.

Well at least they made a Mii costume. I notice a strong sense of irony about this picture by the way...
Who even cares about Miis?

In all seriousness I am in favor for a new Pokemon character and a new Zelda character from BOTW. Knuckles, Lynn and Issac were supposed to be in Project M, but they did not make it because it closed . Those three could be a potential in Smash. Keep up the good work Thread.

 

[Zerp]

How many characters are you expecting for the next game?

I ask this because we are at fifty-one characters with the base roster - fifty-eight when including Smash 3DS & Wii U's DLC characters. That is a lot of characters, impressive when considering that all but three characters are fully fleshed out.

Honestly, I couldn't give a close range. We could see a total shakeup with a roster size around Brawl's if Nintendo feels it needs to go in a completely different direction or we could see what we got in the previous games and get an expanded roster with similar gameplay mechanics.

However, I'm certain that it will not go beyond seventy characters. I expect several cuts and I doubt there will be enough additions to push it past that mark.

Without any context on the game's development, I don't think we have any good way of guessing, we don't know if they're using the same engine as Smash 4 or not, what the dev team's focusing on and so on but, without counting any potential DLC, my guess'll be 72. Why? Because I like how 72 sounds, there's no rhyme or reason behind it.

I kind of feel bad for people who want Chrom in Smash, because Sakurai said a message to us way before.

Well at least they made a Mii costume. I notice a strong sense of irony about this picture by the way...

Would be behind any of that irony?

Anyway, with that level of savagery I'm half expecting a not-so-subtle message from Sakurai next game hidden within the codecs/guidance replacement about why Jigglypuff does not need buffs and that her mains are the scum of the universe and should all be scorned.

 

[Deleted member]

While I'm not too sure about how well it would work out, if Infinite was an Assist Trophy, perhaps he'd create clones of himself to attack your opponents.

He overrides the current BGM with his theme, and everyone just KOs themselves in such awe.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I think it'll be above 65 but below 70. I'm expecting a good amount of cuts, too.

Cuts would be a whole lot easier to handle if they were finished and released for free or even for cheap as DLC. Like, I get that Wolf was low priority and I know Ice Climbers had problems but I would've payed a couple of bucks to have them back. I would've bought the game twice if it meant we got Snake. Sakurai's stance on that really bothered me to be honest.

That'd incredibly disappointing considering his powers. Then again Forces absolutely wasted his potential so I guess it fits

Forces wasted a lot of potential in multiple departments though to be fair.

 

[FunAtParties]

After a decent hiatus, and living under a rock, I played RoA and blindly paid for the DLC. Now I have two really cool new characters to mess with. I love that game.

Anyway I only bring it up, because Ranno is everything I wanted a revamped Frogger to look like. Now I want Frogger in Smash again.

 

[Pakky]

I still have hope for K.Rool. DK never geta anything.

Also expecting Paper Mario.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Spot on, agree with everything you've said about fixing Zelda representation in Smash. Can be done so much better. Overall, the way Ganondorf is represented is a disservice to the character. If they must, have Zelda revert back to Sheik again via down special.

No no no please don't let that ever happen. Zelda and Sheik are better separate. Even tho they are still horribly imbalanced. That's a reason why I wanted Impa instead of Sheik as well. A separate Sheik still looks weird to me, cause she only got in because of her being a transformation of Zelda anyway. Which is also a reason I wanted Impa to take up the spot that separate Sheik now has. It makes more sense than Sheik on her own anyway.

BOTW Link is still a terrible idea to me. Just use a Champion or give Impa some Sheikah Slate magical abilities. There's no need for another Link with a weapon durability system.

 

[Cosmic77]

How many characters are you expecting for the next game?

I ask this because we are at fifty-one characters with the base roster - fifty-eight when including Smash 3DS & Wii U's DLC characters. That is a lot of characters, impressive when considering that all but three characters are fully fleshed out.

Honestly, I couldn't give a close range. We could see a total shakeup with a roster size around Brawl's if Nintendo feels it needs to go in a completely different direction or we could see what we got in the previous games and get an expanded roster with similar gameplay mechanics.

However, I'm certain that it will not go beyond seventy characters. I expect several cuts and I doubt there will be enough additions to push it past that mark.

How many do I expect? I don't know how much DLC we'll be getting, but the initial roster should have around 65 characters, give or take a few.

Since the roster is already packed with characters, I'm expecting there to be cuts as usual. The full-clone characters, third-parties, and DLC characters (particularly Lucas, Roy, and Cloud) are the only ones I'd be worried about though. Unless there's some weird unforeseen circumstances, I can't see us getting a repeat of Mewtwo and Ice Climbers (One unique character who was planned gets cut). I'm also adamant that this will be the first game where a Pokemon character doesn't get cut. There aren't any clone or transformation characters that seem nonessential this time, so why don't we just leave things how they are.

 

[Krysco]

So here's a question: with people expecting a larger roster than Sm4sh (not by much but still) AND expecting cuts, that means quite a few newcomers (less so if you believe the likes of Pichu, Ice Climbers, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pokemon Trainer, Snake and/or Wolf are coming back). With common prediction release dates for Smash for Switch being some time next year or 2019 and with only what? Splatoon and ARMS as new IPs between Sm4sh and a Smash 5 and a few releases for current IPs (Mario Odyssey, BotW, Starfox Zero, Samus Returns, Federation Force, not gonna count Prime 4 since we don't know anything about it, Pokemon Sun/Moon, Kirby Planet Robobot, not counting the 2018 game yet, FE Shadows of Valentia, FE Warriors and FE Heroes and whatever other games I may be forgetting). What cuts are people expecting and additions? Should also note that I'm not expecting every newcomer to be from a recent game but the vast majority of them are.

I don't know what to expect for newcomers at all but for cuts, I'm expecting maybemaybemaybemaybemaybe. Was also gonna put a maybe but I feel the combination of Marth, Ike and Robin cover FE pretty well with Marth being the beginning, Ike being the first jump to 3D and having the biggest story and Robin being the rejuvenation of the franchise. Lucina could very well do that too but she was initially only planned as a costume and got the clone treatment instead and while not concrete, we've had clones cut before or decloned. Also hoping for these 3 vets to come back

 

[Cosmic77]

So here's a question: with people expecting a larger roster than Sm4sh (not by much but still) AND expecting cuts, that means quite a few newcomers (less so if you believe the likes of Pichu, Ice Climbers, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pokemon Trainer, Snake and/or Wolf are coming back). With common prediction release dates for Smash for Switch being some time next year or 2019 and with only what? Splatoon and ARMS as new IPs between Sm4sh and a Smash 5 and a few releases for current IPs (Mario Odyssey, BotW, Starfox Zero, Samus Returns, Federation Force, not gonna count Prime 4 since we don't know anything about it, Pokemon Sun/Moon, Kirby Planet Robobot, not counting the 2018 game yet, FE Shadows of Valentia, FE Warriors and FE Heroes and whatever other games I may be forgetting). What cuts are people expecting and additions? Should also note that I'm not expecting every newcomer to be from a recent game but the vast majority of them are.

I don't know what to expect for newcomers at all but for cuts, I'm expecting maybemaybemaybemaybemaybe. Was also gonna put a maybe but I feel the combination of Marth, Ike and Robin cover FE pretty well with Marth being the beginning, Ike being the first jump to 3D and having the biggest story and Robin being the rejuvenation of the franchise. Lucina could very well do that too but she was initially only planned as a costume and got the clone treatment instead and while not concrete, we've had clones cut before or decloned. Also hoping for these 3 vets to come back

I've already given my thoughts on cuts in my previous post.

As for newcomers, no idea. I will say that I feel like we're in a better position than we were with Smash 4. The time between Brawl and Smash 4 was a dormant period for most franchises. I think just about every big franchise will have gotten a new title (or have a new title in production) by the time Smash 5 is announced.

 

[Lukingordex]

Bomberman deserves to be the next 3rd party character

 

[UserKev]

Who else is hoping a handheld Smash doesn't get in the way of the next console Smash's potential? It felt great when Smash was console exclusive and I miss that.

Both is like Sakurai trying to commit suicide anyway.

 

[Opossum]

Who else is hoping a handheld Smash doesn't get in the way of the next console Smash's potential? It felt great when Smash was console exclusive and I miss that.

Both is like Sakurai trying to commit suicide anyway.

I mean honestly I don't think there's anything to worry about. The 3DS is on its last legs and already has a Smash game, and I highly doubt we'll get a 4DS/HDS or something like that.

Fairly sure Nintendo's consolidating everything into the Switch.

 

[IronTed]

The probability of getting a 4DS is the same as the probability of getting a Gameboy Next.

Except this time the whole "3rd pillar" PR we get is rather laughable.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I mean honestly I don't think there's anything to worry about. The 3DS is on its last legs and already has a Smash game, and I highly doubt we'll get a 4DS/HDS or something like that.

Fairly sure Nintendo's consolidating everything into the Switch.

Here's what Smash on the 4DS would look like:

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Infinite became an assist trophy I'd hope that he'd do nothing but screech "I'M NOT WEAK!" over and over again.
Really though, I don't think he has any chance at all, they probably won't choose him when they've got far more important and beloved characters such as Dr. Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Metal Sonic from the same franchise to work with.

Yeah when you think it over, even an Assist Trophy role may not work. If worse comes to worse, a simple trophy cameo for Infinite would be the best bet, and even those odds are uncertain.

 

[Deleted member]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif. Then agian, we got Solid Snake in Brawl. The two veterans I hope will return the most is Solid Snake and Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers is most likely going to make it because the 3DS had a problem fitting them in, so they will get another chance. We also need a BOTW / Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character as well as a new Pokemon from Gen 7. Greninja can stay; I like him in Smash.

 

[GolisoPower]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif. Then agian, we got Solid Snake in Brawl. The two veterans I hope will return the most is Solid Snake and Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers is most likely going to make it because the 3DS had a problem fitting them in, so they will get another chance. We also need a BOTW / Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character as well as a new Pokemon from Gen 7. Greninja can stay; I like him in Smash.

About your Master Chief thing: Does the Halo Mash-Up Pack being on the Nintendo Switch version of Minecraft (No, seriously. Worth the Google.) increase Master Chief’s chances of being in Smash Bros, or is it like how Cloud being in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories for the GameBoy justify his inclusion?

 

[Ura]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif. Then agian, we got Solid Snake in Brawl. The two veterans I hope will return the most is Solid Snake and Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers is most likely going to make it because the 3DS had a problem fitting them in, so they will get another chance. We also need a BOTW / Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character as well as a new Pokemon from Gen 7. Greninja can stay; I like him in Smash.

Obligatory post of how Cloud/Final Fantasy was never owned by Sony.

 

[Deleted member]

Master Chief and Cloud are not comparable.

Cloud isn't owned by Sony, he's a Square-Enix character.
It doesn't matter that his game is Sony-exclusive, he himself and the series he's from are not.

 

[Cosmic77]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif. Then agian, we got Solid Snake in Brawl. The two veterans I hope will return the most is Solid Snake and Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers is most likely going to make it because the 3DS had a problem fitting them in, so they will get another chance. We also need a BOTW / Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character as well as a new Pokemon from Gen 7. Greninja can stay; I like him in Smash.

I honestly don't care which third-party character gets added as long as said character is fairly iconic to gaming as a whole. I'm not about to throw my support for some random character just for the sake of having someone from a PlayStation/Xbox exclusive franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

Obligatory post of how Cloud/Final Fantasy was never owned by Sony.

Master Chief and Cloud are not comparable.

Cloud isn't owned by Sony, he's a Square-Enix character.
It doesn't matter that his game is Sony-exclusive, he himself and the series he's from are not.

I know Cloud is not from Sony ( I should have mentioned that ), and I said that Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo Consoles. The thing is that Microsoft and Nintendo are allowing cross play and that might help with Master Chief in Smash, I do not know. Phil Spencer even was fine with having Banjo Kazooie ( Something Microsoft owns ) in Smash during the Smash Ballot.

I honestly don't care which third-party character gets added as long as said character is fairly iconic to gaming as a whole. I'm not about to throw my support for some random character just for the sake of having someone from a PlayStation/Xbox exclusive franchise.

Master Cheif is a very iconic gaming character; I think he is one of the gaming mascots on Xbox. Halo is also a popular series.

About your Master Chief thing: Does the Halo Mash-Up Pack being on the Nintendo Switch version of Minecraft (No, seriously. Worth the Google.) increase Master Chief’s chances of being in Smash Bros, or is it like how Cloud being in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories for the GameBoy justify his inclusion?

I think both are acceptable. It probably helped Cloud a little bit that Square Enix put Final Fantasy games in Nintendo consoles before Playstation. If they put Cloud in the Gameboy with Kingdom Hearts after they went to Sony, I think Square Enix is still fine with Nitnendo. It could happen since Microsoft and Nintendo let Minecraft cross so the other players can interact despite being in different consoles. Keep in mind that Minecraft is a large cash cow.

 

[RouffWestie]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif. Then agian, we got Solid Snake in Brawl. The two veterans I hope will return the most is Solid Snake and Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers is most likely going to make it because the 3DS had a problem fitting them in, so they will get another chance. We also need a BOTW / Xenoblade Chronicles 2 character as well as a new Pokemon from Gen 7. Greninja can stay; I like him in Smash.

We just need Master Chief period. Not because he's xbox exclusive, but because he's a modern gaming icon.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Honestly I don't think that it is likely that we will see a Microsoft owned character in Smash since they are competitors of Nintendo...as for now.

BUT by looking at the state of the Xbox division, and how all their exclusive games are also released on PC (and BTW Phil Spencer even mentioned that he is open to the idea of porting their games on other consoles), it is quite likely that Microsoft's Xbox division is slowly turning itself into a software only company. If that is the case there should not be anything stopping Master Chief, Banjo Kazooie ecc. from joining the roster.

 

[dezeray112]

We need a character that originates from a game that is exclusive to the Xbox ( Steam is fine ). For example; . I know Final Fantasy has been in Nintendo consoles before, but the game Cloud was in was exclusive to the PS1. My option is Master Cheif, but I feel like many casual Nintendo fans would not understand Master Cheif.

If from the Xbox brand, the only names I could come up with are Master Chief of the Halo series, Banjo & Kazooie, Joanna Dark of Perfect Dark and someone from Killer Instinct.

 

[Pakky]

If anyone from Mircosoft gets in, it'll probably be Steve.

 

[dezeray112]

How many characters are you expecting for the next game?

I ask this because we are at fifty-one characters with the base roster - fifty-eight when including Smash 3DS & Wii U's DLC characters. That is a lot of characters, impressive when considering that all but three characters are fully fleshed out.

Honestly, I couldn't give a close range. We could see a total shakeup with a roster size around Brawl's if Nintendo feels it needs to go in a completely different direction or we could see what we got in the previous games and get an expanded roster with similar gameplay mechanics.

However, I'm certain that it will not go beyond seventy characters. I expect several cuts and I doubt there will be enough additions to push it past that mark.

I do think that the roster to be larger than the 3DS/Wii-U version and I am expecting a couple of characters to be cut.

Guest characters is something that I've been mostly anticipating as well and it will be interesting to see which new and returning characters are going to be in the Switch version.

 

[Ura]

People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.

Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.