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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.

Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
You make a very good point. I would rather have Master Cheif in Smash because it would attract to the more mature fans who play Smash, but if there is one thing we all must learn it is that Nintendo wants to appeal to the casual side more because one thing: There are much more casual gamers than competitive gamers. More money for Nintendo! There are so many casual gamers in Minecraft it would probably increase Smash for Switch's revenue because it would appeal to the many Minecraft fans. Minecraft appeared on more Nintendo platforms than Halo did. I would be pretty interesting to see Steve's moveset because there are so many tools in Minecraft. Master Cheif would be a nice addition in Smash though; maybe both Steve and Master Cheif. Minecraft already sold like one hundred twenty five million copies! Minecraft is also the second most selling game in the entire world. Minecraft and Tetris are the only games to sell over a hundred million copies. So I agree with you, and good post!
 
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You make a very good point. I would rather have Master Cheif in Smash because it would attract to the more mature fans who play Smash, but if there is one thing we all must learn it is that Nintendo wants to appeal to the casual side more because one thing: There are much more casual gamers than competitive gamers. More money for Nintendo! There are so many casual gamers in Minecraft it would probably increase Smash for Switch's revenue because it would appeal to the many Minecraft fans. Minecraft appeared on more Nintendo platforms than Halo did. I would be pretty interesting to see Steve's moveset because there are so many tools in Minecraft. Master Cheif would be a nice addition in Smash though; maybe both Steve and Master Cheif. Minecraft already sold like one hundred twenty five million copies! Minecraft is also the second most selling game in the entire world. Minecraft and Tetris are the only games to sell over a hundred million copies. So I agree with you, and good post!
I didn't say I wanted Steve at all. Personally I would much rather have Master Chief if the choice were mine to make.

You pretty much stated all the reasons why Steve is likely to be in the game over the good chief. And thanks!
 
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I will take Master Cheif over Steve any day. I mean think about Snake in Brawl, maybe Master Cheif will join instead of Steve.
I hope in Smash for Switch they do the thing where they add classic skins like what they did with Project M.
....Steve....



Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
It makes me cringe too. I do not want the majority of the Minecraft fan base flooding in the Smash community. You all know how the Minecraft fanbase can be...
 
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Without any context on the game's development, I don't think we have any good way of guessing, we don't know if they're using the same engine as Smash 4 or not, what the dev team's focusing on and so on but, without counting any potential DLC, my guess'll be 72. Why? Because I like how 72 sounds, there's no rhyme or reason behind it.
On that note, sixty-four characters sounds, well, appropriate. I mean after all, we did get a console with 64 on it, right? I can't believe we might actually reach, if not surpass that number. I should try to make a 64 roster.
Cuts would be a whole lot easier to handle if they were finished and released for free or even for cheap as DLC. Like, I get that Wolf was low priority and I know Ice Climbers had problems but I would've payed a couple of bucks to have them back. I would've bought the game twice if it meant we got Snake. Sakurai's stance on that really bothered me to be honest.
Smash 4's DLCs likely set the tone for what we can expect for future DLCs, popular veterans, promotional characters, and third-party additions. Like Lucas, I expect our veterans to be planned before release.

This is just speculation, but I believe that like Lucas, Mewtwo and Roy were also planned to be DLC long before they were announced. Remember that the characters for the initial rosters were decided by 2012, leaving us with around a two and a half year gap before Mewtwo's announcement (and about two years after we found out Gematsu leaked information on Lucas being DLC). That's a lot of time to be thinking about DLCs which the game had planned on having from the start.

I still have hope for K.Rool. DK never geta anything.
Maybe if we believe hard enough, K. Rool will be revealed as the second highest ballot character and he'll get in this game, right?

...right?

I mean at this point, it's the only way we're getting a third DK character.
I've already given my thoughts on cuts in my previous post.

As for newcomers, no idea. I will say that I feel like we're in a better position than we were with Smash 4. The time between Brawl and Smash 4 was a dormant period for most franchises. I think just about every big franchise will have gotten a new title (or have a new title in production) by the time Smash 5 is announced.
As far as big franchises are concerned, the only one that I could see missing out on a title before Smash Switch gets released is Donkey Kong.

Bomberman deserves to be the next 3rd party character
I will drink to that.
Master Chief and Cloud are not comparable.

Cloud isn't owned by Sony, he's a Square-Enix character.
It doesn't matter that his game is Sony-exclusive, he himself and the series he's from are not.
Also Cloud actually appeared on Nintendo consoles prior to being in Smash. Master Chief has not and last time I checked, being a video game-originated character and having an appearance on a Nintendo console are prerequisites.

He's not getting in even if all the stars align until he fulfills the latter requirement.
 
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....Steve....



Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
That's one part of Smash 4's speculation that I don't miss. I can still remember the comments from 6 year-olds from when I was on Miiverse.



"I wanted you guys to know that steve from minecraft needs to be in smash bros he's like the most popular character in the world now probably even more popular than Mario."

"It maks me so mad when people say steve is a joke charater!!! Hes not!!! They just cant acept the fact that sakuri has probablly allready added him!!!"

"I'LL FOLLOW ANYONE WHO MAKES A STEVE FOR SMASH 4 POST!"
 

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Maybe if we believe hard enough, K. Rool will be revealed as the second highest ballot character and he'll get in this game, right?

...right?

I mean at this point, it's the only way we're getting a third DK character.
This is why Dixie Kong support needs to be far more vocal. And I choose to be more vocal about her. Because I still think Dixie would be a great addition, yet without strong support she might simply not get in there. Even if Tropical Freeze has made her more relevant now. I still am anxious she isn't gonna be in this next Smash.
 

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....Steve....



Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
That's my reaction to Goku or anymore Fire Emblem characters in the next Smash.

Although i'd take Steve over Goku any day of the week.
 
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That's my reaction to Goku or anymore Fire Emblem characters in the next Smash.

Although i'd take Steve over Goku any day of the week.
I'd take the full Fire Emblem Heroes roster over Steve and Goku.
 

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I'd prefer Master Chief and/or Fulgore to Steve?, but they're all reasonable choices.

Although only the last one feels likely among them. Master Chief may not have had an appearance on a Nintendo console yet(not that it is a requirement. That's an old mistranslation. It's more that Sakurai takes it into consideration), but there's also the fact they refused to release the Halo Mash-Up Pack outside of the Xbox and PC versions of Minecraft and they couldn't work out Halo DS. This hurts his chances way more than a simple lack of an appearance. Fulgore is actual current competition, as Killer Insitnct is Xbox exclusive, so that hurts his chances too. Steve? really only has one thing to worry about, how Sakurai(or whoever is making the game) can implement their moveset in a way that works well(especially considering that Microsoft has to be okay with the representation too. It's a huge reason why costumes aren't always great for 3rd parties. Sonic and Pac-Man are huge examples of this).
 

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What about Banjo Kazooie? Not every Microsoft owned choice has to be a terrible one!
 

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What about Banjo Kazooie? Not every Microsoft owned choice has to be a terrible one!
Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans. Definitely did not massively change or create a genre. Donkey Kong 64(as well as the Donkey Kong Country series) is what made collectathons iconic. Even Super Mario 64 did a massive change to the design within the 3D era. B&K are great, but they respectively didn't do really anything for the genre overall. They just improved upon DK64's really poor formula, but not enough to severely stand out for gamers around the world.

The character is given way more credit than is due. It's a popular choice, sure, among a vocal minority. Honestly, their only chance would either be the ballot or "no other choice was viable". Probably a bit more viable than a Battletoad for moveset potential, but even they're more iconic.

Remember, 3rd parties are meant to have a gaming history and be iconic. It has nothing to do with "how tied are they to Nintendo". This is why Cloud is in, and someone like Black Mage or Terra(who is more relevant to Nintendo) is not. One way outweighs the others. Basically, stop thinking "Nintendo" and think "history of the genre". This is honestly why Halo, Minecraft, and Killer Instinct are severely more important to gaming that a really good platformer is. One changed FPS' forever. Another became the top Indie game(as well as the "create your own stuff" game, far more notable than Lego are gaming-wise, oddly enough), and finally, one severely changed Fighting games. Street Fighter created combos, as a glitch. Killer Instinct defined combos as a real thing first, and also included the heavily used Combo Breaker. That's extremely important to games now. It should go without saying that the character is tied to the game they originated from as well, hence why they tend to choose the main character/mascot first in most cases for 3rd parties. When it comes to FFVII, there's a lot of memorable characters that did a lot beyond Cloud. However, Cloud is the main character, which gives him a one-up on the rest. It's a lot easier to choose alternate characters in 1st/2nd parties, since those games also often get more than one character.
 

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Regarding the poll, I think public reception to Xenoblade 2 killed any chances of a newcomer from that game. If it became a runaway success, it'd be way more likely, but reception has been lukewarm to kinda meh.
 
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I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
 

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Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans.
Yes, the generation that grew up with, y'know, Super Smash Bros.

It's a generation very often overlooked and it was the start of Smash as a series as a whole.

I don't care about your Cloud comparison. Cloud is the exception, not the rule. Banjo-Kazooie was a beloved N64 game and one of that generation's biggest gems in gaming. That alone means it's iconic. That they aren't anymore is all due because of the buy-out of Rare.

A Banjo-Kazooie playable appearance would be a huge sign towards a Nintendo-Rare restoration in relationships, and perhaps even a new headstart. This is my biggest reason of wanting them in there. Even Microsoft gave their approval. And it's an actual mascot owned by Microsoft that has direct ties with Nintendo; namely through Diddy Kong Racing. :4diddy:

Banjo-Kazooie is a good choice for a Microsoft-owned character. Not even Cloud is Sony-owned, but completely by Square-Enix, and Snake has been outrightely removed. I don't see why everyone is claymoring to Cloud's appearance so adamantly, cause I really cannot see such a addition happening yet again. In all actuality, Cloud seems one of the more likely 3rd party characters to get booted.
 

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Regarding the poll, I think public reception to Xenoblade 2 killed any chances of a newcomer from that game. If it became a runaway success, it'd be way more likely, but reception has been lukewarm to kinda meh.
Actually the only people complaining about Xeniverse 2 are an extremely minority. The game was very well received by critics and it has already outsold both X and the original.
 

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People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.

Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
You gotta expect the unexpected for Smash now. Chances are, the characters you really like and put the most energy, support into won't make it.
 

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I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?
 
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Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?
You have a solid point, but those other fan bases you mentioned ( except for the Sonic fan base ) have more proper quality and are less obnoxious than the Minecraft fan bases. The statement I said about how the fan bases have more quality does not apply to the Sonic fan base; the Sonic fan base is in the same level as the Minecraft fan base. Those other fan bases can be wild, but to a lesser extent.
 
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Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?


You have a solid point, but those other fan bases you mentioned ( except for the Sonic fan base ) have more proper quality and are less obnoxious than the Minecraft fan bases. Except for the Sonic fan base; that is in the same level as the Minecraft fan base. Those other fan bases can be wild, but to a lesser extent.
The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteens
 
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I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
I just don't want Steve period.

I don't care about his potential moveset.
I don't care about his fanbase.

I just don't want his ugly-ass face in Smash.
 

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Yes, the generation that grew up with, y'know, Super Smash Bros.

It's a generation very often overlooked and it was the start of Smash as a series as a whole.

I don't care about your Cloud comparison. Cloud is the exception, not the rule. Banjo-Kazooie was a beloved N64 game and one of that generation's biggest gems in gaming. That alone means it's iconic. That they aren't anymore is all due because of the buy-out of Rare.

A Banjo-Kazooie playable appearance would be a huge sign towards a Nintendo-Rare restoration in relationships, and perhaps even a new headstart. This is my biggest reason of wanting them in there. Even Microsoft gave their approval. And it's an actual mascot owned by Microsoft that has direct ties with Nintendo; namely through Diddy Kong Racing. :4diddy:

Banjo-Kazooie is a good choice for a Microsoft-owned character. Not even Cloud is Sony-owned, but completely by Square-Enix, and Snake has been outrightely removed. I don't see why everyone is claymoring to Cloud's appearance so adamantly, cause I really cannot see such a addition happening yet again. In all actuality, Cloud seems one of the more likely 3rd party characters to get booted.
And none of this makes them iconic to gaming as a whole(what Sakurai actually was referring to, which is why he used the term "gaming history", which does actually refer to more than iconic, obviously), now does it?

That's the important part of a 3rd party option. Only the Smash Poll can say otherwise, as Bayonetta was added while not being iconic either.

Microsoft responded to a vocal minority, and of course Phil Spencer said something, to get more voters on the poll. Like other companies. It really doesn't mean a thing.

No generation is really that important except the latest ones for character options, as those are relevant. They especially aren't specific to 3rd parties, cause once again, it's about gaming history, that is iconic to gaming as a whole, multiple generations.

Please stop grasping at straws. Being great games =/= being games that redefined gaming as a whole. They are different. You also clearly missed the point, as I wasn't really making a major Cloud comparison only. Just that the game that defined the genre chooses the major character to represent them.

Cloud probably won't get booted, anyway. He may be the most likely, but it blatantly made a huge difference and also is making it even easier for Square-Enix to sell their stuff on Nintendo. People ate it up. Ryu is in a bit more of an odd spot, but even then, Street Fighter is still consistently available(just not all games) on Nintendo, so there's no reason not to renew/keep up the licensing. Pretty much the only reason someone will be cut among the 3rd parties is due to unforeseen circumstances, like with the Konami/Kojima issue, which most likely did matter, as licensing was always via Konami. Never mind you fairly clearly ignored a lot of what I said. Not sure why you cherry picked one part(despite it still being true anyway).
 

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Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
Xc2 - Haven’t gotten into it yet, but the main guy, Rex seems a good pick. I mean Cross isn’t bad, but he might just be too customizable of a character to work. Granted we still got Corrin and Robin.

Fire Emblem - Alvis/Arvis

BOTW - I’d like one of the dragons as a boss fight.
 

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I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
The minecraft fanbase is very obnoxious (usually filled with cringy ass 9 or 10 year old kids, and I don't think anyone wants the smash community to be toxicated because of that). I won't care if Steve in Smash, but it's kinda sad that he is being shut down even though he has a lot of potential to be a unique character with an intresting gimmick (maybe using his crafting table). Yet again, he would look extremely weird and out of place compared to the other characters and he might cause the minecraft fan base to come over to smash, and nobody wants that.

Steve? has a significant chance of making it because of how popular it is and how Minecraft is on every recent Nintendo Console.
 

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The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteens
The voting gauntlet doxxing thing never actually happened, FYI. Literally zero proof was provided. I could swear I told you that once before.

The fanbase can get wildly toxic but let's not use fake reasons as to why.
 

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You gotta expect the unexpected for Smash now. Chances are, the characters you really like and put the most energy, support into won't make it.
I mean the characters I really support never really stood a chance outside Brawl.

And I don't think that mentality applies to everyone. Anyone expecting Inkling or an ARMS character will more likely than not come out satisfied.
The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteens
Wha?

I must have missed that. I didn't know that actually happen.
The minecraft fanbase is very obnoxious (usually filled with cringy *** 9 or 10 year old kids, and I don't think anyone wants the smash community to be toxicated because of that). I won't care if Steve in Smash, but it's kinda sad that he is being shut down even though he has a lot of potential to be a unique character with an intresting gimmick (maybe using his crafting table). Yet again, he would look extremely weird and out of place compared to the other characters and he might cause the minecraft fan base to come over to smash, and nobody wants that.

Steve? has a significant chance of making it because of how popular it is and how Minecraft is on every recent Nintendo Console.
To be fair most of us were really cringy kids growing up lol.

Ura Ura was no exception.
Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
No Wild Link. That's for sure. If YLink can't get in by the merit that he would be another child Link then BoTW is also blocked on the merit that he's another adult Link. Don't know much about BoTW because I haven't played it yet.

Xenoblade 2 could have one of their main protags in the next Smash game/port. Probably Pyra because Xenoblade already has a male character and ma waifus.

No FE please and thank you.
 
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The voting gauntlet doxxing thing never actually happened, FYI. Literally zero proof was provided. I could swear I told you that once before.

The fanbase can get wildly toxic but let's not use fake reasons as to why.
So that one tweet was simply a toxic joke. I DO know an artist who worked on Heroes put their twitter account on private after harassment though
 

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So that one tweet was simply a toxic joke. I DO know an artist who worked on Heroes put their twitter account on private after harassment though
Yeah, and that's another example of it being toxic. It was Halloween Nowi, by the way, to give context.



But yeah, that's kind of my point. People can harp on the Minecraft fanbase all they want, but to use it as a reason to be against Steve being in Smash is ridiculous. Metroid's fanbase is toxically unpleasable and hostile. Pokémon, Fire Emblem, and Sonic have generational in-fighting (Gen I vs Everything Else, pre-3DS vs 3DS, 2D vs 3D...), and Smash has the worst aspects of both.

Minecraft's worst crime is having a fanbase that skews young, so the issues present there are the typical things that kids will look back and cringe at when they get older. But at the same time, it's not the Minecraft fanbase that gets news articles written about cases of sexual assault at tournaments.

I'll say it once more: the Smash fanbase is infinitely worse than the Minecraft fanbase, and that's coming from a Smash fan who isn't into Minecraft.
 

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Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?
Best fanbase is Donkey Kong Country's, oh and MOTHER's. So we SHOULD of course have new characters included from those franchises!!!!!.......

I'll be looking forward using K.Rool, Rambi, Lanky Kong, Porky, Poo and Flint in this next Smash! :awesome:
 

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Best fanbase is Donkey Kong Country's, oh and MOTHER's. So we SHOULD of course have new characters included from those franchises!!!!!.......

I'll be looking forward using K.Rool, Rambi, Lanky Kong, Porky, Poo and Flint in this next Smash! :awesome:
Breh Nintendo has roasted Mother fans both literally and figuratively during an E3 Direct, they don't care
 

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Enjoy your Steve bashing now, because if he ever gets in (which I’m not counting on, but you never know), like all divisive choices before him, dissenting opinions will become criminal.

Toxic fanbase indeed!
 
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Yeah, and that's another example of it being toxic. It was Halloween Nowi, by the way, to give context.



But yeah, that's kind of my point. People can harp on the Minecraft fanbase all they want, but to use it as a reason to be against Steve being in Smash is ridiculous. Metroid's fanbase is toxically unpleasable and hostile. Pokémon, Fire Emblem, and Sonic have generational in-fighting (Gen I vs Everything Else, pre-3DS vs 3DS, 2D vs 3D...), and Smash has the worst aspects of both.

Minecraft's worst crime is having a fanbase that skews young, so the issues present there are the typical things that kids will look back and cringe at when they get older. But at the same time, it's not the Minecraft fanbase that gets news articles written about cases of sexual assault at tournaments.

I'll say it once more: the Smash fanbase is infinitely worse than the Minecraft fanbase, and that's coming from a Smash fan who isn't into Minecraft.
You know, in a way you are actually right. Just think about when a die - hard Melee fan hears some one saw "Brawl is better lol". The thing is Minecraft fan base has all of the sins of a a fan base mixed into one game in a larger extent except preteens fill the area.

Wait someone got sexually assaulted in a Smash tournament? That is just messed up. The games that usually have a good fan base are the ones that do not get a lot of popularity. Even Mario has a bad fan base. We as a Smash community could improve.

Master Chief would be the optimal Microsoft character to make it in Smash; he is a large gaming icon.
 

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Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans. Definitely did not massively change or create a genre. Donkey Kong 64(as well as the Donkey Kong Country series) is what made collectathons iconic. Even Super Mario 64 did a massive change to the design within the 3D era. B&K are great, but they respectively didn't do really anything for the genre overall. They just improved upon DK64's really poor formula, but not enough to severely stand out for gamers around the world.

The character is given way more credit than is due. It's a popular choice, sure, among a vocal minority. Honestly, their only chance would either be the ballot or "no other choice was viable". Probably a bit more viable than a Battletoad for moveset potential, but even they're more iconic.
If I recall, Battletoads was iconic for being one of the most brutally hard video games ever created. Times sure have changed since the NES era though.
 

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If I recall, Battletoads was iconic for being one of the most brutally hard video games ever created. Times sure have changed since the NES era though.
I was talking about Banjo & Kazooie.

But I couldn't remember exactly what Battletoads were iconic for, though. Thank you. They definitely helped the beat 'em up genre, though. I wouldn't say they made as much of a difference as Halo, Minecraft, and Killer Instinct, but they still helped define the "extremely hard beat 'em up idea".
 
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Enjoy your Steve bashing now, because if he ever gets in (which I’m not counting on, but you never know), like all divisive choices before him, dissenting opinions will become criminal.

Toxic fanbase indeed!


Bring it on.
 

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Honestly... Steve in Smash?

I don't know. I don't think I care.
If he did make it in... Cool? I guess? ... I'm sure that I would be a little bit bummed out or like what the hell, but I'm sure that I would grow to appreciate him, like I do with pretty much every character that makes it in towards the end.

I do not wish for his inclusion, but all I say is that, if it happens, so what... I can't change the decision of Nintendo anyway, they are making the game, and whatever I do, it won't matter, so really, even if I don't care for the character, I'm sure I will become ok with it at some point.

All I really care about is K. Rool anyways. (After that, anything goes, and I support a lot of characters too for that matter.)
 
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