Pakky
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At this point, Minecraft is too big to ignore.People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.
Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
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At this point, Minecraft is too big to ignore.People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.
Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
You make a very good point. I would rather have Master Cheif in Smash because it would attract to the more mature fans who play Smash, but if there is one thing we all must learn it is that Nintendo wants to appeal to the casual side more because one thing: There are much more casual gamers than competitive gamers. More money for Nintendo! There are so many casual gamers in Minecraft it would probably increase Smash for Switch's revenue because it would appeal to the many Minecraft fans. Minecraft appeared on more Nintendo platforms than Halo did. I would be pretty interesting to see Steve's moveset because there are so many tools in Minecraft. Master Cheif would be a nice addition in Smash though; maybe both Steve and Master Cheif. Minecraft already sold like one hundred twenty five million copies! Minecraft is also the second most selling game in the entire world. Minecraft and Tetris are the only games to sell over a hundred million copies. So I agree with you, and good post!People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.
Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
I didn't say I wanted Steve at all. Personally I would much rather have Master Chief if the choice were mine to make.You make a very good point. I would rather have Master Cheif in Smash because it would attract to the more mature fans who play Smash, but if there is one thing we all must learn it is that Nintendo wants to appeal to the casual side more because one thing: There are much more casual gamers than competitive gamers. More money for Nintendo! There are so many casual gamers in Minecraft it would probably increase Smash for Switch's revenue because it would appeal to the many Minecraft fans. Minecraft appeared on more Nintendo platforms than Halo did. I would be pretty interesting to see Steve's moveset because there are so many tools in Minecraft. Master Cheif would be a nice addition in Smash though; maybe both Steve and Master Cheif. Minecraft already sold like one hundred twenty five million copies! Minecraft is also the second most selling game in the entire world. Minecraft and Tetris are the only games to sell over a hundred million copies. So I agree with you, and good post!
It makes me cringe too. I do not want the majority of the Minecraft fan base flooding in the Smash community. You all know how the Minecraft fanbase can be.......Steve....
Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
On that note, sixty-four characters sounds, well, appropriate. I mean after all, we did get a console with 64 on it, right? I can't believe we might actually reach, if not surpass that number. I should try to make a 64 roster.Without any context on the game's development, I don't think we have any good way of guessing, we don't know if they're using the same engine as Smash 4 or not, what the dev team's focusing on and so on but, without counting any potential DLC, my guess'll be 72. Why? Because I like how 72 sounds, there's no rhyme or reason behind it.
Smash 4's DLCs likely set the tone for what we can expect for future DLCs, popular veterans, promotional characters, and third-party additions. Like Lucas, I expect our veterans to be planned before release.Cuts would be a whole lot easier to handle if they were finished and released for free or even for cheap as DLC. Like, I get that Wolf was low priority and I know Ice Climbers had problems but I would've payed a couple of bucks to have them back. I would've bought the game twice if it meant we got Snake. Sakurai's stance on that really bothered me to be honest.
Maybe if we believe hard enough, K. Rool will be revealed as the second highest ballot character and he'll get in this game, right?I still have hope for K.Rool. DK never geta anything.
As far as big franchises are concerned, the only one that I could see missing out on a title before Smash Switch gets released is Donkey Kong.I've already given my thoughts on cuts in my previous post.
As for newcomers, no idea. I will say that I feel like we're in a better position than we were with Smash 4. The time between Brawl and Smash 4 was a dormant period for most franchises. I think just about every big franchise will have gotten a new title (or have a new title in production) by the time Smash 5 is announced.
I will drink to that.Bomberman deserves to be the next 3rd party character
Also Cloud actually appeared on Nintendo consoles prior to being in Smash. Master Chief has not and last time I checked, being a video game-originated character and having an appearance on a Nintendo console are prerequisites.Master Chief and Cloud are not comparable.
Cloud isn't owned by Sony, he's a Square-Enix character.
It doesn't matter that his game is Sony-exclusive, he himself and the series he's from are not.
That's one part of Smash 4's speculation that I don't miss. I can still remember the comments from 6 year-olds from when I was on Miiverse.....Steve....
Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
This is why Dixie Kong support needs to be far more vocal. And I choose to be more vocal about her. Because I still think Dixie would be a great addition, yet without strong support she might simply not get in there. Even if Tropical Freeze has made her more relevant now. I still am anxious she isn't gonna be in this next Smash.Maybe if we believe hard enough, K. Rool will be revealed as the second highest ballot character and he'll get in this game, right?
...right?
I mean at this point, it's the only way we're getting a third DK character.
That's my reaction to Goku or anymore Fire Emblem characters in the next Smash.....Steve....
Never will that idea not make me cringe.....
I'd take the full Fire Emblem Heroes roster over Steve and Goku.That's my reaction to Goku or anymore Fire Emblem characters in the next Smash.
Although i'd take Steve over Goku any day of the week.
For me it's Steve >>> FE >>>>> GokuI'd take the full Fire Emblem Heroes roster over Steve and Goku.
Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans. Definitely did not massively change or create a genre. Donkey Kong 64(as well as the Donkey Kong Country series) is what made collectathons iconic. Even Super Mario 64 did a massive change to the design within the 3D era. B&K are great, but they respectively didn't do really anything for the genre overall. They just improved upon DK64's really poor formula, but not enough to severely stand out for gamers around the world.What about Banjo Kazooie? Not every Microsoft owned choice has to be a terrible one!
Yes, the generation that grew up with, y'know, Super Smash Bros.Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans.
Actually the only people complaining about Xeniverse 2 are an extremely minority. The game was very well received by critics and it has already outsold both X and the original.Regarding the poll, I think public reception to Xenoblade 2 killed any chances of a newcomer from that game. If it became a runaway success, it'd be way more likely, but reception has been lukewarm to kinda meh.
You gotta expect the unexpected for Smash now. Chances are, the characters you really like and put the most energy, support into won't make it.People are sleeping on Steve's chances methinks.
Wouldn't be surprised if he popped out of no where come Smash 5 or whatever.
Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
You have a solid point, but those other fan bases you mentioned ( except for the Sonic fan base ) have more proper quality and are less obnoxious than the Minecraft fan bases. The statement I said about how the fan bases have more quality does not apply to the Sonic fan base; the Sonic fan base is in the same level as the Minecraft fan base. Those other fan bases can be wild, but to a lesser extent.Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?
The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteensQuestion for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
You have a solid point, but those other fan bases you mentioned ( except for the Sonic fan base ) have more proper quality and are less obnoxious than the Minecraft fan bases. Except for the Sonic fan base; that is in the same level as the Minecraft fan base. Those other fan bases can be wild, but to a lesser extent.
I just don't want Steve period.I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
And none of this makes them iconic to gaming as a whole(what Sakurai actually was referring to, which is why he used the term "gaming history", which does actually refer to more than iconic, obviously), now does it?Yes, the generation that grew up with, y'know, Super Smash Bros.
It's a generation very often overlooked and it was the start of Smash as a series as a whole.
I don't care about your Cloud comparison. Cloud is the exception, not the rule. Banjo-Kazooie was a beloved N64 game and one of that generation's biggest gems in gaming. That alone means it's iconic. That they aren't anymore is all due because of the buy-out of Rare.
A Banjo-Kazooie playable appearance would be a huge sign towards a Nintendo-Rare restoration in relationships, and perhaps even a new headstart. This is my biggest reason of wanting them in there. Even Microsoft gave their approval. And it's an actual mascot owned by Microsoft that has direct ties with Nintendo; namely through Diddy Kong Racing.
Banjo-Kazooie is a good choice for a Microsoft-owned character. Not even Cloud is Sony-owned, but completely by Square-Enix, and Snake has been outrightely removed. I don't see why everyone is claymoring to Cloud's appearance so adamantly, cause I really cannot see such a addition happening yet again. In all actuality, Cloud seems one of the more likely 3rd party characters to get booted.
Xc2 - Haven’t gotten into it yet, but the main guy, Rex seems a good pick. I mean Cross isn’t bad, but he might just be too customizable of a character to work. Granted we still got Corrin and Robin.Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
The minecraft fanbase is very obnoxious (usually filled with cringy ass 9 or 10 year old kids, and I don't think anyone wants the smash community to be toxicated because of that). I won't care if Steve in Smash, but it's kinda sad that he is being shut down even though he has a lot of potential to be a unique character with an intresting gimmick (maybe using his crafting table). Yet again, he would look extremely weird and out of place compared to the other characters and he might cause the minecraft fan base to come over to smash, and nobody wants that.I know you and I all are cringing from Steve being in Smash because of one thing: the fan base
I would cringe if Steve made it because his game has an obnoxious fan base.
If Steve's game had a calm and peaceful fan base than maybe Steve would not be such a bad addition because in Minecraft, there are so many tools and tricks in that game to justify Steve's moveset. We all know he would use a bow and sword but what else would he use? There are so many possibilities.
I am not saying that I want Steve in Smash.
The voting gauntlet doxxing thing never actually happened, FYI. Literally zero proof was provided. I could swear I told you that once before.The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteens
I mean the characters I really support never really stood a chance outside Brawl.You gotta expect the unexpected for Smash now. Chances are, the characters you really like and put the most energy, support into won't make it.
Wha?The Fire Emblem fan base doxxed people for liking a character and sent people who worked on the games death threats. Think that's worse than preteens
To be fair most of us were really cringy kids growing up lol.The minecraft fanbase is very obnoxious (usually filled with cringy *** 9 or 10 year old kids, and I don't think anyone wants the smash community to be toxicated because of that). I won't care if Steve in Smash, but it's kinda sad that he is being shut down even though he has a lot of potential to be a unique character with an intresting gimmick (maybe using his crafting table). Yet again, he would look extremely weird and out of place compared to the other characters and he might cause the minecraft fan base to come over to smash, and nobody wants that.
Steve? has a significant chance of making it because of how popular it is and how Minecraft is on every recent Nintendo Console.
No Wild Link. That's for sure. If YLink can't get in by the merit that he would be another child Link then BoTW is also blocked on the merit that he's another adult Link. Don't know much about BoTW because I haven't played it yet.Question for everyone; what BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Fire Emblem would you want the most in Smash for Switch?
So that one tweet was simply a toxic joke. I DO know an artist who worked on Heroes put their twitter account on private after harassment thoughThe voting gauntlet doxxing thing never actually happened, FYI. Literally zero proof was provided. I could swear I told you that once before.
The fanbase can get wildly toxic but let's not use fake reasons as to why.
Yeah, and that's another example of it being toxic. It was Halloween Nowi, by the way, to give context.So that one tweet was simply a toxic joke. I DO know an artist who worked on Heroes put their twitter account on private after harassment though
Best fanbase is Donkey Kong Country's, oh and MOTHER's. So we SHOULD of course have new characters included from those franchises!!!!!.......Are we just gonna ignore how toxic the Pokémon, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Metroid fan bases are, then? Or hell, Smash's own fan base, for that matter?
Breh Nintendo has roasted Mother fans both literally and figuratively during an E3 Direct, they don't careBest fanbase is Donkey Kong Country's, oh and MOTHER's. So we SHOULD of course have new characters included from those franchises!!!!!.......
I'll be looking forward using K.Rool, Rambi, Lanky Kong, Porky, Poo and Flint in this next Smash!
FixedBest fanbase is Kirby's
I'm a living testament to this.like all divisive choices before him, dissenting opinions will become criminal.
You know, in a way you are actually right. Just think about when a die - hard Melee fan hears some one saw "Brawl is better lol". The thing is Minecraft fan base has all of the sins of a a fan base mixed into one game in a larger extent except preteens fill the area.Yeah, and that's another example of it being toxic. It was Halloween Nowi, by the way, to give context.
But yeah, that's kind of my point. People can harp on the Minecraft fanbase all they want, but to use it as a reason to be against Steve being in Smash is ridiculous. Metroid's fanbase is toxically unpleasable and hostile. Pokémon, Fire Emblem, and Sonic have generational in-fighting (Gen I vs Everything Else, pre-3DS vs 3DS, 2D vs 3D...), and Smash has the worst aspects of both.
Minecraft's worst crime is having a fanbase that skews young, so the issues present there are the typical things that kids will look back and cringe at when they get older. But at the same time, it's not the Minecraft fanbase that gets news articles written about cases of sexual assault at tournaments.
I'll say it once more: the Smash fanbase is infinitely worse than the Minecraft fanbase, and that's coming from a Smash fan who isn't into Minecraft.
If I recall, Battletoads was iconic for being one of the most brutally hard video games ever created. Times sure have changed since the NES era though.Nowhere near that iconic. Has a very small gaming history and is only really relevant to n64 fans. Definitely did not massively change or create a genre. Donkey Kong 64(as well as the Donkey Kong Country series) is what made collectathons iconic. Even Super Mario 64 did a massive change to the design within the 3D era. B&K are great, but they respectively didn't do really anything for the genre overall. They just improved upon DK64's really poor formula, but not enough to severely stand out for gamers around the world.
The character is given way more credit than is due. It's a popular choice, sure, among a vocal minority. Honestly, their only chance would either be the ballot or "no other choice was viable". Probably a bit more viable than a Battletoad for moveset potential, but even they're more iconic.
I was talking about Banjo & Kazooie.If I recall, Battletoads was iconic for being one of the most brutally hard video games ever created. Times sure have changed since the NES era though.
Enjoy your Steve bashing now, because if he ever gets in (which I’m not counting on, but you never know), like all divisive choices before him, dissenting opinions will become criminal.
Toxic fanbase indeed!