Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Cosmic77]

Before anyone says Greninja and Mewtwo are not likely to come back, they will for sure. Greninja may be from "X and Y", but he get a new form in Gen 7 and Mewtwo is still really popular; probably more popular than Lucario. Mewtwo and Greninja are guaranteed to come back.

Careful. I'm sure Mewtwo himself has a few words about being "guaranteed to come back".

What pokemon do you think is the most likely to be in Smash for Switch? It could be Incineroar, Decidueye or Lycanroc possibly because they are very popular and recognizable. I think Decideye even made it into the new Pokken Tournament DX. I would prefer Marshadow over the three Pokemon mentioned but we will see.

A Gen VIII Pokémon is most likely, but if Sakurai were to choose a Gen VII too, I'm rooting for a Lycanroc form. I'd really like for Sakurai to pull another Lucario on us and make a Pokémon character from a newer Gen that isn't related to a starter.

 

[Schnee117]

In WHAT way exactly is Metal Gear Solid in any shape or form more important to Nintendo as a whole than Donkey Kong ****ing Country?

Moving the goalposts again I see. The biggest character in Brawl without Sonic would not be Diddy. There's Snake and Pokemon Trainer.

So insecure you NEED to be right

Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. I'm not getting worked up over a character in a video game.

It was a nice summer morning, turned 17 less than a month before this, and here was THE ONE Smash update I was looking forward to since learning that the Ness silhouette in Smash 64 wasn't in fact Diddy:

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Notice the 'finally joined the battle' part?

Notice the resemblance to Donkey Kong 64? A game that's, y'know old news by the time Brawl was released?

Absense of his throphy? Rare buyout happening during Melee's development? Donkey Kong still being 100% based on DKC and all related stages and items?

You are kidding yourself that Diddy wasn't on the developer's mind and early drawings of the game.

I don't need your life story nor your ramblings about Brawl when we're talking about Melee.

Lots of signs point to a playable role of Diddy which didn't get to fruitation.

Not really. But then again I don't wear tinfoil hats.

Step away from whatever device you're using and calm the **** down lmao. You're barely even thinking straight.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, it's obvious why Diddy didn't get in Melee. Rare was in a tough spot with licensing issues, and owned Diddy. There's nothing beyond that. Sakurai can't really license him. There's no questioning the idea that he was surely considered, although I don't know if that was ever spoken of, but it's very believable if it was a rumor that he thought about it.

Anyway, as for Ganon and Ganondorf, they may be different forms(and it's possible that Ganondorf is only turned into Ganon for a story reason, one with spoilers I'll note in a sec, but it was clear at the time that he's the main antagonist and obviously they wanted them to be the same person. They made major reasons for it later on in Skyward Sword).

Spoiler

Ganon is the reincarnation of Demise's Hatred. We don't know every detail, like if he also is the reason Ganondorf was born too, being a literal reincarnation. The same curse also happened to have made it so multiple Zeldas and Links continued to get the Triforce, etc. It's all based upon one person. Now, it is theoretically possible that Ganondorf was chosen to become Ganon and they aren't 100% the original same person, just that Ganondorf's spirit was essentially combined with Demise's, which created Ganon. It is notable that Ganondorf can transform into very unique versions of Ganon, all using the Triforce, but depending where he is. In WW, he clearly put his own magic into it, creating a puppet version. TP has him turn into a far more animal-like form befitting the Twilight Realm, which seems to create a more feral version. That or it was more to match the concept of Wolf Link and doesn't have a very clear story reason. In other games, he becomes regular Ganon while in Hyrule or the Dark World. As we know, the Dark World is a corrupted Sacred Realm, but also where Ganondorf first became the Moblin variant of Ganon. Considering the Moblins are also corrupted soldiers within A Link To The Past, matching Ganon's basic design cues, it could be simply the fact he had control of the Dark World and had everyone under his alternate form, Agnahim match his design. For all we know, he created the Moblins with his own magic to be the corrupted forms of his basic soldiers. I don't know if I'm explaining this well enough.

Anyway, the only thing that matters for the purpose of Smash is that Ganon and Ganondorf are the same spirit, which means they're both playable in a technical sense. Moblin Ganon never was, but Ganon is basically always in a pig form, and is nothing more than a Final Smash. And to be honest, unless Moblin Ganon somehow becomes playable(which isn't that likely), it's literally useless to refer to the playable character as only Ganondorf when they're the same guy anyway. We all know who people mean anyway, so it's silly to separate them until they legitimately are separately playable.

 

[Luminario]

Diddy more important to Nintendo than Zelda? Really?

Before anyone says Greninja and Mewtwo are not likely to come back, they will for sure. Greninja may be from "X and Y", but he get a new form in Gen 7 and Mewtwo is still really popular; probably more popular than Lucario. Mewtwo and Greninja are guaranteed to come back. What pokemon do you think is the most likely to be in Smash for Switch? It could be Incineroar, Decidueye or Lycanroc possibly because they are very popular and recognizable. I think Decideye even made it into the new Pokken Tournament DX. I would prefer Marshadow over the three Pokemon mentioned but we will see.

I expect Greninja back the next time around, but as he's a non-Gen 1 starter his chances of coming back fade with each new iteration of Smash and new Pokemon gen. Mewtwo would probably be lower priority than Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Greninja, THEN the new Pokemon fighter, so his chances don't really look spectacular.
My money's still on Mimikyu. That adorable little ghost in a sheet is essentially the Wario to Pokemon's Mario and it's still going strong as one of the most popular Gen 7 Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

I expect Greninja back the next time around, but as he's a non-Gen 1 starter his chances of coming back fade with each new iteration of Smash and new Pokemon gen. Mewtwo would probably be lower priority than Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Greninja, THEN the new Pokemon fighter, so his chances don't really look spectacular.
My money's still on Mimikyu. That adorable little ghost in a sheet is essentially the Wario to Pokemon's Mario and it's still going strong as one of the most popular Gen 7 Pokemon.

Mewtwo is more popular than Lucario I think. Greninja is a maybe; Lucario is probably more popular than Greninja. Greninja is still very popular though. Mimikyu's move set would be like Steve's; interesting and a lot of tools. Maybe it can do fairy stuff and shot out some deadly aura I do not know.

 

[Cosmic77]

Sakurai will have to skip town if he cuts Mewtwo a second time. Not even sure if I'm joking.

 

[RandomAce]

Before anyone says Greninja and Mewtwo are not likely to come back, they will for sure. Greninja may be from "X and Y", but he get a new form in Gen 7 and Mewtwo is still really popular; probably more popular than Lucario. Mewtwo and Greninja are guaranteed to come back. What pokemon do you think is the most likely to be in Smash for Switch? It could be Incineroar, Decidueye or Lycanroc possibly because they are very popular and recognizable. I think Decideye even made it into the new Pokken Tournament DX. I would prefer Marshadow over the three Pokemon mentioned but we will see.

If we were to get another pokemon, I'd prefer Lycanroc since he's been promoted alot more compared to the other two and received a new form and Z-move in USUM. You could also say a Gen VIII pokemon might be possible since it was confirmed that a new pokemon game is being made for the Nintendo Switch, but it's still too early to say if it's a new region or a remaster of an old game, and it's too soon for a new generation since the first Gen VII games have only been out for a year.

I think it's safe to assume that Lycanroc will get in. (He's also my favorite pokemon, but I tried to be as unbiased as possible.)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sakurai will have to skip town if he cuts Mewtwo a second time. Not even sure if I'm joking.

A third time. He was cut in Brawl, then didn't make it in Smash 4's base roster due to being unable to easily recreate him(data was too old). In every game, he was considered or almost would've made it in, if circumstances didn't change it.

I wouldn't even be surprised if he get cuts again, but I don't think it's that likely. Him and Greninja are the only ones I feel have iffy chances of making it back, but then again, Greninja is just too popular now and pushed heavily. So that leaves only Mewtwo with lower priority as per normal. Jigglypuff has pretty much been consistently higher priority than him(due to ease of creation, which is logical for a developer anyway).

 

[CAUP]

I wanted to post my thoughts on what I am guessing smash 5 will be like.

I think it will be different from other smash games in that it will be more similar to the last entry than any before. I'm guessing the engine will be pretty similar to smash 4, more similar than smash 4 was to brawl. Casual and competitive players received smash 4 well enough that no major changes will be made engine wise to smash 5, for better or for worse. The only exception I can really see would maybe be rage going away but who knows.

Melee added side b s to smash and I am guessing smash 5 will add something similar to mix things up. Some new move every character has. I don't know what that would be and I'm not positive with this prediction but it would make sense. It would go a long way to make things feel more fresh. Custom moves might be part of this, I don't know.

I bet the graphics will be improved in smash 5 and aesthetically, things will be a tad darker. Think smash 64 to melee, not melee to brawl.

Also I think a lot of characters who are in smash 4 will remain pretty unchanged in smash 5. With exceptions. Smash 4 isn't getting anymore balance patches- that will be smash 5. I think the top tiers in smash five will be brought down a little bit and the low tiers will be brought up. Also, I bet we will see some characters being restructured pretty liberally. Mostly characters that aren't that fun to play in smash 4 because they sort of don't work. Also, since a lot of the cast will be the same I am guessing, some characters will get completely new moves to change things up and keep them fresh.

For the characters, I bet several characters from smash 4 will be removed. Mostly the egregious clones and some of the more obscure characters which most people won't miss. These will be replaced by new comers. I can see Ice Climbers coming back, probably completely restructured with no possible room for infinites. I bet they'll be about 10 to 15 new characters. Also I can imagine DLC which is marketed as legacy packages which include two or three of the characters taken out of smash 4. For newcomers, I think characters from Arms and Splatoon are basically shoe ins. Also probably expanded third party characters. I can see Shovel Knight too.

I can see a Sub Space Emissary like mode coming back but not in as huge a way as Sub Space Emissary. Also I think there will be a greater emphasis on multiplayer online mode. Like capture the flag and four v four teams battles and stuff like that on exclusive maps. There might even be modes larger than eight players smash. Like 16 player smash on huge maps where you can't see the whole screen at once.

I bet smash 5 will be pretty similar to smash 4 and have a shorter development cycle than usual, similar to melee but not as extreme. I bet smash 6 will be a complete change for the series, where they dive in some completely new direction. So smash 5 will try to polish and perfect what smash 4 did, while adding some interesting new ingredients.

What do people think?

 

[Staarih]

What pokemon do you think is the most likely to be in Smash for Switch?

I feel like out of Gen 7, Mimikyu and Lycanroc have the most ever-lasting appeal and I’m betting on either of those. Mimikyu will always have that anti-Pikachu, misunderstood thing going on which can be worked around in so many ways. Lycanroc, to me, with the special attention it has gotten, has a very Lucario-esque aura so I think it’ll remain popular. Both are heavily featured in the anime as well.

I could see the new furry mythical getting major attention as well if its (probable) movie appearance goes down well.

Pokémon is pretty iffy right now though with new games coming to the Switch and all so it’s really hard to predict.

 

[Pakky]

Sakurai will have to skip town if he cuts Mewtwo a second time. Not even sure if I'm joking.

Honestly, the Pokken version is better than the smash version.

Gen 7 ain't getting into Smash.

Lucario should maybe go, Greninja pretty much covers two gens and makes *cough* sense then well whatever Sakurai has done with Lucario. His playstyle encourages you to lose so you can win. What is that?

Naw, kick him out keep the frog and add someone from gen 8

 

[Lukingordex]

I bet smash 5 will be pretty similar to smash 4 and have a shorter development cycle than usual, similar to melee but not as extreme. I bet smash 6 will be a complete change for the series, where they dive in some completely new direction. So smash 5 will try to polish and perfect what smash 4 did, while adding some interesting new ingredients.

What do people think?

So you're saying that "Smash 5" will basically be a smash 4 port for switch with new content and some changes?

 

[CAUP]

Yeah basically. I mean I do think it will feel like a new smash game, they'll make sure of that, but it will be pretty darn similar to smash 4, at least engine wise.

 

[Pakky]

Yeah basically. I mean I do think it will feel like a new smash game, they'll make sure of that, but it will be pretty darn similar to smash 4, at least engine wise.

I kind of want a Subspace thing, the Mario Party trash is bad.

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, the Pokken version is better than the smash version.

Gen 7 ain't getting into Smash.

Lucario should maybe go, Greninja pretty much covers two gens and makes *cough* sense then well whatever Sakurai has done with Lucario. His playstyle encourages you to lose so you can win. What is that?

Naw, kick him out keep the frog and add someone from gen 8

Lucario isn't going anywhere. That guy has been featured in every game and plastered on every advertisement since Game Freak realized he was popular. Between the two, Greninja is more likely to go.

 

[Ura]

What do you guys think would happen if Mike Jones got in to Smash 64 instead of ?

As in how would it effect the future of both series? Would Earthbound/Mother be nearly as popular as it is today? Would Startropics grow in to a solid B tier Nintendo franchise?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Moving the goalposts again I see. The biggest character in Brawl without Sonic would not be Diddy. There's Snake and Pokemon Trainer.

Snake? No. Pokemon Trainer? Also no cause it was Charizard alone who was important. No one really cares much about Squirtle and especially Ivysaur. The least talked about veterans with a unique moveset who where ever cut from the roster. Snake wasn't important either to Nintendo as a whole. He was the biggest surprise yeah, but that's all.

Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. I'm not getting worked up over a character in a video game.

Yeah playing that card, sure. Am not getting worked up either, I speak of thing of the past I personally found upsetting. There's been 2 Smash games since which had Diddy. Am not mad about this since 2001.

I don't need your life story nor your ramblings about Brawl when we're talking about Melee.

Great way of ignoring every thing I said.

Not really. But then again I don't wear tinfoil hats.

Step away from whatever device you're using and calm the **** down lmao. You're barely even thinking straight.

Now we're the psychologist and mental health coach. Yeah sure am a conspiracy nut, even admit to it myself. It's common knowledge by now that Diddy didn't make Melee soley because of the Rare buyout.

Anyway, great showcase yet again why this community is becoming increasingly toxic by the day.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What do you guys think would happen if Mike Jones got in to Smash 64 instead of ?

As in how would it effect the future of both series? Would Earthbound/Mother be nearly as popular as it is today? Would Startropics grow in to a solid B tier Nintendo franchise?

Well, we wouldn't have gotten Lucas(although maybe Ness could've come in Melee and Lucas later?), and Mother 1 wouldn't have seen its worldwide release. A lot would change. Startropics probably would've continued. Mother would've still had Mother 3, likely, but I think Itoi had intended to make 3 games, so Smash probably didn't affect this at all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I suggest dropping the argument if one can't conduct it seriously.

Calling people toxic, insecure, tinfoil hatters, etc doesn't exactly facilitate discussion. Go ahead if you'd like, but don't bother if you can't do it with some level of civility.


And for pete's sake can we please get the Dedede/Wario misinformation squared away?


There is currently no info on Dedede being planned for melee, and Wario is iffy at best. Even with the clones not being added, Wario would not have made it in.
http://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/29/duflupdate/
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/08/01/smash-clones/

If you've got a more updated source go ahead of course.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

So here's a good question. A few weeks ago, Nintendo revealed that Odyssey has been purchased by more than half of Nintendo Switch owners and has sold over 5 million copies in just six weeks. A week or so after that, it was revealed that Odyssey, after eight weeks, has already become Japan's best-selling 3D Mario game, beating out the previous owner of that title, 3D Land. Given the success of Odyssey, do you think Sakurai will try to add an unexpected newcomer like Cappy or Pauline just for the sake of having a character who can represent the game, or do you think a new move for Mario and/or a new stage is the most we'll get out of this?

Odyssey stage, New Donk City is the pick of the bunch! And rejig Mario's move set to incorporate various Odyssey traits. Not sure if Pauline/Cappy could have enough source material to be a full blown character?

Pauline at a stretch, but I'd rather leave the Arcade Donkey Kong representation to a newcomer called Cranky Kong

I wanted to post my thoughts on what I am guessing smash 5 will be like.
What do people think?

My quick wishlist below, not expecting changes of this magnitude or characters to be cut twice at all, but anyway, you've gotta aim high!:

Modes/Features:

A proper adventure mode, Smash Run, Break the Targets, more detailed stats with For Glory, Smash Tower mode idea which has been floated about before.

Roster:

Out:

Lucina
Roy
Dark Pit
Doc
Lucas
Mii x3
Greninja

In:

Veterans:

Wolf
Snake
Ice Climbers

New:

Inkling
Rayman
Arms rep
New Xenoblade character
New and "unique" FE character
New Pokemon rep from most recent gen.
New Pokemon Trainer
Another Zelda rep that isn't a Link
Another Animal Crossing rep.
One of Captain Toad, Waluigi or Geno
K. Rool or Dixie Kong
Bomberman
Simon Belmont or Takamaru
Shovel Knight
Ridley

Declone Ganondorf, fix Wario to better rep Wario Land, rejig Falco, Sheik back to Zelda ala Brawl while we're at it.

Haven't thought about others like Crash, Banjo Kazooie,etc

 

[Diddy Kong]

Honestly. Why would the cut Lucas, and re-add Wolf? If Lucas made the DLC roster as one of the more popular veterans, and Wolf didn't?

Things like these don't make sense.

I'd MUCH RATHER keep Snake, the Ice Climbers, and even Wolf out if they could keep the likes of Lucas, Roy, Greninja, Ike or Toon Link.

 

[Opossum]

Honestly I don't think Lucas, Roy, OR Wolf is going to be in the base game of Smash 5. DLC, maybe, but hell no to base game.

 

[Pakky]

Lucario isn't going anywhere. That guy has been featured in every game and plastered on every advertisement since Game Freak realized he was popular. Between the two, Greninja is more likely to go.

Ash Greninja has me pensive.

Then again.Pokken.

Odyssey stage, New Donk City is the pick of the bunch! And rejig Mario's move set to incorporate various Odyssey traits. Not sure if Pauline/Cappy could have enough source material to be a full blown character?

Pauline at a stretch, but I'd rather leave the Arcade Donkey Kong representation to a newcomer called Cranky Kong



My quick wishlist below, not expecting changes of this magnitude or characters to be cut twice at all, but anyway, you've gotta aim high!:

Modes/Features:

A proper adventure mode, Smash Run, Break the Targets, more detailed stats with For Glory, Smash Tower mode idea which has been floated about before.

Roster:

Out:

Lucina
Roy
Dark Pit
Doc
Lucas
Mii x3
Greninja

In:

Veterans:

Wolf
Snake
Ice Climbers

New:

Inkling
Rayman
Arms rep
New Xenoblade character
New and "unique" FE character
New Pokemon rep from most recent gen.
New Pokemon Trainer
Another Zelda rep that isn't a Link
Another Animal Crossing rep.
One of Captain Toad, Waluigi or Geno
K. Rool or Dixie Kong
Bomberman
Simon Belmont or Takamaru
Shovel Knight
Ridley

Declone Ganondorf, fix Wario to better rep Wario Land, rejig Falco, Sheik back to Zelda ala Brawl while we're at it.

Haven't thought about others like Crash, Banjo Kazooie,etc and additional characters for Sonic, Street Fighter,etc.

For Pauline look too Mario vs DK

Cappy Should replace FLUDD


Really why do we need Sheik when Impa has been in every game?

Also Why not Tingle

 

[Deleted member]

has a very Lucario-esque aura

I'm pretty sure the Aura is with only Lucario. :V

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Ash Greninja has me pensive.

Really why do we need Sheik when Impa has been in every game?

Also Why not Tingle

I'd prefer Impa, one reason is I do not know enough about Tingle to comment on him. If push came to shove Sheik would be in the next round of cuts.

Honestly. Why would the cut Lucas, and re-add Wolf? If Lucas made the DLC roster as one of the more popular veterans, and Wolf didn't?

I was harsh with cuts in order to fit in some new blood in overall, so unfortunately, Lucas and Greninja were two cuts. To be honest didn't look at popularity amongst veterans, aside from the rerelease of Earthbound on the SNES mini the seriesisn't active. Plus I prefer Wolf and Snake over Lucas

What would your ideal roster look like?

 

[Pakky]

How do you all feel about Porky Mich?

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

How do you all feel about Porky Mich?

Personally I don't think Porky would make for an ideal newcomer for a new Smash Bros. I'd prefer it if he stayed as a boss or became a stage hazard in something like a remixed version of New Pork City, mainly since his mech would probably be too problematic to fit the chaotic nature of Smash Bros if he were playable, unlike Bowser Jr. and the Clown Cart. I doubt he'd have much of a chance to be added as a new MOTHER/EarthBound character despite his importance to both Ness and Lucas' games, since I think that's one franchise that's pretty unlikely to see a new character or instalment anytime soon. Maybe if we somehow got a "Mother 3" Remake with modern flair like Gaiden to Echoes, but I doubt that's ever happening.

In the end, I'd rather Porky appear for at least a 'Boss Rush' Mode again.

*sighs* A Boss Rush mode wouldn't be too bad - either take some of the playable characters and give them unique modifiers like in Classic Mode 'Metal,' 'Giant,' 'Invisible,' 'Multi-Man...' or fight more memorable Nintendo bosses from other games, like Metal Face, Kraid, Mother Brain... But that's just me thinking aloud. I doubt we'd see a boss rush unless we get an Adventure Mode like Subspace Emissary again.

 

[Pakky]

Okay here's another

Eggman, Metal Sonic, or Shadow


To me:

Eggman: interesting could be more than just "Another Bowser Jr." but that is a good template to use.

Metal: Is a classic and can be made to be different from Sonic fairly easily without outshining Sonic.

Shadow: Fans want him I think, however, he would just be 'better Sonic' in a lot of aspects so, not my cup of tea.

 

[NintenRob]

I don't really want any third party franchises getting more than one character, especially when we already have so many third party characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay here's another

Eggman, Metal Sonic, or Shadow


To me:

Eggman: interesting could be more than just "Another Bowser Jr." but that is a good template to use.

Metal: Is a classic and can be made to be different from Sonic fairly easily without outshining Sonic.

Shadow: Fans want him I think, however, he would just be 'better Sonic' in a lot of aspects so, not my cup of tea.

I know it is just speculation, but none of them are my cup of tea; Eggman would be slightly too big for Smash, and Metal / Shadow would just be clones of Sonic except looking different. I am not discrediting you, I am just saying my opinion.

I don't really want any third party franchises getting more than one character, especially when we already have so many third party characters.

I agree with this; we already have so many potential third party I would not want to blow it on another Sonic character.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Okay here's another

Eggman, Metal Sonic, or Shadow


To me:

Eggman: interesting could be more than just "Another Bowser Jr." but that is a good template to use.

Metal: Is a classic and can be made to be different from Sonic fairly easily without outshining Sonic.

Shadow: Fans want him I think, however, he would just be 'better Sonic' in a lot of aspects so, not my cup of tea.

I think if we get another Sonic character, Tails and Knuckles would have more priority than Metal Sonic and Shadow because of Mania and the Genesis games.

But between the three you suggested, I say Eggman. He's just way more important than Metal and Shadow (which is why I didn't really say Tails and Knux have more priority than he does), imo, and can actually bring something unique without being broken, unlike Shadow's Chaos Control.

 

[Pakky]

Is Doom Guy too outlandish?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Is Doom Guy too outlandish?

Well, I'd like to say that Smash only has characters made in Japan, but Diddy Kong is a thing and Bethesda actually backed the Switch a lot this year, so...

I'm guessing a Bethesda character, whether it's from Wolfenstein, DOOM or Elder Scrolls (probably Skyrim), isn't as unlikely as we think.

Not saying it's likely though, because I kinda suck at predicting the chances of a character that doesn't feel really likely, like Inkling or Rex.

 

[Pakky]

Well, I'd like to say that Smash only has characters made in Japan, but Diddy Kong is a thing and Bethesda actually backed the Switch a lot this year, so...

I'm guessing a Bethesda character, whether it's from Wolfenstein, DOOM or Elder Scrolls (probably Skyrim), isn't as unlikely as we think.

Not saying it's likely though, because I kinda suck at predicting the chances of a character that doesn't feel really likely, like Inkling or Rex.

Fallout boy would be funny, but the reason I bring up 'DoomGuy' is because as far as shooters go he is the big man on top with the most history

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Fallout boy would be funny, but the reason I bring up 'DoomGuy' is because as far as shooters go he is the big man on top with the most history

He also has a lot of cool weapons to use. I could see the BFG be a Final Smash.

 

[Pakky]

This might be a controversial opinion but ARMS could have four characters and none of them would play 'Exactly' the same.

There are too many weapons and unique abilities between characters for ARMS to be limited to just Springman or Ribbon girl or for them to be swaps of one another.

Pics:

Springman

Ribbon Girl

Max Brass

Dr. Cyole (villain)

 

[Staarih]

So here's a good question. A few weeks ago, Nintendo revealed that Odyssey has been purchased by more than half of Nintendo Switch owners and has sold over 5 million copies in just six weeks. A week or so after that, it was revealed that Odyssey, after eight weeks, has already become Japan's best-selling 3D Mario game, beating out the previous owner of that title, 3D Land. Given the success of Odyssey, do you think Sakurai will try to add an unexpected newcomer like Cappy or Pauline just for the sake of having a character who can represent the game, or do you think a new move for Mario and/or a new stage is the most we'll get out of this?

While I believe BotW will have character representation in the form of a Champion, for some reason I feel like Odyssey will not, maybe just a stage or two, plus trophies and items of course. Though I’d gladly have Cappy incorporated in Mario’s moveset somehow, replacing FLUDD for example, and mostly just visual, no actual capture mechanic. But I dunno.

I’m totally seeing Cappy, Pauline and the Broodals appearing in any future Mario spin-off’s though (Mario Kart).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

This might be a controversial opinion but ARMS could have four characters and none of them would play 'Exactly' the same.

There are too many weapons and unique abilities between characters for ARMS to be limited to just Springman or Ribbon girl or for them to be swaps of one another.

Pics:

Springman

Ribbon Girl

Max Brass

Dr. Cyole (villain)

I love how you say there can be 4 unique characters, then you bring up both Spring Man and Max Brass, the only two characters who happen to be very similar in the entire cast (even Springtron is more unique than Max Brass because of his pulse!)

 

[Pakky]

I love how you say there can be 4 unique characters, then you bring up both Spring Man and Max Brass, the only two characters who happen to be very similar in the entire cast (even Springtron is more unique than Max Brass because of his pulse!)

Well lol, I thought Max Brass's ability to bulk up and give himself super armor was a defining trait. Also, his standard kit gives him a hammer, and an explosion fist. Also, he's more integral to the lore than Sprigntron.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd prefer Impa, one reason is I do not know enough about Tingle to comment on him. If push came to shove Sheik would be in the next round of cuts.

Sheik would be one of my cuts for example honestly. I've been saying this since Brawl. She has overstayed her welcome.

I was harsh with cuts in order to fit in some new blood in overall, so unfortunately, Lucas and Greninja were two cuts. To be honest didn't look at popularity amongst veterans, aside from the rerelease of Earthbound on the SNES mini the seriesisn't active. Plus I prefer Wolf and Snake over Lucas

What would your ideal roster look like?

I would cut most of the 3rd party cast first and foremost. However, I don't think this is realistic at all. This is why up till now, I haven't been able to post a sensible roster in the "ideal / prediction roster thread". I just can't make mine seem believable. And I'll have to compromise a lot, and add characters I wouldn't want in a 'realistic' roster.

However cuts that I would make that DO make sense are; Pac-Man, Cloud, all the Mii Fighters, Wii Fit Trainer, Sheik, Ganondorf and maybe if I could I'd swap Shulk for the new protagonist of Xenoblade. Dark Pit is also a suspect of being cut, but after playing Uprising I think he's able to have a nice moveset of his own. Lucina I'd keep, but would hesitate adding a new Fire Emblem character that isn't DLC. I would revamp Lucina to have a moveset similar to Marth just like Roy has, and add Chrom as an alt. Dr.Mario is fine as is.

If I'd had to cut a character from the Fire Emblem roster, I'd probably kick out either Corrin or Robin. However with all the emphasis on the recent games by Intelligent Systems, I don't think it's a possibility. Fates was huge, had 3 games. Awakening was the revival of the franchise... I think that is a strong Fire Emblem roster. I would add Lyn as a DLC character, and maybe Anna or the new protagonist even.

I think this leaves us with a strong core roster.

Now to the obvious cuts of one side of the roster; The Legend of Zelda. I think this roster is hugely outdated. And we can easily fix it.

or or . It's the exact same thing since 2001. Just a graphical upgrade from Young Link to Toon Link. It's not a real accurate representation of the Zelda roster. In a way, it is. But especially Sheik is a eyesore to me. And since Ganondorf hasn't even changed from Brawl to Smash 4, I wouldn't ever hope on seeing his moveset change, at all. So I would axe both for a better representation of the whole franchise; Impa instead of Sheik, and Ganon instead of Ganondorf.

Impa would have Sheikah magic with a few Sheikah Slate abilities thrown in like Statis, and a projectile reflecting the visuals of the Remote Bombs. She would have a few moves resembling Sheik's, but mostly her Specials would be different. If Sheik is completely removed, she inherrits most of her playstyle. If she stays, Impa will be her own character and a bit slower. Imagine her a mixture of Zelda and Sheik's playstyles with Sheikah magic, a barrier, strong projectiles and above average speed and jumping whilst being very combo-based. BOTW's final DLC even adds some options for her. Avoid talking about it because of spoilers.

Ganon would be unique and be the heaviest character on the roster (also heavier than K.Rool). He'd use his trident and a lot of magic, making him a super heavy weight zoner with a lot of range on his normals as well. Super armor heavy, but a LOT of end lag on his moves. Mostly based on ALBW's Ganon. He's not really realistic, but he's the ideal revamp for Ganondorf that's somewhat realistic. I just don't see them changing GanonDORF, especially since he's absent from BOTW.

Alternatively, I would keep Sheik and Ganondorf but base the whole Zelda roster on Hyrule Warriors. Also adding Impa as a newcomer. Yet, I would also opt for STILL cutting Sheik, keep Impa HW style ,and add a Champion like Daruk or Urbosa. A Champion would likely be DLC however and not on the base roster.

Next come newcomers from excisting franchises:

will be accompanied with Dixie Kong for sure. And K.Rool not really for sure but I really want it happening. If he cannot make the base roster, DLC is a great option for him if he's got lasting popularity, or a new DKC game comes up in the months or year after Smash 5's release. Dixie Kong is a safe bet because of Tropical Freeze. If TF would get ported to Switch however, and no new DKC game gets released with K.Rool, I would make Cranky Kong DLC. 4 characters is not too much for a legendary franchise as Donkey Kong Country.

is solid. But I could opt for adding Slippy Toad as a joke character, because he'd be funny. And it seems very possible honestly.

can come back, I don't really care much. But I am not very excited about at all. They, out of all cut veterans, make the most sense.

COULD be accompanied with Sylux. Keeping that option open for now.

could get Wooly Yoshi, the feather weight, floaty, semi-clone of Yoshi. I think this would be a interessting playstyle for Yoshi's current moveset.

get Bandana Dee. This should've happened in Smash 4 too honestly.

is a strong core. Yet I would add Paper Mario and Captain Toad. It's the biggest and most popular franchise of Nintendo. This is not gonna be a huge problem.

+ is good.

+ Rex is okay. Either is fine too. Would probably keep Shulk instead of having Rex alone.

*sigh* could get a newcomer if am gonna look realistically. If so, I'd want Knuckles. Am not very fond of Sonic, but he's staying no matter what lol. Knuckles is my choice, but Tails would also be cool. No other I would accept because it would make me barf in my mouth.

Pokemon is simply gonna get a newcomer. Jigglypuff could be suspect to a cut if I had to however. But she's very easy to program in so... Yeah, just something new. I dunno. It's all but confirmed we'll have a new Pokemon anyway.

As for new franchises...

ARMS : Gets a fighter. I dislike all 'likely' options, so I won't bother with them.
Splatoon: Inklings

Also add Takamaru, I am not familiar with how his franchise is spelled anymore

Errr, that's it. I REALLY -REALLY OH MY GOD I'D KISS YOUR BARE FEET FOR THE OPPERTUNITY-, want to have Golden Sun represented. But till there's a new game, it's not really gonna be much of a option, unless a miracle happens. If that miracle happens tho, I'd want Isaac playable. And whatever new character might show up, with Matthew being an alt for Isaac.

That's mostly what I would call a ideal roster.

Totally unrealistic choices I'd want in however:

Hector, the Lord of Ostia and leader of the Lycia Alliance. Heavy axe fighter with surprisingly good jumps. Heaviest weapon fighter in the game outside of Ganon. Lots of super armor as well. About as strong as Ike, knockback and damage wise. Just less mobile but good defensive options.

Blastoise Speaks for itself what he'd do. Basically super charged F.L.U.D.D. with a lot of knockback on Hydro Pump.

Banjo-Kazooie: To restore the Rare-Nintendo relationship of old. Moveset based on the first games.

Lanky Kong:

Because just look at him!