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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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This was the 4chan post I was talking about before. Likely fake, but hey, it has IsaBelmont so I might as well, haha.
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It's from Wednesday, so only a bit before Vergeben's bombshell, but it's still probably fake. I'd love it if it turned out to be real though.
 

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Anyways, I haven't provided my thoughts on the possibility of Isabelle being playable for Smash Ultimate.

Isabelle has become one of the main characters within the Animal Crossing series since she was an Assist Trophy in the Wii-U/3DS versions plus she also appeared as a playable racer in Mario Kart 8 and therefore it doesn't exactly surprise me if she is transitioned into a playable character for Ultimate.

DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon - did you document on this two month old leak below the spoiler tag by any chance:

The following information has been compiled over the past month and a half, all information coming from a singular source. Source will not be named for the sake of anonymity. The following list of information contains details on playable characters, character reworks and general information on the game in question. If you have any questions regarding the following content, I will do my best to respond, but do keep in mind that details are scarce. Nintendo is apparently doing their best to make sure that crucial information on this game doesn't get out to the masses before E3.

General Information:

-Super Smash Bros for Switch is indeed a sequel. The game's UI and Announcer are both brand new.

-Super Smash Bros Switch will borrow animations from Super Smash Bros 4, but all character models are remade from scratch.

-There are no planned cuts for Super Smash Bros Switch. The three clone characters, (Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario), will all be returning. There is no information on how much of their moveset will be the same.

-There is no current information on new modes for the game.

-The big draw with newcomers this time around is that they're mostly attuned to fan demand, both feedback from the community but, more importantly, the Smash Bros Fighter Ballot.

Playable Characters:

According to my source, this is apparently the most difficult subject to find information on. As a result, they provided me a small list of characters, some that they KNOW are going to be playable and some that sound like they'd fit the playable role but have no confirmation on whether or not they are as of this time.

Confirmed Playable:

Inkling:

-Design and colors are based off of Splatoon 1

-Long range fighter with slow movement speed, can improve mobility with ink

-ink stays on the ground and drastically improves movement speed with their side special

Ice Climbers:

-No new moves, only balance changes

-Nana now does less damage

-Nana cannot grab the opponent

Wolf:

-Both heavier and stronger

-aerial laser is now angled down, blade is a light meteor smash

-mobility is more sluggish

Captain Toad:

-Trapper/set-up character who excels at controlling the stage

-uses the likes of minecarts, treasure stars and more to attack

-Final Smash features the Draggadon

Ridley:

-Aerial fighter that can transition between the ground and the air seamlessly

-both taller than Bowser and Wider than DK (but not by much)

-has long range, but can be punished by alot of attacks

A New Pokemon:

My source is confused on this, as instead of being given a playable Pokemon name, he was given a list of Pokemon names that would be appearing in the game. While there is no info if any of these Pokemon will be playable, several Pokemon stood out from the list, namely the likes of Decidueye, Tapu Koko, Mimikyu, Incineroar, Necrozma, Marshadow and Zeraora.

Simon Belmont:

-Ranged character who uses a long-range whip as his main weapon

-Has access to Castlevania items, including throwing daggers, crosses and holy water

-Final Smash is unique to Smash Bros

Heihachi Mishima:

-A Combo character who makes up for a lack of range with powerful attacks

-All attacks are taken directly from Tekken

-Certain attacks can be chained into one another for combos, like jab combo into side tilt.

-Final Smash is taken out of Tekken 7, being Heihachi's rage art

Unconfirmed:

King K.Rool

Marx

Krystal

Rex & Pyra

Monster Hunter

Isabelle

Character Reworks/Changes:

-Certain characters will be receiving moveset changes with Super Smash Bros Switch

-Zelda and Sheik are staying seperate characters, as are Samus and Zero Suit Samus.

-All of the eight original characters are receving changes. The few examples given are Mario receiving Cappy, Donkey Kong is getting a new final smash and Samus receiving her melee counter from Metroid: Samus Returns

-There are no reports on how much Link has changed, but it is confirmed that Champion Link is the main Link in Smash Switch. There is no Twilight Princess Link

-Samus and Fox both have updated designs. Samus has her design from Samus Returns and Fox's design is taken from StarFox Zero

-Donkey Kong and Bowser now have voices similar to their in-game counterparts as opposed to animalistic grunts. Nothing has been said regarding Diddy Kong

-There is no current mentioning of a Breath of the Wild Zelda

-Wario's shoulder tackle is returning

-There is currently nothing on changes for characters like Ganondorf, Falco and Jigglypuff

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_for_switch_leaks_characters/?sort=new

Although this one contains Simon Belmont, it was unsure whether Isabelle is playable or not. Even though parts of the information is questionable, I thought it might be worth a mention.
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So apparently someone on the Vergeben thread on Gamefaqs said that there'a a 3rd unknown character , and apparently it's a controversial character. Is that true?
 

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This was the 4chan post I was talking about before. Likely fake, but hey, it has IsaBelmont so I might as well, haha.
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It's from Wednesday, so only a bit before Vergeben's bombshell, but it's still probably fake. I'd love it if it turned out to be real though.
The real reason is it also has that Celica girl too, right?
 

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So apparently someone on the Vergeben thread on Gamefaqs said that there'a a 3rd unknown character , and apparently it's a controversial character. Is that true?
I don't know about controversial. But Vergeben said he's heard one character that he hasn't publicized.
 
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So apparently someone on the Vergeben thread on Gamefaqs said that there'a a 3rd unknown character , and apparently it's a controversial character. Is that true?
G E N G A R

But seriously, someone should ask Verge if his source said anything about that. :V
 
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But seriously, someone should ask Verge if his source said anything about that. :V
Edlegard from Fire Emblem: Three Houses.
Though I really do expect her to come as DLC, given history with Fire Emblem and Smash. If she's in the base roster, I'll be shocked.
 

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Alright, here's every supposed leak that I have documented containing both Simon and Isabelle. There's a total of 18 that I'm splitting between two sessions, one for "leaks" that will live past July, and one for "leaks" that don't.
My source worked at Bandai Namco and was on the former balancing team for patches 1.0.6 to 1.1.7 which is now a core part of Sakurai's main team. The old team reverted many of their past changes and are adding new changes in their place, but it's not bad, expect characters like Sheik and Diddy to feel stronger in some ways and weaker in others. Sakurai is taking a bigger personal role in balancing the game instead of just overseeing everything, much more like he did in Brawl and Melee, he is very interested in learning about the competitive scene recently. Bayonetta is indeed getting additional nerfs, mostly adding more lag to her specials if she misses (Witch Time, Witch Twist), and reducing kill power of Up air. Most characters are getting buffed or nerfed as you'd expect, although strangely, Yoshi is getting nerfed overall, Sakurai felt he was too strong on For Glory. Diddy Kong is getting buffed, my source and friends tried stopping it but Sakurai doesn't get why Diddy is good as is and thinks he needs more power.
Post questions about characters and I'll try to answer them individually.

Also, here are your Newcomers:
>Simon
>Steve
>Tails (Sonic Echo)
>Geno
>Isabelle (Villager Echo)
>King K. Rool

And yes, Sakurai has heard about Waluigi but he will not be in the base game, DLC is still up in the air.
Newcomer Hints: Whip, Pic Related, Witch, Sliced Apple, Anime, Archer, House, Science, Cards.

Echo Hints: Prime, Edgy, Dog, Asthma, Blue Hair.

Assist Hints: Lego, Merchant Egg, Octopus, Divine, Dad, Pig.

Bayonetta Hint: Something was on purpose and rigged for victory. The ballot, the viability, one of those is correct, one of those is false.

Source: Someone you're all well aware of.

This is the leak that got the "Ballot was rigged" claim correct before the news broke.
*waves*

It's me, Peach! Today I have some exquisite information for all of you regarding the new Smash Bros. game on Nintendo Switch.

There's just six more full fighters.

Personally, I am most excited that my personal assistant Toad will be joining the battle as Captain Toad. I've already made a cake for the occasion! In Smash Ultimate, Captain Toad cannot jump, but has several moves that work as strong recovery options, notably his minecart and the propeller box from 3D World.

The second is Ashley from Diamond City. I don't know a lot about her but supposedly she is one of Wario's friends. Her demon Red supports her, turning into various objects for many of her attacks.

Thirdly, we have King K. Rool. I've heard he's about the same weight as Bowser, which is quite scary! Like Ashley for Japan, he was chosen to appeal to the western audiences.

I can also confirm we have a newcomer from our friends over at the Konami Kingdom, Simon Belmont.

Also joining the battle is Bandanna Waddle Dee! He's such a cutey, isn't he? He fights with his spear similarly to his recent appearances in Star Allies and Return to Dreamland.

The final new roster addition is... an odd man. He's a very blocky fellow who calls himself Steve. I'm quite surprised at his physique, but supposedly he is a master of adapting to different situations, able to quickly create items during the battle.

Each fighter comes with their own stage, too!

Captain Toad - Battle Tower Blitz
Ashley - Diamond City
King K. Rool - Gangplank Galleon
Simon Belmont - Dracula's Castle
Bandanna Waddle Dee - Dream Palace
Steve - New World (works sort of like the Mario Maker stage!)

Teehee! I wouldn't just leave you all with only this, so here's some of those Echo fighters! Eeeee! I'm so excited my pal Daisy is my Echo fighter!

4e - Dark Samus
18e - Dr. Luigi (this one has me quite surprised!)
32e - Chrom
45e - Isabelle

Also, Robin's new final smash turns them into a possessed version of themself! Spooky D:
>Lycanroc Dusk is the pokemon newcomer, its final smash has it use it's z move with the other two. Mimikyu and Decidueye are not playable, there is no other pokemon newcomer
>Banjo Kazooie is a newcomer, they shoot eggs, have a wonder wing move, and their final smash is jjinjonator, Minecraft gets a stage
>Ashley is a newcomer, spell moveset, final smash is a big spell.
>K Rool is a newcomer, uses gadgets and tricks, final smash is the blast o matic
>9 Unique newcomers, 5 echos
>Dixie Kong Isabelle and Shadow are echos
>Bandana Dee is not playable
>Shovel Knight is not playable
>Shantae is not playable
>Chrom is still Robin's final smash
>Captain Toad is not playable
>There is no fire emblem newcomer
>Dephino, Jungle Hijinx, Yoshi's Island Melee, Rainbow Road, Paper Mario, Dream Land 3ds, Pirate Ship, Peach's 64, Kongo 64, Pictochat, Mute City 3ds, and Orbital Gate return
>Miiverse, Sector Z, Planet Zebes, Poke Floats, Pictochat 2, and Golden Plains do not return
>SR388, Fortuna, Neo Los Angeles, and Frosty Fruits are new stages
>Qbby from Boxboy is an assist trophy
>Chibi Robo is an assist trophy
>Ravio is an assist trophy
>Chun Li is an assist trophy
>Sephiroth is an assist trophy
>Salazzle is a new pokeball
>Alolan Exeggutor is a new pokeball
>Popplio is a new pokeball pokemon
I have some Information regarding the upcoming super smash bros ultimate for Nintendo switch.

The remaining newcomers are-
King k rool
Geno
Simon belmont
Tails (Similar to sonic, not quite an echo though)
Isabelle (Similar situation to tails)

Springman and rex/pyra are in the planning stages and will be DLC, a few others are being considered. A 7th gen pokemon is almost definitely going to happen, but which one hasn't been decided yet.

Might be dead for claiming DLC is being planned, but I'll let it live as DLC isn't being developed, but just planned.
Hey guys I just go off work from Nintendo and thought I would like to talk about something I found out when walking by on the development of the new Super Smash Bros. game.

Based on what I saw when the roster was loaded, the following newcomers seem to be added to the game:
- Dixie Kong
- Heihachi
- Elma
- Simon
- Steve
- Karate Joe
- Arle
- Issac
- Tiki

With these guys as Echo Fighters:
- Ken
- Shadow
- Isabelle
- Dr. Luigi
- Chrom
- Richter

These characters however are becoming Assist Trophies:
- K. Rool
- Geno
- Banjo-Kazooie
- Creeper
- Susie
- Draco
- Anna
- Alucard
- President Lincoln (from Codename S.T.E.A.M.)
- Zero
- Nightmare
- Klonoa

These stages I found are returning from the previous entries:
- Fountain of Dreams
- Meta Crystal
- Hanenbow
- Poké Floats
- Mario Bros.
- Pac-Maze
- Mushroom Kingdom (64)
- Mute City (3DS)
- Planet Zebes

These stages will be added as brand new stages:
- Dracula's Castle
- Minecraft
- Spring Stadium
- A stage based on Tekken
- Alola Region
- Primp Town
- Forest Maze
- Magikarp Festival
- Sky Skipper
- Sonic Mania
- Park Avenue
- Planet Robobot

I didn't have time to dive deep into what all of these do and how you unlock them, but I hope this gets you excited for the game!
So yesterday, me and two other raters at the ESRB were given access to a video "presentation" of Smash Ultimate. Unfortunately for job security I was unable to get any photo or video evidence of what I saw, but you can choose to listen to me or not.
First off, I was told that development is mostly finished now, with the exception of bug testing and tweaking. The ESRB takes leaks very seriously (especially after the last game), so I will be brief.
There were 6 new characters I saw.
Banjo Kazooie was in one of the battles. It was like some sort of adventure mode but it was multiplayer competitive. Banjo had an attack involving Kazooie pooping out eggs. (We have to mark off things like that).
I also saw Simon Belmont, who was fighting against Bowser, Snake, and Louie. Simon used his whip in a lot of his attacks, as well as Castlevania weapons like the Cross throw and Potion.
There was another character who I missed the name of who had purple hair. She was only shown off during a montage of gameplay modes.
I saw Isabelle from Animal Crossing show up, but she used all the same moves as Villager, just "dantier" I guess.
They had someone named Masked Man (not sure what game he's from, maybe Earthbound). He had a sword and used lightning attacks.
Finally I saw Paper Mario in a mode where you work with Master Hand for prizes. He uses his partners from the N64 game and throws Stickers.
I'll answer any questions you guys have but namely I was not shown a picture of the full roster. I saw a select screen that was incomplete and only had a few characters.
ACTUAL Smash Leaks

Don't get your hopes up too high, guys. I have no idea about DLC but this is just for launch.

Simon is getting in. My guess is that they're announcing it when they announce the rumored (but obviously real) Castlevaina compilation. My guess is it will be around the launch of season 2 on Netflix. This is all just a guess, though.

And that is the only new character. There are others but they're just echo fighters. Thankfully none of them are Fire Emblem.

Classic Sonic is an echo fighter of Sonic. I have no idea how he plays. I'm just reading these off a list. My guess is maybe he has tighter controls if they want to really represent Classic Sonic. He's referred to as 'Classic Sonic' in documentation so I assume that's how he's referred to in-game, as well. I'm actually a little excited for this one.

Isabella is an echo fighter for villager. Don't even have a guess what the differences could be.

Ms. Pac-Man is another echo fighter. Same with Isabella. No idea how she'll be different.

The most disappointing echo fighter on the list is Dixie. She deserves her own moveset. ****ing sucks.

And finally, Octoling. Not a surprise.

That's all I know. No idea about ATs or anything else or even when they'll announce these guys (besides Simon but that's just a guess). You guys can ask me stuff but I probably won't know. But I might remember something I've forgotten if something is worded right? I dunno. He's hoping we get Rex as DLC.
>Mimikkyu
>Elma
>Shizue (Dash fighter)
>Chrom (Dash fighter)
>K Rool
>Belmondo
>Geno
>Ninten (Dash Fighter)
>Dark Samus (Dash Fighter)
>Shadow (Dash Fighter)
>Tapper
>Reimu
Nintendo Direct August 3rd
Super Smash Bros. reveal trailer
A shadowy figure flies above as a hero steps out of the darkness.
"Belmont has his stake in this!"
He follows the figure as it flies to a lofty bell tower. He climbs a spiral staircase and defeats skeletons and bats before arriving at the top. The bell sounds as he looks around. Sensing his foe: "Die monster. You don't belong in this world!" An evil laugh echoes out and the demon attacks. "Overconfidence will destroy you" Sephiroth joins the fray!

Belmont is a new design drawing inspiration from Simon, Trevor, Richtor, Juste and huh? Alucard? and has costumes to represent each of them. Sephiroth's design is based on his "One-Winged Angel" classic design but has costumes for his Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts designs.

A third character is teased. A telescope has been watching the battle unfold in the bell tower. A female giggle is heard and the telescope is flung skyward, disappearing in a STAR graphic effect.

MAY/MAY NOT BE OP

Inkling, Daisy, Ridley, Belmont, Sephiroth, Lip, Dark Samus, Isabelle, Dixie Kong, Chrom, Hades
I work in the graphics team at Bandai Namco, and am working on smash ultimate. i wont say much about where i work, as i was make to sign an agreement not to divulge any information about the new game. however, like you, I would want to know whos gonna be in the game, and who isn't. This formats probably gonna suck because I'm not used to 4chan, and I'm also not gonna explain too much about the characters, in order to try and not make my identity too prominent.
In total, there will be 8 newcomers, including Ridley and Inkling, and 6 more echoes. This may seem contradictory, but apparently Sakurai is trying to do this so that he can leave the fanbase happy while he attempts to make as many DLC characters as Nintendo allows him to. Remember, budgets are a thing.

The 6 newcomers yet to be revealed are:
King K Rool
Geno
Simon Belmont
Okami
Ashley
Heihachi

Many people I work with believe that Dixie is going to be the first DLC character, as she can take much influence from diddy and she is wanted much like mewtwo was in the development of SSB4.

Anyways, the 6 echoes are:
Chrom
Shadow
Isabelle
Hilda
Dry Bowser
Dark Samus

I cannot confirm that there will be a subspace emissary, but what i can confirm is that all the characters will be able to be unlocked in a type of classic mode, where the final boss on each run will be a new fighter that has yet to be unlocked. From what I've seen, these characters will also be able to be unlocked in other ways, such as playing multiple amounts of matches.
In terms of when these will be revealed, I don't know, but i overheard people saying that some echoes wont get trailers, rather, a couple may be revealed in a smash focused direct, and
>K. Rool is in
>Ashley is in
>Simon Belmont is in
>Decidueye is not in, the pokemon rep is Lycanroc
>Rex and Pyra are in
>Shadow is in, echo of Sonic obviously
>Isabelle is in, villager echo
>Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Island, and Brinstar Depths come back from Melee
>Hanenbow, Delphino, and Pirate Ship come back from Brawl
>Dream Land, Mute City, and Rainbow Road return from 3ds
>Gamer, Jungle Hijinxs, and Orbital Gate Assault are back from Wii U
>Pikmin is not getting a new stage
>F Zero is not getting a new stage either.
>Classic Mode is different from Wii U version, more similar to 3DS and Brawl/Melee
>All Star is now based on when the fighter entered smash
>Event Mode is back


>Expect a newcomer revealed in July

This is just some stuff I found interesting, I will be on here for likely a little white, might post more.
Smash Bros Ultimate
The next super smash bros game will have 10 more newcomers. Each Month 2 new fighters will be annoced each month. It seems to look like each month one fighter would be a new fighter, while the other is an echo fighter. In july we will see Excite Biker, and Chrom from Fire Embelm. August will have King Krool, and Shadow the Hedehog. Semtemper will have Crash Bandicoot and Doomguy. Doomguy or crash may be an echo fighter because each month has on echo and one new fighter. October has Isabell from animal crossing as an echo for villager, and Steve from Mincraft. November has Funky kong, most likely an echo, and Lycanroc. December had Simon Belmont and Spike from the Mario games. Release Date December 7th
A friend of mine that works for Ninthendo of American has some inside information about the charters for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

Decidueye will be revealed during a July Nintendo Direct Mini.

Heihachi will be revealed at EVO 2018.

Steve will be revealed at MineCon Earth 2018.

Siomon will be revealed on Halloween.

King K. Roll will be revealed During a November Nintendo Direct.

Karate Joe will be revealed on a Smash Bros direct just days before the game releases.

In the Direct, we will be told Banjo-Kazooie is in development as a DLC charter, and DLC for the game will release through out the switches life time.

Chartes not revealed before lunch are Geno, Dixie Kong, Dark Samus, Chrom, Isabel, Tails, and Shadow.
Hello. I am here from previous about my Smash codename leaks. I want to give out the full leaks, since I am frustrated of people getting them wrong.

July - King K. Rool and Dixie Kong
August - Heihachi Mishima
September - Decidueye
October - Simon Belmont and Isabelle
November - Dark Samus
December - Chorus Kids, Kat and Ana, Geno, and Ninten.

Here are also some leaks for the stages: Peach's Castle, Delfino Plaza, Brinstar Depths, and Poke Floats are going to return. G Corp Helipad, Gangplank Galleon, Dracula's Castle, Assembly Dojo, and Rhythm Heaven are going to be the new stages.
>List of new characters for Super Smash Bros Ultimate in the dataminer.

>King- Unlike many insiders say, this character is not King. K Roll. This character would be no one else but none other than Prince Noctis of Final Fantasy XV
>Ponytail - It would be Dixie Kong, an Echo Fighter by Diddy Kong
>Old Man- He would be the Heihachi character of the Tekken series
>Archer- The Archer is the Deciduey of Pokémon Sun and Moon, as many people had predicted
>Warrior - It would be the Simon Belmont of the Castlevania series (No news)
>Secretary- Is Isabell from Animal Crossing the same, as everyone had said
>Mech- It would be the Rex of Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>Rhythm- Rhythm is nothing more and nothing less than Marshall, character of the series Rythm Heaven.
>Folklore- Musashi, protagonist of Sushi Strike: The Way of Sushido is Folklore.
>Doll- It would be the Geno from Super Mario RPG: The Legend of Seven Stars
>Prime Ribs- This character is Ninten from the Mother series, he will be an Echo Fighter from Nes.
>Rainbow - He is Captain Rainbow, who will be an Echo Fighter from Captain Falcon.

>Surprise character - Toadette, she is not a playable character, however, she appears in a random action and will present herself as a file already unlocked or not in a random attempt in her fight. It will appear more in online games, however it can appear even in other modes how All-Stars Mode for example.
Hello everyone. I work as one of many translators for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for the U.S. I don’t know everything about the game, but my fellow co-workers shared me some information regarding the upcoming game.
*66 K. K. Rool and 67 Dixie Kong are in the game. Both will be revealed in July this month in an upcoming direct. Dixie is a semi-clone with her hairspin techs, gum ball popgun, guitar, etc.
*68 Heihachi will be revealed at EVO and will be playable at the EVO build of the game.
{There will be an exhibition match with Heihachi and Ryu.}
*69 Geno From Super MARIO RPG
{There is a 3D model of Mallow (Final smash? Assist?}
*70 Amaterasu from Okami
{Uses black paint smash attacks}
*71 Ninten from Earthbound Beginnings
{PK fire variant that meteor smash opponents in air. PK beam standard B}
*72 Bandana Waddle Dee from Kirby
{Uses spear attacks and a parisol similar to Peach and DAISY}
*73 Ashley from WarioWare
{No info N/A}
*74 Decidueye from Pokémon
{Moveset inspired by Pokken Tournament and uses sinister arrow raid as Final Smash. Long Range attacker}
*16’ Impa
{No info N/A}
*45’ Isabelle
{Isabelle’s tree always spawns fruits. Different Color butterfly net, Lloid rocket stays horizontal, Faster than Villager}
*New stages I know so far:
^New Donk City
^The Oddysey {Stage that travels around ^different SMO Worlds}
^Gangplank Galleon
^R.O.B Famicon
^Ashley’s Mansion
^Dragon’s Nest {Tekken 7}
^Melemele Island (Iki Town)
*Returning stages I know so far:
^Peach’s Castle (64)
^Congo Jungle (64)
^Jungle Hyjinx
^Icicle Mountain
^Fountain of Dreams
^Dreamland
^Pirate Ship
^Mario Bros.
^Big Battle Field
^Gamer
^Rainbow Road
^Paper Mario
^Wooly World
*New Modes:
Boss Rush
SSE type of story mode with full cutscenes
All previous modes including Smash Run, Smash Tour, Tournaments, Spectating, etc. returns


Either he deleted it or the mods took it down like they took down ChaosZero's leak threads during the Brawl era. I imagine we'll hear what happened from him soon.
#12 is interesting to me because it somewhat lines up with the loz18 mentioned, and that roster seems believable.

If loz18's stuff pans out, we'll know how characters are unlocked this month, so maybe keep an eye on this one.
 
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I mean why not, he's already officially fought Power Rangers characters at this point so why not Goku
Ryu can become anything at this point
Anyways, I haven't provided my thoughts on the possibility of Isabelle being playable for Smash Ultimate.

Isabelle has become one of the main characters within the Animal Crossing series since she was an Assist Trophy in the Wii-U/3DS versions plus she also appeared as a playable racer in Mario Kart 8 and therefore it doesn't exactly surprise me if she is transitioned into a playable character for Ultimate.

DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon - did you document on this two month old leak below the spoiler tag by any chance:

The following information has been compiled over the past month and a half, all information coming from a singular source. Source will not be named for the sake of anonymity. The following list of information contains details on playable characters, character reworks and general information on the game in question. If you have any questions regarding the following content, I will do my best to respond, but do keep in mind that details are scarce. Nintendo is apparently doing their best to make sure that crucial information on this game doesn't get out to the masses before E3.

General Information:

-Super Smash Bros for Switch is indeed a sequel. The game's UI and Announcer are both brand new.

-Super Smash Bros Switch will borrow animations from Super Smash Bros 4, but all character models are remade from scratch.

-There are no planned cuts for Super Smash Bros Switch. The three clone characters, (Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario), will all be returning. There is no information on how much of their moveset will be the same.

-There is no current information on new modes for the game.

-The big draw with newcomers this time around is that they're mostly attuned to fan demand, both feedback from the community but, more importantly, the Smash Bros Fighter Ballot.

Playable Characters:

According to my source, this is apparently the most difficult subject to find information on. As a result, they provided me a small list of characters, some that they KNOW are going to be playable and some that sound like they'd fit the playable role but have no confirmation on whether or not they are as of this time.

Confirmed Playable:

Inkling:

-Design and colors are based off of Splatoon 1

-Long range fighter with slow movement speed, can improve mobility with ink

-ink stays on the ground and drastically improves movement speed with their side special

Ice Climbers:

-No new moves, only balance changes

-Nana now does less damage

-Nana cannot grab the opponent

Wolf:

-Both heavier and stronger

-aerial laser is now angled down, blade is a light meteor smash

-mobility is more sluggish

Captain Toad:

-Trapper/set-up character who excels at controlling the stage

-uses the likes of minecarts, treasure stars and more to attack

-Final Smash features the Draggadon

Ridley:

-Aerial fighter that can transition between the ground and the air seamlessly

-both taller than Bowser and Wider than DK (but not by much)

-has long range, but can be punished by alot of attacks

A New Pokemon:

My source is confused on this, as instead of being given a playable Pokemon name, he was given a list of Pokemon names that would be appearing in the game. While there is no info if any of these Pokemon will be playable, several Pokemon stood out from the list, namely the likes of Decidueye, Tapu Koko, Mimikyu, Incineroar, Necrozma, Marshadow and Zeraora.

Simon Belmont:

-Ranged character who uses a long-range whip as his main weapon

-Has access to Castlevania items, including throwing daggers, crosses and holy water

-Final Smash is unique to Smash Bros

Heihachi Mishima:

-A Combo character who makes up for a lack of range with powerful attacks

-All attacks are taken directly from Tekken

-Certain attacks can be chained into one another for combos, like jab combo into side tilt.

-Final Smash is taken out of Tekken 7, being Heihachi's rage art

Unconfirmed:

King K.Rool

Marx

Krystal

Rex & Pyra

Monster Hunter

Isabelle

Character Reworks/Changes:

-Certain characters will be receiving moveset changes with Super Smash Bros Switch

-Zelda and Sheik are staying seperate characters, as are Samus and Zero Suit Samus.

-All of the eight original characters are receving changes. The few examples given are Mario receiving Cappy, Donkey Kong is getting a new final smash and Samus receiving her melee counter from Metroid: Samus Returns

-There are no reports on how much Link has changed, but it is confirmed that Champion Link is the main Link in Smash Switch. There is no Twilight Princess Link

-Samus and Fox both have updated designs. Samus has her design from Samus Returns and Fox's design is taken from StarFox Zero

-Donkey Kong and Bowser now have voices similar to their in-game counterparts as opposed to animalistic grunts. Nothing has been said regarding Diddy Kong

-There is no current mentioning of a Breath of the Wild Zelda

-Wario's shoulder tackle is returning

-There is currently nothing on changes for characters like Ganondorf, Falco and Jigglypuff

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_for_switch_leaks_characters/?sort=new

Although this one contains Simon Belmont, it was unsure whether Isabelle is playable or not. Even though parts of the information is questionable, I thought it might be worth a mention.
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Like how the leak is both right and wrong
The real reason is it also has that Celica girl too, right?
Celica is a priority now that Lyn is out
 

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Still want to chuck rocks at people with Isaac. I wonder if he did well enough on the Ballot to be considered.
 

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I was looking at the thread this morning. He claimed he knew of a third character when someone asked about it but he said he wasn't sure of the source on that one.
Aside from Isabelle and Simon?

please be Elma or Bandana Dee please
 

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So apparently someone on the Vergeben thread on Gamefaqs said that there'a a 3rd unknown character , and apparently it's a controversial character. Is that true?
...Come to think of it, that fits Celica well, actually.

Not gonna give myself hope, not gonna give myself hope...
 

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Anyways, I haven't provided my thoughts on the possibility of Isabelle being playable for Smash Ultimate.

Isabelle has become one of the main characters within the Animal Crossing series since she was an Assist Trophy in the Wii-U/3DS versions plus she also appeared as a playable racer in Mario Kart 8 and therefore it doesn't exactly surprise me if she is transitioned into a playable character for Ultimate.

DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon - did you document on this two month old leak below the spoiler tag by any chance:

The following information has been compiled over the past month and a half, all information coming from a singular source. Source will not be named for the sake of anonymity. The following list of information contains details on playable characters, character reworks and general information on the game in question. If you have any questions regarding the following content, I will do my best to respond, but do keep in mind that details are scarce. Nintendo is apparently doing their best to make sure that crucial information on this game doesn't get out to the masses before E3.

General Information:

-Super Smash Bros for Switch is indeed a sequel. The game's UI and Announcer are both brand new.

-Super Smash Bros Switch will borrow animations from Super Smash Bros 4, but all character models are remade from scratch.

-There are no planned cuts for Super Smash Bros Switch. The three clone characters, (Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario), will all be returning. There is no information on how much of their moveset will be the same.

-There is no current information on new modes for the game.

-The big draw with newcomers this time around is that they're mostly attuned to fan demand, both feedback from the community but, more importantly, the Smash Bros Fighter Ballot.

Playable Characters:

According to my source, this is apparently the most difficult subject to find information on. As a result, they provided me a small list of characters, some that they KNOW are going to be playable and some that sound like they'd fit the playable role but have no confirmation on whether or not they are as of this time.

Confirmed Playable:

Inkling:

-Design and colors are based off of Splatoon 1

-Long range fighter with slow movement speed, can improve mobility with ink

-ink stays on the ground and drastically improves movement speed with their side special

Ice Climbers:

-No new moves, only balance changes

-Nana now does less damage

-Nana cannot grab the opponent

Wolf:

-Both heavier and stronger

-aerial laser is now angled down, blade is a light meteor smash

-mobility is more sluggish

Captain Toad:

-Trapper/set-up character who excels at controlling the stage

-uses the likes of minecarts, treasure stars and more to attack

-Final Smash features the Draggadon

Ridley:

-Aerial fighter that can transition between the ground and the air seamlessly

-both taller than Bowser and Wider than DK (but not by much)

-has long range, but can be punished by alot of attacks

A New Pokemon:

My source is confused on this, as instead of being given a playable Pokemon name, he was given a list of Pokemon names that would be appearing in the game. While there is no info if any of these Pokemon will be playable, several Pokemon stood out from the list, namely the likes of Decidueye, Tapu Koko, Mimikyu, Incineroar, Necrozma, Marshadow and Zeraora.

Simon Belmont:

-Ranged character who uses a long-range whip as his main weapon

-Has access to Castlevania items, including throwing daggers, crosses and holy water

-Final Smash is unique to Smash Bros

Heihachi Mishima:

-A Combo character who makes up for a lack of range with powerful attacks

-All attacks are taken directly from Tekken

-Certain attacks can be chained into one another for combos, like jab combo into side tilt.

-Final Smash is taken out of Tekken 7, being Heihachi's rage art

Unconfirmed:

King K.Rool

Marx

Krystal

Rex & Pyra

Monster Hunter

Isabelle

Character Reworks/Changes:

-Certain characters will be receiving moveset changes with Super Smash Bros Switch

-Zelda and Sheik are staying seperate characters, as are Samus and Zero Suit Samus.

-All of the eight original characters are receving changes. The few examples given are Mario receiving Cappy, Donkey Kong is getting a new final smash and Samus receiving her melee counter from Metroid: Samus Returns

-There are no reports on how much Link has changed, but it is confirmed that Champion Link is the main Link in Smash Switch. There is no Twilight Princess Link

-Samus and Fox both have updated designs. Samus has her design from Samus Returns and Fox's design is taken from StarFox Zero

-Donkey Kong and Bowser now have voices similar to their in-game counterparts as opposed to animalistic grunts. Nothing has been said regarding Diddy Kong

-There is no current mentioning of a Breath of the Wild Zelda

-Wario's shoulder tackle is returning

-There is currently nothing on changes for characters like Ganondorf, Falco and Jigglypuff

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_for_switch_leaks_characters/?sort=new

Although this one contains Simon Belmont, it was unsure whether Isabelle is playable or not. Even though parts of the information is questionable, I thought it might be worth a mention.
[/spoiler.]
This leak sounds fake, not at all how Inkling or Ridley play, especially Inkling. Inkling is in no way a slow character and the ink doesn't increase mobility (it's slows enemies). So yea no way I believe that.
 

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Something I've noticed within these all leaks is that Captain Toad's become more and more unfavored within them. I guess Toad being back to Peach's special did a lot on the perceived chances he has had.
 

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#12 is interesting to me because it somewhat lines up with the loz18 mentioned, and that roster seems believable.

If loz18's stuff pans out, we'll know how characters are unlocked this month, so maybe keep an eye on this one.
idk, it calls Amaterasu Okami, that's like "Guys in Super Mario Galaxy 3 you can play as Green Mario"
 

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there's like a billion sources for super high definition models of Shadow, he's one of the easiest to throw into a leak

idk, it calls Amaterasu Okami, that's like "Guys in Super Mario Galaxy 3 you can play as Green Mario"
They may not know the character's name, but do know what game they come from.
 
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Something I've noticed within these all leaks is that Captain Toad's become more and more unfavored within them. I guess Toad being back to Peach's special did a lot on the perceived chances he has had.
After seeing how Toad has a bigger part in Peach's moveset I think it was Sakurai's way of throwing a bone to all Toad fans. So yea he went from top 10 for me to very unlikely. Still possible though.
 

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This was the 4chan post I was talking about before. Likely fake, but hey, it has IsaBelmont so I might as well, haha.
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It's from Wednesday, so only a bit before Vergeben's bombshell, but it's still probably fake. I'd love it if it turned out to be real though.
Literally the Newcomers could end there and I'd be so beyond satisfied.
 

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there's like a billion sources for super high definition models of Shadow, he's one of the easiest to throw into a leak


They may not know the character's name, but do know what game they come from.
I mean, you kinda think any leak with Dark Samus and Hilda is likely from observing the last month.
 

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I hope quite of few of these leaks get blown up when they show someone no one really added to their lists.

I mean, that rumour is fake, but this is basically going to happen as a Gen 7 Pokemon is inevitable and safe.
Well, we could get no Pokemon, though I have some doubts on that. Or a new Pokemon as DLC/promotion.
 

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there's like a billion sources for super high definition models of Shadow, he's one of the easiest to throw into a leak


They may not know the character's name, but do know what game they come from.
ok but
How do you know which character is in the game but not who they are? How many scenarios do we have where you can see a character and not their name? Character select screen? Name. Gameplay footage? Name on the portrait. Developer working on the character? Would know the name. Loading screen? Name. Only potential situation I can guess is a trophy with the description hidden so you can admire it's detail but that doesn't mean newcomer obviously and newcomer is specified
 

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ok but
How do you know which character is in the game but not who they are? How many scenarios do we have where you can see a character and not their name? Character select screen? Name. Gameplay footage? Name on the portrait. Developer working on the character? Would know the name. Loading screen? Name. Only potential situation I can guess is a trophy with the description hidden so you can admire it's detail but that doesn't mean newcomer obviously and newcomer is specified
All of that, but in a language you don't understand would be believable.
 
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