Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

A Smash Director Ballot would be a recipe for nothing other than disaster and bloody mayhem. I don't even want to think about the kind of arguments that would happen or the hard feelings that would be had if something like that ever happened.

Todd Howard gets voted in. Who's laughin' now?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Absolutely not. A ballot for asking what characters we'd love to see is very understandable. A ballot asking who should work on the games as a director however is preposterous

A Smash Director Ballot would be a recipe for nothing other than disaster and bloody mayhem. I don't even want to think about the kind of arguments that would happen or the hard feelings that would be had if something like that ever happened.

Understandable. I just wish there is some way for Sakurai to retire that doesn't potentially end up with him ending up on a hospital bed and left to die.

 

[peachy!]

That was leaked?

Yes, it was leaked on Gamefaqs by Loz, who also leaked a ton of other info, including the demo.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Understandable. I just wish there was some way for Sakurai to retire without him ending up on a hospital bed and left to die.

I agree because despite the truly outstanding work Sakurai has sone on the franchise, I feel his talent is wasted just making Smash sequels. It's honestly why I was disappointed he confirmed that Smash was his project, the man's very talented and knows how to make games accessible, I'd even buy a Bubsy game if he was behind it

 

[KMDP]

So the end result is The Yoshi Clan on Midgar labeled as a Final Fantasy VII song?

But of course.

There's also "Smash de Chocobo", which is just as bad, it's sung by a choir who are singing outside of their vocal range, and someone in the back keeps singing different songs out of tempo with the rest.

 

[Idon]

The fact that Iris', Cynthia's and Lance\Red's champion themes aren't in Smash will forever make me sad.

Cynthia's theme remix will forever be a huge dissapointment for me.

Cut out the drums, the snares, the beat, the SHEER HYPE, and replace it with, what... a simple piano melody? miracas?
Compare that to something like this which just adds MORE HYPE:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think the real issue for most non-combatant fighters isn't in their personality or ideology or whatever.
It's that since most of them are non-combatants, they don't have much flashy or iconic animations to draw from.

Compared to Villager who has all the Animal Crossing Actions, Wii Fit who has exercise poses, and the like, some of the popular character choices have little animations to draw from and reference.
Of course, Sakurai is no stranger to inventing movesets for characters like Peach and Zelda, but it's probably something he has to consider before deciding to feature them in Smash.

Or I guess he could just make them clones or something, but that's kinda laaaaaaaaame.

Zelda actually fought in other media, so the idea she couldn't fight is harder to say. More notably, Sheik looked far easier to make work(who didn't actually fight at all in canon), and Zelda was just part of the moveset. Peach was playable in games before her Smash appearance anyway and has stuff that reflects it. Mario Tennis, Golf, Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, Super Mario Bros. 2 USA.

Falcon is literally the only character that had nothing to go off of directly. He was based upon Japanese superheroes, but also was able to be retooled from Samus and even had the original beta character design to slightly work off of. Meanwhile ones like Fox actually had a multiplayer on-foot playability, so the idea he could fight was already known. Besides that, he used a projectile weapon. His specials reflected his own game well enough(Falcon does too, though that seems more coincidental than Fox?).

 

[blazefan519]

Yes it was.

Though if they had a BOTW costume, shouldn’t that have been the default?

Anyways, Loz18 is probably someone I can get behind more.

I think it's to the same lane as her TP costume. The color scheme is the same rather than it being a whole new alt.

 

[Apollo500]

I agree because despite the truly outstanding work Sakurai has sone on the franchise, I feel his talent is wasted just making Smash sequels. It's honestly why I was disappointed he confirmed that Smash was his project, the man's very talented and knows how to make games accessible, I'd even buy a Bubsy game if he was behind it

Kid Icarus Uprising 2 or HD Remaster? Please?

 

[SquashiniKun]

Todd Howard gets voted in. Who's laughin' now?

He will turn the game into a giant advertisement for Skyrim, with popups happening every minute or so begging you to buy more copies of it.

 

[SonicMario]

Edit: Do you figure that we might get a Smash director ballot someday?

Whomever succeeds Sakurai as the director of Smash Bros. will likely be someone Sakurai himself handpicks to continue on the series and someone he'll trust to at least uphold most of the values Sakurai places into making Smash. I don't think they'd let the fans choose who. And even if they did, it might lead to someone who's more of a face to Nintendo worldwide thanks to heavy appearances in E3s and/or Nintendo Directs. Which would be like Miyamoto or even Reggie Fils-Aime. Not every fan knows everybody who's up there in Nintendo.

 

[Pyra]

So the end result is The Yoshi Clan on Midgar labeled as a Final Fantasy VII song?

Can this have a Takenobu Mitsuyoshi cover also

 

[Idon]

He will turn the game into a giant advertisement for Skyrim, with popups happening every minute or saying begging you to buy more copies of it.

Dovahkiin isn't even in the game.
It's just a boxed copy of Skyrim as a playable character.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Whomever succeeds Sakurai as the director of Smash Bros. will likely be someone Sakurai himself handpicks to continue on the series and someone he'll trust to at least uphold most of the values Sakurai places into making Smash. I don't think they'd let the fans choose who. And even if they did, it might lead to someone who's more of a face to Nintendo worldwide thanks to heavy appearances in E3s and/or Nintendo Directs. Which would be like Miyamoto or even Reggie Fils-Aime. Not every fan knows everybody who's up there in Nintendo.

Given that, Kumazaki seems like a sensible choice (because more Kirby characters and content ), but who else do folks here think would be the chosen one?

 

[blazefan519]

Oh, if we're talking about remixes, I don't care what song it is but I would love for Hideki Naganuma to remix a song. I already have Tomoya Ohtani and Jun Senoe to take of the list of wanting composers, so please I need some songs in his style of music.

 

[Deleted member]

He will turn the game into a giant advertisement for Skyrim, with popups happening every minute or saying begging you to buy more copies of it.

(ASMR Roleplay) Todd Howard Seduces You While You're Playing Smash 6

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

It's beyond common sense.

They can't be made incorrect if there's nothing incorrect about them. Again, Villager is pure proof of this. He has no legitimate personality. He was given one in Smash first, where he's more dark than the original game, where has no personality at all. Just tiny reactions to events that happen.

Besides that, Wii Fit Trainer is more proof of this. Little personality to begin with. Doesn't have a "will not fight" personality. They like to teach people how to actually keep in shape. That's... it. Tell me where on earth this implies "will not fight", because it's the same proof as before. They either show a "will not fight" or they don't. If they don't, it's not an issue at all for Sakurai to even look at. He had to say no to Villager before because he believed the character would not fight. He changed his mind, but unlike Isabelle, it's a hard fact he was a blank-slate. This is a key factor that needs to be considered. And being she's already treated as a "will not fight" character as present in Smash alone, this means adding her in will require more than an echo alone. Or even a semi-clone. He already has a personality to reflect that is in Smash. So as I said below, accidental fighter or terraforming at least could reflect her better.


Nothing, because he barely goes against personalities to begin with. Besides that, he already made one for Isabelle, being a "will not fight" character. Why would he change the role he already gave her just for the sake of it? It's not going to be a case where "suddenly she'll fight". It'll be a case where he finds an interesting way for her to battle without acting violent/having violent tendencies in order to keep what he already established. The idea of her being an accidental fighter or terraforming fighter sounds remotely possible. An echo fighter does not.

I agree with you there, I think Isabelle as an echo is pretty unlikely. I think her being the first 'accidental' fighter would be really cool and inventive and would match her personality perfectly.

 

[Roberk]

But Sakurai has gone against established personalities in the past, what's stopping him here?

That's the exception, not the rule. Sakurai states that he tries to keep characters as close to their source material as possible, just because some characters aren't accurate doesn't mean that others are likely to be inaccurate as well. When it comes to speculation we should take into account both scenarios but ultimately go by the trends: characters are made to be as close to their source material as possible.

 

[papagenos]

Ok so i'm trying to get the Loz18 leak straight.
Looking for a source for these claims:

1. echos having a symbol near their name being "leaked" before E3.
2. he said to keep following vergeben.

EDIT: I found his posts about some of the info i originally couldn't find, still looking for sources on these two claims though.

i've seen his other stuff, and supposedly the "daisy" part of his leak was deleted, but its hard to search gamefaqs...

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

That's the exception, not the rule. Sakurai states that he tries to keep characters as close to their source material as possible, just because some characters aren't accurate doesn't mean that others are likely to be inaccurate as well. When it comes to speculation we should take into account both scenarios but ultimately go by the trends: characters are made to be as close to their source material as possible.

Alright, that's fair enough. You're right.

 

[DLEAF]

Everyone's talking about music, and there's mainly one game that needs more musical representation: Super Paper Mario.

Say what you want about the game itself, but the tracks are insanely good, especially this one.

I wanted the final battle to last forever... I should definitely replay this game.

 

[Pyra]

If Isabelle is gonna be a fighter, it better be "unintentionally"

Like, her trailer is her getting invited and rejecting the invitation but being dragged out of the room anyway and all of her attacks are just her trying to get the other person / herself away lol

She'll have luigi's dash attack
She'll be a luigi echo

 

[Idon]

Given that, Kumazaki seems like a sensible choice (because more Kirby characters and content ), but who else do folks here think would be the chosen one?

Big prediction:
Harada from Bandai Namco of Tekken fame.
Nintendo's pushing Smash to be more competitive, Bamco are mainstay developers on Smash now, Bamco know how to create and nurture a competitive fanbase, Smash has Tekken-style slow-mo and rage. The stars align pretty well on this one.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I agree with you there, I think Isabelle as an echo is pretty unlikely. I think her being the first 'accidental' fighter would be really cool and inventive and would match her personality perfectly.

One thing I did get noted recently is she could use "toy weapons" instead, but I'm not sure that would fit her as well. As long as she doesn't have the anger-like faces etc. and is always happy-go-lucky, she'd fit who she is well enough.

But the thing about her being an Echo means she was made last minute. The thing is, if Verg's source is real, and it's the person who leaked Isabelle, he would've only known about it wayyyyyyyyy beforehand(which explains why he thinks it was only the Smash 4 roster returning, due to how Sakurai directly starts work on games, by porting over previous data. This explains why we see the Smash 4 cast being leaked by the guy, but not other Echoes). I doubt Verg's source is still actually working on the game, as he's likely gone already. This means Isabelle was likely worked on before the Echoes and is likely an original fighter, just like Simon.

It could still be fake, but there's good reason to believe she won't be an Echo if she's in.

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Partially related, but it's safe to say that I just don't believe the Mario Kart argument will ever hold up(and I've explained why multiple times already) and I think Isabelle is more likely to be an AT. Same with the whole "wouldn't fight" argument isn't applicable to any current character in Smash(though yes, the idea that it is a key factor is questionable. I agree with that point. You just can't seriously apply it to the current cast. Whether the personalities are accurate enough is another story). So I'm just going to say "agree to disagree" and not reply further. I've made my points clear. If they weren't, I'll gladly reiterate them a bit clearer. If requested, anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

When it comes to music, with Golden Sun and Baten Kaitos having being included in the past...
Secret of Mana. ESPECIALLY Secret of Mana 2. Now's the time, let's get it.

 

[Apollo500]

If Isabelle is gonna be a fighter, it better be "unintentionally"

Like, her trailer is her getting invited and rejecting the invitation but being dragged out of the room anyway and all of her attacks are just her trying to get the other person / herself away lol

She'll have luigi's dash attack
She'll be a luigi echo

Not sure I like the idea of poor Isabelle being held hostage in Smash!

 

[Pyra]

Not sure I like the idea of poor Isabelle being held hostage in Smash!

Or she can be there on her own willpower, either way she's going get the tar beaten out of her by other people and potentially vaporized by Ridley in space.

Edit: Barring the possibility she's SSS+ tier.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

DaybreakHorizon , have you tried cross referencing the leak list to find if there are any leaks that match verg's statements?

I did, right after he came out and said that he had that info, but it was getting to be so many that I didn't want to deal with it at the time (I'd just gotten home from dinner with my uncle, and I was really tired). I'll make a special session with only leaks containing Simon and Isabelle when I'm finished catching up with this thread and any "leaks" I missed while I was asleep. Some of them will be dying come the end of July, so I'll note those as well.

 

[Pyra]

The Isabellemont (+1) leak by Vergebelmont

An interesting yet potentially meaningless turn of events.

If I was him, I probably would have said that to try and get people to cram those two into every single fake leak from now on (not that they weren't already plentiful). It would help me see if there was a real leak.. if I knew Isabelle wasn't a thing and had a bunch of "credibility", making a bunch of other people feel compelled to throw her into their fake leaks would mean the ones without her are more likely to be real :0

But I'm not him and I don't have that credibility and I don't care one way or another if she gets in or not.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

That can be interpreted too many ways to make it clear what he meant.

I don't know how "he wasn't suited for battle" gets any less clear.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

OK, but would Goku stop the match for 10 minutes when he transforms?

Not enough time for a transformation...let’s try atleast 15 for his Super Saiyan transformations, Blue gets 50 minutes...and Ultra Instinct gets an entire day

how would he be the opposite of lucario?

He goes from strong to weak due to th loss of stamina and depending on which form he decides to take, while Lucario only gets stronger when beaten without losing energy (though of course eh doesn’t have lots of forms to take so that helps)

Make his Down B "Power Up", if you do it long enough, Goku transforms.
Power Up enough and Goku, like Gohan in FighterZ, gets a "Reverse Beat" mechanic (or whatever the equivalent would be in or Smash), just as a huge "f you" to the meta.

Powering up in FighterZ does freeze the timer. XD

A mechanic for Goku alone...yes

 

[vaanrose]

The Isabellemont (+1) leak by Vergebelmont

An interesting yet potentially meaningless turn of events.

If I was him, I probably would have said that to try and get people to cram those two into every single fake leak from now on (not that they weren't already plentiful). It would help me see if there was a real leak.. if I knew Isabelle wasn't a thing and had a bunch of "credibility", making a bunch of other people feel compelled to throw her into their fake leaks would mean the ones without her are more likely to be real :0

But I'm not him and I don't have that credibility and I don't care one way or another if she gets in or not.

How would he know who isn't in the game without already knowing everyone who is, thus negating the need for any other leaks

 

[Pyra]

A mechanic for Goku alone...yes

I mean Ryu kinda has a new mechanic just for him now doesn't he

How would he know who isn't in the game without already knowing everyone who is, thus negating the need for any other leaks

I was being 200% not serious.
This is not new.

It's pretty obviously unlikely for one of his sources to mention isabelle specifically not being in the game, so it's an unrealistic scenario.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I don't know how "he wasn't suited for battle" gets any less clear.

Because of his personality, lack of fighting moves, his series being non-violent by nature? There was more than one way to take it. So no, calling that clear is silly. Anybody can "not be suited for battle", but that's a vague as hell statement that doesn't explain anything. What's really important is why they aren't and how to look into the character and make them potentially work.

 

[Icedragonadam]

God I wish we could get some news already or any disconfirmation of a character commonly predicted in 4chan rumors. Because this is just getting crazy right now.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I would think that Otacon would know that Diddy Kong isn't a chimpanzee.

Although he does moreso resemble a Spider Monkey, Diddy is referred to as a Chimpanzee in DK64, having the nickname of Champion of Chimpanzees in the manual.

How did you like the Archie comics? I never got around to reading them, but I am thinking of picking up the IDW Sonic stuff. I loved what they have done with the TMNT, at least through the first 50 issues.

The comics were great fun overall, especially when Ian Flynn took over replacing Ken Penders as the main writer. If you never read the comics before and you're interested, there's 3 jumping on points:

1. Start at the very beginning; 2. (NOT REALLY RECOMMENDED) Start at Issue 160 at the beginning of Ian Flynn's run; 3. Start at Issue 252, which starts off with a literal soft reboot of the comics universe after the events of the first crossover with Mega Man.

Either way, for your convenience, here's a reading order guide:

The IDW comics are being written by Flynn, and from what I've seen and heard so far, it's good stuff.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I mean Ryu kinda has a new mechanic just for him now doesn't he


I was being 200% not serious.
This is not new.

It's pretty obviously unlikely for one of his sources to mention isabelle specifically not being in the game, so it's an unrealistic scenario.

Another reason for Goku vs Ryu to happen

Kid Icarus Uprising 2 or HD Remaster? Please?

****ing please world

 

[Pyra]

Another reason for Goku vs Ryu to happen

I mean why not, he's already officially fought Power Rangers characters at this point so why not Goku

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean why not, he's already officially fought Power Rangers characters at this point so why not Goku

Off topic as **** but as a Sentai fan I ****ing hate this crossover as 1: Ryu's actor in the live action stuff is white when Ken's the white guy, 2: his Ranger suit is Jetman inspired and I ****ing hate Jetman and 3: We already got a Ryuu Ranger 15 years ago.

That being said I'm down for that being an alt costume somehow, Nintendo's worked with Hasbro before after all

 

[Just a random scrub]

Todd Howard gets voted in. Who's laughin' now?

Nope, you will have this guy as the future director of Smash and YOU WILL LIKE IT.