Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DaybreakHorizon]

Shovel Knight > Joker.

At least people actually cared enough about him to make him a big deal for Smash at some point.

Shovel Knight released in 2014, when Smash Bros 4 speculation was alive and active.

Persona 5 released in 2016, when Smash Bros. speculation was all but dead.

Smash Bros. Ultimate wasn't announced until March 2018, and wasn't revealed until June 2018, when speculation actually began.

The fact is that Shovel Knight has had more time to establish himself as a character and was a prominent Nintendo-related character at the time. Now he's another indie character featured in all the crossovers, like Gunvolt and Quote.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

I want to say a Persona character has nothing to do with Nintendo and therefore won't make it into Smash...but we have Cloud. And the Shin Megami Tensei series, of which Persona is a spinoff, has appeared on Nintendo consoles before, so it's not a completely alien series regardless.

Although as badass as Joker is, I'm not sure if I'd prefer him or a Velvet Room attendant. (Elizabeth?)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

I can get into this.

Mario: Geno or Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Sylux
Yoshi: Poochy
Kirby: Bandana Dee or Adeline
Star Fox: Miyu
Pokémon: Incineroar
F-Zero: Jody Summers or Black Shadow
Mother: Masked Man
Wario: Mona
Fire Emblem: Lyn or Hector
Kid Icarus: Pandora, or Medusa, or Hades
Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails
Xenoblade: Alma
Splatoon!: DJ Octavio
Pikmin: Alph
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Metal Gear: Raiden
Mega Man: Zero
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Punch-Out!: Doc Louie or Super Macho Man
Final Fantasy: Cecil Harvey

Although Nintendo needs permission before they can do that and the game is releasing in less than 5 months so I think we'll see 3 Third parties at Max.

At launch, anyway. For DLC, the sky's the limit.

There's a reason why pretty much every fighting game franchise includes guest characters nowadays , they sell like hot cakes. I don't know if we'll get a new guest character for the base roster (getting snake back pretty much counts in my book), but I'm willing to bet money that there will be more 3rd party DLC characters for ultimate.

For sure, even Netherrealm banks on guest characters, as bizarre as they tend to be within the context of their games.

 

[Will]

I want to say a Persona character has nothing to do with Nintendo and therefore won't make it into Smash...but we have Cloud. And the Shin Megami Tensei series, of which Persona is a spinoff, has appeared on Nintendo consoles before, so it's not a completely alien series regardless.

Although as badass as Joker is, I'm not sure if I'd prefer him or a Velvet Room attendant. (Elizabeth?)

Didn't Sakurai say that Cloud was influential across all platforms (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) despite only appearing in one? Something like that and worldwide appeal brought him in.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

How can you!?

ThAt iS An iNsULt tO US JOkEr sUPpoRteRs!
@Bradli Wartooth blast him away with your Persona influence!

But seriously, I would take Joker > Shovel Knight any day. Joker wasn’t even around during the ballot.

ALL-OUT ATTACK!!!

That's obviously going to be Joker's Final Smash but I wonder who would also be involved: Ryuji, Ann, and Morgana being the OG?

 

[BeardyBennett]

Yoshi: Poochy

I see you're a man of culture as well

 

[Deleted member]

I want to say a Persona character has nothing to do with Nintendo and therefore won't make it into Smash...but we have Cloud. And the Shin Megami Tensei series, of which Persona is a spinoff, has appeared on Nintendo consoles before, so it's not a completely alien series regardless.

Although as badass as Joker is, I'm not sure if I'd prefer him or a Velvet Room attendant. (Elizabeth?)

Persona did have a pair of spin-offs of its own on 3DS.

 

[Deleted member]

Shovel Knight released in 2014, when Smash Bros 4 speculation was alive and active.

Persona 5 released in 2016, when Smash Bros. speculation was all but dead.

Smash Bros. Ultimate wasn't announced until March 2018, and wasn't revealed until June 2018, when speculation actually began.

The fact is that Shovel Knight has had more time to establish himself as a character and was a prominent Nintendo-related character at the time. Now he's another indie character featured in all the crossovers, like Gunvolt and Quote.

All you're doing is giving excuses as to why Joker isn't a hot topic.

Excuses that don't really make sense since speculation was stagnant, but never dead. Not while we've had several rumors of Switch ports.

But the point of the matter is, there was actually a point in time where Shovel Knight had massive support.
And while it's not as big as it was in the DLC days for Smash 4, it's still there.
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/06/10/mega-smash-poll-switch-results/

How in the flying **** can you say he's just some "Flavor of the Month" when he's still ranking high on polls in this year?


Look, I'm not trying to rag on Joker. But the baseless and tactless slander on one of the only characters I actually "want" can't be ignored.
I'm already at a point where I am very pessimistic about him being playable. I don't need someone spouting off how they'll take literally anyone, even actual Flavor of the Months or basically nobodies in Smash speculation, over him because he was allegedly a Flavor of the Month himself as if he doesn't still have support today.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I can get into this.

Mario: Geno or Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Sylux
Yoshi: Poochy
Kirby: Bandana Dee or Adeline
Star Fox: Miyu
Pokémon: Incineroar
F-Zero: Jody Summers or Black Shadow
Mother: Masked Man
Wario: Mona
Fire Emblem: Lyn or Hector
Kid Icarus: Pandora, or Medusa, or Hades
Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails
Xenoblade: Alma
Splatoon!: DJ Octavio
Pikmin: Alph
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Metal Gear: Raiden
Mega Man: Zero
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Punch-Out!: Doc Louie or Super Macho Man



At launch, anyway. For DLC, the sky's the limit.



For sure, even Netherrealm banks on guest characters, as bizarre as they tend to be within the context of their games.

Ed Boon has even said guest characters sell the best out of their DLC, even over heavily requested fan favorite characters from the universe of their games, this applies for both Injustice and Mortal Kombat.

 

[Arcanir]

Then she's probably not in then. It's another Phil B&K dilemma.

Perhaps, or maybe she's hoping she gets announced because she already voiced the character and can't say anything.

 

[Bowserlick]

A Xenoblade character is all but guaranteed in my mind.

Elma lines up with the production of the new Smash game and has a style that Sakurai seems to like (combo female).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ed Boon has even said guest characters sell the best out of their DLC, even over heavily requested fan favorite characters from the universe of their games, this applies for both Injustice and Mortal Kombat.

Ugh, I don’t doubt it, but I really wasn’t a fan of the guests in MKX or Injustice. I don’t like forced crossovers - Smash is designed as a crossover fighting game; Injustice is designed as DC characters.

For Smash though...DLC is a great place for 3rd parties. I kinda hope that we get loads of 3rd party DLC. I’d also love free DLC trophies from 3rd parties, and DLC other representation as well - like stages for series which are more setting-focused like Tetris

 

[JLU51306]

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda: Skull Kid
Metroid: Sylux
Yoshi: Poochy
Pokemon: Alakazam
Star Fox: Slippy Toad
Wii Fit: N/A
Mother: Paula
F-Zero: Black Shadow
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Kirby: Rick
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Warioware: Ashley
Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails
Pikmin: N/A
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: X
Punch Out!!: Doc Louis
Xenoblade: Rex
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: N/A
Bayonetta: N/A
Splatoon!: N/A
Metal Gear: Raiden

 

[Will]

Perhaps, or maybe she's hoping she gets announced because she already voiced the character and can't say anything.

Again, Phil B&K dilemma and Ubisoft "we'll refer to this later" dilemma.
Ambiguity up the ass until December, but my expectations are way down under.

 

[BeardyBennett]

I am curious about what stages people want. One I think would be cool, especially if Elma is in, is a new LA stage from Chronicles X. Could be cool, have some Skells attack the stage or possibly even be pilotable for a bit. Fountain of Dreams would be excellent to see return. Tetris stage has been brought up a lot, and I'd love that. Maybe an NES compilation stage for ROB with Gyromite and other games used/displayed as backgrounds.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I made another Smash parody meme, this time it's a bit more focus on some smash fan's opinions than everyone's, It's not aimed at y'all, it's actually quite clearly not aimed at me, it's just a meme

Spoiler: Meme in here

I would edit that one scene from Spongebob Where Kevin points to the whole and the whole is filled with Franchises with little to no reps like Kid Icarus, Mother, and F-Zero... but I have to work a 5 hour shift from now

 

[BeardyBennett]

Some people mentioned making tier lists. My boy ESAM just put out his

https://youtu.be/CXdEPOciggw

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Slightly unpopular opinion, but I believe the stage that accompanies Elma should not be NLA OR Primordia. Primordia is basically Gaur Plain 2.0 with grassy plains, mountains and lakes, and NLA...just doesn’t really do it for me imo

I’d prefer either Oblivia, Noctilum or Sylvalum. Split strongest between Noctilum (Telethia the Endbringer stage boss!!) or Sylvalum (best continent music at night, gorgeous weather effects, unique biome)

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Didn't Sakurai say that Cloud was influential across all platforms (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) despite only appearing in one? Something like that and worldwide appeal brought him in.

I found the statement I think you're referring to. I also included some interesting tidbits about third parties as well. Here it is:

—Final Fantasy VII (FFVII below) has never been released on a Nintendo console, so how did Cloud end up appearing in Smash?

Final Fantasy (FF below) is one of the few uniquely Japanese game series revered by players around the world. I think fans across the globe have hoped a character from one of those series would appear in Smash, so it was only a matter of time. At the same time, there are only so many big-name titles we can work with at this point—mainly because we’ve covered most of those bases. Aside from the major globally-recognized franchises already featured in Smash, there really aren’t that many left.

—That’s true. No other franchises come to mind.

Exactly. And within the FF franchise, Cloud is without question the most popular choice. A number of people fixate on the fact his original game was never released on a Nintendo console, but if we were to limit our choices to characters who appeared on a Nintendo console, we’d end up with Bartz from FFV or the Onion Knight from FFIII—how would that work? Maybe they could change jobs or something… Actually, that would be kind of interesting (laughs).

—While we’re talking about third-party characters, did you ever consider including characters like Cloud and Ryu in previous Smash games?

Sakurai: The thought crossed my mind for a fleeting instant—”I wonder how I could make that work”—but I quickly dismissed the idea (laughs).

(Everyone laughs)

Sakurai: Those third-party characters are huge icons of their respective companies, so such an opportunity is hard to come by. That being said, now that Smash has grown into a well-known franchise, the creators recognize the merits of allowing us to use their characters, so negotiations have tended to go rather smoothly.

—Still, Ryu and Cloud crossing over into Smash must surely be a smash hit with long-time gamers. You really know how to make people happy.

Sakurai: At the same time, gamers from that generation probably already have all the characters they could want. Mega Man has also joined the fray, so there might not be anyone left.

After reading this, I'm not so sure about us getting a lot of third parties. I'd specifically count out indie characters, as Sakurai seems to go for global appeal, which most indies lack, the only exception to this being Minecraft and possibly Shovel Knight considering how Nintendo is covering it in Japan. Travis Touchdown also has a chance as Sakurai and Suda51 are buddies, just like Sakurai and Kojima are. Mortal Kombat is a pipe dream as well because Japan doesn't like it at all.

Sakurai's statement about long-time gamers having all the characters they could want also might not bode well for Simon Belmont, but he says there might not be anyone else, so besides Simon I wouldn't expect anymore primarily retro third parties, except maybe Ryu Hayabusa (that's a hard maybe though) or Banjo & Kazooie, unless they're popular in Japan (I don't know if they are so don't quote me).

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and Rayman (as he's being covered in Nintendo in Japan as well) could maybe be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

 

[Deleted member]

Slightly unpopular opinion, but I believe the stage that accompanies Elma should not be NLA OR Primordia. Primordia is basically Gaur Plain 2.0 with grassy plains, mountains and lakes, and NLA...just doesn’t really do it for me imo

I’d prefer either Oblivia, Noctilum or Sylvalum. Split strongest between Noctilum (Telethia the Endbringer stage boss!!) or Sylvalum (best continent music at night, gorgeous weather effects, unique biome)

So long as I get Black Tar, I'm content.

 

[Will]

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and maybe Rayman (I don't know how popular he is in Japan) could be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

Unironically Minecraft.

please don't stone me to death

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Contráir my friend.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...nt_waluigi_in_smash_bros_ultimate_says_reggie

Waluigi is the next likeliest DLC character behind Spring Man and Rex and Pyra because of this imo. All of this outcry is too big to ignore.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

All you're doing is giving excuses as to why Joker isn't a hot topic.

Excuses that don't really make sense since speculation was stagnant, but never dead. Not while we've had several rumors of Switch ports.

But the point of the matter is, there was actually a point in time where Shovel Knight had massive support.
And while it's not as big as it was in the DLC days for Smash 4, it's still there.
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/06/10/mega-smash-poll-switch-results/

How in the flying **** can you say he's just some "Flavor of the Month" when he's still ranking high on polls in this year?


Look, I'm not trying to rag on Joker. But the baseless and tactless slander on one of the only characters I actually "want" can't be ignored.
I'm already at a point where I am very pessimistic about him being playable. I don't need someone spouting off how they'll take literally anyone, even actual Flavor of the Months or basically nobodies in Smash speculation, over him because he was allegedly a Flavor of the Month himself as if he doesn't still have support today.

I wouldn't necessarily call them excuses, but you made fair points nonetheless and I can't argue against them. Maybe I ought to reconsider my perspective on characters again. I'm actually glad to be able to have discourse like this, so thank you.

 

[Fatmanonice]

A true Bowser's Castle stage is long overdue in Smash. That and the return of Poke Floats have pretty much been the number one stage requests since the days of Brawl speculation.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I found the statement I think you're referring to. I also included some interesting tidbits about third parties as well. Here it is:


After reading this, I'm not so sure about us getting a lot of third parties. I'd specifically count out indie characters, as Sakurai seems to go for global appeal, which most indies lack, the only exception to this being Minecraft. Travis Touchdown also has a chance as Sakurai and Suda51 are buddies, just like Sakurai and Kojima are. Mortal Kombat is a pipe dream as well because Japan doesn't like it at all.

Sakurai's statement about long-time gamers having all the characters they could want also might not bode well for Simon Belmont, but he says there might not be anyone else, so besides Simon I wouldn't expect anymore primarily retro third parties, except maybe Ryu Hayabusa (that's a hard maybe though) or Banjo & Kazooie, unless they're popular in Japan (I don't know if they are so don't quote me).

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and maybe Rayman (I don't know how popular he is in Japan) could be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

Shantae has a good chance, seeing has her series has been around for a few generations and touched Europe long before finally reaching Japan (to good success).

Also, Tomb Raider, probably. On a related Square-Enix note, no idea how recognized Hitman is.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

If we're going for the most globally recognizable characters:
Red: Angry Birds
Master Chief: Halo

Will probably go between Lara Croft or Ezio from the Assassin's Creed series.

 

[Will]

A true Bowser's Castle stage is long overdue in Smash. That and the return of Poke Floats have pretty much been the number one stage requests since the days of Brawl speculation.

Fountain of Dreams cries in the distance

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I see you're a man of culture as well

I actually consider Poochy to be a dark horse possibility for a potential newcomer. He's reoccurring throughout the Yoshi series, has received recent prominence in Wooly World and even got his name on the title on the 3DS port of wooly world called "Poochy and yoshi's wooly world" which got additional poochy related content.

But mostly, look at him! he's adorable and marketable!

 

[Will]

I actually consider Poochy to be a dark horse possibility for a potential newcomer. He's reoccurring throughout the Yoshi series, has received recent prominence in Wooly World and even got his name on the title on the 3DS port of wooly world called "Poochy and yoshi's wooly world" which got additional poochy related content.

But mostly, look at him! he's adorable and marketable!

It's ****ing bonkers that Poochy's suddenly become so relevant within the past 3 years. He's Captain Toad-tier of cameos, showed up in the latest Yoshi games and in Odyssey of all things. and he can jump

Not quite sure what moveset you could make of him though.

 

[Dandelionel]

More pictures of Geolyte have been uploaded to 4chan. It's still likely fake, but they are trying at least

https://imgur.com/a/207m1yf
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/425685190

Sorry in advance if this was already posted

 

[RandomAce]

I found the statement I think you're referring to. I also included some interesting tidbits about third parties as well. Here it is:


After reading this, I'm not so sure about us getting a lot of third parties. I'd specifically count out indie characters, as Sakurai seems to go for global appeal, which most indies lack, the only exception to this being Minecraft and possibly Shovel Knight considering how Nintendo is covering it in Japan. Travis Touchdown also has a chance as Sakurai and Suda51 are buddies, just like Sakurai and Kojima are. Mortal Kombat is a pipe dream as well because Japan doesn't like it at all.

Sakurai's statement about long-time gamers having all the characters they could want also might not bode well for Simon Belmont, but he says there might not be anyone else, so besides Simon I wouldn't expect anymore primarily retro third parties, except maybe Ryu Hayabusa (that's a hard maybe though) or Banjo & Kazooie, unless they're popular in Japan (I don't know if they are so don't quote me).

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and Rayman (as he's being covered in Nintendo in Japan as well) could maybe be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

Sora is the last globally recognized third party icon for Smash in my opinion.

Liked in both the west and east, and has been a major topic during the ballot.

I think Kingdom Hearts content is likely as DLC.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I found the statement I think you're referring to. I also included some interesting tidbits about third parties as well. Here it is:


After reading this, I'm not so sure about us getting a lot of third parties. I'd specifically count out indie characters, as Sakurai seems to go for global appeal, which most indies lack, the only exception to this being Minecraft and possibly Shovel Knight considering how Nintendo is covering it in Japan. Travis Touchdown also has a chance as Sakurai and Suda51 are buddies, just like Sakurai and Kojima are. Mortal Kombat is a pipe dream as well because Japan doesn't like it at all.

Sakurai's statement about long-time gamers having all the characters they could want also might not bode well for Simon Belmont, but he says there might not be anyone else, so besides Simon I wouldn't expect anymore primarily retro third parties, except maybe Ryu Hayabusa (that's a hard maybe though) or Banjo & Kazooie, unless they're popular in Japan (I don't know if they are so don't quote me).

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and Rayman (as he's being covered in Nintendo in Japan as well) could maybe be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

Crash Bandicoot


Bruh Mario vs Sonic vs Crash iconic 90's war revival! It's long overdue

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I found the statement I think you're referring to. I also included some interesting tidbits about third parties as well. Here it is:


After reading this, I'm not so sure about us getting a lot of third parties. I'd specifically count out indie characters, as Sakurai seems to go for global appeal, which most indies lack, the only exception to this being Minecraft and possibly Shovel Knight considering how Nintendo is covering it in Japan. Travis Touchdown also has a chance as Sakurai and Suda51 are buddies, just like Sakurai and Kojima are. Mortal Kombat is a pipe dream as well because Japan doesn't like it at all.

Sakurai's statement about long-time gamers having all the characters they could want also might not bode well for Simon Belmont, but he says there might not be anyone else, so besides Simon I wouldn't expect anymore primarily retro third parties, except maybe Ryu Hayabusa (that's a hard maybe though) or Banjo & Kazooie, unless they're popular in Japan (I don't know if they are so don't quote me).

My only question is what are the remaining "the major globally-recognized franchises" that aren't represented in Smash?

I'd say that Kingdom Hearts is very likely one, considering it's worldwide popularity and the fact that it's had an Orchestra Tour for the last two years. Other than that, I don't know. There's definitely an argument for Crash Bandicoot and the Castlevania series as well. Series like Dragon Quest, Puyo Puyo, Tekken, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, and Rayman (as he's being covered in Nintendo in Japan as well) could maybe be counted as well.

What third parties do you guys think are "globally-recognized" enough for Smash Bros?

"uniquely Japanese game series revered by players around the world"

I think thats an important distinction, Sakurai seems to be looking at Japanese gaming icons that have popularity worldwide rather than just Japan.

Franchised that meet the criteria that I can think off of the top of my head:
Resident Evil, Tekken, Castlevania, Professor Layton, Souls series, Persona, Ace Attorney, Kingdom Hearts,

 

[Deleted member]

Souls series

So Crash still has a chance.

 

[GunBlaze]

Marina from mischief makers.

A fellow cultured individual.

 

[Fatmanonice]

More pictures of Geolyte have been uploaded to 4chan. It's still likely fake, but they are trying at least

https://imgur.com/a/207m1yf
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/425685190

Sorry in advance if this was already posted

Meteos? Now that would be some hardcore favoritism. Like with SSB4, my personal WTF choice is Monita from Nintendo Land.

 

[BluePikmin11]

"uniquely Japanese game series revered by players around the world"

I think thats an important distinction, Sakurai seems to be looking at Japanese gaming icons that have popularity worldwide rather than just Japan.

Franchised that meet the criteria that I can think off of the top of my head:
Resident Evil, Tekken, Castlevania, Professor Layton, Souls series, Persona, Ace Attorney, Kingdom Hearts,

Of the possible choices listed here, I can see the former four happening and maybe Kingdom Hearts too depending on how Disney affairs will go for the base game or DLC.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Considering we don't even know if Ridley will even be in Prime 4, we can't assume that'd be the case. He was in Samus Returns, but considering we've gotten no content from the game yet, it's entirely possible it slipped under the radar and may be this game's Prime 3.

The roster was being decided sometime around December 2015 to sometime in 2016 at the latest (the December 2015 draft was only the first one, keep in mind, so the roster likely wouldn't not have been truly finalized in 2015). The last game Ridley had a major appearance up until that time was in 2010. He wasn't in Federation Force and the lack of anything Samus Returns related is pretty telling with Ridley taking no inspiration from that game.

Elma's voice actress said she hopes Elma gets announced for Smash Bros.

Elma from Xenoblade Chronicles X

— Caitlin Glass (@caitlinsvoice) July 27, 2018

Take that for what you will.

Probably doesn't mean that much either way. If Elma was playable in Smash, she'd be under an NDA so she couldn't blatantly hint she is playable.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Mortal Kombat is just as globally recognizable as Street Fighter and Tekken. Though it's very unlikely we'd see a Mortal Kombat character in Smash but we did get Bayonetta so who knows.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So I was typing up a Session when I decided to check GameFAQs, and guess what I found?

More images for the ****ing Geolyte leak. Here's a link to the thread in question.
Images in the spoilers below.

Spoiler: Is it real?

Has Game & Watch been shown on Lylat Cruise? I wasn't able to find him on it.

This is either real, or the first fake leak with actual effort put into it.

EDIT: 'd by Dandelionel , but I don't care because this one has a chance of being real.