Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[blazefan519]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

Uhhh there are some series that I'm not too familiar with so I'd probs have to go with some of the popular choices but here goes

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Dixie
The Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metriod: Dark Samus
Yoshi: uhhhhhhh Kamek maybe?
Pokemon: Incineroar
Mother: Ninten
F-Zero: uhh not familiar with this one, I guess Black Shadow?
Ice Climbers: Pretty sure there's no one else to add
Fire Emblem: Alm/Celica
Kirby: Bandana Dee
G&W: Same as IC
Kid Icarus: Either Viridi or Medusa as an Echo
Wario: Ashley or Captain Syrup
Sonic: Shadow as an Echo
Pikmin: Louie as an Echo
R.O.B: Same as the other retro chars
Animal Crossing: Isabelle as an Echo
Wii Fit: nothing you could really add here
Super Punch Out: Any of the boxers could fit really
Pac Man: Mrs Pac Man as an Echo
Xenoblade: Elma and then Rex and Pyra as DLC later down the road
Duck Hunt: Same as the other retros
Bayonetta: Jeanne as an Echo
Splatoon: Octoling

 

[Zinith]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda: Skull Kid
Metroid: Anthony Higgs
Yoshi: BOSHI!!!
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Leon
Pokemon: Sceptile
Mother: Ninten
F-Zero: Pico
Ice Climber: Topi
Fire Emblem: Chrom
Game & Watch: G&W Mario
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Wario: 9-Volt
Metal Gear: Raiden
Sonic: Tails
Pikmin: Louie
R.O.B.: Prof. Hector
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Zero
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out: Soda Popinski
Pac-Man: Ms. Pac-Man
Xenoblade Chronicles: Elma
Duck Hunt: Skeets
Street Fighter: M. Bison
Final Fantasy: Terra
Bayonetta: Baldur
Splatoon: Octoling

 

[Aeronite's Kiseki]

Mines would be

Mario: Geno
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Dark Samus (Sylux if not an Echo)
Yoshi: Kamek
Pokémon: Decidueye
Mother: Ninten
F-Zero: Pico (or Black Shadow as an Echo)
Fire Emblem: Edelgard (as DLC) or Chrom (as Echo)
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Kid Icarus: Hades
WarioWare/Wario Land series: Ashley
Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails
Pikmin: Louie
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Zero
Punch Out!!: Glass Joe
Xenoblade: Elma (Rex & Pyra for DLC)
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Sephiroth
Bayonetta: Jeanne
Splatoon!: Octolings

 

[Noipoi]

Another list game? Alright.

Mario: Geno
Donkey Kong: K Rool
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Little Birdy
Yoshi: Poochy
Pokemon: Poipole Mimikyu
Mother: Kumatora (I know.)
F-Zero: Black Shadow
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Kid Icarus: Viridi
Warioware: ASHLEY
Sonic the Hedgehog: Big the Cat Tails
Pikmin: Louie
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Zero
Punch Out!!: Glass Joe
Xenoblade: Elma
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: Tipha Lockhart
Bayonetta: Jeanne
Splatoon!: Agent 8

And yes, I am serious about Little Birdy.

 

[KMDP]

Oof looks like I goofed with that info, still it made even less sense for Celica to be the Marth clone because she uses magic as well and while FE Warriors isn't Smash, I'm 100% sure people would buy her anyways. She's popular just like you said.
She pretended to be Marth yet she doesn't even fight like him in the game. The only similarity is the weapon name and even then, it doesn't even look like his weapon, hence why she fights differently. She was added in because A. She's popular and was from the latest game at the time and B. She's a clone and easy to make.

Hey, we all make mistakes (just the other day I called an "Isaac" who was clearly just a recoloured Roy "fairly on-model". )

Another point I thought of.

Look at the unique weapons and weapon classes the characters use.

Spoiler: Long list

Marth - Falchion (a rapier)

Swords are Marth's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Marth specifically.​

Alm - Falchion (the... same one as Marth's?), Royal Sword (a Long Sword)

Alm also uses a Bow in the Hero and Conqueror classes​

Celica - Beloved Zofia (a Short Sword)

Celica can also use Magic, though not via Tomes.​

Every sword wielding character can use Rapiers in Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes​

Roy - The Binding Blade (a rapier)

Swords are Roy's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Roy specifically.​

Lyn - Mani Katti, later Sol Katti (both Katana)

Lyn can also use Bows in the Blade Lord class​

Hector - Wolf Beil, later Armads (both Axes)

Hector can use Swords in the Great Lord class​

Ike - Ragnell (a Great sword)

Ike can also use Axes in the Hero and Vanguard classes​

Chrom - Falchion (the same Falchion as Marth's, but looks different for some reason)

Chrom is also capable of using Lances in the Great Lord class.​

Lucina - Falchion (the same as Chrom's)

Lucina, like Chrom, is also capable of using Lances.​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Chrom and Lucina specifically (also Marth, by extension).​

Robin doesn't have a unique weapon of his own, but uses the Levin Sword, a Long Sword

Robin is fully represented in Smash, he can use Swords and Tomes.​

Corrin - The Yato (a Long Sword)

Corrin can also use Tomes and a Dragon Stone.​

Edelgard - Unknown, uses Swords and Axes

What is my point? Lucina uses the Falchion, and we are told it is the same one as Marth's (even if it looks different for no adequately explained reason).

Lyn has absolutely no relation to rapiers in any form, She can't even wield them in Blazing Sword (Eliwood wields Rapiers).

While Lucina can be shoe-horned logically into the Marth archetype without (much) issue, Lyn would have no logic behind being anything but unique, especially within the context of Smash. Out of the Lords I listed (potential or known Smash candidates), she is the only one who uses a Katana. Hector and Edelgard would use Axes (well, probably in Edelgard's case).

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Not gonna lie, I'd love Rouge. XD

I think Amy is the most likely female Sonic character, I just think she isn't getting in before the aforementioned three.

It's funny how the spinoff Amy Roses (mainly STC and Boom) are way, way better than the official one.

They’re both more mature and hilarious than normal Amy is

 

[WallyPalmer]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

Mario: Geno
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Impa/Urbosa. I cant choose between my beefy moms.
Metroid: Dark Samus
Star Fox: Slippy Toad
Yoshi: Kam— I uh. I mean Boshi.
Pokémon: hmmmmng,, hhhhhhhhh
Mother: Porky
F-Zero: who?
Fire Emblem: Chrom
Kirby: Gay Icon Bandana Dee of course
Kid Icarus: Viridi
Wario: Ashley
Sonic the Hedgehog: Eggman
Pikmin: the big ol bug thing. I wanna play that.
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: I honestly couldn’t care less
Pac Man: Mrs Pac Man
Punch Out!!: Mike Tyson himself Babey!!
Xenoblade: Elma
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: donald duck
Bayonetta: A straight up demon yo
Splatoon!: Pearl and Marina

 

[blazefan519]

Hey, we all make mistakes (just the other day I called an "Isaac" who was clearly just a recoloured Roy "fairly on-model".

Another point I thought of.

Look at the unique weapons and weapon classes the characters use.

Spoiler: Long list

Marth - Falchion (a rapier)

Swords are Marth's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Marth specifically.​

Alm - Falchion (the... same one as Marth's?), Royal Sword (a Long Sword)

Alm also uses a Bow in the Hero and Conqueror classes​

Celica - Beloved Zofia (a Short Sword)

Celica can also use Magic, though not via Tomes.​

Every sword wielding character can use Rapiers in Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes​

Roy - The Binding Blade (a rapier)

Swords are Roy's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Roy specifically.​

Lyn - Mani Katti, later Sol Katti (both Katana)

Lyn can also use Bows in the Blade Lord class​

Hector - Wolf Beil, later Armads (both Axes)

Hector can use Swords in the Great Lord class​

Ike - Ragnell (a Great sword)

Ike can also use Axes in the Hero and Vanguard classes​

Chrom - Falchion (the same Falchion as Marth's, but looks different for some reason)

Chrom is also capable of using Lances in the Great Lord class.​

Lucina - Falchion (the same as Chrom's)

Lucina, like Chrom, is also capable of using Lances.​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Chrom and Lucina specifically (also Marth, by extension).​

Robin doesn't have a unique weapon of his own, but uses the Levin Sword, a Long Sword

Robin is fully represented in Smash, he can use Swords and Tomes.​

Corrin - The Yato (a Long Sword)

Corrin can also use Tomes and a Dragon Stone.​

Edelgard - Unknown, uses Swords and Axes

What is my point? Lucina uses the Falchion, and we are told it is the same one as Marth's (even if it looks different for no adequately explained reason).

Lyn has absolutely no relation to rapiers in any form, She can't even wield them in Blazing Sword (Eliwood wields Rapiers).

While Lucina can be shoe-horned logically into the Marth archetype without (much) issue, Lyn would have no logic behind being anything but unique, especially within the context of Smash. Out of the Lords I listed (potential or known Smash candidates), she is the only one who uses a Katana. Hector and Edelgard would use Axes.

Fair enough, fair enough. I'll just have to agree to disagree on this. If she can make it in, I'd be happy she is one of my favorite lords after all but I just don't see them turning assists into fully-fledged characters in the same game.

 

[Radical Bones]

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Tingle
Metroid: Dark Samus
Yoshi: Yarn Yoshi
Kirby: Marx
Star Fox: Slippy
Pokemon: Mimikyu
Mother: Porky
F-Zero: -
Ice Climber: -
Fire Emblem: Tiki
Game & Watch: -
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Wario: Mona
Metal Gear: -
Sonic: Tails
Pikmin: Louie
R.O.B.: -
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Dr. Wily
Wii Fit: -
Punch-Out: Glass Joe
Pac-Man: -
Xenoblade Chronicles: Elma
Duck Hunt: -
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: -
Bayonetta: Rodin
Splatoon: DJ Octavio

 

[L9999]

Tiers are for queers.

And they are real you like it or not.

Ashley.
Only a witch can defeat another witch.


Seriously i'm not a competitive Smash player at all. I don't know who could counter Bayo effectively, I just know she needs to be stopped.

She already got her specials nerfed, what else do you want with her? Bayo bias is what should be stopped.

If only Yoshi had his Melee era DJ Super Armor...

Super armor + no ledgehogging + egg protection = pretty safe recovery. You have to be a total scrub to be gimped as Yoshi. Also, Boshi is not a Yoshi character...

Hey, we all make mistakes (just the other day I called an "Isaac" who was clearly just a recoloured Roy "fairly on-model". )

Another point I thought of.

Look at the unique weapons and weapon classes the characters use.

Spoiler: Long list

Marth - Falchion (a rapier)

Swords are Marth's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Marth specifically.​

Alm - Falchion (the... same one as Marth's?), Royal Sword (a Long Sword)

Alm also uses a Bow in the Hero and Conqueror classes​

Celica - Beloved Zofia (a Short Sword)

Celica can also use Magic, though not via Tomes.​

Every sword wielding character can use Rapiers in Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes​

Roy - The Binding Blade (a rapier)

Swords are Roy's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Roy specifically.​

Lyn - Mani Katti, later Sol Katti (both Katana)

Lyn can also use Bows in the Blade Lord class​

Hector - Wolf Beil, later Armads (both Axes)

Hector can use Swords in the Great Lord class​

Ike - Ragnell (a Great sword)

Ike can also use Axes in the Hero and Vanguard classes​

Chrom - Falchion (the same Falchion as Marth's, but looks different for some reason)

Chrom is also capable of using Lances in the Great Lord class.​

Lucina - Falchion (the same as Chrom's)

Lucina, like Chrom, is also capable of using Lances.​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Chrom and Lucina specifically (also Marth, by extension).​

Robin doesn't have a unique weapon of his own, but uses the Levin Sword, a Long Sword

Robin is fully represented in Smash, he can use Swords and Tomes.​

Corrin - The Yato (a Long Sword)

Corrin can also use Tomes and a Dragon Stone.​

Edelgard - Unknown, uses Swords and Axes

What is my point? Lucina uses the Falchion, and we are told it is the same one as Marth's (even if it looks different for no adequately explained reason).

Lyn has absolutely no relation to rapiers in any form, She can't even wield them in Blazing Sword (Eliwood wields Rapiers).

While Lucina can be shoe-horned logically into the Marth archetype without (much) issue, Lyn would have no logic behind being anything but unique, especially within the context of Smash. Out of the Lords I listed (potential or known Smash candidates), she is the only one who uses a Katana. Hector and Edelgard would use Axes (well, probably in Edelgard's case).

The Mani Katti functions exactly like the rapier. It has a bit more crit and might.

 

[vaanrose]

Yoshi: BOSHI!!!

But Boshi's not even a Yoshi character

 

[KMDP]

The Mani Katti functions exactly like the rapier. It has a bit more crit and might.

Even if it functions like a Rapier from a gameplay perspective. It is not a Rapier, it is a Katana. That is not up for discussion.

Fair enough, fair enough. I'll just have to agree to disagree on this. If she can make it in, I'd be happy she is one of my favorite lords after all but I just don't see them turning assists into fully-fledged characters in the same game.

Yes, let's drop the discussion.

I will finish with this: Fire Emblem Awakening saving the Fire Emblem franchise wouldn't help Chrom's chances, since Lucina and Robin are already in the game.

Lyn being the first international lord in a Fire Emblem game (coming after Marth and Roy in Melee), makes her very important to the history of the series. Some would argue important enough for a playable role. (Right, Idon ? )

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What is my point? Lucina uses the Falchion, and we are told it is the same one as Marth's (even if it looks different for no adequately explained reason).

We do actually.

In Awakening we are told that the Falchion was reforged several times.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Dark Samus
Yoshi: Birdo...not a Yoshi character but why not
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Slippy
Pokemon: Detective Pikachu
Mother: Nintendo...the main character trilogy
F-Zero: - NOBODY
Ice Climber: - NOBODY
Fire Emblem: Alm, Celica, or Edelgard
Game & Watch: - NOBODY
Kid Icarus: Viridi
Wario: Ashley or Mona
Metal Gear: - the booty cheeks of Solid Snake
Sonic: Tails, Shadow, or Amy
Pikmin: NOBODY
R.O.B.: - NOBODY
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Tron
Wii Fit: - NOBODY
Punch-Out: Doc Louis
Pac-Man: - Ms. Pac-Man
Xenoblade Chronicles: Elma or Pyra/Mythra
Duck Hunt: - sadly nobody
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: - Tifa
Bayonetta: Rodin or Jeanne
Splatoon: Octolings

 

[KMDP]

We do actually.

In Awakening we are told that the Falchion was reforged several times.

Lord-who-is-not-Marth-Chrom-or-Lucina: Mr. Blacksmith, this sword's metal has worn down some, could you reforge it?
Blacksmith: Sure!
*a few days later*
Blacksmith: *hands lord a huge sword* Here! Reforged!
Lord: Umm... this is the Falchion, right?
Blacksmith: You said it had worn down, I added some metal.
Lord: ..."some", huh?

 

[WallyPalmer]

But Boshi's not even a Yoshi character

Waluigi isn’t a Wario character but his assist trophy is categorized otherwise

 

[Zinith]

But Boshi's not even a Yoshi character

Well if Boshi is ever gonna get in, he's gonna be an Echo

 

[KMDP]

Well if Boshi is ever gonna get in, he's gonna be an Echo

Realistic goals!

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Midna
Metroid: Dark Samus
Yoshi: idk
Kirby: Magolor
Star Fox: Miyu or Fay
Pokemon: Meowth
Mother: Porky
F-Zero: Goroh
Fire Emblem: Anna
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Wario: Captain Syrup
Metal Gear: - Raiden
Sonic: Tails, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman, or Blaze
Pikmin: Louie
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Mega Man: Tron Bonne
Punch-Out: King Hippo
Pac-Man: - idk
Xenoblade Chronicles: Elma
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: Vivi
Bayonetta: idk
Splatoon: Octolings

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I'll take a crack at this game:

Mario: Waluigi (Though I would still love to have Captain Toad, Geno, and Paper Mario)
Donkey Kong: K. Rool
Legend of Zelda: Revali (Skull Kid would be great too)
Metroid: Dark Samus
Yoshi: Kamek I guess?
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Star Fox: Leon
Pokemon: Anyone, I just want an Alola stage
Earthbound: Starman Deluxe
F-Zero: Black Shadow but I really don't care
Ice Climber: Nobody else they could really add.
Fire Emblem: Ephraim
Game and Watch: The one character it has basically represents every character in the series.
Kid Icarus: Viridi but I really don't care
Wario: 9-Volt (Ashley is still cool though)
Metal Gear: Raiden
Sonic: Shadow
Pikmin: The President just for the lolz
R.O.B: No one really to add unless you think Professor Hector is a possibility.
Animal Crossing: Mr. Resetti also for the lolz
Mega Man: Proto Man
Wii Fit: No one else to add
Punch-Out: Super Macho Man again for the lolz
Pac-Man: Ms. Pac-Man Echo
Xenoblade: Rex and Pyra but I really don't care
Duck Hunt: No one to add, moving on.
Street Fighter: El Fuerte for more lolz
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Rodin but I really don't care
Splatoon: Octolings

 

[Blargg888]

Hey, we all make mistakes (just the other day I called an "Isaac" who was clearly just a recoloured Roy "fairly on-model". )

Another point I thought of.

Look at the unique weapons and weapon classes the characters use.

Spoiler: Long list

Marth - Falchion (a rapier)

Swords are Marth's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Marth specifically.​

Alm - Falchion (the... same one as Marth's?), Royal Sword (a Long Sword)

Alm also uses a Bow in the Hero and Conqueror classes​

Celica - Beloved Zofia (a Short Sword)

Celica can also use Magic, though not via Tomes.​

Every sword wielding character can use Rapiers in Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes​

Roy - The Binding Blade (a rapier)

Swords are Roy's only weapon​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Roy specifically.​

Lyn - Mani Katti, later Sol Katti (both Katana)

Lyn can also use Bows in the Blade Lord class​

Hector - Wolf Beil, later Armads (both Axes)

Hector can use Swords in the Great Lord class​

Ike - Ragnell (a Great sword)

Ike can also use Axes in the Hero and Vanguard classes​

Chrom - Falchion (the same Falchion as Marth's, but looks different for some reason)

Chrom is also capable of using Lances in the Great Lord class.​

Lucina - Falchion (the same as Chrom's)

Lucina, like Chrom, is also capable of using Lances.​

Rapiers are a unique class of weapon for Chrom and Lucina specifically (also Marth, by extension).​

Robin doesn't have a unique weapon of his own, but uses the Levin Sword, a Long Sword

Robin is fully represented in Smash, he can use Swords and Tomes.​

Corrin - The Yato (a Long Sword)

Corrin can also use Tomes and a Dragon Stone.​

Edelgard - Unknown, uses Swords and Axes

What is my point? Lucina uses the Falchion, and we are told it is the same one as Marth's (even if it looks different for no adequately explained reason).

Lyn has absolutely no relation to rapiers in any form, She can't even wield them in Blazing Sword (Eliwood wields Rapiers).

While Lucina can be shoe-horned logically into the Marth archetype without (much) issue, Lyn would have no logic behind being anything but unique, especially within the context of Smash. Out of the Lords I listed (potential or known Smash candidates), she is the only one who uses a Katana. Hector and Edelgard would use Axes (well, probably in Edelgard's case).

According to Awakening, Falchion's hilt was reforged, but the blade is the same. That's why it looks different.

Alm's sword is just a different sword with the same name. It's not the same Falchion that Marth wields.

Also, you skipped Eliwood, Leif, Seliph, Sigurd, and Micaiah.

 

[Idon]

Even if it functions like a Rapier from a gameplay perspective. It is not a Rapier, it is a Katana. That is not up for discussion.

Yes, let's drop the discussion.

I will finish with this: Fire Emblem Awakening saving the Fire Emblem franchise wouldn't help Chrom's chances, since Lucina and Robin are already in the game.

Lyn being the first international lord in a Fire Emblem game (coming after Marth and Roy in Melee), makes her very important to the history of the series. Some would argue important enough for a playable role. (Right, Idon ? )

ACK-SHUALLY.
You're kinda both right.
The Mani-Katti statistically serves as basically a reskinned rapier as in an armor-mount killer that the Lord obtains early on.
Lore wise, it's obviously a Katana, but FE doesn't differentiate different swords so a knife is the same class as the Ragnell.

And yeah, Lyn is kinda important. She got a lot of people into FE, and by a lot of people, I mean everywhere that isn't Japan.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm going to play this list game to, but only with franchises I'm actually familiar with. In no particular order;

Mario: - Waluigi
Zelda: - Wolf Link & Midna
Yoshi: - Kamec
DK: - K.Rool
Pokemon: - Don't make me choose between my babies.
Fire Emblem: - See Pokemon.
Xenoblade: - Elma
Kid Icarus: - Viridi
Star Fox: - I dunno, Peppy I guess?
Kirby: - Bandana Dee
Metroid: - And idea just crossed my mind; Wouldn't having a Zeta Metroid be cool? It'd have to be resized, but not as much as a certain other guy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Waluigi isn’t a Wario character but his assist trophy is categorized otherwise

He isn't actually.

Only one direct put him in the Wario section. Every game has him in the Super Mario franchise.

 

[KMDP]

According to Awakening, Falchion's hilt was reforged, but the blade is the same. That's why it looks different.

Alm's sword is just a different sword with the same name. It's not the same Falchion that Marth wields.

Also, you skipped Eliwood, Leif, Seliph, Sigurd, and Micaiah.

Reforging the hilt shouldn't change the size of the sword, though.

Besides Micaiah (who, yes, I should have included), nobody is arguing for those other guys.

ACK-SHUALLY.
You're kinda both right.
The Mani-Katti statistically serves as basically a reskinned rapier as in an armor-mount killer that the Lord obtains early on.
Lore wise, it's obviously a Katana, but FE doesn't differentiate different swords so a knife is the same class as the Ragnell.

And yeah, Lyn is kinda important. She got a lot of people into FE, and by a lot of people, I mean everywhere that isn't Japan.

IntSys probably didn't realise how popular Lyn was until the Choose Your Legends poll. Lyn was probably an Assist Trophy simply because she was the initial lord of Blazing Blade, the first international Fire Emblem, and nothing more.

I can see the guys at Nintendo thinking "Oh crap, Lyn is way more popular than we thought!" during the CYL polls. XD

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So if everyone series had one new representative who would you choose and why? (obviously some couldn't have a new representative but the ones that can)

I'm counting third party companies as series just so you all know. I'll give my picks for the third party series as well, but I believe that no third party series should get two newcomers, and we should instead integrate more third party series.

• Mario: Geno - Easy. Dude's been waiting to get into Smash for a decade, and he'd be super cool to play as.
• Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong & Kiddy Kong - These two would be a duo, and would play out how Sakurai originally planned to have Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong play as in Brawl's conceptual stages.
• Legend of Zelda: Skull Kid - I think he'd be the best LOZ newcomer over other characters. Plus, his Final Smash could be crashing the ****ING MOON into the stage.
• Metroid: Dark Samus - Sometimes the low hanging fruit is the best.
• Yoshi: Poochy - For the memes
• Pokémon: Incineroar - I think a wrestler/grappler character would be a unique and fun addition to the roster, and that Incineroar brings more to the table than the other potential Pokémon newcomers please don't kill me.
• Mother: Ninten - Let's get all three Mother protagonists together.
• F-Zero: Black Shadow - To recreate the legendary anime scene.
• Fire Emblem: Edelgard - In an ideal world we'd have Hector, but Edelgard wields an axe and could be a promotion character, so she's the best pick.
• Kirby: Bandana Dee - Get this guy in Smash, if only so we could have a spear moveset.
• Kid Icarus: Viridi - Because of my actual bias towards the character.
• WarioWare/Wario Land series: Ashley - Again, she could have a vary unique moveset, using potions, magic spells, and other mystic stuff. She's also super popular
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Shadow - He brings the most to the table out of any Sonic character, being able to use chaos energy abilities alongside guns and whatever the **** was in Shadow the Hedgehog if they really want to go there. Tails is a close second, but Shadow arguably has a larger role in the franchise, and would be easier to make.
• R.O.B: That professor dude from Gyromite - Because why not?
• Pikmin: Alph - Someone de-alt costume this guy and give him Rock Pikmin. Make Louie the alt costume instead.
• Animal Crossing: Isabelle - She's one of the few truly iconic Nintendo characters missing at this point. Let her in the game.
• Mega Man: Zero - Megaman's second most prominent character, after Megaman himself. Dude's got his own spinoff series, has appeared in fighting games without Megaman before, and could do so much crazy stuff with the different weapons and abilities he's accumulated throughout the years.
• Punch Out!!: Glass Joe - I don't really want a Punch Out newcomer, but Glass Joe would be okay I guess. He'd make a good joke character.
• Xenoblade: Elma - Save Rex and Pyra for DLC. Elma is the better character in my opinion, and dual wielding hasn't been represented in the series yet.
• Street Fighter: Ken - He's Ryu's left-hand man, and is the clone character.
• Pac-Man: Ms. Pacman - The only real choice.
• Metal Gear: Raiden - Nanomachines, son.
• Final Fantasy: Terra Branford - Protagonist of the most popular Nintendo-based Final Fantasy. She could also bring something distinctly different from Cloud to the table, being able to use different elemental magics.
• Bayonetta: Jeanne - Kind of the only choice...
• Splatoon!: Octolings - Also kind of the only choice. DJ Octavio exists I guess, but he's better as a boss/stage hazard. Plus, with the Octo Expansion being a thing, it'd be good cross-promotion
• SEGA: Joker/Yu Narukami - After Sonic, SEGA doesn't necessarily have a next major franchise. There is Puyo Puyo, but it's only really popular in Japan, having little to no notoriety in the West. But you know what does have notoriety in both the East and West? The Shin Megamai Tensei and Persona Series. "But tehponycorn," you say, "Atlus makes those games, not SEGA!" But SEGA owns Atlas so it's the same difference. I'd love to see the playstyle of a demon summoner/stand user brought to Smash Bros, and it's either Jojo or this. I think Persona characters are more likely because Persona is overall more well-known than the mainline SMT franchise, with Persona 5 being the next big cash cow for Atlas after Persona 4 was dried up.
• Konami: Simon Belmont - This guy is the last truly iconic third party needed for Smash Bros. Castlevania was a quintessential part of the Nintendo lineup during the NES and SNES eras, and went on to define half of an entire genre of gaming (Metroidvania). Plus, a whip-based moveset would be really fun to play with.
• Square Enix: Sora - I made a way more detailed post about why I want Sora, but long story short: Kingdom Hearts is a huge crossover and it'd be cool to see it acknowledged in Smash Bros. Sora is a popular character in both the East and West, and has massive potential for a unique moveset
• Namco: Heihachi - I know, surprise surprise. The guy who's been championing a Tales of character decides to choose a Tekken character instead. It's just that Tekken is (was) a massive fighting game franchise, and was huge for Playstation back in the day. For one, I'd like to see Sakurai continue to steal prominent Playstation-era characters for Smash Bros. because it's hilarious, and it's even better because Heihachi was in Sony All-Stars. For another, we could finally have a real Street Fighter x Tekken game instead of the garbage that we actually got. Most importantly, I think if he can be implemented, he will be because he could bring something really unique to Smash Bros, just like Ryu did.

I spent way too much time on this.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Please, I'm a casual who mains Little Mac cause he's hot. Tiers are the farthest thing from my mind.

This is my favorite post in this entire thread. You can go ahead and lock it, this season is done.

 

[PSIGuy]

Lore wise, it's obviously a Katana, but FE doesn't differentiate different swords so a knife is the same class as the Ragnell.

Except when they differentiate between swords and knives, of course. Like in Path of Radiance, where Ragnell comes from lol. If they ever added another magic user from FE maybe they could be a Radiant Dawn style Sage and wield a staff or dagger for physical attacks. I'd love to see Soren shank people with a dagger or bat them with a staff.

 

[KMDP]

they could be a Radiant Dawn style Sage and wield a staff or dagger for physical attacks. I'd love to see Soren shank people with a dagger or bat them with a staff.

I'd love to see Soren shank people with a dagger or bat them with a staff.

bat them with a staff.

*tink* NO DAMAGE!

 

[Idon]

Except when they differentiate between swords and knives, of course. Like in Path of Radiance, where Ragnell comes from lol. If they ever added another magic user from FE maybe they could be a Radiant Dawn style Sage and wield a staff or dagger for physical attacks. I'd love to see Soren shank people with a dagger or bat them with a staff.

Oh right, goddammit.
The one random sword I pick is the game where it makes a difference.

 

[RandomAce]

I’m looking at this years EVO competitors.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrWiz/status/1020662865122897923
Smash 4 beat Melee by 3 people.

Although, I wonder how many entrants will sign up for Smash Ultimate when Ultimate is in the 2019 EVO lineup. What do you guys think?

I reckon it’s going to be the DBFZ of 2019.

 

[blazefan519]

I’m looking at this years EVO competitors.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrWiz/status/1020662865122897923
Smash 4 beat Melee by 3 people.

Although, I wonder how many entrants will be for next year when Ultimate is in the 2019 EVO lineup. What do you guys think?

Seeing as it will be its first EVO, I'd guess a lot lol. By then, hopefully the games mechanics and meta will have been found out leading to an impressing showing. And with Nintendo also showing interest in the competitive scene (Ultimate being playable at tournaments and cons) the entry level will be even bigger. Plus more people have Switches than they do Gamecube's and Wii U's so, there's that too.

 

[KMDP]

Oh right, goddammit.
The one random sword I pick is the game where it makes a difference.

Well, there is another game where it makes a difference.

We've got trouble!

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Speaking of things the game will do in 2019, anyone know if it will be eligible for the 2019 game awards? I know it will be far too new for the one this year.

 

[blackghost]

I saw it said a while ago that Bayonetta isn't as high risk/high reward as she is in her home game.

She is both faster and has quicker attack start-ups in Smash than in Bayonetta (the game). Obviously, slowing her down would make her much more accurate

uum where are you getting this info from?
bayonetta in her games is exponentially stronger and in canon she is faster. she does not need to be slowed down anymore in smash. she already has awful frame data on her normals. she will not outbox anyone in smash. im also curious why you'd need to slow down a character with average ground and airspeed. i mean bayonetta can't outrun rosalina comparing that to her games where she can run north of 60 mph is not game accurate.

2. her jab in bayonetta 1 and 2 and smash are almost identical to each other. both are terrible. if you have played bayonetta you know to engage a non grunt enemy you are looking for one of two things her "stinger" (in smash her dash attack) or looking for a witch time. bayonetta dash attack in smash is REALLY bad. in her game its arguably her best move for approaching regardless of the weapon you are using.

bayonetta isnt a high risk high reward character in her own games to begin with. she is a momentum character. when you get a hit you continue a combo as long as possible until the another enemy in a mob takes a swing then you witch time and continue or you use dodge offset and continue.

her major mechanical changes from her game: her brutal nerf on wick weaves and their startup, witch twist is better in smash than it is in her games, dodge offset removed, batwithin mechanically works different in smash than her games (its better in smash it does more), abk is not a multihit in smash, witch time is worse in smash(it does less), her combo ability is less open, and heel slide is slower in smash.
if she got a rework it would be to include her 2nd main game feature a second weapon set. she is using her base set of weapons but in bayonetta the game you use two sets at once. her second set would change the hitboxes on her normals and specials.

But i seriously doubt the smash fanbase could handle bayonetta using 4 swords or two swords and two whips. there'd be so much whining.

 

[Blargg888]

Reforging the hilt shouldn't change the size of the sword, though.

The size didn't really change all that much though. The only really noticeable difference between the blades is that the old Falchion is slightly thinner in the middle, but not by much at all.

If you actually compare the artwork of the blades, they're about the same size.

Plus, you make it sound like the transition was instant, but remember that there's about 2000 years between New Mystery and Awakening. It's not strange at all that Falchion's shape was altered gradually in that amount of time.

 

[KMDP]

Speaking of things the game will do in 2019, anyone know if it will be eligible for the 2019 game awards? I know it will be far too new for the one this year.

Yeah, probably.

Smash Ultimate will have come out literally the day before the Game Awards. I'd say it won't be eligible until 2019.

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Did you quote me and then edit it out? Was it an accident?

Yeah it was bro.

 

[KMDP]

uum where are you getting this info from?
bayonetta in her games is exponentially stronger and in canon she is faster. she does not need to be slowed down anymore in smash. she already has awful frame data on her normals. she will not outbox anyone in smash. im also curious why you'd need to slow down a character with average ground and airspeed. i mean bayonetta can't outrun rosalina comparing that to her games where she can run north of 60 mph is not game accurate.

2. her jab in bayonetta 1 and 2 and smash are almost identical to each other. both are terrible. if you have played bayonetta you know to engage a non grunt enemy you are looking for one of two things her "stinger" (in smash her dash attack) or looking for a witch time. bayonetta dash attack in smash is REALLY bad. in her game its arguably her best move for approaching regardless of the weapon you are using.

bayonetta isnt a high risk high reward character in her own games to begin with. she is a momentum character. when you get a hit you continue a combo as long as possible until the another enemy in a mob takes a swing then you witch time and continue or you use dodge offset and continue.

her major mechanical changes from her game: her brutal nerf on wick weaves and their startup, witch twist is better in smash than it is in her games, dodge offset removed, batwithin mechanically works different in smash than her games (its better in smash it does more), abk is not a multihit in smash, witch time is worse in smash(it does less), her combo ability is less open, and heel slide is slower in smash.
if she got a rework it would be to include her 2nd main game feature a second weapon set. she is using her base set of weapons but in bayonetta the game you use two sets at once. her second set would change the hitboxes on her normals and specials.

But i seriously doubt the smash fanbase could handle bayonetta using 4 swords or two swords and two whips. there'd be so much whining.

As I said, that was something someone else said on this thread. It was something like 2 weeks ago and I'm not going to trawl through the thread to find it.

The size didn't really change all that much though. The only really noticeable difference between the blades is that the old Falchion is slightly thinner in the middle, but not by much at all.

If you actually compare the artwork of the blades, they're about the same size.

Plus, you make it sound like the transition was instant, but remember that there's about 2000 years between New Mystery and Awakening. It's not strange at all that Falchion's shape was altered gradually in that amount of time.

Did I make it sound like the transition was instant, though? Or was that something you read into my post?

Also, if anything, the Awakening Falchion should be the one with the thinner middle. XD

 

[RandomAce]

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NOA is just complementing everyone even though most people just replied with memes.