Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

Man, I really wish they consider WWE-concept in Smash by adding championships such as World, US, Japan, Coin, Time, Women's, Lightweight, Teams, etc instead of just making **** up

...or we just get John Cena into Smash Bros...that’s all I would need

 

[Ultinarok]

We also had some hilariously bad leaks (plus one too-good-to-be-true leak that hurt my soul ;-; ) and a bunch of scenario games.

Speaking of, DaybreakHorizon got any leaks fam?

Yes, but my leak is authentic, as stated when I explained it a few pages back. And I know this because my source gave me vague, highly encompassing information that catered to my personal preferences and ended up being true.

 

[Iridium]

TMNTSSB4
Or Shaq! Simply port him over from Shaq Fu and you are good to go!

Imagine that though. Dunking on opponents would have a new meaning (in fact, make his meteor smash the strongest)!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

 

[Zinith]

I decided to extend on this idea. Came up with some... off-brand Smash Fighters... XD

Spoiler

Marrow
Asinine Ape
Lonk
Smoosh
Let's Do This!
Curbstomp
Todd
Sparklesqueak
Loogie
Famicom
Lieutenant Tiercel
Pudding Pop
[CENSORED]
Dairy
Hoser
Fire Divers
Shake
Griselda
Mr. Marrow
Sparky
Fal-kun
Merf
Lucy
Baby Lonk
Ganondork
Moo-who?
King
Ms. Play & See
Transcendental Warrior
Pot
Kettle
Naked Smoosh
Wallow
Snek
Bike
Baby Turtle, Cannabis & Saurtooth
Tiny Monkey
Lucky
Cronic
Kingsonnn Dededoo
Olly Murs
Ricola
Mr. Roboto
Tonne Lonk
Canine
Peasant
Hypergirl
Wiffed Sneaker
Rosie & Jim
Lol Mick
Croa-ga
Party? Nah...
Sock Man
:ultrobinBatman
Shork
Hoser Boy
Game Fowl Pair
Long
Claude
Maize
Muzzledagger
Squidspicion
Grisly

I like to think I came up with some gems here.

LET'S DO THIS!

 

[Iridium]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

Or, what if they added BOTW Impa? We would all be horrified, I know.

Hyrule Warriors Impa would be sweet though, and another TLOZ game will be represented (even though this is a spinoff)!

 

[Ultinarok]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

That would actually be pretty cool. At this point Impa is kind of like the Falco or Bandana Dee of Zelda. She's not quite as important to the game or the story as the other reps already in the game, but she's more notable than any of her competition and has been recurring in numerous games. Skyward Sword Impa would be cool and would rep another Zelda game design-wise, while also putting in the most significant character not to hold a Triforce piece. Not sure if I'd want her exactly as she is in Hyrule Warriors though.

 

[Chandeelure]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

That ain't Bandana Dee.

 

[KMDP]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

Okay, let's give this a go.

Weight: 88 (lighter than )​

First Jump Height: 33​

Second Jump Height: 32​

Walk Speed: 1.2​

Dash Speed: 1.5​

Run Speed: 1.7 (slightly slower than )​

Traction: 0.06​

Like Robin, Isaac is both a swordsman and a magic caster, however he is more combat oriented, so he should be faster.​

Weight: 92​

First Jump Height: 35​

Second Jump Height: 35​

Walk Speed: 1.375​

Dash Speed: 1.5​

Run Speed: 3.5​

Traction: 0.06​

Besides being Lighter and Shorter, to be true to the Sonic games Tails should have the same attributes as Sonic.​

Weight: 94 (Same as )​

First Jump Height: 35​

Second Jump Height: 35​

Walk Speed: 1.375​

Dash Speed: 1.5​

Run Speed: 3.5​

Traction: 0.03 (a little more than )​

Basically, Shadow has pretty much the same traits as Sonic, with the exception of having less traction.​

Weight: 81 (Same as , slightly lighter than )​

First Jump Height: 29​

Second Jump Height: 29​

Walk Speed: 1.4 (same as )​

Dash Speed: 2.00​

Run Speed: 2.20​

Traction: 0.07 (Same as )​

Tifa is a martial artist like Little Mac and would probably be somewhat similar, but she shouldn't be so extreme in not being an air fighter.​

Weight: 75 (Same as )​

First Jump Height: 30​

Second Jump Height: 40​

Walk Speed: 0.65 (The slowest walker)​

Dash Speed: 1.4​

Run Speed: 1.5​

Traction: 0.055​

Basically Sephiroth is slow and floaty, to attempt to balance out the range of his sword.​

Hmm... maybe I put too much thought into this.

 

[Iridium]

I decided to extend on this idea. Came up with some... off-brand Smash Fighters... XD

Spoiler

Marrow
Asinine Ape
Lonk
Smoosh
Let's Do This!
Curbstomp
Todd
Sparklesqueak
Loogie
Famicom
Lieutenant Tiercel
Pudding Pop
[CENSORED]
Dairy
Hoser
Fire Divers
Shake
Griselda
Mr. Marrow
Sparky
Fal-kun
Merf
Lucy
Baby Lonk
Ganondork
Moo-who?
King
Ms. Play & See
Transcendental Warrior
Pot
Kettle
Naked Smoosh
Wallow
Snek
Bike
Baby Turtle, Cannabis & Saurtooth
Tiny Monkey
Lucky
Cronic
Kingsonnn Dededoo
Olly Murs
Ricola
Mr. Roboto
Tonne Lonk
Canine
Peasant
Hypergirl
Wiffed Sneaker
Rosie & Jim
Lol Mick
Croa-ga
Party? Nah...
Sock Man
:ultrobinBatman
Shork
Hoser Boy
Game Fowl Pair
Long
Claude
Maize
Muzzledagger
Squidspicion
Grisly

I like to think I came up with some gems here.

Lonk? You forgot Lenk, Lunk and Lank too! I'm disappointed.

Cloud also goes by Randall.

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

I like these games, but there's just better characters to add. Palutena and another Kid Icarus Uprising rep make more sense to me, though I can imagine that everyone except Pit will be axed in the next Smash game since there's not gonna be another Kid Icarus game for a long time, according to Sakurai.

I consent, Viridi has a really good chance of being playable, she is the most represented NPC in Smash 4 next to Chrom.

• She had a Trophy and appeared in "Reset Bomb Forest" in the 3DS version
• She had a lot of voice lines in Palutena's guidance (which probably is returning)
• She got a Mii costume
• She is popular in Japan
• Sakurai created her
• Palutena has a Pallette-swap based on her

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Now there's an intresting idea for Classic mode: Having different sets to fight against that you can pick out from the outset (along with a random option). Sorta like Mortal Kombat's towers.

I'm picturing a 64 one where it's the exact stages and fighters from the original (with Jigglypuff, Ness and Falcon being the allies in the Mario Bros and Giant DK stages so everyone's there), one with the line-up of Melee's Adventure mode (Yoshi Team, Mario & Peach, Double DK, Giant DK and so on so forth), a Smash Sister one where all the female fighters/variants are foes and a villains one you fight every antagonist (Even Mario and DK if you stretch the definition).

The cherry on top would be if each ladder had it's own boss. So 64 Classic would have solo master hand, Melee Adventure would have on stage Giga Bowser, Villains would have Tabuu (villain of SSE) and Smash Sister could have... if she's not an echo, Medusa would be a cool one.

 

[SonicMario]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

(KMDP did more actual numbers but thought I'd still give this description at least)

Tails: Sonic's Luigi in more ways then one. At least one shared move (Spin Dash most likely) with slightly different properties but otherwise many different attacks that either make use of his signature two tails or refer to his technical know-how. Weighs less than Sonic, just a tad slower so that Sonic still retains his fastest ground speed character title but Tails wouldn't be a slouch in comparison. Probably would be a fighter where the best moves are in his aerials and weak/damage building ground attacks. Also a superb doubles partner with the possibility of being able to carry those with less good recoveries (Think how good a supporting and professional Tails and Little Mac duo could work) back onto the stage. Foes can also latch on but they're able to jump off at any time. No Tailsicides. Maybe heavier characters are more risky to save since they may weigh Tails down to the point of dropping both of them down (So while that's technically a Tailsicide, it's not one you want to do on purpose) But characters at around Tails weight or lighter should be little-to-no problem.

 

[Noipoi]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

"How's an old lady gonna fight?"

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

Let's see…

Shantae - Middleweight, hitbox may be wonky due to her hair.

Rayman - Lightweight, seeing as he doesn't even have limbs to begin with. Each body part that attacks has its own hitbox.

Crash Bandicoot - Middleweight, although his spin attack could allow him to gently fall back down onto a surface, if need be.

Shovel Knight - Heavyweight, regardless of whether he'll be tall or SD. Guy's covered from head to toe with armor, you know.

Dixie Kong - Middle to lightweight, around Diddy's range. Like for Crash, her helicopter maneuver can allow a slow descent.

Does anybody else recognize this character? You will be blessed with your main not being low tier if you get it right. I don't think this character is very likely, but his games were received pretty well to note regardless.

Ah yes, good old Beyond Oasis. I guess this means Luigi is safe for another day.

...or we just get John Cena into Smash Bros...that’s all I would need

Nah, just get a Pro Wrestling NES character (most likely Star Man) and SUPER! MACHO! MAN!!! and we're golden.

I consent, Viridi has a really good chance of being playable, she is the most represented NPC in Smash 4 next to Chrom.

• She had a Trophy and appeared in "Reset Bomb Forest" in the 3DS version
• She had a lot of voice lines in Palutena's guidance (which probably is returning)
• She got a Mii costume
• She is popular in Japan
• Sakurai created her
• Palutena has a Pallette-swap based on her

Meanwhile, the noteworthiest villains have to be in, too (Medusa, Hades and, if one feels very generous, Pandora).

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Hello all. Like your drug dealer pharmacist, I have another dose of "leaks" for y'all.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

The direct will be about 20 minutes on July 22nd-27th but I don’t know the exact date
First 3DS headlines.
Luigi’s Mansion releases on October 21st.
Mario and Luigi: BIS+BJJ releases in April
That’s all for 3DS headlines and then the online service launches September 14th
Switch headlines next
TWEWYFR launches on November 4th
The new Yoshi game will launch in summer 2019 and be called Yoshi’s crafty island
A new Mario baseball game will release in spring 2019
Kingdom Hearts 3 will release on switch in 2019
A trailer for Megaman 11 will be shown off
Darks Souls Remastered will release on August 29th
A Splatoon 2 trailer for new stages and weapons will be shown along with a new ranked mode in development
A Smash Bros. Ultimate trailer for Dixie Kong and King K. Rool will shown along with smash run and smash tour

Same old direct leak tropes. I can't wait for no reveals to happen during July so that 1/4 of all leaks die.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

ND July 19th

Welcome to the latest Nintendo Direct! Watch the presentation for new information on what's heading to Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS family systems over the next few months.


3DS Headlines

Wario Ware Gold (27/07)
Yokai Watch Blasters (07/09)
Luigi's Mansion (21/09)
WarioLand Awazon's Quest (19/10)
Yokai Watch 3 (09/11)
The Legend of Zelda: Awakening (23/11)
Mario & Luigi Bowser inside Story (01/2019)


Switch Headlines

Kirby Star Allies DLC (27/07)
Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'N Fun! (24/08)
Monster Hunter Generations (28/08)
Dark Souls (31/08)
The World ends with you (14/09)
Undertale (20/09)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 DLC (21/09)
Valkyria Chronicles 4 (25/09)
Third Party Showcase (various)
Super Mario Party (05/10)
Shovel Knight + King of cards + amiibo pack (05/10)
Megaman 11 (19/10)
New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (26/10)
Travis Strikes Back (26/10)
Paper Mario Color Splash (Switch+3DS) (02/11)
Team Sonic Racing (holiday 2018)
GTA 5 (23/11)
Super Smash Bros Ultimate (07/12)

Not really a Smash leak, but I felt that I should include it nonetheless.

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

With Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the horizon, many are excited to see who will be joining the fight this time. With the main focus of Ultimate being "Everyone is here!", there won't be many newcomers, as Sakurai stated before.

Newcomers.

1) King K. Rool (DK)
2) Ashley (WarioWare)
3) Bandana Dee (Kirby); hence why he is missing in the crowd during King Dedede's FS.
4) Elma (Xenoblade)
5) Dixie Kong (DK); she has avoided the EF status as she has a different moveset compared to fellow DK rep, Diddy Kong.

Echo Fighters.

1) Dark Samus (Metroid); hence why the DS alt for Samus is missing.
2) Ninten (EarthBound)

Modes.

1) Classic Mode has been revamped to be similar to Melee's CM.
2) Adventure Mode has been revamped and is making a return.
3) Target Smash is returning.
4) Board the platforms is also returning.
5) Smash Run and Smash Tour have been revamped are making a return.
6) Master Orders/Crazy Orders are also returning.
7) No story mode of any sort.

Assist Trophies.

1) Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic) is still an AT.
2) Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda) is still an AT.
3) Magnus (Kid Icarus) is still an AT.
4) Phosphora (Kid Icarus) is still an AT.
5) Tingle (Legend of Zelda) is still an AT.
6) Elec Man (Mega Man) is still an AT.
7) Dillon (Dillon's Rolling Western) is still an AT.
8) Waluigi will remain an AT and will not be changed to playable status.

DLC.

Currently at this time in development, DLC isn't planned.

Same old boring, safe predictions. That's it.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

Hey /v/, I have some knowledge about Smash Ultimate to drop on you. It's not everything about the game but it's what i've heard.

Here are the characters getting in.
K Rool is in if you couldn't already assume that, he placed pretty high in the ballot.
Chorus Kids who were planned for Smash 4, but because the 3DS is a ****ty system they couldn't add them, they were planning some rhythm system for them.
Simon Belmont has been leaked elsewhere but I don't know if their sources are accurate or not, but he is in.
Qbby is the name of the guy from Boxboy, I really don't know why he's in but it's cute.
Bandana Dee because he also placed high in the ballot.
Shadow is an echo of Sonic and his assist trophy was removed.
Another assist trophy is being upgraded to a character, i'm choosing not to say their name because I want to see how this board reacts to them.
Joker who was added later in development after Persona 5's release.

Here are some stages.
SR388
Pushmo
Gangplank Galleon
Nintendo Land
Aether Foundation which transitions into Ultra Space
Lorule
A Rhythm Heaven Remix stage, with multiple minigames
Dracula's Castle
Sae's Palace

I also got some new assist trophies.
Flipnote Frog
Geno
Monita
Andy
Captain Toad
Professor Layton
Phoenix Wright
Chibi-Robo
Jibanyan
Before he became an assist trophy Rodin was gonna be an echo of Bayonetta, they decided against it though for some reason.

eat **** eileen you brought this upon yourself

First, I love the ending to this leak. I assume the assist trophy is Ashley, as /v/ is very divided on her inclusion (someone made a thread faking Ashley being dis-confirmed during the Jump Victory Carnival and proceeded to laugh at Ashley fans). I'd be very okay with this roster. Joker being added after the release of Persona 5, while kind of difficult to believe, makes some sense? Persona 5 released in September 2016, so they'd have over a year to work on him. Cutting it close, but it's feasible. Joker and Qbby would be a surprise for sure, but a welcome one. Speaking of, Persona 5 for PS4 is $30 (PS3 version is $20) if you have Amazon Prime today. That's a pretty good deal. I just bought it and I'm pretty excited (I still have a lot of other games to finish though, but I'll likely drop them to play Persona 5).

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

A few things you may need to know about Smash Ultimate:

There are 7 newcomers left,
> K. Rool (66)
> Skull Kid (67)
> Decidueye (68)
> Simon Belmont (69)
> Elma (70)
> Karate Joe (71)
> Shadow (38e)

There are 9 new stages left
>Gangplank Galleom
>Clocktown
>Aether Paradise
>Virtual Boy
>Dracula's Castle
>Tetris
>Rhythm Heaven
>Paper Mario 2
>New StarFox stage in the SNES style

These are new modes that are in the game
>Melee target test is back
>64's board the platforms is back
>A new mode called Smashketball is coming
>Smash Run is back and it has 4 player split screen and online
>A new Melee style adventure mode is coming
>An N64 classic mode will be able for DLC on Smash's 20th anniversary

Same old story, same old song and dance!

That Nintendo Direct leak with Jade has also been reposted at least twice, not that that means anything.

 

[Zinith]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

Boshi would have more heavyweight attributes than Yoshi (who's already pretty heavy), that being weight and power, but slower ground and air speed.

 

[KMDP]

Lonk? You forgot Lenk, Lunk and Lank too! I'm disappointed.

Well, obviously they're his alts, duh.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

dont tease me like that swampy

 

[Impa4Smash]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

I’ll change my profile pic to her Smash image

 

[Zinith]

Oh and btw KMDP , Boshi got a new supporter this afternoon, bumping him up to 3

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Your reaction if Impa gets in with a Hyrule Warriors style moveset?

I’d be happy to get a new Zelda rep, but Impa’s pretty low on my list of wanted characters. Despite being a recurring character, she’s not that impactful.

I’d prefer Urbosa, Midna, Revali, Skull Kid, and a bunch of others before her.

Bonus points if she goes for the naginata though.

Or, what if they added BOTW Impa? We would all be horrified, I know.

It’d be like WFT - someone who seems so bizarre but oddly fun to play. If only to troll opponents...

Hyrule Warriors Impa would be sweet though, and another TLOZ game will be represented (even though this is a spinoff)!

HW was awesome in every way. I really want DLC costumes (especially the Dorf!). And the music! Incredible - HW version of Molgera was the best remix I’ve heard. I actually had to stop playing to enjoy the music

 

[Iridium]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

Simon Belmont
Weight: 106 (Slightly above & )
Dash: 1.4
Run: 1.5
Traction: 0.07
Jump Height: 33
Short Hop Height: 15
Midair Jump Height: 35
Walk: 1.3 (pretty fast walker)

Also KMDP , I like your changes! What do you think some of the veterans should have been like in Smash?

 

[Idon]

I wish Hyrule Warriors went with the Naginata as the default weapon. As it is, that greatsword seems entirely uncharacteristic of a ninja

 

[BrytonJ]

While we're talking about weight I got an idea.

What do you all think of the attributes your most wanted newcomers might have if they were to be playable?

Not sure if Chibi-Robo would be heavy because Robo or light because Chibi.

 

[Dracyoshi]

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.

Not sure if Chibi-Robo would be heavy because Robo or light because Chibi.

Middleweight, then!

 

[Iridium]

Hello all. Like your drug dealer pharmacist, I have another dose of "leaks" for y'all.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

The direct will be about 20 minutes on July 22nd-27th but I don’t know the exact date
First 3DS headlines.
Luigi’s Mansion releases on October 21st.
Mario and Luigi: BIS+BJJ releases in April
That’s all for 3DS headlines and then the online service launches September 14th
Switch headlines next
TWEWYFR launches on November 4th
The new Yoshi game will launch in summer 2019 and be called Yoshi’s crafty island
A new Mario baseball game will release in spring 2019
Kingdom Hearts 3 will release on switch in 2019
A trailer for Megaman 11 will be shown off
Darks Souls Remastered will release on August 29th
A Splatoon 2 trailer for new stages and weapons will be shown along with a new ranked mode in development
A Smash Bros. Ultimate trailer for Dixie Kong and King K. Rool will shown along with smash run and smash tour

Same old direct leak tropes. I can't wait for no reveals to happen during July so that 1/4 of all leaks die.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

ND July 19th

Welcome to the latest Nintendo Direct! Watch the presentation for new information on what's heading to Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS family systems over the next few months.


3DS Headlines

Wario Ware Gold (27/07)
Yokai Watch Blasters (07/09)
Luigi's Mansion (21/09)
WarioLand Awazon's Quest (19/10)
Yokai Watch 3 (09/11)
The Legend of Zelda: Awakening (23/11)
Mario & Luigi Bowser inside Story (01/2019)


Switch Headlines

Kirby Star Allies DLC (27/07)
Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'N Fun! (24/08)
Monster Hunter Generations (28/08)
Dark Souls (31/08)
The World ends with you (14/09)
Undertale (20/09)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 DLC (21/09)
Valkyria Chronicles 4 (25/09)
Third Party Showcase (various)
Super Mario Party (05/10)
Shovel Knight + King of cards + amiibo pack (05/10)
Megaman 11 (19/10)
New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (26/10)
Travis Strikes Back (26/10)
Paper Mario Color Splash (Switch+3DS) (02/11)
Team Sonic Racing (holiday 2018)
GTA 5 (23/11)
Super Smash Bros Ultimate (07/12)

Not really a Smash leak, but I felt that I should include it nonetheless.

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

With Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the horizon, many are excited to see who will be joining the fight this time. With the main focus of Ultimate being "Everyone is here!", there won't be many newcomers, as Sakurai stated before.

Newcomers.

1) King K. Rool (DK)
2) Ashley (WarioWare)
3) Bandana Dee (Kirby); hence why he is missing in the crowd during King Dedede's FS.
4) Elma (Xenoblade)
5) Dixie Kong (DK); she has avoided the EF status as she has a different moveset compared to fellow DK rep, Diddy Kong.

Echo Fighters.

1) Dark Samus (Metroid); hence why the DS alt for Samus is missing.
2) Ninten (EarthBound)

Modes.

1) Classic Mode has been revamped to be similar to Melee's CM.
2) Adventure Mode has been revamped and is making a return.
3) Target Smash is returning.
4) Board the platforms is also returning.
5) Smash Run and Smash Tour have been revamped are making a return.
6) Master Orders/Crazy Orders are also returning.
7) No story mode of any sort.

Assist Trophies.

1) Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic) is still an AT.
2) Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda) is still an AT.
3) Magnus (Kid Icarus) is still an AT.
4) Phosphora (Kid Icarus) is still an AT.
5) Tingle (Legend of Zelda) is still an AT.
6) Elec Man (Mega Man) is still an AT.
7) Dillon (Dillon's Rolling Western) is still an AT.
8) Waluigi will remain an AT and will not be changed to playable status.

DLC.

Currently at this time in development, DLC isn't planned.

Same old boring, safe predictions. That's it.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

Hey /v/, I have some knowledge about Smash Ultimate to drop on you. It's not everything about the game but it's what i've heard.

Here are the characters getting in.
K Rool is in if you couldn't already assume that, he placed pretty high in the ballot.
Chorus Kids who were planned for Smash 4, but because the 3DS is a ****ty system they couldn't add them, they were planning some rhythm system for them.
Simon Belmont has been leaked elsewhere but I don't know if their sources are accurate or not, but he is in.
Qbby is the name of the guy from Boxboy, I really don't know why he's in but it's cute.
Bandana Dee because he also placed high in the ballot.
Shadow is an echo of Sonic and his assist trophy was removed.
Another assist trophy is being upgraded to a character, i'm choosing not to say their name because I want to see how this board reacts to them.
Joker who was added later in development after Persona 5's release.

Here are some stages.
SR388
Pushmo
Gangplank Galleon
Nintendo Land
Aether Foundation which transitions into Ultra Space
Lorule
A Rhythm Heaven Remix stage, with multiple minigames
Dracula's Castle
Sae's Palace

I also got some new assist trophies.
Flipnote Frog
Geno
Monita
Andy
Captain Toad
Professor Layton
Phoenix Wright
Chibi-Robo
Jibanyan
Before he became an assist trophy Rodin was gonna be an echo of Bayonetta, they decided against it though for some reason.

eat **** eileen you brought this upon yourself

First, I love the ending to this leak. I assume the assist trophy is Ashley, as /v/ is very divided on her inclusion (someone made a thread faking Ashley being dis-confirmed during the Jump Victory Carnival and proceeded to laugh at Ashley fans). I'd be very okay with this roster. Joker being added after the release of Persona 5, while kind of difficult to believe, makes some sense? Persona 5 released in September 2016, so they'd have over a year to work on him. Cutting it close, but it's feasible. Joker and Qbby would be a surprise for sure, but a welcome one. Speaking of, Persona 5 for PS4 is $30 (PS3 version is $20) if you have Amazon Prime today. That's a pretty good deal. I just bought it and I'm pretty excited (I still have a lot of other games to finish though, but I'll likely drop them to play Persona 5).

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

A few things you may need to know about Smash Ultimate:

There are 7 newcomers left,
> K. Rool (66)
> Skull Kid (67)
> Decidueye (68)
> Simon Belmont (69)
> Elma (70)
> Karate Joe (71)
> Shadow (38e)

There are 9 new stages left
>Gangplank Galleom
>Clocktown
>Aether Paradise
>Virtual Boy
>Dracula's Castle
>Tetris
>Rhythm Heaven
>Paper Mario 2
>New StarFox stage in the SNES style

These are new modes that are in the game
>Melee target test is back
>64's board the platforms is back
>A new mode called Smashketball is coming
>Smash Run is back and it has 4 player split screen and online
>A new Melee style adventure mode is coming
>An N64 classic mode will be able for DLC on Smash's 20th anniversary

Same old story, same old song and dance!

That Nintendo Direct leak with Jade has also been reposted at least twice, not that that means anything.

Everybody when the leaks are revealed to be terribly wrong:

 

[Idon]

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.
Middleweight, then!

Shadow Moses is the first thing you see in MGS.

 

[KMDP]

Also KMDP , I like your changes! What do you think some of the veterans should have been like in Smash?

"Changes"? I'm not sure I get what you mean.

 

[Zinith]

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.
Middleweight, then!

Planet Zebes is all of Metroid 1, Super Metroid and Metroid: Zero Mission, although I believe the stage in question is either referencing Brinstar or Kraid's Lair.

Pyrosphere is mid-game in Other M

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.
Middleweight, then!

Fourside is I’d say midway through EarthBound. Magicant is the start of the late game segment, iirc.

 

[KMDP]

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.

Castle Siege is just a generic castle that represents battle in Fire Emblem games, it's not actually a place in any Fire Emblem to my knowledge.
Fourside is near the end of Earthbound, I think?
Magicant is complicated, I think you go to it repeatedly throughout Mother.
Idon already covered Shadow Moses,
Don't know about the Metroid stages.

 

[Zinith]

Fourside is I’d say midway through EarthBound. Magicant is the start of the late game segment, iirc.

Although the Magicant stage is the one from Mother 1, and that's all throughout the game

 

[monadoboy]

Castle Siege

Castle Siege is 100% made up for Smash.

 

[Mutsukki]

Although the Magicant stage is the one from Mother 1, and that's all throughout the game

That's what they said. Magicant in Earthbound only appears at the very end, while in Mother 1 it's beginning-ish and can be accessed any time (though you have to go through it late in the game too)

 

[Mc.Rad]

The fact that Chibi Robo isn't a in these leaks is a testament that these leakers hate fun

 

[GunBlaze]

Joker who was added later in development after Persona 5's release.

Joker? Of all people?

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVj0Z6ahcI

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I just noticed that papagenos posted a video covering the possible July 22 direct leak. Not sure if it's a good idea.

Without spoilers, how far into each game are these stages?

• Castle Siege
• Fourside
• Magicant
• Orbital Gate Assault
• Planet Zebes
• Pyrosphere
• Shadow Moses Island

Early game, mid game, or late game?
Asking because I want to make some graphs and haven't played the games these stages are from.
yes this means I haven't played Earthbound... I bought it on Virtual Console and never touched it like a game on a Steam sale. Feels bad.
Middleweight, then!

Shadow Moses is the entire danged setting of MGS1.

 

[Iridium]

"Changes"? I'm not sure I get what you mean.

Oh, I just meant attributes, not changes. Sorry for the confusion there.

 

[KMDP]

Oh, I just meant attributes, not changes. Sorry for the confusion there.

Oh! I thought that's what you meant, just wanted to be sure.

To answer your question, I don't actually think there'd be much I'd change about the fighters' attributes, to be honest.

I do find it weird how light a lot of the girls are, though (Example: Why is the 6 foot tall Samus lighter out of her armour than the 3' 3" Sonic?)