Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pyra]

Wait!! Hold on... What do you mean a Netflix series? Is Captain N back again! O.O

Castlevania has a Netflix series, not Captain N.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Wait!! Hold on... What do you mean a Netflix series? Is Captain N back again! O.O

No. they're making a Netflix Castlevania cartoon.
Honestly I'm kinda glad Captain N isn't back xD

 

[DoctorSanity]

No. they're making a Netflix Castlevania cartoon.
Honestly I'm kinda glad Captain N isn't back xD

When this game means "Everyone is here!" they might mean everyone...

 

[drag0nscythe]

I kinda take my integrity seriously and dropped the ball a bit by not thinking at all about my presented argument, so if anyone ever really wanted to have a serious meta-conversation about Smash speculation, feel free to PM me and I'd love to talk.

I feel, now, that I should make a moveset (my first!) for Goemon so I can illustrate the character for those unfamiliar, just for fun.

I know his chances are low, conpared to simon, but i orefer hin more.

Cant wait to see what you come up with

 

[Deleted member]

Is dark samas the closest newcomer to being confirmed outside of the ones that are already confirmed no assist trophy yet samas's suit is gone it seems pretty likely to me

 

[Pakky]

Of characters that make up a series (like when you think of the franchise as a whole) who are we missing from each franchise represented in smash?

I'm talking base teams side kicks villans ect.

Captain Toad

E Gadd?

Black Shadow or Deathborn

Blues or Base

7th gen guy

Hades or medusa


Ashely


Ken or Chun Li

Jeanne

BWD

King K rool or Dixie

 

[TMNTSSB4]

When this game means "Everyone is here!" they might mean everyone...

Captain Rainbow

 

[Pakky]

Captain Rainbow

Low key, that'd be hot

 

[P.Kat]

OMG just got to see the trailer!

YOU CAN RIDE ARCANINE!!!

It's great to see some awesomeness for one of my old favorites!!

Oh, right - Smash...uh...
Wouldn't it be cool to have Arcanine or Growlithe as a Pokéball?

Pokéball is fine, but If there was any Pokémon I'd break my 'No more playable Gen 1 newcomer for Smash' rule for... it'd be for Arcanine.

Can a mankey ride a jynx?

Or can we get some hot caterpie on snorlax action?

Nope gotta settle for hot Skitty on Wailord action in Hoenn remake of Go instead (they are actually breedable in the game)

I'd be okay with that.

Make it a reboot where you can play as both Fox and Krystal (or just Krystal), both share the staff. Fox has stronger moves but slightly slower moves, while Krystal would use slightly faster moves. Depending on how well the two work together, and the decisions one another, or both make, you can form, and change the relationship of the two through out the journey.

 

[Deleted member]

Captain Rainbow

Dora the explorer lol or more down to earth metal sonic

 

[Pakky]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mimikyu

Daily reminder of Mimikyu's impact.

The memes aren't the point the point is that people care enough collectively to make honest fan art and such of Mimikyu its not just like a bunch of jokes piled together.

 

[Polan]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mimikyu

Daily reminder of Mimikyu's impact.

if memes are now being used to gauge a characters chances....home depot confirmed.

 

[Pakky]

if memes are now being used to gauge a characters chances....home depot confirmed.

That's not the point.

 

[Deleted member]

if memes are now being used to gauge a characters chances....home depot confirmed.

Phil Swift confirmed apparently??

 

[Pyra]

if memes are now being used to gauge a characters chances....home depot confirmed.

Finally. My main.

Are we about to have another Mimikyu talk
Oh snap

 

[drag0nscythe]

Avtually, i have an old goemon moveset lying around. Going to see if i can dig it up.

 

[Pakky]

Phil Swift confirmed apparently??

That wasn't the point.

The point was people care enough collectively to make honest fan art and such of Mimikyu its not just like a bunch of jokes piled together.

 

[Idon]

if memes are now being used to gauge a characters chances....home depot confirmed.

DUDE.
MARA FOR SMASH.

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO PLAY AS A GIANT GREEN WANG RIDING A GOLDEN CHARIOT

 

[Deleted member]

Avtually, i have an old goemon moveset lying around. Going to see if i can dig it up.

I have a Dora one I must find it I will probably post it in pool room I have a Phil Swift one two

 

[P.Kat]

She's made constant appearances though.

Moreover, Amy is one of the first characters playable in spin offs.

You're trying to downplay Amy, but as it stands, she's one of the most important characters in the franchise and joins the group of Tails, Eggman, Knuckles and Shadow as Sonic mainstays.

That said, we are either getting Tails due to seniority or Shadow due to popularity. No one else is in the running right now.

Pushes forward Blaze the Cat.

 

[drag0nscythe]

www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7044585&postcount=606

Not sure if good still. Might update.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Of characters that make up a series (like when you think of the franchise as a whole) who are we missing from each franchise represented in smash?

I'm talking base teams side kicks villans ect.

Captain Toad

E Gadd?

Black Shadow or Deathborn

Blues or Base

7th gen guy

Hades or medusa


Ashely


Ken or Chun Li

Jeanne

BWD

King K rool or Dixie

For , I'd say aside from Captain Toad, maybe Pauline. Geno and Birdo being nice bonuses.

still needs the DK Crew as well as Cranky and Funky (those two are honorary sidekicks nowadays).

also needs Mona and Captain Syrup.

could have Adeleine and Marx as well, though it's a big maybe.

might need Doc Louie and a rival boxer (probably Mr. Sandman or SUPER! MACHO! MAN!!!).

could have DJ Octavio, the only choice that makes sense if one doesn't conscribe to the Octoling echo theory.

has to have Kamek. Poochy is a huge maybe.

, well, I guess Fiora would do in his case (putting aside the heroes of other entries).

might have Tails, Amy and/or Dr. Eggman, if they actually take that route at all. Otherwise, new Sega IP rep or bust.

is covered unless people ask loudly for Dark Samus and Sylux.

Kinda like the idea ofgetting King Boo, but otherwise it's not necessary.

 

[92MilesPrower]

*AUX CALL PUSH SELECT*

Snake: Otacon, it looks like who I'm fighting is more interested in reading rather than fighting. That must be a really good book if they're reading it in the middle of battle, or they're trying to cram for a test...

Otacon: That's a tome filled with a wide variety of spells rather than any normal book, Snake. Robin is a spellcaster, being able to use powerful spells like Thoron and Elwind among others to attack, but that's only when their tome isn't used up.

Snake: What do you mean used up? Do they have to stop in the middle of battle to return their spell book to the library or something?

Otacon: No, that's not even close. After using so many spells, they're unable to use their tome and literally toss it away. Eventually they pull a new one of the same kind... out of nowhere... okay, now it seems really strange, saying it out loud.

Snake: Yeah, where in the world do they get more books? Are their robes actually like a giant trench coat that can fit about 50 of them? And where are they getting the money to even buy all of them anyways?

Otacon: I think we should worry about all of that some other time... This is getting more confusing by the minute.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The funny thing about Decidueye being this massive apparent fan favorite is that before I came back to discuss this speculation period?

I never even heard about him when Gen 7 Pokemon came up.

It was mostly Mimikyu, Alolan forms of previous Gen 1 Pokemon, Rowlett, Litten, Lycanroc, Ultra Beasts, and hell even Bewear I heard more about.

Decidueye being such a shoo-in and this fan want that Sakurai can't ignore has always felt like something created in a lab by the Smash fanbase to me, but maybe I'm running around the wrong websites when I'm away, who knows.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a neat Pokemon, but it just feels like another situation where he's mostly popular because people have this need for a solo grass starter rep, much like Sceptile before it.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

The funny thing about Decidueye being this massive apparent fan favorite is that before I came back to discuss this speculation period?

I never even heard about him when Gen 7 Pokemon came up.

It was mostly Mimikyu, Alolan forms of previous Gen 1 Pokemon, Rowlett, Litten, Lycanroc, Ultra Beasts, and hell even Bewear I heard more about.

Decidueye being such a shoo-in and this fan want that Sakurai can't ignore has always felt like something created in a lab by the Smash fanbase to me, but maybe I'm running around the wrong websites when I'm away, who knows.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a neat Pokemon, but it just feels like another situation where he's mostly popular because people have this need for a solo grass starter rep, much like Sceptile before it.

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended) but basically.

I mean as a starter and unique design he's obviously a definite possibility but there's two things that really made him grow popular in the echo chambers of Smash speculation. First is the fact Greninja was chosen. I never felt like starters were the got
to representives in speculation until Greninja got chosen. We had never had a starter chosen before, besides the Pokemon Trainer which represented the starter trio. But after Greninja we had 2 (Greninja & Charizard). That and Decidueye and Greninja are super similar in their archetype of cool edgy Pokemon, which also kinda fits with Lucario, but I digress.

That leads to my second which is the grass starter trio thing. I won't harp on it too much but it's real suspicious that it went from Sceptile during the dlc period, Decideueye to pre E3 and now a lot more backing behind Lycanroc now that we have our starter trio.

I know there are a lot of people who genuinely want Decideueye, I am one, but it was literally the definition of bandwagon, as from the start Inceniroar has always been a more likely starter pick.

Now I wait to be told I'm wrong and that Decideueye is the most loved, most logical Gen 7 pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[92MilesPrower]

Tomorrow's preview:

Snake: I swear I brought earplugs with me this time around...

Next up:

 

[Slavic]

image the insane hype if Pyukumuku was revealed as the Alolan Pokemon choice

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Bit late on that Goemon-talk here, but I'm also a long-time fan of the series, though the times I fiddled with it has gone way years back. I played through most of the SNES-games + tried bit of the N64-games as well. Absolutely love the series though, probably one of the most charming and fun games that are able to rival likes of other platform mascots. I'm sure Goemon was a stand-in for that next to Castlevania back in the day.

I though have to admit that due Goemon's overall obscurity today, I can't really see him in Smash these days. Just wish he was more around, that way I could have seen him be rallied probably as much as Banjo-Kazooie or Rayman.

Still, if it's any constolation to you Pyra , Konami did tribute to Goemon heavily in their other properties back in the 90s, such as Parodius-series which had one of the games feature a full-blown Goemon-level at one point,, right down to the stage elements ripped from some parts of Legend of Mystical Ninja SNES and Ganbare Goemon SFC 2.

Anyway, I can only hope Goemon and friends return one day - quite do miss those guys whenever I revisit these series.

 

[Deleted member]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mimikyu

Daily reminder of Mimikyu's impact.

Where's my playable Waluigi then? I mean we are talking about MEMES now aren't we?

 

[papagenos]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended) but basically.

I mean as a starter and unique design he's obviously a definite possibility but there's two things that really made him grow popular in the echo chambers of Smash speculation. First is the fact Greninja was chosen. I never felt like starters were the got
to representives in speculation until Greninja got chosen. We had never had a starter chosen before, besides the Pokemon Trainer which represented the starter trio. But after Greninja we had 2 (Greninja & Charizard). That and Decidueye and Greninja are super similar in their archetype of cool edgy Pokemon, which also kinda fits with Lucario, but I digress.

That leads to my second which is the grass starter trio thing. I won't harp on it too much but it's real suspicious that it went from Sceptile during the dlc period, Decideueye to pre E3 and now a lot more backing behind Lycanroc now that we have our starter trio.

I know there are a lot of people who genuinely want Decideueye, I am one, but it was literally the definition of bandwagon, as from the start Inceniroar has always been a more likely starter pick.

Now I wait to be told I'm wrong and that Decideueye is the most loved, most logical Gen 7 pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

100% agree with this, and i think decidueye is the coolest of the "likely" pokemon but still i'm not blind to the fact his popularity for smash and liklihood rose completely on our side of the table and not nintendo/sakurais. if he's in it will be entirely a greninja story again where sakurai simply liked the concept art and chose him on his own. Its extremely unlikely if the pokemon company or fan demand was listened to at the time of choosing smash characters he'd have much of a chance.

mimikyu, incineroar, lycanroc were all used as promotional hype pokemon much more than decidueye.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So, I did some pointless thinking because someone's gotta do it. It concerns the Blog.

I decided to count how many days we can get without having a veteran fighter slapped on to it.

So I did my math. First, how many days between the reveal at E3 and the release date?

Spoiler: Math!

Reveal date: June 12th
Release date: December 7th

In order to have an accurate count, we need to check how many days each month from reveal to release has (except December because it's kinda pointless), so let's check our calendars!

June is a 30-day month. Minus 12 days because the game was announced on the 12th, so we get 18 days from the get go (12th to 30th).

As for the next five months...

July: 31
August: 31
September: 30
October: 31
November: 30

31 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 30 = 153

These five months combined have 153 days in total. Add to that the 18 days from June and we get 171 days in total.

Then we add 7 more days because of the December 7th release. 178

tl:dr 178 days of speculation

But we're not getting a blog post every single day, are we? No, it happens only days times per week, so we need to find out the amount of days where the blog updates.

Spoiler: More math!

First things first, we remove three days in order to know the number of full weeks. Knowing the amount of weeks will just simplify everything.

Why three days? Because the game was revealed on a Tuesday and will be released on a Friday, thus 3 days. But we'll use that number later.

So with 175 days, we get...

Exactly 25 weeks.

25 weeks x 4 days a week where we get info = 100 days in total where we get info

But we need to put back the 3 days we took out earlier to get the true amount of days where the website will send a blogpost, thus giving us 103 days.

tl;dr 103 days where the blog gets updated

We've already gone through 19 of those days, giving us 84 left. But what to expect in those days?

Well... we'll need to see what we got so far.

Spoiler: Even more math!

Now, for the sake of simplyfying things, I'll divide the type of blog posts in two categories; days where a veteran is shown and days where there isn't.

There are a total of ALL veterans coming to Ultimate. In other words, 65.

But it's not exactly 65 posts we'll get, because Pokemon Trainer and the Mii Fighters are three characters in a single slot. Which means six characters in two slots, so we need to remove 4 from the amount of veterans.

65 - 4 = 61

So far, from the 19 days we've got an update, 14 had a veteran.



We'll need to remove them.

61 - 14 = 47

And we also need to know how much of the "everything else" was shown, which is as simple as...

103 total days - 61 veteran days = 42 days

Yeah, that.

How how many of those did we get so far? Thankfully, we know the answer through elemination process.

We got an update on 19 days, 14 had a veteran. So obviously, five of them did not.

But how many of those days can we get? Well, that's also simple.

42 - 5 = 37

37 days. That's quite a lot, honestly.

tl;dr 47 updates with a veteran shown and 37 without

If they keep the three to four veteran a week pattern, it's only a matter of time before we get every veteran covered, leaving only the days where they can only share new stuff. And it's not like they can "enterain" us with come returning cuts, as only Pichu and Wolf are yet to be in the blog.

Not sure why I did that. Was probably just bored.

 

[RandomAce]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended) but basically.

I mean as a starter and unique design he's obviously a definite possibility but there's two things that really made him grow popular in the echo chambers of Smash speculation. First is the fact Greninja was chosen. I never felt like starters were the got
to representives in speculation until Greninja got chosen. We had never had a starter chosen before, besides the Pokemon Trainer which represented the starter trio. But after Greninja we had 2 (Greninja & Charizard). That and Decidueye and Greninja are super similar in their archetype of cool edgy Pokemon, which also kinda fits with Lucario, but I digress.

That leads to my second which is the grass starter trio thing. I won't harp on it too much but it's real suspicious that it went from Sceptile during the dlc period, Decideueye to pre E3 and now a lot more backing behind Lycanroc now that we have our starter trio.

I know there are a lot of people who genuinely want Decideueye, I am one, but it was literally the definition of bandwagon, as from the start Inceniroar has always been a more likely starter pick.

Now I wait to be told I'm wrong and that Decideueye is the most loved, most logical Gen 7 pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wait, so Inceneroar is the most likely alolan newcomer now?

Aww, that sucks, don’t Bowser and Donkey Kong fill the wrestler role already?

Anyways, I feel that it’s really either Inceneroar or Lycanroc who is likely to get in. They’ve had the most prominence so far (excluding Mimikyu, but he’s a whole other bag of worms) including the anime, movies, and other sources of merchandise as well.

 

[SlickWylde]

VERY unpopular opinion: I don't like the new Zelda design. I think she looks weird, and her mouth especially looks strange-like she doesn't have any teeth.

 

[Deleted member]

*AUX CALL PUSH SELECT*

Snake: Otacon, it looks like who I'm fighting is more interested in reading rather than fighting. That must be a really good book if they're reading it in the middle of battle, or they're trying to cram for a test...

Otacon: That's a tome filled with a wide variety of spells rather than any normal book, Snake. Robin is a spellcaster, being able to use powerful spells like Thoron and Elwind among others to attack, but that's only when their tome isn't used up.

Snake: What do you mean used up? Do they have to stop in the middle of battle to return their spell book to the library or something?

Otacon: No, that's not even close. After using so many spells, they're unable to use their tome and literally toss it away. Eventually they pull a new one of the same kind... out of nowhere... okay, now it seems really strange, saying it out loud.

Snake: Yeah, where in the world do they get more books? Are their robes actually like a giant trench coat that can fit about 50 of them? And where are they getting the money to even buy all of them anyways?

Otacon: I think we should worry about all of that some other time... This is getting more confusing by the minute.

Keep on doing this!
I have seen some custom Snake codecs in YouTube but this is really cool as well!

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended) but basically.

I mean as a starter and unique design he's obviously a definite possibility but there's two things that really made him grow popular in the echo chambers of Smash speculation. First is the fact Greninja was chosen. I never felt like starters were the got
to representives in speculation until Greninja got chosen. We had never had a starter chosen before, besides the Pokemon Trainer which represented the starter trio. But after Greninja we had 2 (Greninja & Charizard). That and Decidueye and Greninja are super similar in their archetype of cool edgy Pokemon, which also kinda fits with Lucario, but I digress.

That leads to my second which is the grass starter trio thing. I won't harp on it too much but it's real suspicious that it went from Sceptile during the dlc period, Decideueye to pre E3 and now a lot more backing behind Lycanroc now that we have our starter trio.

I know there are a lot of people who genuinely want Decideueye, I am one, but it was literally the definition of bandwagon, as from the start Inceniroar has always been a more likely starter pick.

Now I wait to be told I'm wrong and that Decideueye is the most loved, most logical Gen 7 pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He's an amazing looking Pokemon. but i wouldn't say he's my favorite Gen 7 Pokemon, heck, Gen 7 Starter, at that.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Wait, so Inceneroar is the most likely alolan newcomer now?

Aww, that sucks, don’t Bowser and Donkey Kong fill the wrestler role already?

Technically speaking, we won't have any official wrestlers unless Star Man or the Amazon shows up.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

People really are sleeping on Mimikyu for some bizarre reason.

Popular, based off the mascot, role in the anime (even if they kinda...butchered in translation IMO), pushed by Pokemon Company, etc.

The fact he's based off Pikachu alone gives him a major heads up alone without all the other stuff. It certainly helped in what made him popular.

That and the meta of it all. Pokemon Company tried so hard to make a Pikachu successor with countless cute rodents and each never really hit the mark, finally they create a Pokemon that WANTS to be Pikachu and be beloved and it actually is.

 

[Pakky]

(excluding Mimikyu, but he’s a whole other bag of worms).

What? How?

 

[RandomAce]

What? How?

It’s obvious that he’s the most popular alolan Pokémon, and thus he gets the most attention.

I mean, I didn’t know any of the Gen 7 Pokémon when Sun and Moon first revealed and came out but I knew who Mimikyu was because it was basically a Pikachu wannabe, and since he looks like Pikachu but it’s instead a rag doll, he instantly becomes recognizable and popular.

 

[Deleted member]

Aww, that sucks, don’t Bowser and Donkey Kong fill the wrestler role already?

In what universe does Donkey Kong "cover" the role of a wrestler?
As for Bowser, one command grab and a dropkick doesn't "cover" anything.

Until we get a character that can chain throw via grappling (note: NOT the same thing as "chain grabs" like from pre-Smash 4 days) like King, we still have yet to begin to scratch the surface.