Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pyra]

I never got why people have said this to be honest.

Goemon is an extremely niche series, not nearly as successful as Castlevania or even Frogger.

Ice Climber was super successful.

Just saying- there's other reasons to include a character besides series success or even popularity.

We all know how popular Wii Fit Trainer was before she was revealed.
Roy musta been part of a totally not-niche franchise at the time of his introduction.

There are definitely other factors at play for anything, haha.

There's no real reason to stick the arbitrary rules people keep referencing, as far as I care.
The only reason to consider popularity is what might come through via the ballot. But is everything going to come from that?

Nobody knows.
I mean, Goemon is unlikely regardless, but you're all just going to mislead yourselves by assuming popularity is a hard requirement lol.

Edit: Also, I mean, it was popular enough in Japan to warrant an anime, so...

Double edit:
Yo, disregard this, I need to stop trying to participate in conversations before mid-afternoon
Don't take this seriously, it was just word vomit.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Fourside was a HUGE, unexpected treat, not to mention Magicant. They essentially remade both stages from scratch.

I know I've said this multiple times before in the past, but I seriously can't wait until they fully unveil the new Gerudo Valley. I think it'll probably be the first time we see something from OoT in total HD.

Does Hyrule Warriors not count...unless you only mean Smash wise

I'm sure we're still getting a bunch of new stages, but I wouldn't bet on every franchise getting a new stage.

As much as I'd love to get five EarthBound stages, we're probably stopping at four. Can't complain though, because I wasn't expecting both Fourside and New Pork City to return anytime soon.

I also don’t think there’ll be a new Kid Icarus stage (unless Viridi joins the party) or something for Fire Emblem (unless Anna...or Celica/Alm...or Edelgard)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ice Climber was super successful.

Just saying- there's other reasons to include a character besides series success or even popularity.

We all know how popular Wii Fit Trainer was before she was revealed.
Roy musta been part of a totally not-niche franchise at the time of his introduction.

There are definitely other factors at play for anything, haha.

There's no real reason to stick the arbitrary rules people keep referencing, as far as I care.
The only reason to consider popularity is what might come through via the ballot. But is everything going to come from that?

Nobody knows.
I mean, Goemon is unlikely regardless, but you're all just going to mislead yourselves by assuming popularity is a hard requirement lol.

Edit: Also, I mean, it was popular enough in Japan to warrant an anime, so...

lmao what IS this comparison? Comparing first party games to third party franchises and implying Wii Fit didn't sell ridiculoisly well

 

[osby]

Ice Climber was super successful.

Just saying- there's other reasons to include a character besides series success or even popularity.

We all know how popular Wii Fit Trainer was before she was revealed.
Roy musta been part of a totally not-niche franchise at the time of his introduction.

There are definitely other factors at play for anything, haha.

There's no real reason to stick the arbitrary rules people keep referencing, as far as I care.
The only reason to consider popularity is what might come through via the ballot. But is everything going to come from that?

Nobody knows.
I mean, Goemon is unlikely regardless, but you're all just going to mislead yourselves by assuming popularity is a hard requirement lol.

Edit: Also, I mean, it was popular enough in Japan to warrant an anime, so...

Not the Trainer per se but Wii Fit WAS really popular as a fitness game.

Also, this doesn't mean anything, guest fighters are bound to different rules. Even Snake and Bayonetta was pretty effectful in their genres. Goemon might get in but... what kind of game his was, anyway?

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Nice!

And I’m aware I’m a tad late, I just got up, but I’m curious as to why you chose Rayman for “Folklore”.

Good question I chose Rayman for folklore due to him essentially being a mythical character in his series. He comes from the Glade of Dreams which just seemed to fit the folklore, myth, "legend" theme.

I could have chose Banjo too with the his world revolving around castles and witches, or even the characters from Shin Onigashima which I heard was based on japanese folklore and the game had a song in Brawl.

In other news I came around to coloring in the picture, too bad this leak is 90% likely fake.

 

[Deleted member]

Ya'know what if that's the case I'm not sure whta they'll do.

Because Ryu looks like his SF4 version as well in game and if all you have to do is increase texture resolution then I'm not sure what was done.

You got me curious, so I compared the poly count of trophy Ken to some other models. I deleted the expressions from Ryu's model, because Ken obviously doesn't have those, and it would inflate the poly count.

I wish I had Street Fighter IV Ken and Ryu for this. If you still want a closer look at Ken, I can send him to you.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Miis are human, what are you talking about? They are based off of them as they share quite some qualities and traits to humans.
Also why not? I understand Miis are confusing to count but they still are fighters.

https://youtu.be/DR5HaLc4nOE

When was the last time you saw a human do that?

I'm mostly joking but it is a point that they are avatars and not human themselves...however to count Villager and Wii Fit Trainer they probably should count too. I just usually don't think of the Mii Fighters as characters in smash (and hopefully this doesn't start an argument).

 

[Pakky]

You got me curious, so I compared the poly count of trophy Ken to some other models. I deleted the expressions from Ryu's model, because Ken obviously doesn't have those, and it would inflate the poly count.

View attachment 152889

I wish I had Street Fighter IV Ken and Ryu for this. If you still want a closer look at Ken, I can send him to you.

That's what I'm talking about, thank you.

Huh I guess you could rig up the trophy then?

Texture wise they aren't very detailed characters, interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

https://youtu.be/DR5HaLc4nOE

When was the last time you saw a human do that?

I'm mostly joking but it is a point that they are avatars and not human themselves...however to count Villager and Wii Fit Trainer they probably should count too. I just usually don't think of the Mii Fighters as characters in smash (and hopefully this doesn't start an argument).

This is an invalid excuse because can warp time or whatever and you count her as humanoid.

 

[osby]

https://youtu.be/DR5HaLc4nOE

When was the last time you saw a human do that?

I'm mostly joking but it is a point that they are avatars and not human themselves...however to count Villager and Wii Fit Trainer they probably should count too. I just usually don't think of the Mii Fighters as characters in smash (and hopefully this doesn't start an argument).

Miis represents themselves perfectly in Smash because noone is sure what they really are.

EDIT: But really if Mario characters counts, Miis also should be humans.

 

[drag0nscythe]

It doesn't matter how many games it has if they don't reach a wide audience. The latter is what constitutes whether something is niche.

Given the state of castlevania, it fairs the same now.

 

[Pyra]

lmao what IS this comparison? Comparing first party games to third party franchises and implying Wii Fit didn't sell ridiculoisly well

Not the Trainer per se but Wii Fit WAS really popular as a fitness game.

Also, this doesn't mean anything, guest fighters are bound to different rules. Even Snake and Bayonetta was pretty effectful in their genres. Goemon might get in but... what kind of game his was, anyway?

Lol, true enough. All bad examples from my end for sure, my bad.
I think it's too early for me to try and make any kind of point.
Sorry about that.
Let me make it clear I didn't try to say all that in support of Goemon- I support him, but I 100% doubt his ability to join the cast.

Though, ultimately, I stand by my point that popularity isn't some kind of end-all-be-all.

 

[Deleted member]

Given the state of castlevania, it fairs the same now.

[citation needed]

 

[Pyra]

Given the state of castlevania, it fairs the same now.

I don't agree with that- I think Castlevania is in a significantly better place than Goemon is.
"Ever was" isn't something I'm qualified to say- definitely in the west, for sure, but I don't know enough to compare anything popularity wise in Japan.
(Clearly.)

Even then, one of them got turned into a slot machine and never revisited again ever, besides being Bomberman characters apparently.

 

[Deleted member]

Edit: Also, I mean, it was popular enough in Japan to warrant an anime, so...

So what?

Castlevania was also featured in an animated show, produced with the help of Nintendo of America of all people:

Laugh at the show all you want, it's stupid, it's weird, and it's blatant advertisement.............and it worked.

I have seen people that have never played Castlevania, but know it thanks to this tv Show.

Same for the Netflix show, which WILL feature Simon Belmont eventually (it may be even sooner depending if they skip Christopher Belmont's story or not)

Is this a reason to inlcude Simon? No, but it helps him and his series to get exposure, namely in the west, which is something that Goemon doesn't have, and you haven't try to debunk this argument, rather you just dance around it.

Literally every third party in Smash has proper western exposure. Mega Man, Ryu, Cloud, Pac-Man, Snake, Sonic (who was made specifically for western audiences in mind) and even Bayo.

Also every single character you mentioned outside of Roy (who was a last minute addition from a Nintendo franchise, so that doesn't really help your argument) has also localized games and western exposure, so i fail to see how does this help Goemon. Not to mention, is Goemon the 4th selling Konami franchise? Did Sakurai stated that Goemon had a Big Impact on him? Did the Goemon Franchise helped define the MetroidVANIA genre?

To me, it comes across as you liking something over other thing, and you use use your tastes and preferences instead of actual arguments to help your cause.

If you prefer Goemon, fine, i'll understand that not everyone likes Simon Belmont, but when it comes to using actual arguments and reasoning, Simon Belmont is just the better choice overall (Heavily profilic franchise, most prominent character of the most prominent clan of the series A.K.A the Belmont Clan, PROPER Western expousre, etc)

No hard feelings and no harm was meant towards you, it's just that im very passionate about Castlevania, and i don't like it when people put their feelings over the facts, namely the ones that i heavily repeated over and over.

 

[Schnee117]

Given the state of castlevania, it fairs the same now.

You mean having a highly successful Netflix series that's getting it's second season this October?

 

[Pyra]

So what?

Castlevania was also featured in an animated show, produced with the help of Nintendo of America of all people:

Laugh at the show all you want, it's stupid, it's weird, and it's blatant advertisement.............and it worked.

I have seen people that have never played Castlevania, but know it thanks to this tv Show.

Same for the Netflix show, which WILL feature Simon Belmont eventually (it may be even sooner depending if they skip Christopher Belmont's story or not)

Is this a reason to inlcude Simon? No, but it helps him and his series to get exposure, namely in the west, which is something that Goemon doesn't have, and you haven't try to debunk this argument, rather you just dance around it.

Literally every third party in Smash has proper western exposure. Mega Man, Ryu, Cloud, Pac-Man, Snake, Sonic (who was made specifically for western audiences in mind) and even Bayo.

Also every single character you mentioned outside of Roy (who was a last minute addition from a Nintendo franchise, so that doesn't really help your argument) has also localized games and western exposure, so i fail to see how does this help Goemon. Not to mention, is Goemon the 4th selling Konami franchise? Did Sakurai stated that Goemon had a Big Impact on him? Did the Goemon Franchise helped define the MetroidVANIA genre?

To me, it comes across as you liking something over other thing, and you use use your tastes and preferences instead of actual arguments to help your cause.

If you prefer Goemon, fine, i'll understand that not everyone likes Simon Belmont, but when it comes to using actual arguments and reasoning, Simon Belmont is just the better choice overall (Heavily profilic franchise, most prominent character of the most prominent clan of the series A.K.A the Belmont Clan, PROPER Western expousre, etc)

No hard feelings and no harm was intended towards you, it's just that im very passionate about Castlevania, and i don't like it when people put their feelings over the facts, namely the ones that i heavily repeated over and over.

My dude, I kinda was just vomiting things without thinking to hard about it cause it's early for me and I don't take this thread very seriously.
I didn't say any of that in support of Goemon- I support him, but I don't think very highly of his chances in the slightest and think a Belmont is waaaaay more likely and wanted. Obviously, lol. I ended up using him as an example but I probably just look like a fanboy lmfao

I was trying (poorly) to make a point that I don't really hold any of the current arbitrary rules that everyone holds on to to heart. That's on me- my apologies.
It's more of a personal matter anyway- everyone has their style of speculation and I shouldn't have said anything as if I was trying to challenge that.

 

[sdpdude9]

So I did some research into the daily updates.

We have 104 week days left until release.

So far... 17 characters have been featured, there are 65 characters but Pokemon trainer and mii fighters will be condensed into one, so will leave us with 61 known characters. So still 44 left to be featured.

Lots of stages remain with only 2 of 84 known being featured.

Assuming they will only show new assist trophies, which is all they have so far, they have shown 5/8 known new assist trophies.

Taking the same assumption with pokeballs, showing only new ones, they've shown 4/7 known new ones.

And again, same assumption that it is only new items, 2/6 have been featured.

So grand total is 136 new known assets are yet to be shown, with only 104 update days left before release. Of course, they sometimes show 2 in a day, but it doesn't seem like much will be revealed this way. But who knows.

 

[Idon]

So I did some research into the daily updates.

We have 104 week days left until release.

So far... 17 characters have been featured, there are 65 characters but Pokemon trainer and mii fighters will be condensed into one, so will leave us with 61 known characters. So still 44 left to be featured.

Lots of stages remain with only 2 of 84 known being featured.

Assuming they will only show new assist trophies, which is all they have so far, they have shown 5/8 known new assist trophies.

Taking the same assumption with pokeballs, showing only new ones, they've shown 4/7 known new ones.

And again, same assumption that it is only new items, 2/6 have been featured.

So grand total is 136 new known assets are yet to be shown, with only 104 update days left before release. Of course, they sometimes show 2 in a day, but it doesn't seem like much will be revealed this way. But who knows.

UNLIMITED FILLER CONTEEEEEEENT

 

[Roberk]

I'm gonna place this here because it got covered up in other discussion and I'd genuinely like to hear your guy's thoughts on this.

I tend to think of retro reps as coming from their own series/one off games. A retro from an existing series in Smash that went past the NES era would be a first.

 

[Deleted member]

My dude, I kinda was just vomiting things without thinking to hard about it cause it's early for me and I don't take this thread very seriously.
I didn't say any of that in support of Goemon- I support him, but I don't think very highly of his chances in the slightest and think a Belmont is waaaaay more likely and wanted. Obviously, lol. I ended up using him as an example but I probably just look like a fanboy lmfao

I was trying (poorly) to make a point that I don't really hold any of the current arbitrary rules that everyone holds on to to heart. That's on me- my apologies.
It's more of a personal matter anyway- everyone has their style of speculation and I shouldn't have said anything as if I was trying to challenge that.

Apology accepted.

For the record, i don't have anything against Goemon himself or the franchise, but i never got to play any of his games.

I can symphatize with your feelings towards fan-made rules, as that alone heavily damaged Simon's support.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

So I did some research into the daily updates.

We have 104 week days left until release.

So far... 17 characters have been featured, there are 65 characters but Pokemon trainer and mii fighters will be condensed into one, so will leave us with 61 known characters. So still 44 left to be featured.

Lots of stages remain with only 2 of 84 known being featured.

Assuming they will only show new assist trophies, which is all they have so far, they have shown 5/8 known new assist trophies.

Taking the same assumption with pokeballs, showing only new ones, they've shown 4/7 known new ones.

And again, same assumption that it is only new items, 2/6 have been featured.

So grand total is 136 new known assets are yet to be shown, with only 104 update days left before release. Of course, they sometimes show 2 in a day, but it doesn't seem like much will be revealed this way. But who knows.

Well that's depressing to realize lol.

However that's based on the fact we'd see all stages. Right now we've only seen Battlefield which technically is a new stage and the DK one (forget name) which has been remade. Until we see stages that are just straight ports from Brawl/Wii U I'm assuming just like items we won't see any returning stages unless they are remade.

So...what number does that leave us at now lol. Seriously I can't wait until the day we get a new item/anything.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Let's see... Ice Climber came out in 1985, Melee can out in 2001.

That's a window of 16 years.

So with that (loose) metric, anything that came out before 2002 without a release afterwards could count as retro.

That's a lot to chose from.

 

[Pyra]

Apology accepted.

The only thing Goemon has going for him is his brief popularity in Japan (and... extremely niche popularity in the west), and the fact that he's ultimately unpopular lending credence to some kind of weird surprise pick.

There's something we're assuming here- that each of the 3rd parties will only get two characters max. Fair assumption, we haven't seen anything to the contrary really, but say they wanted to bring the obvious character in (a Belmont) while at the same time requesting a character join that would revive an incredibly dead franchise and reintroduce it in the west (in this case, Goemon).

Normally that would be something totally "pulled-out-of-the-ass" so to speak, but very recently, Goemon and Ebisumaru were added into Bomberman as characters to play as, hinting at some kind of attempt at life. Or, it could just be that they wanted to corner that sweet, sweet nostalgia market. Either way, it's still incredibly unlikely but I believe it's a non-zero chance of such a scenario.

This is more aligning to my thoughts on Goemon specifically and not of the "popularity" thing that was my previous subject, but I felt like it was necessary to try and illustrate some kind of point properly before I get thrown into the pits of irrelevancy due to bad opinion in a social thread.

 

[osby]

So I did some research into the daily updates.

We have 104 week days left until release.

So far... 17 characters have been featured, there are 65 characters but Pokemon trainer and mii fighters will be condensed into one, so will leave us with 61 known characters. So still 44 left to be featured.

Lots of stages remain with only 2 of 84 known being featured.

Assuming they will only show new assist trophies, which is all they have so far, they have shown 5/8 known new assist trophies.

Taking the same assumption with pokeballs, showing only new ones, they've shown 4/7 known new ones.

And again, same assumption that it is only new items, 2/6 have been featured.

So grand total is 136 new known assets are yet to be shown, with only 104 update days left before release. Of course, they sometimes show 2 in a day, but it doesn't seem like much will be revealed this way. But who knows.

Isn't there 68 fighters when you count everyone? Cutting Miis and Pokémon would make it 64, not 61.

 

[DBo]

Hi everyone! I'm so excited for the release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on December 7th! And I can't wait to main Wolf too The Super Smash Bros. Invitational Tournament was so hype as well and after seeing it I came up with ideas as to how Nintendo can improve the game! So I made it into a video, check it out guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95C9Mqb40BY

 

[P.Kat]

Oh so there’s a “Fake” too?

Alright, suppose I’ll take a crack at my new guesses:

King - K. Rool
Ponytail - Dixie
Old Man - contrary to popular belief that it’d be Heihachi, I believe it’ll be Chrom (cause Old Man is slang for father)
Archer - Decidueye
Fake - Dark Samus
Warrior - Bandana Dee
Secretary - Isabelle
Mech - quite obviously Elma
Rhythm - Rhythm Heaven Character (probably Chorus Kids)
Doll - Geno
Folklore - gonna think outside the box and say it’s Simon (cause he hunts vampires, and vampires can be considered folklore)
Prime Ribs - still maintain that it’s Rex and Pyra because initials reversed. I just don’t see Ninten happening at all. Plus it has a “s” at the end of “Ribs” indicating plural.
Soul - gonna think REALLY out of the box here and wildly claim that it’s Twintelle. Just...don’t ask me why ok? (Ok fine...cause she’s an actress, and thespians are said to be soulful)
Magic and Spear too?
In case you can’t tell, I like thinking outside the box.

Good guesses, I know this is fake, but I don't think I got a chance to give my guesses so here it goes:

King - King K. Rool
Ponytail - Shantae. While Dixie (still a good choice/guess btw), is well known for her ponytail's abilities, Shantae is just as well known for using her ponytail in her games too.
Old man - Heihachi
Archer - Decidueye
Fake - Shadow
Warrior - Sora. His title is the 'Keyblade Warrior' after all.
Secretary - Isabella Isabelle
Mech - Elma
Rhythm - Rhythm character (Chorus Kids or Rhythm Girl)
Doll - Geno
Folklore - Amaterasu. Okami was a game that did take place sometime in Japanese classical history, while combining Japanese myths and well... folklore to tell the game's story.
Prime Ribs - Rex & Pyra. Could be Ninten also.
Soul - Soul Caliber Character (like Siegfried, Mitsurugi, Kilik, Maxi, Xianghua, Sophitia, Taki, and Talim come to mind as popular characters from that series) could also be Fi from Skyward Sword, her title is the 'Spirit of the Sword', and spirit is synonymous with soul.
Magic - Ashley, and/or Micaiah from Fire Emblem.
Spear - Bandana Dee, and/or Fjorm from Fire Emblem

Unless it’s Lyn or Chrom, do we REALLY need another Fire Emblem character?

Like seriously guys, isn’t enough enough at this point, I’m being honest. Like don’t get me wrong I like the series but give some other series the limelight.

Well, Fire Emblem Heroes is a popular, and successful mobile game that's not losing steam anytime soon. It may be a spin-off, but one could argue that it's technically the most played Fire Emblem game as of right now, and I don't think IS will ignore that success or keep it from Smash if it means more representation for Heroes which means more money for them.

Three Houses is coming next year, and that just spells FE DLC around the corner if Corrin's any example to go. So I see 1-2 characters from Fire Emblem coming our way, and if that's the case, I really don't mind if we get more Fire Emblem characters, or more character from any other series in Smash. The more the merrier, if they can provide, a fun moveset, unique abilities, and interesting mechanics, then why not add them regardless of the amount of characters their series has?

Although I will say that the only Fire Emblem sword character I want(ed) at this point is Lyn, and if there is a Blue Moon's chance that Sakurai see her popularity and makes her DLC, that'd make my day but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Goemon already had his anime, long before castlevania.

 

[sdpdude9]

Well that's depressing to realize lol.

However that's based on the fact we'd see all stages. Right now we've only seen Battlefield which technically is a new stage and the DK one (forget name) which has been remade. Until we see stages that are just straight ports from Brawl/Wii U I'm assuming just like items we won't see any returning stages unless they are remade.

So...what number does that leave us at now lol. Seriously I can't wait until the day we get a new item/anything.

That's a good point, it will take some more work but I'll see if I can figure that out too.

Isn't there 68 fighters when you count everyone? Cutting Miis and Pokémon would make it 64, not 61.

You are right, I accidentally left out echo fighters. Good catch.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I just realised, by my metrics, Wave Race and 1080 are retro game series.

feeling old intensifies

 

[Pyra]

Goemon already had his anime, long before castlevania.

I don't think "First!!!" has any real merit.

Think it's more important that Castlevania has something going on right this moment in that department.

 

[Deleted member]

Goemon already had his anime, long before castlevania.

and Castlevania appeared in TV show Long before Goemon did.

Captain N: 1989.

Ganbare Goemon: 1997.

I'll give you this, the Goemon anime, to my surprise, was actually localized, but even then the whole lack of western exposure for Goemon is still an issue.

 

[Pyra]

I'll give you this, the Goemon anime, to my surprise, was actually localized, but even then the whole lack of western exposure for Goemon is still an issue.

For good reason- a hell of a lot of the game writing can't be localized properly without being awkward.
It's a "funny" game series. The dialogue and writing involve a lot of comedy, which is not a thing that's super easy to localize. The games on the 64 that were localized are still really funny, but you can tell when something didn't translate super well.

(Just a fun fact, Im not negating anything lol)

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

That's a good point, it will take some more work but I'll see if I can figure that out too.



You are right, I accidentally left out echo fighters. Good catch.

Honestly I would count any stage not present in Smash 4 Wii U or 3DS as I think they warrant a mention. (Like even though Saffron City is the same it's a big deal that it's returning).

Edit: Which if I counted correctly it's 17. Definitely less than 20 so far.

 

[Pyra]

I kinda take my integrity seriously and dropped the ball a bit by not thinking at all about my presented argument, so if anyone ever really wanted to have a serious meta-conversation about Smash speculation, feel free to PM me and I'd love to talk.

I feel, now, that I should make a moveset (my first!) for Goemon so I can illustrate the character for those unfamiliar, just for fun.

 

[sdpdude9]

Ok, update regarding daily updates.

17/64 known characters featured.

2/43 known stages not in the Wii u version.
2/20 known stages not in either Wii u or 3ds version.

5/8 known new assist trophies featured.

4/7 known new pokeballs featured.

2/6 known new items featured.

So in total....

98 known assets if you go by only featuring stages not in Wii u version.

Or

75 known assets if you go by stages not in either 3ds or Wii u version.

There are 104 updates left so assuming they show all of the rest of the known stuff, you have either 6 or 29 new assets, the latter of which would seem more likely given all the categories.

Disclaimer: I am human and capable of mistakes, if you see one let me know!

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Ok, update regarding daily updates.

17/64 known characters featured.

2/43 known stages not in the Wii u version.
2/21 known stages not in either Wii u or 3ds version.

5/8 known new assist trophies featured.

4/7 known new pokeballs featured.

2/6 known new items featured.

So in total....

98 known assets if you go by only featuring stages not in Wii u version.

Or

76 known assets if you go by stages not in either 3ds or Wii u version.

There are 104 updates left so assuming they shown all of the rest of the known stuff, you have either 6 or 28 new assets, the latter of which would seem more likely given all the categories.

Disclaimer: I am human and capable of mistakes, if you see one let me know!

Thanks for that recount! I think this is more likely, especially considering double day posts. I'm honestly surprised we haven't got more stage updates yet which is why I thought it was too soon to say all stages would get an update.

This also doesn't account for music though...do we normally get double posts on those days? Either way I'm thinking sometime in August is when we can start expecting new content...unless we get nothing but 5 character reveals and a song for months XD

 

[sdpdude9]

This also doesn't account for music though...do we normally get double posts on those days? Either way I'm thinking sometime in August is when we can start expecting new content...unless we get nothing but 5 character reveals and a song for months XD

If the trend continues, music has always been with featured with another asset.

 

[NextChannelGames]

So what?

Castlevania was also featured in an animated show, produced with the help of Nintendo of America of all people:

Laugh at the show all you want, it's stupid, it's weird, and it's blatant advertisement.............and it worked.

I have seen people that have never played Castlevania, but know it thanks to this tv Show.

Same for the Netflix show, which WILL feature Simon Belmont eventually (it may be even sooner depending if they skip Christopher Belmont's story or not)

Is this a reason to inlcude Simon? No, but it helps him and his series to get exposure, namely in the west, which is something that Goemon doesn't have, and you haven't try to debunk this argument, rather you just dance around it.

Literally every third party in Smash has proper western exposure. Mega Man, Ryu, Cloud, Pac-Man, Snake, Sonic (who was made specifically for western audiences in mind) and even Bayo.

Also every single character you mentioned outside of Roy (who was a last minute addition from a Nintendo franchise, so that doesn't really help your argument) has also localized games and western exposure, so i fail to see how does this help Goemon. Not to mention, is Goemon the 4th selling Konami franchise? Did Sakurai stated that Goemon had a Big Impact on him? Did the Goemon Franchise helped define the MetroidVANIA genre?

To me, it comes across as you liking something over other thing, and you use use your tastes and preferences instead of actual arguments to help your cause.

If you prefer Goemon, fine, i'll understand that not everyone likes Simon Belmont, but when it comes to using actual arguments and reasoning, Simon Belmont is just the better choice overall (Heavily profilic franchise, most prominent character of the most prominent clan of the series A.K.A the Belmont Clan, PROPER Western expousre, etc)

No hard feelings and no harm was meant towards you, it's just that im very passionate about Castlevania, and i don't like it when people put their feelings over the facts, namely the ones that i heavily repeated over and over.

Wait!! Hold on... What do you mean a Netflix series? Is Captain N back again! O.O

 

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Wait!! Hold on... What do you mean a Netflix series? Is Captain N back again! O.O

No i mean the Castlevania Netflix series.