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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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People really are sleeping on Mimikyu for some bizarre reason.

Popular, based off the mascot, role in the anime (even if they kinda...butchered in translation IMO), pushed by Pokemon Company, etc.

The fact he's based off Pikachu alone gives him a major heads up alone without all the other stuff. It certainly helped in what made him popular.

That and the meta of it all. Pokemon Company tried so hard to make a Pikachu successor with countless cute rodents and each never really hit the mark, finally they create a Pokemon that WANTS to be Pikachu and be beloved and it actually is.
People also seem to forget that Mimikyu literally had a song made for it by the Pokémon Company. If that's not pushing it, I don't know what is.
 

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The starter trio arguement is as ridiculous and stupid as the weapon triangle arguement.

SMASH. IS. NOT. FOR. FILLING. QUOTAS.

That said though, Pokken Sceptile or Decidueye is rad as hell and would fit perfectly in Smash.
 

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There’s only ONE MAN who can join Smash and fufill people’s thirst for a wrestler type character
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>le post that says Decidueye is only supported because of muh grass
>said post got over 9 likes
>leaves thread
This is honestly how i feel whenever someone says "Ganondorf is perfectly fine in Smash because he's all about MUH POWER". I don't even bother to argue because most of the time it seems im arguing with a parrot, so i simply exit the thread.

Oh please, I have a screenshot of the real Switch version from Square Enix headquarters, take a look if you will everyone:View attachment 152923
That's the Docked version though, Undocked mode looks like this:
 

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This is honestly how i feel whenever someone says "Ganondorf is perfectly fine in Smash because he's all about MUH POWER". I don't even bother to argue because most of the time it seems im arguing with a parrot, so i simply exit the thread.


That's the Docked version though, Undocked mode looks like this:
That power arguement is like saying a boxer-style Link would be accurate because he's taking THE COURAGE to fight without his tools.

It's stretching characters to the point of absurdity.
 

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I feel like the Pokémon conversation always results in each fan group “faction” just saying why their personal choice is more likely/a better choice than another. Then, because this is what Smash fans do, they try to make this seem like fact because we “know what we’re talking about”.

I’ll be the first one to say that some people definitely have great ideas, but we also need to realize that half the time we have no idea what we’re talking about.

For Wii U, everybody thought it would be Zoroark and Mewtwo. We got Greninja.

Robin, despite having a cult following on this website, was considered second fiddle to Chrom. Robin got in.

Clearly, Layton and a number of other 3rd parties who are close to Nintendo will get. Characters like Ryu and Cloud just don’t belong, and neither did Snake.

Oh wait.

Basically, stop taking it so seriously. I’m honestly at the point with Smash that they could probably add anybody and i’d be psyched. Better yet, i’ll let you all in on a potentially known fact.

I was a **** about Robin and Lucina prior to their reveal because I wanted Chrom. I thought he was cool and I liked his design, but thought the other two were lame.

When I saw the trailer, not only was I bamboozled that it wasn’t Chrom, but I was ****ing PSYCHED to see how Robin played. This character who I was very much against was, in my opinion, one of the cooler additions to Smash Wii U.

It really comes down to characters being fun. Are some characters more likely than others? Maybe. But i’ll be honest. I don’t give a damn why X character is overrated. If they get in Smash and are fun, then I will be excited to see them.

After listening to Super Mario RPG music this week, I realized how fun Geno would be. Do I think Geno is the most likely 3rd party? I don’t know about that, but I realized that he would be really fun, and i’d probably play him a lot if I were having a good time and playing with friends.

I don’t give a **** if i’m right during speculation, because as soon as I get the game cartridge placed in my Switch, I don’t care who got what characters right because i’m going to have fun playing the game.

Mimikyu may be the pick, or Decidueye may be. I personally would like Decidueye. But either would probably be fun, and neither is a superior pick to the other in my humble opinion.

If you’re going to get heated over it, consider that maybe you’re taking this discussion of fictional characters a tad too seriously.
 
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Well now that :ultpokemontrainer: is back, the triangle is no longer needed to be completed
Well we have 2 water tipes 1 grass and 1 fire so to even it up we need one more grass and one more fire to even it up so that just makes it worse
 

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There’s only ONE MAN who can join Smash and fufill people’s thirst for a wrestler type character
I was initially thinking Zengeif, but John Cena would be even better. Dude's been in crossovers before too, like when he saved the Scooby Doo Gang from an Indiana Jones sized boulder.
John Cena will be in Smash Bros. based off of his degrees of separation with Smash Bros.
First, he saves the Scooby Doo Gang from a giant boulder in one of the movies.
In another movie, Shaggy unlocks the power of Ultra Instinct.
Ultra Instinct is a power-up from the Dragon Ball series, which features Goku.
Goku is not only a highly requested character for Smash Bros., but is also based off of the character Sun Wukong. Who else is based off of said character?
Goku, but not the one from Dragon Ball Z, the one from Nintendo's game Yūyūki.
Which means, John Cena is related to Nintendo, and is therefore eligible to join Smash Bros. He might as well be a shoe-in.

I made a video about that really "out there" leak that correctly predicted Nintendo Funko Pops/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe getting further content/ and guessed exatly what Pokemon Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee content is likely to be shown next...

I still have no idea where to stand on this leak, leaning towards it being half true with fake things thrown in for whatever reason? Really tough call here with an unbelievable leak that keeps gaining credibility.
Please don't make content like this. It only gives "leakers" what they want: attention. This encourages wannabe leakers to come up with more so that they can get attention and fool others.

It's similar to what what @Lampy did with adding Chorus Men and Bubsy on IMDB, and then laughing when someone actually covered it.

Neither of which were supporting a new entry in the main line series at the time.
Exactly this point. Both Magikarp and Slowpoke are well known memes in general. Mimikyu's song was for promotional reasons, primarily to make people like the character more.

Plus, who could deny the appeal and hype of a dual reveal trailer for Ashley and Mimikyu? I know I couldn't.
 
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I feel like the Pokémon conversation always results in each fan group “faction” just saying why their personal choice is more likely/a better choice than another. Then, because this is what Smash fans do, they try to make this seem like fact because we “know what we’re talking about”.

I’ll be the first one to say that some people definitely have great ideas, but we also need to realize that half the time we have no idea what we’re talking about.

For Wii U, everybody thought it would be Zoroark and Mewtwo. We got Greninja.

Robin, despite having a cult following on this website, was considered second fiddle to Chrom. Robin got in.

Clearly, Layton and a number of other 3rd parties who are close to Nintendo will get. Characters like Ryu and Cloud just don’t belong, and neither did Snake.

Oh wait.

Basically, stop taking it so seriously. I’m honestly at the point with Smash that they could probably add anybody and i’d be psyched. Better yet, i’ll let you all in on a potentially known fact.

I was a **** about Robin and Lucina prior to their reveal because I wanted Chrom. I thought he was cool and I liked his design, but thought the other two were lame.

When I saw the trailer, not only was I bamboozled that it wasn’t Chrom, but I was ****ing PSYCHED to see how Robin played. This character who I was very much against was, in my opinion, one of the cooler additions to Smash Wii U.

It really comes down to characters being fun. Are some characters more likely than others? Maybe. But i’ll be honest. I don’t give a damn why X character is overrated. If they get in Smash and are fun, then I will be excited to see them.

After listening to Super Mario RPG music this week, I realized how fun Geno would be. Do I think Geno is the most likely 3rd party? I don’t know about that, but I realized that he would be really fun, and i’d probably play him a lot if I were having a good time and playing with friends.

I don’t give a **** if i’m right during speculation, because as soon as I get the game cartridge placed in my Switch, I don’t care who got what characters right because i’m going to have fun playing the game.

Mimikyu may be the pick, or Decidueye may be. I personally would like Decidueye. But either would probably be fun, and neither is a superior pick to the other in my humble opinion.

If you’re going to get heated over it, consider that maybe you’re taking this discussion of fictional characters a tad too seriously.
Basically why I want a duo/stance changing Lycanroc between it’s Midday and Midnight form. I would have a lot of fun with a character like that and make it my main.

Either way, I think this time we are getting better with speculation as we began opening up to more potential Pokémon newcomers.

Before it was only Decidueye.

Now we have Decidueye, Mimikyu, Lycanroc, and Inceneroar, by looking at the facts and what has been happening recently we’ve began opening up to the multitude of different possibilities, and of course try to push our own cause.

I think this time we’re learning from last time.
 
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Wha?....

You mean that if i buy the Japanese version of the game, im basically buying the game twice for the price of one? Or am just misunderstanding this?

I guess this will be a Japan-only thing.
 
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Why buy it digital, then?
If you buy the digital, you just get the digital. If you buy the physical, you get the physical AND the digital.

physical copies win again babyyy
 

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Well, so did Magikarp.
Magikarp for Smash?
Can't tell if this should be taken seriously or not, so naturally I will take it as seriously as possible.

The point they were making was a counterargument to "Mimikyu isn't marketed." Magikarp is also marketed and popular so your point is actually pretty ***, assuming you were being serious.

Nowhere did they say "Song = Smash material."

I feel like the Pokémon conversation always results in each fan group “faction” just saying why their personal choice is more likely/a better choice than another. Then, because this is what Smash fans do, they try to make this seem like fact because we “know what we’re talking about”.

I’ll be the first one to say that some people definitely have great ideas, but we also need to realize that half the time we have no idea what we’re talking about.

For Wii U, everybody thought it would be Zoroark and Mewtwo. We got Greninja.

Robin, despite having a cult following on this website, was considered second fiddle to Chrom. Robin got in.

Clearly, Layton and a number of other 3rd parties who are close to Nintendo will get. Characters like Ryu and Cloud just don’t belong, and neither did Snake.

Oh wait.

Basically, stop taking it so seriously. I’m honestly at the point with Smash that they could probably add anybody and i’d be psyched. Better yet, i’ll let you all in on a potentially known fact.

I was a **** about Robin and Lucina prior to their reveal because I wanted Chrom. I thought he was cool and I liked his design, but thought the other two were lame.

When I saw the trailer, not only was I bamboozled that it wasn’t Chrom, but I was ****ing PSYCHED to see how Robin played. This character who I was very much against was, in my opinion, one of the cooler additions to Smash Wii U.

It really comes down to characters being fun. Are some characters more likely than others? Maybe. But i’ll be honest. I don’t give a damn why X character is overrated. If they get in Smash and are fun, then I will be excited to see them.

After listening to Super Mario RPG music this week, I realized how fun Geno would be. Do I think Geno is the most likely 3rd party? I don’t know about that, but I realized that he would be really fun, and i’d probably play him a lot if I were having a good time and playing with friends.

I don’t give a **** if i’m right during speculation, because as soon as I get the game cartridge placed in my Switch, I don’t care who got what characters right because i’m going to have fun playing the game.

Mimikyu may be the pick, or Decidueye may be. I personally would like Decidueye. But either would probably be fun, and neither is a superior pick to the other in my humble opinion.

If you’re going to get heated over it, consider that maybe you’re taking this discussion of fictional characters a tad too seriously.
I kinda agree but I don't feel like the Decidueye/Mimikyu argument is ever that condescending. I'm pretty sure it has less to do with "my favorite is straight up better than yours!" and moreso "this mon deserves to be considered too."

A lot of the time I'm in the Pokemon argument I'm defending Mimikyu against the Pokeball, Not Popular, or Body Type arguments. Very rarely do I go on the offensive against Decidueye or Incineroar. (Not saying I don't ever. I did last time.)

I agree our bickering doesn't matter but I know me and Lampy aren't like you in the "I'll be happy come release day" respect. One of us is gonna be hella salty in the next few months. Maybe both but I think we both are cool with Incineroar....I think. Not sure about Golden....haven't seen him in a minute.

Tl;dr I don't think the Pokemon argument is nearly as bad as some people here do. Its usually pretty chill compared to a few of the other arguments in here.
 
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Best investment I'll make in my ****ing lifetime, honestly
 

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DAMN YOU NIPPPOOOOOOON
 

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Wha?....

You mean that if i buy the Japanese version of the game, im basically buying the game twice for the price of one? Or am just misunderstanding this?

I guess this will be a Japan-only thing.
Well, it has not been stated yet if this will happen in the US, but it might, so I would rather have hope for it.
 

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So buying the physical means you get two copies for the price of one?

Hot damn.
 

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Can't tell if this should be taken seriously or not, so naturally I will take it as seriously as possible.

The point they were making was a counterargument to "Mimikyu isn't marketed." Magikarp is also marketed and popular so your point is actually pretty ***, assuming you were being serious.

Nowhere did they say "Song = Smash material."


I kinda agree but I don't feel like the Decidueye/Mimikyu argument is ever that condescending. I'm pretty sure it has less to do with "my favorite is straight up better than yours!" and moreso "this mon deserves to be considered too."

A lot of the time I'm in the Pokemon argument I'm defending Mimikyu against the Pokeball, Not Popular, or Body Type arguments. Very rarely do I go on the offensive against Decidueye or Incineroar. (Not saying I don't ever. I did last time.)

I agree our bickering doesn't matter but I know me and Lampy aren't like you in the "I'll be happy come release day" respect. One of us is gonna be hella salty in the next few months. Maybe both but I think we both are cool with Incineroar....I think. Not sure about Golden....haven't seen him in a minute.

Tl;dr I don't think the Pokemon argument is nearly as bad as some people here do. Its usually pretty chill compared to a few of the other arguments in here.
I wasn't even considered in that community break down, I thought we was cool :(
 
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I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended) but basically.

I mean as a starter and unique design he's obviously a definite possibility but there's two things that really made him grow popular in the echo chambers of Smash speculation. First is the fact Greninja was chosen. I never felt like starters were the got
to representives in speculation until Greninja got chosen. We had never had a starter chosen before, besides the Pokemon Trainer which represented the starter trio. But after Greninja we had 2 (Greninja & Charizard). That and Decidueye and Greninja are super similar in their archetype of cool edgy Pokemon, which also kinda fits with Lucario, but I digress.

That leads to my second which is the grass starter trio thing. I won't harp on it too much but it's real suspicious that it went from Sceptile during the dlc period, Decideueye to pre E3 and now a lot more backing behind Lycanroc now that we have our starter trio.

I know there are a lot of people who genuinely want Decideueye, I am one, but it was literally the definition of bandwagon, as from the start Inceniroar has always been a more likely starter pick.

Now I wait to be told I'm wrong and that Decideueye is the most loved, most logical Gen 7 pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Decidueye is not as likely as people claim it to be. Its only real notable appearance is in Pokken Tournament DX, and that didn't exist until 2017; over a full year after the Smash Ultimate roster was supposedly finalized.

And then you look at Incineroar, who's being pushed a lot more by Game Freak; it played a major role in the 2017 Pokemon movie, and has become a recurring character in the anime's Alola saga.

Wait, so Inceneroar is the most likely alolan newcomer now?

Aww, that sucks, don’t Bowser and Donkey Kong fill the wrestler role already?

Anyways, I feel that it’s really either Inceneroar or Lycanroc who is likely to get in. They’ve had the most prominence so far (excluding Mimikyu, but he’s a whole other bag of worms) including the anime, movies, and other sources of merchandise as well.
Incineroar would probably be the equivalent of Street Fighter's Zangief, focusing more on close-ranged combat, but has below average mobility.

As for Lycanroc, I seriously doubt that the Dusk form's concept art ever existed in late 2015. It also looks a lot more like Poke Ball Pokemon material, regardless of which form it takes.

People really are sleeping on Mimikyu for some bizarre reason.

Popular, based off the mascot, role in the anime (even if they kinda...butchered in translation IMO), pushed by Pokemon Company, etc.

The fact he's based off Pikachu alone gives him a major heads up alone without all the other stuff. It certainly helped in what made him popular.

That and the meta of it all. Pokemon Company tried so hard to make a Pikachu successor with countless cute rodents and each never really hit the mark, finally they create a Pokemon that WANTS to be Pikachu and be beloved and it actually is.
I really don't see how Mimikyu would ever work as a playable character, but it could work as a Poke Ball Pokemon or Smash Run enemy.
 

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Can't tell if this should be taken seriously or not, so naturally I will take it as seriously as possible.

The point they were making was a counterargument to "Mimikyu isn't marketed." Magikarp is also marketed and popular so your point is actually pretty ***, assuming you were being serious.

Nowhere did they say "Song = Smash material."


I kinda agree but I don't feel like the Decidueye/Mimikyu argument is ever that condescending. I'm pretty sure it has less to do with "my favorite is straight up better than yours!" and moreso "this mon deserves to be considered too."

A lot of the time I'm in the Pokemon argument I'm defending Mimikyu against the Pokeball, Not Popular, or Body Type arguments. Very rarely do I go on the offensive against Decidueye or Incineroar. (Not saying I don't ever. I did last time.)

I agree our bickering doesn't matter but I know me and Lampy aren't like you in the "I'll be happy come release day" respect. One of us is gonna be hella salty in the next few months. Maybe both but I think we both are cool with Incineroar....I think. Not sure about Golden....haven't seen him in a minute.

Tl;dr I don't think the Pokemon argument is nearly as bad as some people here do. Its usually pretty chill compared to a few of the other arguments in here.
Well it’s not like people are really calling each other names or something, but I have seen some shots fired at other fans. Or just comments that “people only like this character because of x reason”.

My point was more that even if you have a solid investment in any one character, you may be surprised at the outcome and how you react. I didn’t know what Greninja was and wanted Mewtwo. I waned Chrom and got Robin. Greninja is one of my mains are arguably my favorite Pokémon, while Robin is one of my guilty pleasure characters.

So basically, even if you don’t get Mimikyu and we get some other Pokémon, you may be surprised how you react.
 
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Well we have 2 water tipes 1 grass and 1 fire so to even it up we need one more grass and one more fire to even it up so that just makes it worse
It probably would
>Not Star Man
Well okay then, guess we forgot him.
John Cena >>>>
I was initially thinking Zengeif, but John Cena would be even better. Dude's been in crossovers before too, like when he saved the Scooby Doo Gang from an Indiana Jones sized boulder.
John Cena will be in Smash Bros. based off of his degrees of separation with Smash Bros.
First, he saves the Scooby Doo Gang from a giant boulder in one of the movies.
In another movie, Shaggy unlocks the power of Ultra Instinct.
Ultra Instinct is a power-up from the Dragon Ball series, which features Goku.
Goku is not only a highly requested character for Smash Bros., but is also based off of the character Sun Wukong. Who else is based off of said character?
Goku, but not the one from Dragon Ball Z, the one from Nintendo's game Yūyūki.
Which means, John Cena is related to Nintendo, and is therefore eligible to join Smash Bros. He might as well be a shoe-in.
It’s time to start the John Cena hype train
 

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For the last time.

''I can't see how it would work as a playable character" is never going to be proof that it can't be a playable character.
 

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...implying that I'll take Smash out of the Switch at some point...

This could be cool though - most movies do the same thing: if you buy the BluRay, they come with a code for the digital. Wonder how they'll avoid giving the code to your friends, though...
 

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That a character from Shounen Jump were announced, and it wasn't Goku, but Arale from Dr. Slump

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...implying that I'll take Smash out of the Switch at some point...

This could be cool though - most movies do the same thing: if you buy the BluRay, they come with a code for the digital. Wonder how they'll avoid giving the code to your friends, though...
If they try to make it so you can't give the digital version to a friend (which I have no idea how they'd even manage that, but still), there's always another option.

Use the code on your own Switch and give the physical version to your friend.
 

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For the last time.

''I can't see how it would work as a playable character" is never going to be proof that it can't be a playable character.
Haha the Wii Fit Trainer would never work as a fighter such a stupid idea.
 

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I wasn't even considered in that community break down, I thought we was cool :(
I can't select everyone lmao. I just picked me cause I'm me and want Mimikyu, Golden wants Incineroar, and Lampy wants Decidueye.

I guess Delzethin (I think thats how its spelled. I'm not @ ing everyone to find out cause thats obnoxious) is the main supporter of Lycanroc but I really don't know.

I wasn't trying to give everyone their definitive roles in the argument though (it isn't my place to do that). As far as I'm concerned we are cool. I'm sorry to leave anyone out, I didn't mean anything by it at all.:)
 
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VERY unpopular opinion: I don't like the new Zelda design. I think she looks weird, and her mouth especially looks strange-like she doesn't have any teeth.
You can definitely see her teeth, but just the top teeth:



Her wide open smile with the teeth being somewhat hard to see or obscured is very anime inspired in my eyes.




 

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You can definitely see her teeth, but just the top teeth:



Her wide open smile with the teeth being somewhat hard to see or obscured is very anime inspired in my eyes.




Ah, I see. Well, I guess that's true, but I still don't like it haha. Also, I think anime style works better on 2D models.
 
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