Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Will]

I wasn't sure about Marth's dub voice at first, but now I'm really unsure about it. It's not that I don't like his voice, but it's something completely different.

JP Marth does grunts for Smash attacks, that's fine. ENG Marth opts for "TAKE THIS", which I feel like is going to be heavily memed on.

 

[Jetsurge]

is it me, or does Cloud's side smash charge for a really long time at 14:49

I'm pretty sure smash attacks can be charged for a longer time now.

I wasn't sure about Marth's dub voice at first, but now I'm really unsure about it. It's not that I don't like his voice, but it's something completely different.

JP Marth does grunts for Smash attacks, that's fine. ENG Marth opts for "TAKE THIS", which I feel like is going to be heavily memed on.

KeEp yOuR eyEs OpEn

 

[Will]

KeEp yOuR eyEs OpEn

Unsure about Ike either, at least he says Aether. But he says it in a really separated manner. Dawkins really just said Aether, but new guy i forgot his name i think it was greg? just goes "AE... THER", which is weird. I'll have to get used to it.

 

[Staarih]

Today's update seems to be Pit:

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[BlondeLombax]

Well, starting today, we'll have survived our first month of Smash speculation and fake leaks since gameplay was first shown off. It's amazing how they led us to think that it would be something grand...

...only to give us something greater.

I swear if they don't include the choir version of the theme in the teaser, I will pecking cut a fish.

 

[Houndstooth]

I know these were posted pages back, but I wanted to comment on them.

I'm gonna say something kinda weird here...

Whats the ONE Smash character you would really love to have in that has literally 0 chance of being in Smash Brothers...

Crono from Chrono Trigger. Now that Square is on board early, though, I would love some sort of acknowledgement of this amazing game. Give me a trophy or something, please!

One thing about the Mario Kart DLC that stands out to me is.

Would they not continue the trend of guest characters from outside the Mario Expanded Universe?

Surely they could throw in like Kirby and Dedede or even something crazy like Marth for Fire Emblem.

I have always wanted more Nintendo guest characters in the MK games. I am kind of surprised that it never turned into Super Smash Kart. Would love to see cool race tracks based on other Nintendo properties. Plus, wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd party guest, like Sonic, making it in.

Oh, and Jessie and James in Let's Go? Awesome! I would love to see a Rocket character as another Pokemon rep. Plus, all the alt colors could be based off the other evil teams. It would be pretty cool to see, for sure.

 

[Will]

I swear if they don't include the choir version of the theme in the teaser, I will pecking cut a fish.

It's obviously confirmed for SSE 2 Credits theme

 

[Zinith]

Today's update seems to be Pit:

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Call in Zeox !!! That's 4 fighters this week...

 

[AEMehr]

alright, listen

we JUST got a blog post for MEGA MAN right?

now, we just HAPPENED to get a blog post for KID ICARUS or uh pit as we know him better these days

it is pretty funny how these two are revealed right after each other, because these two have shared media together in something before either of them were in smash; captain n

you know else was in captain n???

- - - -
all im sayin is if we get another blog post on mother brain before the day is up its over

 

[Noipoi]

alright, listen

we JUST got a blog post for MEGA MAN right?

now, we just HAPPENED to get a blog post for KID ICARUS or uh pit as we know him better these days

it is pretty funny how these two are revealed right after each other, because these two have shared media together in something before either of them were in smash; captain n

you know else was in captain n???

- - - -
all im sayin is if we get another blog post on mother brain before the day is up its over

I will only accept Simon if it's this version. All other Simons are inferior.

 

[lordvaati]

No Nintendo game is worse than Sticker Star.

Giest, Urban Champion, Mario Pinball Land.

These are the bottom 3. No exceptions.

 

[Wambo]

I just realized, most of the stages from Melee's Adventure mode are coming back. I honestly don't care if we get a carbon copy of that mode in this game, it was awesome.
-Peach's Castle
-Kongo Falls
-Jungle Japes
-Temple
-Brinstar
-Green Greens
-Corneria
-PokeMon Stadium
-Mute City (currently missing)
-Onett
-Icicle Mountain (currently missing)

I mean, I doubt it'll come back, but still, it's cool to see so many good stages from that mode come back.

 

[Will]

I just realized, most of the stages from Melee's Adventure mode are coming back. I honestly don't care if we get a carbon copy of that mode in this game, it was awesome.
-Peach's Castle
-Kongo Falls
-Jungle Japes
-Temple
-Brinstar
-Green Greens
-Corneria
-PokeMon Stadium
-Mute City (currently missing)
-Onett
-Icicle Mountain (currently missing)

I mean, I doubt it'll come back, but still, it's cool to see so many good stages from that mode come back.

>missing Big Blue
Its assets were used for an entire level, though it doesn't function similarly to the actual stage in question

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

>missing Big Blue
Its assets were used for an entire level, though it doesn't function similarly to the actual stage in question

But we aren't missing Big Blue. It's in the game.

This is an interesting idea though. I'd be ok if they added a couple sections for newer series that didn't get represented (Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Xenoblade, 3rd Parties etc)

 

[Will]

But we aren't missing Big Blue. It's in the game.

This is an interesting idea though. I'd be ok if they added a couple sections for newer series that didn't get represented (Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Xenoblade, 3rd Parties etc)

Of course it's in the game, it's just not on his list.

 

[Zeox]

Call in Zeox !!! That's 4 fighters this week...

YES! Look at this, two weeks exactly the same, I wonder if it will be different in the next week or they are gonna keep the 4 fighters for the whole July.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So, Pit makes this our... 17th fighter?

They're going through the roster pretty fast.

I expect them to slow down soon.

Either that, or they don't and we get nothing but stages, items and music for a long time.

 

[Wambo]

Of course it's in the game, it's just not on his list.

I didn't include it as Big Blue (the stage) wasn't in Adventure mode.

Sure, it's assets were, but it wasn't the actual stage itself.

 

[JayJay55]

It's kinda hard to take "deep" characters seriously when they look like cartoony animals. Case in point:

I mean, you say this, but people take Kingdom Hearts seriously at times and even the series takes itself seriously at times, even for how far fetched it can be in some instances. Plus, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible to make something cartoony while taking a serious direction. Isn’t cute creature but super evil and edgy a trope done in some media? I think execution is more important concerning this topic.

 

[UltimateWario]

Of course it's in the game, it's just not on his list.

I think the F-Zero Adventure Stage was made with Mute City assets rather than Big Blue.
All this talk about Melee Adventure Mode returning is making me really hope it does though.

 

[papagenos]

So, Pit makes this our... 17th fighter?

They're going through the roster pretty fast.

I expect them to slow down soon.

Either that, or they don't and we get nothing but stages, items and music for a long time.

wouldnt mind if they got through the "known" fighters quickly and then slowed down with unknown assists/stages etc... with rarely a fighter reveal until the end.

 

[Zeox]

alright, listen

we JUST got a blog post for MEGA MAN right?

now, we just HAPPENED to get a blog post for KID ICARUS or uh pit as we know him better these days

it is pretty funny how these two are revealed right after each other, because these two have shared media together in something before either of them were in smash; captain n

you know else was in captain n???

- - - -
all im sayin is if we get another blog post on mother brain before the day is up its over

Well after having 4 fighters of the day this week I would say that the next 2 days wouldn't be for characters, but for music and items / assist trophies.
So next update could be a mother brain assist trophy easily.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Of course it's in the game, it's just not on his list.

Gotcha misunderstood "missing" as he used it differently in his list.

Anyway I've been hoping for an melee esque adventure mode since in some ways I perferrer it to Brawl's. Just give me branching paths so we can cover every series in the game but not have it be a 2 hour+ adventure mode. Also allows for more replayability.

Well after having 4 fighters of the day this week I would say that the next 2 days wouldn't be for characters, but for music and items / assist trophies.
So next update could be a mother brain assist trophy easily.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't had any old/returning items as updates yet. We have had a returning stage but it was a melee stage that got heavily remade so we might not even get that many returning stages as updates (atleast not ones just ported from Wii U). Just a thought but I think we will only see new content when it comes to those categories, which is why I'm glad we are almost done with the E3 Pokeball Pokemon and I believe we are done with the E3 assists.

 

[Koopaul]

Ayumi Tachibana bar none. Unless you are even more obscure like Hikari and Dombe there is no way a casual crowd will know who it is.

Are you implying Donbe and Hikari are more obscure than Ayumi Tachibana? Donbe and Hikari have popped up in a lot more games than Ayumi has.

Okay not a lot more. But more appearing in two Kirby games and Captain Rainbow certainly helps.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Does anyone else find it weird that they apparently forgot to do a memories feature for Pit's debut game? Considering that it's one of Sakurai's favored series...

It's kinda hard to take "deep" characters seriously when they look like cartoony animals. Case in point:

Not unless you go full-on Dave Sim, anyway (well, maybe not THAT far, the guy has serious issues).

Just wanted to point out that Project X Zone's predecessor, Namco X Capcom, had Klonoa and Dig Dug in it.

Though in Dig Dug's case, he got a redesign (and his name changed to "Taizo Hori").

I know of that, which is all the weirder since Project X Zone is a sequel to that game. They even got rid of Tron Bonne after the first PXZ, presumably because of her Servbots.

 

[Jetsurge]

Well after having 4 fighters of the day this week I would say that the next 2 days wouldn't be for characters, but for music and items / assist trophies.
So next update could be a mother brain assist trophy easily.

Every update so far for an item, assist trophy or pokemon has been a new one. I don't know if they'll do it for returning ones.

 

[Murlough]

This kind of negative thinking is why people give up on supporting Meowth.

God forbid I don't hop on bandwagons everytime literally anything happens.

It really isn't "negative thinking" either. I just stated facts and then tacked on my opinion at the end.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Regarding the discussions regarding "proportionate" human designs in video games, keep in mind the main characters of the two newest major IPs from
Nintendo, Splatoon and ARMS, don't really fall into the "proportionate" human category of designs. There's also lesser-known newer franchises like Dillon and Pushmo that have cartoony main characters. I don't think the amount of "proportionate" human designs in Smash 4 is anything to do with "the changing times" as much as it to do with loads of JRPG newcomers and the choices of DLC newcomers. It's just how things happened.

Can someone tell me if that rule if Sakurai said "It has to originate from a game" or is that some sort of rumor?

Because if so, aren't Jessie and James already discounted from making any sort of appearance in Smash due to being predominantly just anime originated and associated?

The whole "no non-video game rule" only applies to third-party characters as shown by Sakurai rejecting Goku several times. That and Lucario made his first appearance in an anime.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Regarding the discussions regarding "proportionate" human designs in video games, keep in mind the main characters of the two newest major IPs from
Nintendo, Splatoon and ARMS, don't really fall into the "proportionate" human category of designs. There's also lesser-known newer franchises like Dillon and Pushmo that have cartoony main characters. I don't think the amount of "proportionate" human designs in Smash 4 is anything to do with "the changing times" as much as it to do with loads of JRPG newcomers and the choices of DLC newcomers. It's just how things happened.



The whole "no non-video game rule" only applies to third-party characters as shown by Sakurai rejecting Goku several times. That and Lucario made his first appearance in an anime.

Even on the indie front, I recall that there's still some occasional non-human cases, like Freedom Planet (granted, that started out as a Sonic fangame, but still) and Spark the Electric Jester.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Even on the indie front, I recall that there's still some occasional non-human cases, like Freedom Planet (granted, that started out as a Sonic fangame, but still) and Spark the Electric Jester.

Shovel Knight, whilst human, is pretty darn cartoony and he's one of the more recognizable indie characters and pretty new.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well after having 4 fighters of the day this week I would say that the next 2 days wouldn't be for characters, but for music and items / assist trophies.
So next update could be a mother brain assist trophy easily.

Well, sorry to rain on your parade, but you're already wrong.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Shovel Knight, whilst human, is pretty darn cartoony and he's one of the more recognizable indie characters and pretty new.

That is entirely true, even if no one knows how he looks like under that armor. Not that it stops some crossover appearances from buffing him up anyway (e.g. Blade Strangers).

 

[RamOne]

Well, sorry to rain on your parade, but you're already wrong.

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Pit is the 4th fighter this week, though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Pit is the 4th fighter this week, though.

Oh... I'm dumb lol

But doesn't the blog skip fridays in its weekly updates?

Pit is effectively the last thing we got for this week.

 

[lordvaati]

So, Pit makes this our... 17th fighter?

They're going through the roster pretty fast.

I expect them to slow down soon.

Either that, or they don't and we get nothing but stages, items and music for a long time.

Well I mean...they haven't said anything about single player yet and all.

 

[MainJPW]

The whole "no non-video game rule" only applies to third-party characters as shown by Sakurai rejecting Goku several times. That and Lucario made his first appearance in an anime.

Holy **** I just realized something; Amy isn’t eligible for Smash... if we’re going off of first appearances.

Amy along with Charmy Bee debuted in the Shogakukan Sonic manga in 1992 before appearing in the games.

Spoiler: Charmy’s ugly first design

She’s the Goku of the Sonic series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So, Pit makes this our... 17th fighter?

They're going through the roster pretty fast.

I expect them to slow down soon.

Either that, or they don't and we get nothing but stages, items and music for a long time.

If it means more of that music yes please

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Holy **** I just realized something; Amy isn’t eligible for Smash... if we’re going off of first appearances.

Amy along with Charmy Bee debuted in the Shogakukan Sonic manga in 1992 before appearing in the games.

It seems like such an obscure fact that I’m sure Sakurai would overlook it.

Not saying much since Amy is far from the most likely Sonic character though.

 

[papagenos]

I think with amy/charmy bee and team rockets jesse/james the fact that they are characters who originate from something that was originally a game series (sonic/pokemon) and have appeared in that game series counter acts the fact that they themselves first appeared in another form of media from that series.

sounds a lot more complicated than it is but i think so long as whatever the character is from was originally a video game and the character made the transition from comic/tv show etc... into the game is fine, that makes them characters from a video game series, not characters from some other form of media.

i base this off of nothing but i doubt sakurai would follow that "rule" so harshly for these types of characters if any of them actually had a shot, the rule is clearly there to make sure smash represents video games and video game characters but again i think since the series those characters are from IS a video game series first and foremost and theyve been in games from that series they are fine to add reguardless of what form of media they happened to first appear in.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Is there a thread for adventure mode ideas? I ran with the idea of making a melee 2.0 using the original adventure mode as a base as most stages are returning. I included branching paths so it can be just as long (maybe a bit longer) but represent every series and not go stale as quick.

I'd post it here but it seems more appropriate for a specific thread.