Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zerp]

Part of me hopes both Decidueye and Mimikyu get in so we don't have to deal with the inevitable flamewar that'll happen if only one of them got in. Mimikyu fans will explode if it's just Decidueye because a lot of Mimikyu fans reeealllllyyyyy hate Decidueye for some reason, and the opposite applies to Decidueye, I don't want to see everyone on the side that doesn't get there character become so unhappy.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Given how this game's roster was decided December 2015 and how a Smash game's roster is set in stone when it's decided (and before you bring up clones and, I KNOW), which was in between Pokemon OmegaRuby / Pokemon AlphaSapphire and Pokemon Sun / Pokemon Moon, a Pokemon newcomer is gonna be either a popular Gen III Pokemon (Sceptile, Blaziken, Gardevoir, etc.) or one of the Gen VII Pokemon that had its design finalized at that time (which from what we know are Decidueye, Inciniroar, Primarina, and Magearna).

 

[Deleted member]

To me, Mimikyu would work best as a Pokeball with a counter based mechanic where, when it hits, the doll slumps down and Mimikyu attacks with its flaws.

Decidueye can be a Mii costume.
Incineror can be a trophy.
Nihelgo thingy is a stage hazard.

We all know that the mighty Drampa is god tier Poke rep material!

It's not Mimikyu so I'm totally fine with that.

I have to admit it's intresting to see you think Mimikyu is likely, or likely enough to not be surprised.

I'm not delusional enough to think a character is unlikely just because I don't like them. It's a close-minded mentality that I really don't understand.
That said I definitely don't think it's the most likely Pokemon newcomer. I think Sakurai would go for a Pokemon with a more conventional build such as Incineroar or Decidueye given that Greninja's humaoid body type was so easy to make a moveset out of.

So unless it's Grass Pokemon fans vs. Fairy Pokemon fans idk why people would be so divided.

People see (or at least used to see) Decidueye as a bandwagon character. They were right in a way, I've been seeing a lot of people expect Mimikyu post-E3 and dismissing Decidueye because We Already Have A Grass Type Starter™.

I'm just so excited that 50% of the likely Pokemon contenders are ghost types! Time to get spooky in this *****!

Well, as someone whose favorite type is ghost, this is a silver lining I guess...
I just wish the other ghost type contender wasn't one of my least favorite Pokemon ever...

 

[Zerp]

Given how this game's roster was decided December 2015 and how a Smash game's roster is set in stone when it's decided (and before you bring up clones and, I KNOW), which was in between Pokemon OmegaRuby / Pokemon AlphaSapphire and Pokemon Sun / Pokemon Moon, a Pokemon newcomer is gonna be either a popular Gen III Pokemon (Sceptile, Blaziken, Gardevoir, etc.) or one of the Gen VII Pokemon that had its design finalized at that time (which from what we know are Decidueye, Inciniroar, Primarina, and Magearna).

So what you're saying is that Jirachi will get in.

 

[Deleted member]

So what you're saying is that Jirachi will get in.

You wish.
see what i did there? :V

 

[vaanrose]

Or we just won't get a new Pokemon this time.

It's one thing to reserve a spot for a new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding a dozen characters, it's another thing to reserve a spot for new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding half a dozen characters.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

At this point, I'm partially hoping for a blog post to show off Gardevoir as a Pokeball summon. Like, don't let it linger, just let me down already,

@Lampy (regarding sig), Crash straight up using the extra life face as his icon would be so perfect it isn't funny

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Honestly I feel like Mimikyu might end up being the Zoroark of this game.
And no, it has nothing to do with my preference towards Decidueye.

As in a gen 8 Mon will get in instead? Because that's unlikely so I think I misunderstood.

Given how this game's roster was decided December 2015 and how a Smash game's roster is set in stone when it's decided (and before you bring up clones and, I KNOW), which was in between Pokemon OmegaRuby / Pokemon AlphaSapphire and Pokemon Sun / Pokemon Moon, a Pokemon newcomer is gonna be either a popular Gen III Pokemon (Sceptile, Blaziken, Gardevoir, etc.) or one of the Gen VII Pokemon that had its design finalized at that time (which from what we know are Decidueye, Inciniroar, Primarina, and Magearna).

The Gen 3 thing is proabbbbbbly not gunna happen. Why? Gen 5 was still being released at the time of the project plan, just by a few months. Instead he wrote in a Pokemon from a game that hadn't even released yet.

Not only would a gen 3 Pokemon be very late, its in the same situation as Gen 5 last time. The only way I see me being wrong about this is the Ballot. But I really don't think Sakurai will take all of his picks from the Ballot.

Basically I'm not into the whole betting thing, but if I were to make a bet it would be that we aren't getting a Gen 3 Pokemon.

Or we just won't get a new Pokemon this time.

It's one thing to reserve a spot for a new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding a dozen characters, it's another thing to reserve a spot for new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding half a dozen characters.

Its also another thing to reserve a spot for a character from one of the best (if not best) selling Nintendo series that always has multiple options to choose from practically guarnteeing a Pokemon that will work in smash and be popular.

Don't doubt the Mon.

 

[Zinith]

You know what Pokemon I think deserves to get into Smash?

Spoiler

Sceptile







What? You thought I was gonna twist the conversation back to Yoshi? Why I'd never!!!

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Or we just won't get a new Pokemon this time.

It's one thing to reserve a spot for a new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding a dozen characters, it's another thing to reserve a spot for new, untested Pokemon if you're planning on adding half a dozen characters.

Good thing Gen III remakes came out before the roster was decided then

 

[Deleted member]

We're on page 2014. This was the year I became a Nintendo fan... and my life started to crash.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Also even if we don't get a Pokemon newcomer in the base game I could very easily see a Gen VIII Pokemon being added post-release.

 

[Deleted member]

As in a gen 8 Mon will get in instead? Because that's unlikely so I think I misunderstood.

I think a different Gen 7 mon will get in instead. Gen 8 isn't happening until DLC.

Lampy (regarding sig), Crash straight up using the extra life face as his icon would be so perfect it isn't funny

KMDP made that icon, so you can think him for that.

 

[KMDP]

Crash straight up using the extra life face as his icon would be so perfect it isn't funny

That's why I made it that way~!
EDIT: 'd by @Lampy

 

[Zerp]

You wish.
see what i did there? :V

>wish
Yes I did, but, you fell into my trap, Jirachi can grant wishes, and you just stated someone wished for it, it's confirmed now. If you didn't point it out it wouldn't be confirmed but now Jirachi is 100% happening.

You know what Pokemon I think deserves to get into Smash?

Spoiler

Sceptile







What? You thought I was gonna twist the conversation back to Yoshi? Why I'd never!!!

Sceptile is just the Pokemon version of Yoshi, I'm not falling for your lies and deception.

 

[vaanrose]

Good thing Gen III remakes came out before the roster was decided then

Hey, I've been supporting Gardevoir for years. She got robbed by poor timing.

 

[Zinith]

Sceptile is just the Pokemon version of Yoshi, I'm not falling for your lies and deception.

I don't recall Sceptile being intoxicatingly adorable or having any eating based moves...

I might be wrong on that

 

[Hinata]

Hey, I've been supporting Gardevoir for years. She got robbed by poor timing.

My man!

 

[KMDP]

Hey, I've been supporting Gardevoir for years. She got robbed by poor timing.

Isaac fans know the feeling.
Poor timing for Melee, stiff competition for Brawl, lack of relevancy for Sm4sh.
Makes you wanna OTL.

 

[Zerp]

All this Gardevoir talk reminds of a dumb inside joke, but now it'd actually be relevant, so, how would you all react if we got Gardevoir but...

Spoiler

She's a Rosalina + Luma echo, and Jirachi's the Luma replacement?

I don't recall Sceptile being intoxicatingly adorable or having any eating based moves...

I might be wrong on that

That's because he's in stealth mode, if he ate people or was ultra adorable Yoshi's cover as "Sceptile" would be blown. I would never lie to you.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Ive been wanting a gen 3 Poke for a long time. It’s easily my most favorite generation of all. Top picks goes to:

Gardevoir
Sceptile
Blaziken
Flygon
Plusie and Minun
Mudkip

 

[KMDP]

Muslim Mudkip

I saw that auto-correct, Venus!

 

[Chandeelure]

The only valid Gen 3 Pokemon newcomer:

 

[Deleted member]

The only valid Gen 3 Pokemon newcomer:

Yes, broken image is the best Gen 3 newcomer.

 

[KMDP]

Yes, broken image is the best Gen 3 newcomer.

*gasp* MISSINGNO.!

 

[Chandeelure]

Yes, broken image is the best Gen 3 newcomer.

I don't know what are you talking about.

 

[CannonStreak]

My man!

Your man, huh? Might as well get a room while you two are at it.

But seriously, why Gardevoir, anyways?

 

[Zerp]

The only valid Gen 3 Pokemon newcomer:
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He'd be too OP, you know Spore, that move that sends out projectiles that make people go to sleep? That'd be ridiculous. Ban Breloom before it's too late./s


I'd like Breloom, it's one of my favorite Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

Your man, huh? Might as well get a room while you two are at it.

But seriously, why Gardevoir, anyways.

Because it's a popular Pokemon with unique Psychic abilities.
We don't have a lot of magic users in Smash.

 

[KMDP]

My man!

"My man!"?
Oh, no! Guys, I think we're in a simulation!

But seriously, why Gardevoir, anyways.

Joke answer: Because it's the Poké-waifu.

 

[CannonStreak]

Because it's a popular Pokemon with unique Psychic abilities.
We don't have a lot of magic users in Smash.

Magic? You mean Gardevoir uses magic abilities?

 

[Deleted member]

Magic? You mean Gardevoir uses magic abilities?

Psychic/Fairy type moves are basically the Pokemon equivalent of magic.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Page 2014 - The year when Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U released, and the year I joined these forums... The speculation from that era was insane, but I'm glad that with Smash Ultimate on the way, it seems a lot more controlled and they're not going out of the way to tease fanbases mercilessly. (AKA the Ridley shadow on Pyrosphere)

Don't know how much speculation fuel I've got left in me, but I think I might stop speculating for good once Ultimate comes out.

As for the Pokémon topic, if it comes to light that we don't see a Pokémon newcomer, then I think it would be likely we'll see one as DLC - most likely from Sun and Moon.

 

[CannonStreak]

Psychic/Fairy type moves may very well be magic in Pokemon.

If you say so. I would actually like to see Gardevoir in just to know what its moveset is.

 

[KMDP]

Magic? You mean Gardevoir uses magic abilities?

Poké-fact: Gardevoir can create mini black holes, all to protect it's trainer.

 

[vaanrose]

But seriously, why Gardevoir, anyways.

I'm a bigger fan of putting in characters that are popular over putting in characters that might be popular.

 

[Deleted member]

Real talk though, I'm actually not sold on any Gen 3 Pokemon.
My favorites of this Gen are Salamence and Metagross, but they wouldn't work because of their body types. I have some other favorites such as Gardevoir, Breloom, and Swampert, but I'm not super invested in their moveset potential.
The popular choices for Gen 3 that I've seen are Sceptile, Blaziken, and Deoxys. I bandwagoned Sceptile back in the DLC (before I joined Smashboards), but nowadays he's my least favorite of the Hoenn bois and the whole bandwagon kinda soured me on the idea. Blaziken is too similar to Falcon, and Deoxys is just a Pokemon I've never been hugely fond of. I don't hate it, I'm just neutral.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Up until Sylveon came out, Gardevoir had been my favorite Pokemon since I was in 3rd grade (when gen 3 came out) and Fairy type has become my favorite type. Seeing her in Pokken made me day-one that game and grind it for months. Gardevoir in Smash would make me scream like a little schoolgirl. As a giant Gardevoir fan, I have little hope even though timing might be on her side. But hoo boy would I be excited.

 

[BrytonJ]

You know what Pokemon I think deserves to get into Smash?

Spoiler

Sceptile







What? You thought I was gonna twist the conversation back to Yoshi? Why I'd never!!!

But Sceptile is yoshis dad...

 

[Guybrush20X6]

This may be the right time for Gardevoir.

Pokken is never proof but is good for showing off potential