Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Koopaul]

Any new information would be pretty darn sweet about now.

I don't remember but how long after the Smash 4 reveal did we get some major news?

Wasn't it that we only got Newcomer reveals at Nintendo Directs?

Either way I got the feeling we'll only see something significant in a September Direct.

 

[Zinith]

Holy crap, I didn't even think of King Hippo as a Smash fighter. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

I mean, he would fit with the other characters pretty well.

Still, that "leak" doesn't have Geno. Sad face.

I'd be fine with another Punch-Out rep.


Also It's page 1995!!! I claim it for Yoshi's Island!!!

 

[Shroob]

If the site doesn't drop a character today, that hurts the "November 9th" theory a ton, about them running out of characters to rehash at 3 a week until November 9th.

 

[Ashuree]

I don't remember but how long after the Smash 4 reveal did we get some major news?

Wasn't it that we only got Newcomer reveals at Nintendo Directs?

True newcommers were pretty spaced out, but there was also way more time between announcement to release date.
However the pics of the days were usually new stuff, even if they were minor.

 

[Icedragonadam]

If the site doesn't drop a character today, that hurts the "November 9th" theory a ton, about them running out of characters to rehash at 3 a week until November 9th.

Refresh my memory, which one is that?

 

[Dracyoshi]

DaybreakHorizon
I'm rather surprised that more people haven't mentioned Octolings in the fake leaks yet. I feel like they're a shoe-in at this point!
They already existed and were popular as far back as 2015, they're one of the easiest echoes to make, and even have no issues with moveset inaccuracies since they use the same weapons and attacks as Inklings.

And even if they somehow weren't part of the original project plan I could still see them managing to squeeze the Octolings in to promote the recent Octoling DLC in Splatoon 2. It'd basically only take a few texture changes and a hairstyle change to create them from the Inklings.

I doubt any leak without them at this point.

 

[Will]

Holy crap, I didn't even think of King Hippo as a Smash fighter. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

I mean, he would fit with the other characters pretty well.

Still, that "leak" doesn't have Geno. Sad face.

I don't like King Hippo as a fighter, just for my own personal reasons though.

Spoiler: Personal Reasons

1. King Hippo literally can't get knocked down without being K.O.'d, it's another "Captain Toad can't jump" scenario I can't see play out without it being contradictory and killing my soul.
2. Super Macho Man (and Bald Bull) are more significant antagonists in the series and the most reoccuring between the two
3. Super Macho Man is twice the final boss and in other games the boxer you face before the final challenge (Mike Tyson, Special Circuit, Mr. Sandman)
4. There's more character in SMM and BB, which is a key factor in all of the contending boxers in Punch-Out!! that differentiate racial stereotyping and funny joke jokes.

 

[Fenriraga]

We already have Mac's greatest Rival in Smash.

 

[KMDP]

I don't like King Hippo as a fighter, just for my own personal reasons though.
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Spoiler: Personal Reasons

1. King Hippo literally can't get knocked down without being K.O.'d, it's another "Captain Toad can't jump" scenario I can't see play out without it being contradictory and killing my soul.
2. Super Macho Man (and Bald Bull) are more significant antagonists in the series and the most reoccuring between the two
3. Super Macho Man is twice the final boss and in other games the boxer you face before the final challenge (Mike Tyson, Special Circuit, Mr. Sandman)
4. There's more character in SMM and BB, which is a key factor in all of the contending boxers in Punch-Out!! that differentiate racial stereotyping and funny joke jokes.

Mike Tyson as the first non-Video game character.
We all thought it'd be Reggie, or Iwata, or even Goku. But nope, Mike Tyson.

 

[Wambo]

Hypothetical: if both King K.Rool AND King Hippo were in the game, that would actually make a lot of sense. They're both heavyweight fighters, both have crowns (that could be thrown), both share a relatively similar body shape... anyone else have anymore connections between the two?

I mean jeez, King Hippo could be the Ganondorf to K.Rool's Captain Falcon. Don't mean to get overexcited again here, but this is the most believable leak to me so far, despite the fact that it piggybacks on the Vergeben leak again.

 

[Troykv]

DaybreakHorizon
I'm rather surprised that more people haven't mentioned Octolings in the fake leaks yet. I feel like they're a shoe-in at this point!
They already existed and were popular as far back as 2015, they're one of the easiest echoes to make, and even have no issues with moveset inaccuracies since they use the same weapons and attacks as Inklings.

And even if they somehow weren't part of the original project plan I could still see them managing to squeeze the Octolings in to promote the recent Octoling DLC in Splatoon 2. It'd basically only take a few texture changes and a hairstyle change to create them from the Inklings.

I doubt any leak without them at this point.

I think an older fake leak mentioned them... But I don't remember exactly.

 

[AlphaSSB]

Leaks are always interesting to read, even if they're blatantly not true. I take to them as 'what-if' type scenarios.

I've seen a few with Slippy Toad listed, which is nice to see. He's my most wanted newcomer, despite his chances, and the fact that just about everyone of the leaks with or without him are fake.

As for that last batch of leaks, they sound awful.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I don't like King Hippo as a fighter, just for my own personal reasons though.
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Spoiler: Personal Reasons

1. King Hippo literally can't get knocked down without being K.O.'d, it's another "Captain Toad can't jump" scenario I can't see play out without it being contradictory and killing my soul.
2. Super Macho Man (and Bald Bull) are more significant antagonists in the series and the most reoccuring between the two
3. Super Macho Man is twice the final boss and in other games the boxer you face before the final challenge (Mike Tyson, Special Circuit, Mr. Sandman)
4. There's more character in SMM and BB, which is a key factor in all of the contending boxers in Punch-Out!! that differentiate racial stereotyping and funny joke jokes.

I still think the "Captain Toad can't jump" thing is another stupid meme made by detractors akin to Pre-Ultimate Ridley.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

DaybreakHorizon
I'm rather surprised that more people haven't mentioned Octolings in the fake leaks yet. I feel like they're a shoe-in at this point!
They already existed and were popular as far back as 2015, they're one of the easiest echoes to make, and even have no issues with moveset inaccuracies since they use the same weapons and attacks as Inklings.

And even if they somehow weren't part of the original project plan I could still see them managing to squeeze the Octolings in to promote the recent Octoling DLC in Splatoon 2. It'd basically only take a few texture changes and a hairstyle change to create them from the Inklings.

I doubt any leak without them at this point.

Octolings are within the top 15 characters mentioned. Now, they haven't been mentioned nearly as much as higher placers (only 8 times, tied with Bandana Dee and Isabelle).

I have changed my stance on them after the Octo Expansion.

I would like to play as Agent 8. She and I have been through some **** together. Like Move It Move It station and the secret boss fight. She'd be a secondary for sure.

Hypothetical: if both King K.Rool AND King Hippo were in the game, that would actually make a lot of sense. They're both heavyweight fighters, both have crowns (that could be thrown), both share a relatively similar body shape... anyone else have anymore connections between the two?

I mean jeez, King Hippo could be the Ganondorf to K.Rool's Captain Falcon. Don't mean to get overexcited again here, but this is the most believable leak to me so far, despite the fact that it piggybacks on the Vergeben leak again.

Metal Mario kills it alone.

Leaks are always interesting to read, even if they're blatantly not true. I take to them as 'what-if' type scenarios.

I've seen a few with Slippy Toad listed, which is nice to see. He's my most wanted newcomer, despite his chances, and the fact that just about everyone of the leaks with or without him are fake.

As for that last batch of leaks, they sound awful.

Slippy has only been mentioned in one leak. Not a few. Sorry. :/

 

[Ze Diglett]

I still think the "Captain Toad can't jump" thing is another stupid meme made by detractors akin to Pre-Ultimate Ridley.

Except in this case, it's a concrete barrier to the character performing one of the most basic actions in the game instead of an arbitrary size cap.

Mind you, I say this as someone who was guilty of "Ridley-is-too-bigotry" myself.

 

[Radical Bones]

Metal Mario is a silly concept as Dr. Mario already covers the slower, stronger Mario idea.

If Mario were to get a third version of the character (to equal Link) it'd have to be Paper Mario, Jump Man/Classic Mario, Baby Mario or Ron Jeremy.

 

[CJ Falcon]

I still think the "Captain Toad can't jump" thing is another stupid meme made by detractors akin to Pre-Ultimate Ridley.

That's not a stupid meme, that's a key characteristic of the character. You can't compare it to Ridley because you can actually argue that being enormous is not necessarily one of Ridley's inherent characteristics.

 

[KMDP]

I've seen a few with Slippy Toad listed, which is nice to see. He's my most wanted newcomer, despite his chances, and the fact that just about everyone of the leaks with or without him are fake.

Speaking of this, are there any characters you guys'd like to see, despite knowing they're either highly unlikely or damn near impossible?

I'm not talking about characters like K. Rool, Ashley, Isaac and the like. I'm talking characters like Slippy Toad, Amy Rose, Big the Cat... etc.

My personal pick is Tifa Lockhart; as far as Square Enix characters go, they'd probably go for either Sephiroth, another Final Fantasy protagonist (Warrior of Light, Cecil, Terra or Squall), Crono, or Sora before her.

 

[papagenos]

I feel like if metal mario was in the game (no i do not think hes even possible given the metal box exists) i feel sakurai would have shown him during the "EVERYONE IS HERE!" announcement, as hes "sort of" a veteran from 64... just unplayable. it just seems like it would be a funny thing to point out if he was in the game that sakurai literally gave us EVERY smash fighter even ol' metal mario.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Except in this case, it's a concrete barrier to the character performing one of the most basic actions in the game instead of an arbitrary size cap.

Mind you, I say this as someone who was guilty of "Ridley-is-too-bigotry" myself.

Except Captain Toad can hop and has jumped in celebration in the Galaxy games, you know, his origin? It can be explained as him packing light for Smash or even that one unique moveset where he uses platforms for his jumps.

Besides, it's not like being faithful to the character is Sakurai's number 1 priority. We've had many cases of such.

 

[Will]

I still think the "Captain Toad can't jump" thing is another stupid meme made by detractors akin to Pre-Ultimate Ridley.

Captain Toad not being able to jump is lore, though??? Remove the backpack or make a specific noting that his backpack is empty, and you're game. Say nothing about it and boy that's gonna rustle my jimmies.

 

[Zinith]

Speaking of this, are there any characters you guys'd like to see, despite knowing they're either highly unlikely or damn near impossible?

I'm not talking about characters like K. Rool, Ashley, Isaac and the like. I'm talking characters like Slippy Toad, Amy Rose, Big the Cat... etc.

My personal pick is Tifa Lockhart; as far as Square Enix characters go, they'd probably go for either Sephiroth, another Final Fantasy protagonist, Crono, or Sora before her.

Jesus, who do you think my character is?!! I've only been touting him around since my very first post on this site!!!

 

[KMDP]

Jesus, who do you think my character is?!! I've only been touting him around since my very first post on this site!!!

Well, you're obvious, Zinith!

It's Birdo, right?

I'm kidding I know it's Boshi.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Again, Ridley's few small appearances that are still fairly big can be conpared to the few games (notably Galaxy) where Captain Toad can jump. You can't claim it's different when both sides can be argued to be inconsistent with the lore.

Miss me with that.

 

[Dracyoshi]

Speaking of this, are there any characters you guys'd like to see, despite knowing they're either highly unlikely or damn near impossible?

I'm not talking about characters like K. Rool, Ashley, Isaac and the like. I'm talking characters like Slippy Toad, Amy Rose, Big the Cat... etc.

My personal pick is Tifa Lockhart; as far as Square Enix characters go, they'd probably go for either Sephiroth, another Final Fantasy protagonist (Warrior of Light, Cecil, Terra or Squall), Crono, or Sora before her.

Okay, getting really unlikely here!

Probably Shaymin and an Overwatch rep.
Shaymin would be awesome. A transforming grass/flying legendary! Regular Shaymin would be defensive, while Shaymin-S would be offensive. Lots of grass and flying type special attacks to choose from.
Overwatch has tons of potential for a rep, but unfortunately, Blizzard hasn't even considered putting Overwatch on the Switch so getting a rep is about as likely as getting Master Chief lol.

 

[Will]

Again, Ridley's few small appearances that are still fairly big can be conpared to the few games (notably Galaxy) where Captain Toad can jump. You can't claim it's different when both sides can be argued to be inconsistent with the lore.

The hell are you on about? Captain Toad jumping was programmed and made before the claim that he can't jump was generated.
You know what that's like?
It's like saying this can't make the argument work. Look how small Ridley is. The too big argument clearly should've been nulled since 1986.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Except Captain Toad can hop and has jumped in celebration in the Galaxy games, you know, his origin? It can be explained as him packing light for Smash or even that one unique moveset where he uses platforms for his jumps.

Besides, it's not like being faithful to the character is Sakurai's number 1 priority. We've had many cases of such.

I mean, I'm not gonna say it'd be impossible to just ignore Captain Toad's inability to jump for the sake of a moveset, but something about the idea of purposefully misrepresenting a character's most defining and recognizable aspect just for the sake of shoehorning them into a platform fighter just rubs me the wrong way... and I don't even care for Captain Toad in particular!
Whether you like it or not, mate, not being able to jump has become one of Captain Toad's defining traits. Even if they hadn't thought that far in advance yet as of Galaxy, the fact stands that it's where the character is now. Designing and balancing him as a fighter while remaining true to that aspect of his character would be awkward to say the least, and dropping it completely would be more egregious in my book.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'd be fine with another Punch-Out rep.


Also It's page 1995!!! I claim it for Yoshi's Island!!!

It'd be cool to have Doc Louie in here, but...

I don't like King Hippo as a fighter, just for my own personal reasons though.
View attachment 150638

Spoiler: Personal Reasons

1. King Hippo literally can't get knocked down without being K.O.'d, it's another "Captain Toad can't jump" scenario I can't see play out without it being contradictory and killing my soul.
2. Super Macho Man (and Bald Bull) are more significant antagonists in the series and the most reoccuring between the two
3. Super Macho Man is twice the final boss and in other games the boxer you face before the final challenge (Mike Tyson, Special Circuit, Mr. Sandman)
4. There's more character in SMM and BB, which is a key factor in all of the contending boxers in Punch-Out!! that differentiate racial stereotyping and funny joke jokes.

SMM must RELEASE THE BOGUS on Smash.

 

[92MilesPrower]

It's probably been brought up before, but plenty of these "leaks" from 4Chan have mentioned a ROB stage, which is somewhat interesting... Thoughts?

 

[Freduardo]

I would love to see Lloyd on a leak, even if it's fake.

A fake leak you say? Fine.

My uncle dad who works at Nintendo told me that Lloyd is in the game.

Because Nintendo is putting a C&D on super smash flash 2.

But they invited the guys from that game to work on Smash and every character from super Smash flash 2 will he added.

That’s right. They’re all there.
Luffy however will not be tournament legal hecause he has an infinite combo that Sakurai refuses to let be removed claiming it was be right thing for his nakama.

 

[The Animator]

"Leak 2"
...and K. Rool gets reduced stun and knock back when hit from the front due to his stomach's golden girth.

I doubt any of these leaks are real, but this would be really cool.

 

[Dracyoshi]

Captain Toad's inability to jump could be worked around with powerful specials.
Here's a quick idea that I thought of in a few minutes:
He could quickly (within 1-3 frames without lag) summon a rising propeller platform from Treasure Tracker below him with his Up+B that despawns after around two seconds, essentially serving as both a quick jump and a recovery. He could drop from the platform while it's rising to do a quick aerial or let the platform continue up for a recovery. Multiple could be on-stage at once.

He'd need a powerful moveset and attributes to make up for this weakness, but weaknesses like that are what makes for an interesting fighter! Nothing says that every fighter needs to have a traditional jump.

Sure, there are other characters that I'd rather have in over Captain Toad. I'm just saying that it's not impossible; a moveset could be created for almost any character.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Speaking of this, are there any characters you guys'd like to see, despite knowing they're either highly unlikely or damn near impossible?

I'm not talking about characters like K. Rool, Ashley, Isaac and the like. I'm talking characters like Slippy Toad, Amy Rose, Big the Cat... etc.

My personal pick is Tifa Lockhart; as far as Square Enix characters go, they'd probably go for either Sephiroth, another Final Fantasy protagonist (Warrior of Light, Cecil, Terra or Squall), Crono, or Sora before her.

Oh God. So many.

Dragonite
Susie (Kirby: Planet Robobot)
Urbosa
Cooking Mama
Devil Jin
Sephiroth
Turok
And last but not least...The Prince from Katamari Damacy

 

[Troykv]

That's not a stupid meme, that's a key characteristic of the character. You can't compare it to Ridley because you can actually argue that being enormous is not necessarily one of Ridley's inherent characteristics.

Yeah; Ridley key traits are being cruel, ferocious, cunning and very loud

 

[KMDP]

A fake leak you say? Fine.

My uncle dad who works at Nintendo told me that Lloyd is in the game.

Because Nintendo is putting a C&D on super smash flash 2.

But they invited the guys from that game to work on Smash and every character from super Smash flash 2 will he added.

That’s right. They’re all there.
Luffy however will not be tournament legal hecause he has an infinite combo that Sakurai refuses to let be removed claiming it was be right thing for his nakama.

Not only did they hire the Smash Flash guys, they also hired the Project M guys as well as the Brawl Minus guys.
Truly, the ultimate cluster**** Smash Bros.

 

[AlphaSSB]

We talking about Captain Toad? I say he'd work fine. Just watch this by YoshiandToad .

 

[Pyra]

I would love to see Lloyd on a leak, even if it's fake.

Well, for what it's worth, my sources say Lloyd Irving was on the list of considerations for an additional Bamco rep. Whether or not that implies he made it on the final list is probably something we may have to wait for.

Also, Goku is in.

 

[PeridotGX]

Speaking of this, are there any characters you guys'd like to see, despite knowing they're either highly unlikely or damn near impossible?

I'm not talking about characters like K. Rool, Ashley, Isaac and the like. I'm talking characters like Slippy Toad, Amy Rose, Big the Cat... etc.

My personal pick is Tifa Lockhart; as far as Square Enix characters go, they'd probably go for either Sephiroth, another Final Fantasy protagonist (Warrior of Light, Cecil, Terra or Squall), Crono, or Sora before her.

Any number of Pokémon. Weavile, Sceptile, Scizor, Typhlosion, Blacephalon, the list goes on.

Also Maxwell from Scribblenauts.

 

[Radical Bones]

We talking about Captain Toad? I say he'd work fine. Just watch this by YoshiandToad .

Wait did YoshiandToad make this!?!?! I upvoted it on Reddit, I was amazed.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

The only reason he can't jump is because he's weighed down from overpacking. This doesn't imply he can't, as again, he can just pack lightly.

You know what his costume in Super Mario Maker shows us? He's able to jump. If he couldn't, how would he get in such inconspicuous places in Odyssey? Captain Toad has a side-mode and one game to his name where such a gimmick is in place.

Besides, I also think Sakurai can easily find ways around it. We're undermining jist how creative he is and also how willing he is to not care about what a character can or cannot do.

I see little reason why this should be considered important. That screenshot can easily be explained as them not knowing what they wanted to do with Ridley as a character too. He's normally and consistently big, yeah?

These arguments can be made both ways because, again, the situation is similar.

To clarify: I never thought Ridley was too big. I thought it waa stupid, myself; I consider this argument the same. You can argue it both ways for both characters if you want to argue inconsistency.