Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[McSpanker]

I'm still only giving any credit to Vergeben, until one of these other leaks predicts something its just empty noise thats always around during speculation season.

This pretty much. Although it is quite fun to look at leaks and decide which seem more plausible or not, even knowing most likely they are all bs.

 

[Enchess]

I'm still only giving any credit to Vergeben, until one of these other leaks predicts something its just empty noise thats always around during speculation season.

I still don't see any reason to give Vergeben credit unless Simon is revealed. Ridley wasn't a difficult guess.

 

[Chandeelure]

On the topic of this leak:

I just need to figure out Sliced Apple, House, Science, and Cards.

Edit: Science could potentially be K. Rool (he was a mad scientist for one of his fights), but I wouldn't bank on it. There'd be a more obvious hint for him in my opinion.

The creepy eye is Dark Matter.
Sliced Apple is Bandana Dee.
Science is Susie.
Cards is Marx.
House is Kirby's House as a playable character.

 

[Opossum]

On the topic of this leak:

For the sake of cataloguing, who do you think the characters are? Thanks to 4chan and my own intuition, I've determined this thus far:

Spoiler: Characters

Whip - Simon Belmont
Pic Related - Dark Matter or possibly Skull Kid
Witch - Ashley
Sliced Apple - ?
Anime - Rex and Pyra or Elma
Archer - Decidueye
House - ?
Science - ?
Cards - Hanafuda? Paper Mario?

The Echoes are easy
Prime - Dark Samus
Edgy - Shadow
Dog - Isabelle
Asthma - Ninten (the only character in Earthbound who can have it)
Blue Hair - Chrom

I just need to figure out Sliced Apple, House, Science, and Cards.

Edit: Science could potentially be K. Rool (he was a mad scientist for one of his fights), but I wouldn't bank on it. There'd be a more obvious hint for him in my opinion.

Sliced apple is probably Dee.

Apples are red. When you slice a bit off, you expose the yellowish whitish inside. That kinda sorta resembles Dee's color scheme.

 

[Icedragonadam]

On the topic of this leak:

For the sake of cataloguing, who do you think the characters are? Thanks to 4chan and my own intuition, I've determined this thus far:

Spoiler: Characters

Whip - Simon Belmont
Pic Related - Dark Matter or possibly Skull Kid
Witch - Ashley
Sliced Apple - ?
Anime - Rex and Pyra or Elma
Archer - Decidueye
House - ?
Science - ?
Cards - Hanafuda? Paper Mario?

The Echoes are easy
Prime - Dark Samus
Edgy - Shadow
Dog - Isabelle
Asthma - Ninten (the only character in Earthbound who can have it)
Blue Hair - Chrom

I just need to figure out Sliced Apple, House, Science, and Cards.

Edit: Science could potentially be K. Rool (he was a mad scientist for one of his fights), but I wouldn't bank on it. There'd be a more obvious hint for him in my opinion.

Okay let's play this game.

Spoiler: Leak Prediction

Whip- Simon Belmont
Pic Related- Dark Matter or Skull Kid
Witch- Ashley
Sliced Apple- Travis Touchdown
Anime- Lloyd Irving
Archer- Decidueye
House- Edelgard
Science- King K. Rool
Cards- Hanafuda

Echoes:

Prime- Dark Samus
Edgy- Shadow The Hedgehog
Dog- Isabelle
Asthma- Ninten
Blue Hair- Chrom

Assist:

Lego- Steve
Merchant Egg- Don't know
Octopus- Ultros
Divine- Don't Know
Dad- Flint?
Pig- Pig Wizard, Porky, or Pigma

 

[papagenos]

I still don't see any reason to give Vergeben credit unless Simon is revealed. Ridley wasn't a difficult guess.

but konami returning at all was.

and the "minecraft" being involved in some way and then we got the ad for crossplay between xboxone and switch...

 

[Zerp]

On the topic of this leak:

For the sake of cataloguing, who do you think the characters are? Thanks to 4chan and my own intuition, I've determined this thus far:

Spoiler: Characters

Whip - Simon Belmont
Pic Related - Dark Matter or possibly Skull Kid
Witch - Ashley
Sliced Apple - ?
Anime - Rex and Pyra or Elma
Archer - Decidueye
House - ?
Science - ?
Cards - Hanafuda? Paper Mario?

The Echoes are easy
Prime - Dark Samus
Edgy - Shadow
Dog - Isabelle
Asthma - Ninten (the only character in Earthbound who can have it)
Blue Hair - Chrom

I just need to figure out Sliced Apple, House, Science, and Cards.

Edit: Science could potentially be K. Rool (he was a mad scientist for one of his fights), but I wouldn't bank on it. There'd be a more obvious hint for him in my opinion.

I think @Tord the Red Leader nailed it on sliced apple, Bandana Dee seems the most plausible. For science I'd guess Dr. Eggman, but that's just my bias showing because it's so vague, it could be any character that uses science really. For house, maybe it's someone from the new Fire Emblem game, Three Houses? That feels like such a reach, I feel so lost lol. Are there any famous video game characters known for making houses?

 

[KMDP]

Characters 'anime' could refer to:
Rex & Pyra
Isaac
Lloyd Irving
Agumon
Sora
Sephiroth
Son Goku
Almost any Fire Emblem character

Seriously, 'anime' is vague to the point of uselessness!

 

[Ignoritus]

I still don't see any reason to give Vergeben credit unless Simon is revealed. Ridley wasn't a difficult guess.

People have a really bad habit of devaluing leaks after the fact. Guessing "Ridley is in the game" is meaningless. Guessing "Ridley is in the game and will be revealed at E3" is meaningless when it's a 4chan ****post and the person can easily vanish and reject any repudiation for making the claim. Guessing "Ridley is in the game and will be revealed at E3" is not a free pass when you're an established leaker with any degree of reputation riding on whether or not what you say is true.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh, puzzle leaks.

The perfect format as it takes time to figure out and there's wiggle room for interpretation

 

[Will]

People have a really bad habit of devaluing leaks after the fact. Guessing "Ridley is in the game" is meaningless. Guessing "Ridley is in the game and will be revealed at E3" is meaningless when it's a 4chan ****post and the person can easily vanish and reject any repudiation for making the claim. Guessing "Ridley is in the game and will be revealed at E3" is not a free pass when you're an established leaker with any degree of reputation riding on whether or not what you say is true.

Unless you're Gematsu and everyone bows to your knees when you say Wii Fit Trainer. I always did wonder if "his source" was a legit guy or just really nice guessing.

 

[PhantomShab]

These people must really get a kick out of writing up fake leaks every other day.

 

[Will]

These people must really get a kick out of writing up fake leaks every other day.

It's more like every other hour. Smash hit mega mainstream, people are gonna "leak" more than ever.

 

[Wyoming]

I think @Tord the Red Leader nailed it on sliced apple, Bandana Dee seems the most plausible. For science I'd guess Dr. Eggman, but that's just my bias showing because it's so vague, it could be any character that uses science really. For house, maybe it's someone from the new Fire Emblem game, Three Houses? That feels like such a reach, I feel so lost lol. Are there any famous video game characters known for making houses?

Buy Mode from the Sims confirmed!

 

[KMDP]

These people must really get a kick out of writing up fake leaks every other day.

Well, don't we do pretty much the same thing?

Making rosters, I mean. We don't go through the pretence of saying they're "leaks".

 

[Enchess]

but konami returning at all was.

and the "minecraft" being involved in some way and then we got the ad for crossplay between xboxone and switch...

Snake was a much riskier guess than Ridley, but still not exactly something no one would BS.

The Minecraft crossplay doesn't really prove anything with his leak though... Minecraft is still not confirmed to be anywhere near Smash. Also when exactly was the leak exactly? We knew about Minecraft crossplay almost a month before E3.

I don't know much about Vergeben but people keep saying he's been spotty on accuracy before and he was wrong with his wrong Castlevania predictions.

I just don't understand why people are so convinced he had to have a legit source. So far Snake and Ridley are all he has going for him and that's not a lot.

EDIT: I'll also throw in Gematsu had way more evidence of being true and it still didn't pan out. Why should I trust Vergeben when the more supported Gematsu leak was wrong?

 

[Deleted member]

I still don't see any reason to give Vergeben credit unless Simon is revealed. Ridley wasn't a difficult guess.

Why in the bloody Hell do people keep saying this?!

Ridley was not a "safe guess" in the least. Let alone that he would be for sure revealed at E3.
Has hindsight put people in a stranglehold to where they forget that Ridley was generally considered as "never going to happen" after Smash 4?

 

[Enchess]

Why in the bloody Hell do people keep saying this?!

Ridley was not a "safe guess" in the least. Let alone that he would be for sure revealed at E3.
Has hindsight put people in a stranglehold to where they forget that Ridley was generally considered as "never going to happen" after Smash 4?

Ridley was the thing I was most confident for this game. I would've bet a couple hundred dollars on it pre-E3 easily.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Why in the bloody Hell do people keep saying this?!

Ridley was not a "safe guess" in the least. Let alone that he would be for sure revealed at E3.
Has hindsight put people in a stranglehold to where they forget that Ridley was generally considered as "never going to happen" after Smash 4?

Exactly. He was in the same position Waluigi is now. Which is to say, not good.

 

[Wambo]

Hey, if we have any lurkers out there who write fake leaks, keep putting Geno in them so if it ends up that he's not in the game, Sakurai will add him anyway like he did with Mewtwo in Smash 4 because fans expected him to be in.

I'm being totally serious btw, I've spent the last couple of weeks watching videos about Super Mario RPG and I'm getting hella nostalgic for him. Same thing for K.Rool, a little bit.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

EDIT: WAIT

EDIT2: I'm an idiot, I just saw that without paying a ton of attention, that's dash attack not side B >.> Rip I want new things to look at so I stop seeing things that don't exist

 

[Enchess]

Exactly. He was in the same position Waluigi is now. Which is to say, not good.

Waluigi is literally deconfirmed. That's a ridiculous comparison. Ridley was by a massive margin the character with the most vocal fanbase. Sakurai had to personally address why he wasn't included, which why I see why people think that was perma-deconfirm, he did the same with Villager and then boom villager got in. Nintendo also stepped up Ridley marketing and references after Sm4sh in things like Badge Arcade. They made direct jokes about him not being in Smash, which is an incredibly dumb PR move if they aren't going to put him in this one. Metroid Prime 4 and Samus Returns make Ridley desire so much stronger in his fanbase. I just think it was always likely that Sakurai would take a second look at Ridley knowing that there'd be another outcry if he missed out again. None of the objections to Ridley ever really made sense and I was confident that of Sakurai actually tried to make Ridley work he'd realize there wasn't really an issue.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley was the thing I was most confident for this game. I would've bet a couple hundred dollars on it pre-E3 easily.

So you represent like....0.01% of the fanbase.

If it weren't for any sort of leak that said Ridley was actually going to be playable this time, damn near everyone would have told you that were being foolish with your money.

 

[Chandeelure]

Sliced apple is probably Dee.

Apples are red. When you slice a bit off, you expose the yellowish whitish inside. That kinda sorta resembles Dee's color scheme.

They are twins.

 

[Enchess]

So you represent like....0.01% of the fanbase.

If it weren't for any sort of leak that said Ridley was actually going to be playable this time, damn near everyone would have told you that were being foolish with your money.

Well, I was also extremely confident in an AC rep before Villager and was confident that Chorus Kids weren't in Sm4sh, so I don't think my track record of just guessing is that bad haha.

Ridley had everything going for him. A fanbase big enough to make headlines, acknowledgement from Sakurai, and the openly admitted reason for him being passed over wasn't an issue to anyone who tried to make it work. There was no way Sakurai wasn't at least going to try thinking through how to make him work after Sm4sh backlash. It really didn't take much thought to realize that size was never a critical part of his identity.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Ridley was the thing I was most confident for this game. I would've bet a couple hundred dollars on it pre-E3 easily.

Because you were confident doesn't mean the majority of speculators were. Most had then on their roster only because they wanted him in not because they thought he'd get in.

Wasn't a safe guess at all.

 

[CJ Falcon]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018...intendo-switch-minecraft-have-representation/

According to eventhubs.com this Vergeben guy has made several completely inaccurate claims, and most of the claims that were accurate seem to have been no-brainers. Don't see a reason to put stock in his leak just because of Ridley and/or Snake.

 

[WaddleMatt]

8 more pages and we will have reached the year Smash started.

 

[Slavic]

To be fair, 'safe choice' is a meaningless phrase when it comes to leaks, because it's (usually) entirely subjective to the audience. Some people, including me, thought Ridley was safe / most likely, other people didn't. It's not like either can point at the other and say why they're wrong about their interpretation. Of everything on his leak, Ridley and Ice Climbers were the 0% surprise to see on a leak / in the game for me. Other people see it way different, and that's valid too. It really doesn't matter if Ridley was a 'safe choice' or not, it just changes the light people see the leak in.

 

[Zinith]

8 more pages and we will have reached the year Smash started.

**** if we were assigning the page numbers to years, I should've claimed the last page as the "Yoshi Page" (1990)

 

[WaddleMatt]

**** if we were assigning the page numbers to years, I should've claimed the last page as the "Yoshi Page" (1990)

You still got a chance to claim some games.

 

[Will]

8 more pages and we will have reached the year Smash started.

Only 90s kids can understand the next 8 pages.

 

[Zinith]

1991 is at least the year I was born. I'm most definitely a 90s kid

 

[Enchess]

To be fair, 'safe choice' is a meaningless phrase when it comes to leaks, because it's (usually) entirely subjective to the audience. Some people, including me, thought Ridley was safe / most likely, other people didn't. It's not like either can point at the other and say why they're wrong about their interpretation. Of everything on his leak, Ridley and Ice Climbers were the 0% surprise to see on a leak / in the game. Other people see it way different, and that's valid too. It really doesn't matter if Ridley was a 'safe choice' or not, it just changes the light people see the leak in.

This is sorta my point too. Ridley may seem like an amazing guess to a lot of people here, but to me and I know others any attempt at a fake leak would need to include him to seem credible. Nothing in his leak is outside the realm of things people might put in a fake leak to seem credible except (imo) Simon and Minecraft and there's so far nothing on either.

This feels like Gematsu all over again. Everyone acts like the people who don't believe the leak are being dumb and willfully blind and then the leak ends up being fake and everyone will get mad that the leaked character wasn't real.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

To be fair, 'safe choice' is a meaningless phrase when it comes to leaks, because it's (usually) entirely subjective to the audience. Some people, including me, thought Ridley was safe / most likely, other people didn't. It's not like either can point at the other and say why they're wrong about their interpretation. Of everything on his leak, Ridley and Ice Climbers were the 0% surprise to see on a leak / in the game for me. Other people see it way different, and that's valid too. It really doesn't matter if Ridley was a 'safe choice' or not, it just changes the light people see the leak in.

Adding to that, when you fire in every single direction, you're bound to hit something sooner or later. You could claim that every character and their mother would show up, and end up being right about at least a few of them, if that.

 

[Enchess]

Adding to that, when you fire in every single direction, you're bound to hit something sooner or later. You could claim that every character and their mother would show up, and end up being right about at least a few of them, if that.

So kinda funny story: I was super tempted to throw out a fake leak here before E3 with Ridley, Ice Climbers, K Rool (the 3 I considered most likely pre-E3), and then throw in a Fatal Frame rep because I (1) thought it would be cool if people started rallying behind FF rep like they did with Chorus Kids and (2) thought it would be funny if people thought I had inside information. I ended up not doing it because I googled "Fatal Frame Smash Leak" and surprisingly stumbled on a couple of them.

 

[WaddleMatt]

Only 90s kids can understand the next 8 pages.

Well see you all on page 2002.

 

[Arcanir]

I still fail to see how a leak that got all except two things wrong, with those last two things having official information suggesting/stating outright they were at least on the initial draft, was fake.

Especially when said leak actually named Mii Fighters, a concept that wasn't guessed for the inclusion of the Miis.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

This is sorta my point too. Ridley may seem like an amazing guess to a lot of people here, but to me and I know others any attempt at a fake leak would need to include him to seem credible. Nothing in his leak is outside the realm of things people might put in a fake leak to seem credible except (imo) Simon and Minecraft and there's so far nothing on either.

This feels like Gematsu all over again. Everyone acts like the people who don't believe the leak are being dumb and willfully blind and then the leak ends up being fake and everyone will get mad that the leaked character wasn't real.

The point though is it's the only rumor to this point that has gotten anything correct without getting anything disproved. So it deserves an eye on it AT LEAST. Also you can't ignore that the guy got some weird stuff right in the past (TMNT) and thus gives him more credit, even if he's been more wrong than right, over a literally anonymous 4 chan text post lol.

 

[KMDP]

This page is obviously the Sonic page (1991). Oh wait, lots of pages on this thread have arguing about Sonic on them.
Hmm... can anybody think of any good taglines/puns for Sora?