Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bradli Wartooth]

What costumes for veterans do people think we could see? As we already know, we received some very cool costumes in the shape of PoR/RD Ike, Tux and Builder Mario, Meta Ridley, and probably some others that I'm missing.

Costumes I'd love to see include
-Spiky Eared Pichu (pls ;-; )
-Hooded Robin
-Masked Lucina

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Sub-Zero could slide around that cuz ice powers. He'd be like + with more mobility?

But tone down heavily like snakes butt or Zero Suits Chest lol I'm just saying what nintendo would do for Mortal Kombat characters , If we do get Sub Zero , he won't BE like Sub Zero.

Since Smash provides free advertising/money for third parties, SNK would be wise to let Sakurai borrow Terry or Marco, in turn making people more aware of their games. They don't know what they're missing.

As for Heihachi, he's gotta get in someday, alongside one of those Virtua Fighter characters.

I have to agree with Riley here I believe Ryu works cause Street Fighter was one of the first fighting game classics of it's time having too many Fighting game Fighters might be a bit much

Well, that and it's one of the most approachable traditional 2D fighters gameplay wise. I've seen it called the entry-level fighter quite a few times.

And the fact it introduce realistic looking fighters in low pixel platform

 

[monadoboy]

I'd rather not see any, but Black Knight would be pretty damn cool over Ike.

A very slow, hard hitting Ike, maybe? Might be awkward because of all that armor but since they were basically trained by the same man (and that plays into the plot) he'd be cool, indeed. Plus, villain.

I'm actually surprised everyone's jumping onto the thought train of "We're getting a ton of echo fighters".



I really doubt there's that many more.

"But Sakurai made up the term, why would he---"


Maybe he just wants to differentiate semi-clones from 1:1 clones officially? I mean, let's be frank, (debatably), , WERE Echo Fighters in Smash 4, we just didn't have the fancy new name for them. And there were only 3, not like, 5 more like soo many people predict.


I'm keeping my echos low.

I'm not expecting a ton, maybe two or three more. They could also be used as DLC to pad out the roster, selling character packs or something. (Example: Xenoblade pack with Rex and that someone that would fit as an Echo of that other someone because spoilers)
I suspect Echoes aren't just last minute additions, too.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Truth, no no one can argue with me on this I'd say other than Eggman he one of the most important characters in the Sonic series.

To me, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Shadow are all worthy.

Issue is we can only MAYBE get one of them, and I think they'd go with the easiest choice, that being Shadow.

Heroes and their rivals are very popular choices for everything especially fighting games. To use Dragon Ball here as a comparison.

You have the choices of Goku & Krillin (the best friend, although he could be seen as a Bulma mixed with a Krillin, Tails)
Goku & Piccolo (first super major rival besides Tenshinhan, Knuckles).
Goku & Frieza (Eggman because Frieza is DB's most popular villian)
Then you come to Goku and Vegeta (Shadow). Who do you think the overall fanbase would want the most? Sure theres support for all 4, but likely they'll go for the villian or the rival, more likely the rival because everyone wants to see Goku and Vegeta go at it again (even if they aren't big fans of either because their fights are massive and personal).

This is my reasoning for Shadow, beyond the fact that I do want him in, despite being with the Sonic franchise since I was 3 years old and playing Sonic 2 with my Mom, I think Shadow is the easiest to add of the Sonic verse for Sakurai's team as well as a hype builder for a large fanbase, people went nuts when he was playable in Forces again.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I have to agree with Riley here I believe Ryu works cause Street Fighter was one of the first fighting game classics of it's time having too many Fighting game Fighters might be a bit much

So, if Smash was only allowed to have reps from two fighting game franchises, who do you think the other one should be?

What costumes for veterans do people think we could see? As we already know, we received some very cool costumes in the shape of PoR/RD Ike, Tux and Builder Mario, Meta Ridley, and probably some others that I'm missing.

Costumes I'd love to see include
-Spiky Eared Pichu (pls ;-
-Hooded Robin
-Masked Lucina

Rock for Mega Man. If not that, just a helmetless variant would do.
Cat Peach would be nice, although getting that to work with the float physics would be rather silly.

A very slow, hard hitting Ike, maybe? Might be awkward because of all that armor but since they were basically trained by the same man (and that plays into the plot) he'd be cool, indeed. Plus, villain.


I'm not expecting a ton, maybe two or three more. They could also be used as DLC to pad out the roster, selling character packs or something. (Example: Xenoblade pack with Rex and that someone that would fit as an Echo of that other someone because spoilers)
I suspect Echoes aren't just last minute additions, too.

Yeah, I completely forgot about the Black Knight. If he was the last FE addition ever, I'd be fine with that.

 

[Enchess]

Bit off topic, but has anyone considered that if we get indie representation in any form it might actually be something from Stardew Valley? That game sold really well on Switch and Nintendo has acknowledged it a few times like with it's cameo in the background of E3 Direct.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

A very slow, hard hitting Ike, maybe? Might be awkward because of all that armor but since they were basically trained by the same man (and that plays into the plot) he'd be cool, indeed. Plus, villain.


I'm not expecting a ton, maybe two or three more. They could also be used as DLC to pad out the roster, selling character packs or something. (Example: Xenoblade pack with Rex and that someone that would fit as an Echo of that other someone because spoilers)
I suspect Echoes aren't just last minute additions, too.

If we get dlc I'm thinking 1 or 2 at best, if we're thinking more characters i'm thinking 4 at best for main game I belive two first party and two 3rd party Im hoping for at least ashley and tetra with Crash and coco being a echo fighter if not crash maybe Banjo and Kazooie I can get behind that idea of the those coming to smash especially seeing how Microsoft and Nintendo are all buddy buddy right now.

 

[KMDP]

Truth, no, no one can argue with me on this I'd say other than Eggman he one of the most important characters in the Sonic series.

I really, really struggled to come up with negatives for Dixie, Ashley, Tails and Simon.

Those are the four characters (along with Ken) that, were I a betting man, I would put money on.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

If they really wanted to differentiate Pit and Dark Pit, Sakurai could've gave one or the other Pit's Brawl moveset and left the other with the newer moveset

And that wouldn’t have made much sense with a majority of the Kid Icarus content in Smash 4 being Uprising inspired (modern Pit using his old school fighting ways would’ve been weird while Dark Pit having the Brawl moveset probably would’ve been pretty ridiculous)

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I’m in need of a Street Fighter X Mortal Kombat crossover through Smash Bros (add Tekken in there aswell if needed)

 

[Jedisupersonic]

A very slow, hard hitting Ike, maybe? Might be awkward because of all that armor but since they were basically trained by the same man (and that plays into the plot) he'd be cool, indeed. Plus, villain.

The BK can still be decently fast, look how quick he is in this cutscene

 

[blackghost]

Well Death Battle's research is spotty to say the least.

i've only seen a few i didn't agree with the worst offender being gaara vs toph.
but in their format zelda is at a heavy disadvantage becuase there is no story at all unless zelda fails in some way meanwhile peach has starred in a game and has the rpg series.

 

[DYED]

Bit off topic, but has anyone considered that if we get indie representation in any form it might actually be something from Stardew Valley? That game sold really well on Switch and Nintendo has acknowledged it a few times like with it's cameo in the background of E3 Direct.

I don't know, I think it would be too similar to Villager in terms of concept.
Shovel Knight and Shantae are much more suitable, they both also sold really well on the console.

Especially Shovel Knight and its beautiful, beautiful amiibo set.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Well Death Battle's research is spotty to say the least.

Well, that's true, but they've gotten plenty of stuff right, including Peach VS Zelda, Honestly, that was one of the most one-sided fights in Death Battle history.

 

[Enchess]

I don't know, I think it would be too similar to Villager in terms of concept.
Shovel Knight and Shantae are much more suitable, they both also sold really well on the console.

Especially Shovel Knight and its beautiful, beautiful amiibo set.

Some form of representation, not necessarily character. Maybe an assist trophy. I honestly think Indies have a worse chance at a character than Master Chief.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I'm still holding the belief if we got any sort of Indie it'd be Quote for his legacy for Indies (y'know Cave Story was a big deal back when it was first a thing) or Shovel Knight.

Me personally? I'd pick Lilac from Freedom Planet out of pure bias but that's never going to happen, (I have Indie Pogo for that anyways).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Some form of representation, not necessarily character. Maybe an assist trophy. I honestly think Indies have a worse chance at a character than Master Chief.

At least Shantae got Inti Creates' support from Pirate's Curse onwards. Shovel Knight has an uphill battle even if he shows up everywhere on the indie scene.

Which reminds me, Blade Strangers will be close enough if SK doesn't make it, though it is a weird thing.

 

[Fenriraga]

There is really no good way to predict how Indies are going to go this time around. It's safe to assume we won't have an indie fighter, but I feel the chance for other indie representation is fairly high. We have Commander Video's trophy in Wii U, after all.

The farthest I can see it going is an assist.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

If we get an indie fighter, I hope it would be Shantae

 

[KMDP]

Considering Shantae started out on the Gameboy Colour, she has a long history with Nintendo.

In my opinion, she's the most likely Indie Character, but I don't think Indies are likely in general.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

As much as I'd love to see Shantae, I don't think she has much of a chance. I don't consider her Indie in the first place either.

 

[Fenriraga]

Shantae would absolutely be my first pick for anything indie related Smash might have. She has a legacy as far back as the Gameboy Color, and absolutely has her popularity.

Of course, that popularity is likely a bit outshined by the likes of Shovel Knight, possibly even Quote. Any of the three I can see working well as an assist, to boot.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I dunno about Shantae. Honestly, I think there's a much better character who's dressed like that...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Shantae would absolutely be my first pick for anything indie related Smash might have. She has a legacy as far back as the Gameboy Color, and absolutely has her popularity.

Of course, that popularity is likely a bit outshined by the likes of Shovel Knight, possibly even Quote. Any of the three I can see working well as an assist, to boot.

Adding to that, she has that "moe" appeal that the Japanese like, so that's something.

At this point in time though, all we can do is wait and see what they'll do with indies, if anything, beyond trophies.

 

[Enchess]

I actually would rather we didn't get an indie playable, but if we did Quote for sure. He got that 3DS remake and Switch release. It's crazy how that game can still sell, physical copies even, when 90% complete version is available legally for free. Plus, other than Shantae he'd feel the least out of place next to everyone else.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I really, really struggled to come up with negatives for Dixie, Ashley, Tails and Simon.

Those are the four characters (along with Ken) that, were I a betting man, I would put money on.

Dixie - Isn't quite as popular in the fandom as K. Rool and has stark competition with him.

Tails - Same as above, but replace "K. Rool" with "Shadow". Plus, we're not sure if thrid parties will even get a second playable rep.

Simon - Again, another Third Party rep from one that already has two characters in Smash, with one being playable.

Ashley - Wario's franchise is popular, but easily overlooked. Previously had an AT which she can quite easily be again; we're not sure.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

It's Shovel Knight or no indie.

I don't think Shantae or Quote or any of the other options are going to beat Mr. Indie. That dude sort of became the mascot for indie success.

Granted if anyone is gonna beat him to the punch it might be Shantae. Those were the two talked about most during the ballot period.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Well, that's true, but they've gotten plenty of stuff right, including Peach VS Zelda, Honestly, that was one of the most one-sided fights in Death Battle history.

How'd you feel about the Baddie version of that battle?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The thing with Indies, I believe, is that they’d probably be treated the same way as 3rd parties.

With 3rd parties, each has some sort of Nintendo connection I suppose. But if connections to Nintendo matter, I see Shovel Knight as probably the largest contender. Not only is he widely known throughout the gaming industry, but he’s appeared on numerous platforms and has his own series of amiibo. He’s fairly iconic. Not Sonic or necessarily Cloud iconic, but iconic.

Not to mention Yacht Club is fairly easy to work with in terms of using Shovel Knight. Either way, I’m not really sure an indie is going to happen, but I think Shovel Knight would be a ton of fun.

 

[Opossum]

Dixie - Isn't quite as popular in the fandom as K. Rool and has stark competition with him.

Tails - Same as above, but replace "K. Rool" with "Shadow". Plus, we're not sure if thrid parties will even get a second playable rep.

Simon - Again, another Third Party rep from one that already has two characters in Smash, with one being playable.

Ashley - Wario's franchise is popular, but easily overlooked. Previously had an AT which she can quite easily be again; we're not sure.

Why are you seemingly counting Bomberman toward the Konami character count and not, say, Knuckles and Rodin for SEGA? I don't see how that's a point against Simon.

 

[zeldasmash]

Shovel Knight is the likeliest indie to join the game.

If Shovel Knight doesn't make it, I really don't see any other indie joining. Shovel Knight is almost a role model for indies.

 

[KMDP]

Dixie - Isn't quite as popular in the fandom as K. Rool and has stark competition with him.

Umm... about that. Before I began lurking on Smashboards during the lead-up to Smash 4, I knew who Dixie was, but had forgotten all about K. Rool. So, outside of Smashboards, Citation Needed

Tails - Same as above, but replace "K. Rool" with "Shadow". Plus, we're not sure if thrid parties will even get a second playable rep.

I won't argue with the point about Third parties getting a Second rep. But Sonic, Tails and Shadow are the most popular Sonic characters, and Tails is Sonic's Luigi.

Simon - Again, another Third Party rep from one that already has two characters in Smash, with one being playable.

No arguments there, except one: Sega has two playable reps + two Assist trophies.

Ashley - Wario's franchise is popular, but easily overlooked. Previously had an AT which she can quite easily be again; we're not sure.

"Easily overlooked" is subjective. Ashley is popular in Japan, Sakurai's home country. If Japanese fans want her, she'll get in.

 

[WolfCypher]

And that wouldn’t have made much sense with a majority of the Kid Icarus content in Smash 4 being Uprising inspired (modern Pit using his old school fighting ways would’ve been weird while Dark Pit having the Brawl moveset probably would’ve been pretty ridiculous)

Actually Pit keeping his Brawl specials would have been fine, espesically since he lost his SSB4 Final Smash. The Three Sacred Treasures have been importantn in every Kid Icarus game, including Uprising, and I don't think Pit has to exclusively cater to only his Uprising appearance. Mario still uses a Cape from a game from 1991, and the FLUDD has long stopped being relevant in main Mario games. Zelda and Ganondorf are aesthetically based on old game's designs instead of BotW or Skyward Sword, and when was the last Zelda game to feature Din, Nayru, and Farore's gifts?

I see no reason Mirror Shield and Wings of Icarus couldn't have been featured for Pit's standard specials, while Palutena, Dark Pit, the Magnus Assist Trophy, the Uprising music and stage would have been more than enough to refer to Uprising. Also, I just prefer Pit as he played in Brawl. He took a huge nosedive with 4's changes.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Why are you seemingly counting Bomberman toward the Konami character count and not, say, Knuckles and Rodin for SEGA? I don't see how that's a point against Simon.

Then that only adds to my point. A second playable SEGA character who counts as Third Party is now looking even more opaque than ever, while the Konami characters who aren't Snake seem to be delegated to AT material as well. Sakurai knew he was popular, as he wouldn't have called Bomberman a special guest and simply state "Yep. He's here!" when Bomberman was at his most relevant during development time and had a clear following in the community.

I'm not gonna attach myself to a leaker who's already shaky as it is just yet. If ANY Third Party is getting a second rep, it's SEGA. Konami already had all of its characters cut once and now recently came back when Sonic has been here for three games straight.

Bayo... people are hesitant to truly call her "Third Party" to begin with so, she's shaky on if she even counts.

 

[Enchess]

Shovel Knight is the likeliest indie to join the game.

If Shovel Knight doesn't make it, I really don't see any other indie joining. Shovel Knight is almost a role model for indies.

I mean Cave Story was also considered the role model for Indies not that long ago. Plus Cave Story also has a special relationship with Nintendo with things like physical rerelease on Switch and the Nintendo exclusive 3D remake, which I'd argue is as big a deal as Shovel Knight amiibo pack.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Honestly I'm not expecting a western 3rd party period, let alone an indie one. If we got one it'd be Rayman or Crash. And honestly I think the whole concept of an "indie rep" is kinda weird, indie isn't a singular game or even genre that one character can rep and I don't see them adding an indie character for the sake of having an indie character

 

[Pakky]

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It's Shovel Knight or no indie.

About that though...

 

[Just a random scrub]

How'd you feel about the Baddie version of that battle?

Absolute BS. One of the worst verdicts in DB history.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

What costumes for veterans do people think we could see? As we already know, we received some very cool costumes in the shape of PoR/RD Ike, Tux and Builder Mario, Meta Ridley, and probably some others that I'm missing.

Costumes I'd love to see include
-Spiky Eared Pichu (pls ;-
-Hooded Robin
-Masked Lucina

Minor note, Spiky Eared Pichu is female so that'd be another female costume on a (assumed) male character.

 

[Curious Villager]

I would personally like to see a new third party company get a character instead of just expanding on the current ones coughlikeLevel5cough
Koei Tecmo sounds like decent choice I guess...

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Umm... about that. Before I began lurking on Smashboards during the lead-up to Smash 4, I knew who Dixie was, but had forgotten all about K. Rool. So, outside of Smashboards, Citation Needed

I won't argue with the point about Third parties getting a Second rep. But Sonic, Tails and Shadow are the most popular Sonic characters, and Tails is Sonic's Luigi.

No arguments there, except one: Sega has two playable reps + two Assist trophies.

"Easily overlooked" is subjective. Ashley is popular in Japan, Sakurai's home country. If Japanese fans want her, she'll get in.

If polls are worth anything from many websites as well aa Rare employees, or previous ones, launching a campaign for him to be in Sm4sh, and I don't care how inflated or biased you think it is, then K. Rool clearly has his popularity. Heck, he has a Mii Costume because of it.

You asked for negatives; I supplied. They can be as subjective as they want.