Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Darkraid]

This makes me wonder.

If we accept the school of thought of "There's probably 7 reveals left" how will they show them?

We have effectively 5 months and 2 weeks until the game launches, but will they all be shown just through Directs?

Will Echoes be shown via Directs, or on the site? Daisy didn't get a trailer after all, so it seems like just dropping an Echo on the site during a lull wouldn't be too outlandish of a thought.

I really hope echoes dont count as part of the 7

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Does it actually matter? Seriously.

What does it concern you? Do my posts matter? Seriously?

 

[Shroob]

Uhhhh. No. That's a horrible analogy. It's more like having a playable Inkling, which is already a reality.

Ocotlings are faceless enemy units, they're not actually playable outside of Splatoon 2.

Unless the game is using stuff from Splatoon2, Octolings were basically just random enemies in Splatoon 1.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

What does it concern you? Do my posts matter? Seriously?

Because you often take trivial matters and blow them up like it’s a life or death situation. It’s annoying frankly.

The guy just posted his thoughts on Excitebike (someone who just joined like 40 minutes ago). There’s no need to jump down his throat just because he posted something that rubbed you the wrong way.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ocotlings are faceless enemy units, they're not actually playable outside of Splatoon 2.

So you just admitted they are playable. The Octoling is the rival of the Inkling just like Dark Pit is the rival of Pit.

Echo fighters are usually later additions and there is already plenty of content from games like Super Mario Odyssey that was released way later than Splatoon 2.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Ocotlings are faceless enemy units, they're not actually playable outside of Splatoon 2.

Unless the game is using stuff from Splatoon2, Octolings were basically just random enemies in Splatoon 1.

To be fair though they've practically planned to be playable for years

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Yeah, that'd be one of my greatest dreams! Although they might have to do price reduction on those compared to 4's batch, if there can be this many.

I imagine there will be a somewhat costly Season Pass released ($30-$40) that nets you everything.

We paid almost the full price of Smash 4 for 7 characters, so they can get away high prices so long as it isn't ridiculous.

Lookin' at you Fire Emblem Fates and Echoes.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because you often take trivial matters and blow them up like it’s a life or death situation. It’s annoying frankly.

If you think I'm annoying, then that's what the ignore button is for. Not that you need a button for that.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Rex has concept art dating back to 2014.

Octolings colors are darker. Like Dark Pit and he didn't have that problem. As for Spring Man, I have him because I think there is a possibility he may be added late like Sonic was, especially because Ribbon Girl can be made from his data, thus allowing time for more characters.

Back when the Greninja situation happened, Sakurai outright said it was an exception for just Pokemon, a new unproven IP and a mid tier series should not be expected to get the same treatment. And with Sonic's late inclusion in Brawl, it was because he was originally planned (Sega just initially denied him) and because he was the most requested character by such a massive margin (plus Mario vs. Sonic was such a huge deal back then). They're not going to delay the game just to add Spring Man, especially in the age of DLC.

 

[Darkraid]

I honestly think 100 characters is possible with DLC.

72-75 is my prediction for the base roster, but I imagine we'll get at least 10-15 characters through DLC, if not more. Nintendo is going to go big with the DLC for this game similar to Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, they would be dumb not to.

Maybe release a whole new expansion with 12 more fighters and name it Ultimate Super Smash Bros Ultimate?

 

[Honest Slug]

I think Rex & Pyra, Spring Man and Octoling are all out of the running for the base game while being top possibilities for DLC.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Back when the Greninja situation happened, Sakurai outright said it was an exception for just Pokemon, a new unproven IP and a mid tier series should not be expected to get the same treatment. And with Sonic's late inclusion in Brawl, it was because he was originally planned (Sega just initially denied him) and because he was the most requested character by such a massive margin (plus Mario vs. Sonic was such a huge deal back then). They're not going to delay the game just to add Spring Man, especially in the age of DLC.

I never said the situations were exactly the same. You said Rex was created too late and I demonstrated why that's false. I also never said the game would be delayed.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

If you think I'm annoying, then that's what the ignore button is for.

Edit: The guy just posted his thoughts on Excitebike (someone who just joined like 40 minutes ago). There’s no need to jump down his throat just because he posted something that rubbed you the wrong way.

That’s what’s what I find annoying. Perhaps I shouldn’t of called you out like that and went to PM instead. Just lighten up - especially with people are probably aren’t familiar with your brand of debate.

 

[Shroob]

So you just admitted they are playable. The Octoling is the rival of the Inkling just like Dark Pit is the rival of Pit.

Echo fighters are usually later additions and there is already plenty of content from games like Super Mario Odyssey that was released way later than Splatoon 2.

Dark Pit was also playable in Uprising, Octolings weren't in Splat1.

I really just do not see them.

I'll be fine with them if they're in, but I'm not going to bank on it.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Rex has concept art dating back to 2014.

Octolings colors are darker. Like Dark Pit and he didn't have that problem. As for Spring Man, I have him because I think there is a possibility he may be added late like Sonic was, especially because Ribbon Girl can be made from his data, thus allowing time for more characters.

I'm not talking Octoling costume colors, I'm talking ink colors. MoonlitIllusion did bring up a good point about colors, but I'm still skeptical.

While Rex may have concept art dating back to 2014, his game didn't come out until much later, and Sakurai would likely add Elma, the main character of the released and successful Xenoblade Chronicles X, instead of the unproved Rex, who's game wouldn't come out until much later.

Also I feel like Spring Man wouldn't be added late like Sonic as Sonic was a very special case. Unless Nintendo directly came in and said "add Spring Man," which I highly doubt they would as they let Sakurai do his own thing, he likely won't be in the base game.

In other news, another s***ty 4chan leak appears.

Spoiler: Leak contents

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/421544445
Newcomers: Poipole, Ashley, Elma, Tingle, Simon
Echoes: Dixie, Isabelle, Dark Samus, Octolings

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I never said the situations were exactly the same. You said Rex was created too late and I demonstrated why that's false. I also never said the game would be delayed.

It is too late when Xenoblade isn't Pokemon, and just Sonic's inclusion delayed Brawl, so adding a unique Spring Man late into the roster would do the same.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I think Rex & Pyra, Spring Man and Octoling are all out of the running for the base game while being top possibilities for DLC.

Although Octolings would 100% be a clone so adding them later in development could be possible, and octolings have been in the planning for years, they could've asked the splatoon team about them while working on inklings or something.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Let's bring the personal stuff to PM's, please.

In addition, blowing things out of proportion when somebody voices their opinion is uncool. Keep it civil and reasonable.

 

[EchoAegis]

People actually think Octolings have a chance really?

If so please explain it to me because I can't really understand that tbh

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It is too late when Xenoblade isn't Pokemon

I don't see why that's relevant.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

People actually think Octolings have a chance really?

If so please explain it to me because I can't really understand that tbh

Easy clone, could be added later into development with no problem, nintendo's pushing them with the octo expansion, they've been planned to be in splatoon for years so in communicating with the splatoon team they could've talked about it. It's definitely possible.

 

[Fenriraga]

People actually think Octolings have a chance really?

If so please explain it to me because I can't really understand that tbh

Echo Fighters/Clones are usually added after the game's project plan, as they're extremely easy to develop.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Sakurai might take something more recent and put it in as an echo for the sake of a bit of promotion, and the Octos fall under that catagory pretty well.

It's all just spitballing at the end of the day.

 

[monadoboy]

So you just admitted they are playable. The Octoling is the rival of the Inkling just like Dark Pit is the rival of Pit.

Echo fighters are usually later additions and there is already plenty of content from games like Super Mario Odyssey that was released way later than Splatoon 2.

To be fair, Dark Pit was playable in the main game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People actually think Octolings have a chance really?

If so please explain it to me because I can't really understand that tbh

As an Echo, yes. It's very easy to make a moveset for them.

The real issue is having good alt colors.

...Then again, look at Dark Pit. He was hard to tell apart in 4.

Mind you, Octolings do have enough physical differences. But they could always somewhat change 'em up a tad with permission to help separate them.

 

[Opossum]

I don't see why that's relevant.

It's totally relevant. Last time Sakurai said Pokémon was his sole exception to his "never diverge from the project plan" approach.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I don't see why that's relevant.

Because when Sakurai made a future inclusion for Greninja, it was because he was from Pokemon, Nintendo's biggest franchise. Xenoblade is not going to get the same treatment, especially when there's already a perfectly usable and decently popular relevant character from the series to use (Elma).

 

[Guybrush20X6]

People actually think Octolings have a chance really?

If so please explain it to me because I can't really understand that tbh

Well Octolings are for all intents and purposes, the Octopus version of Inklings and they play exactly the same in Splatoon. Therefore they make an easy clone. Kind of like Roy for Marth in Melee (though with less differences).

Personally, I think they'd change the roller attack to an Octobrush attack which is quicker but doesn't bury and change Splatbombs to Burst Bombs.

 

[SevenGameSet]

I just wanna say beating all-star mode on hard has got me losing sleep.

That is all carry on.

 

[EchoAegis]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Sakurai might take something more recent and put it in as an echo for the sake of a bit of promotion, and the Octos fall under that category pretty well.

Honestly, I forgot all about promotion really and the more I think about it Splatoon is huge in Japan so why not I guess. Never mind that last question

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Mind you, Octolings do have enough physical differences. But they could always somewhat change 'em up a tad with permission to help separate them.

I don't think that's a worry, Splatoon's got more than enough fresh styles that the Inklings don't show off yet.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I just wanna say beating all-star mode on hard has got me losing sleep.

That is all carry on.

You are aware this isn't for Smash Wii U, Smash 3DS, Brawl, or Melee, right?

This is for the latest game, which isn't out yet(though a demo is playable at select stores).

I can link you to the correct forum if you let me know which game you were playing. You can then discuss your stuff there.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I just wanna say beating all-star mode on hard has got me losing sleep.

That is all carry on.

This so much.

You are aware this isn't for Smash Wii U, Smash 3DS, Brawl, or Melee, right?

This is for the latest game, which isn't out yet(though a demo is playable at select stores).

I can link you to the correct forum if you let me know which game you were playing. You can then discuss your stuff there.

I think he meant for this game, which already has 66 characters.

That's going to be crazy.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Here's a topic, what brand new er... newcomers could also bring in an Echo?

Does Japan still think Captain K. Rool is KING K. Rool's Brother and not him in a different outfit?

 

[Shroob]

You are aware this isn't for Smash Wii U, Smash 3DS, Brawl, or Melee, right?

This is for the latest game, which isn't out yet(though a demo is playable at select stores).

I can link you to the correct forum if you let me know which game you were playing. You can then discuss your stuff there.

Pretty sure he means THIS game.

All-Star Mode is going to be massive.

 

[StormC]

Here's a topic, what brand new er... newcomers could also bring in an Echo?

Does Japan still think Captain K. Rool is KING K. Rool's Brother and not him in a different outfit?

Japan has never thought Kaptain was his brother. That text was only found in the Brawl trophy and is contradicted by Dixie's Melee trophy. The story for the GBA version of DKC2 confirms they're one and the same.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

This so much.


I think he meant for this game, which already has 66 characters.

That's going to be crazy.

Pretty sure he means THIS game.

All-Star Mode is going to be massive.

Yeah, forget the usual mode with the clone fighters, THIS will be the true 100-man battle.

 

[Arcadenik]

Here's a topic, what brand new er... newcomers could also bring in an Echo?

Does Japan still think Captain K. Rool is KING K. Rool's Brother and not him in a different outfit?

Even if they were brothers, Captain K. Rool cannot be an Echo Fighter of King K. Rool because the Captain has that cannonball gun and the King doesn't.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I think Rex & Pyra, Spring Man and Octoling are all out of the running for the base game while being top possibilities for DLC.

The Octolings could still make it into the base roster, since they are present in the first Splatoon title.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Here's a topic, what brand new er... newcomers could also bring in an Echo?

Does Japan still think Captain K. Rool is KING K. Rool's Brother and not him in a different outfit?

Besides Octolings for Inklings...

You could easily have more than one Rabbid design, though that might not work well(since they already are kind of generic enough to encompass all their moves onto one character).

Obvious plug for Brian, but notably Leodnardo has a very similar build and potentially the same spells. Key difference is he uses a Wand instead of a Staff, but that would likely not make a difference other than slight different animations, as they'd be the same attacks anyway.

Let's see...

DLC-wise, Spring Man having Ribbon Girl as an echo.

Yeah, all I can think of right now. Echoes are easy to think of, but ones for potential newcomers is harder. I'd say Meta-Ridley, but that's a costume right now, so... unless they change it last second, I guess?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Japan has never thought Kaptain was his brother. That text was only found in the Brawl trophy and is contradicted by Dixie's Melee trophy. The story for the GBA version of DKC2 confirms they're one and the same.

Good to know. Now we can have regal and pirate costumes without getting the same kinda rage that comes when dubs cut out character deaths. ^_^

Back to topic, I had an idea that if Ashley got in Lip could be an Echo of her and visa versa. That would of course depend on their movesets and how rooter they are in their series or just the idea of cute young magic user.