Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Sigran101]

I understand. I share the same opinions of Yoshi's games.

But they DO have character and identity that I attach with that Luigi and Wario's games don't. They are not "Mario spin-offs" in the way you think of them

I've been wondering, and please don't take this the wrong way, but what is with your obsession with Yoshi? It seems like he's all you care about in smash. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Will]

Palutena's Guidance has to be updated because one of the messages is already outdated, I forget which one it was. Snake's Codec has to be changed too since Colonel's JP VA died, plus Link's clawshot comment is now invalid.

EDIT: I remember, in Ike's Pit says he didn't age well when now you can choose both of the Ikes.

 

[KMDP]

Poochy just basically serves as a platform over dangerous terrain, and sniffs out buried secrets.

Though, considering how annoying as **** he is to control, I could see him just randomly running around the stage and slamming into people.

Ah, okay. Then I'd suggest that he'd be like Gogoat (with ADDITIONS).

He runs around the field, slamming into people, and you can ride him (but not necessarily control him). If you're riding him when he leaves, he sniffs out another item for you (which is auto-equipped if your hands are free, so you can use it immediately), before he goes.

 

[Zinith]

I've been wondering, and please don't take this the wrong way, but what is with your obsession with Yoshi? It seems like he's all you care about in smash. I'm genuinely curious.

You can guess that I like Yoshi, but I am more than willing to talk about him a lot less if he got the attention he deserves. But apparently people just feel indifferent about him and I want to change that

 

[Slavic]

While I've never been a huge believer that Kamek would be a playable character in Smash, I would like to throw him some pity defenses cause I feel like the poor guy's picked on so much. In terms of his character, Kamek is about as iconic in the Yoshi games as Yoshi is, even if he doesn't appear in all of them Kamek appears very frequently when he does. As for the issue of being just a Magikoopa in Japan, allegedly he was always intended to be unique, if not by name, though I don't put much water in that defense since I can't really give a source for it. Additionally, Magikoopas are a unique enemy on their own, barely showing in most games outside of important events or stages, they're about as far from being a generic enemy as generic enemies get.

As for his moveset, Kamek would be a dedicated summoner. In addition to all the Yoshi enemies mentioned before (or whatever you categorize them as), Kamek commands his Toadies, who are pretty unique to him. Combined with his broomstick and enchantments / debuffs he could provide, and Kamek would be a real fun and unique character in Smash.

The problem is that Kamek's playstyle would probably be at least glancingly similar to Ashley, who is almost assuredly more popular than Kamek. But hey, I'll never say Kamek is likely, but I would enjoy his presence and I think he's the best option for a new Yoshi rep (since I'm not hot on Baby Mario for Smash).

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Is that the standard? Then in that case, Yoshi MORE than makes up for having it's own identity based on the bosses from one game.

I think you're too close to the character of Yoshi to look at this objectively, but okay.

It's two games, but in just that one game. The portrait ghosts are more unique than a LOT of what Yoshi has been given.

Again I'm not saying Yoshi games are ****, I'm just saying they could be better and share less with Mario.

Or hell do what they did with Wario and give him another spin-off series where he actually gets a colorful supporting cast. One that Mario can't ape.

 

[Shroob]

While I've never been a huge believer that Kamek would be a playable character in Smash, I would like to throw him some pity defenses cause I feel like the poor guy's picked on so much. In terms of his character, Kamek is about as iconic in the Yoshi games as Yoshi is, even if he doesn't appear in all of them Kamek appears very frequently when he does. As for the issue of being just a Magikoopa in Japan, allegedly he was always intended to be unique, if not by name, though I don't put much water in that defense since I can't really give a source for it. Additionally, Magikoopas are a unique enemy on their own, barely showing in most games outside of important events or stages, they're about as far from being a generic enemy as generic enemies get.

As for his moveset, Kamek would be a dedicated summoner. In addition to all the Yoshi enemies mentioned before (or whatever you categorize them as), Kamek commands his Toadies, who are pretty unique to him. Combined with his broomstick and enchantments / debuffs he could provide, and Kamek would be a real fun and unique character in Smash.

The problem is that Kamek's playstyle would probably be at least glancingly similar to Ashley, who is almost assuredly more popular than Kamek. But hey, I'll never say Kamek is likely, but I would enjoy his presence and I think he's the best option for a new Yoshi rep (since I'm not hot on Baby Mario for Smash).

To be fair, we have to even have Ashley first before we can start comparing movesets, because I doubt whatever moveset we make up, will be what Sakurai goes with.

 

[Zinith]

I think you're too close to the character of Yoshi to look at this objectively, but okay.

It's two games, but in just that one game. The portrait ghosts are more unique than a LOT of what Yoshi has been given.

Again I'm not saying Yoshi games are ****, I'm just saying they could be better and share less with Mario.

Or hell do what they did with Wario and give him another spin-off series where he actually gets a colorful supporting cast. One that Mario can't ape.

It looks like there's a disconnect, because everything you said about me and Yoshi I could say about you and Luigi's Mansion.

 

[A Distant Demon]

You can guess that I like Yoshi, but I am more than willing to talk about him a lot less if he got the attention he deserves. But apparently people just feel indifferent about him and I want to change that

I don't think you're really going to be able to force peopel to change their opinions of things.

There are more than enough cases of people being pushed away because of people focusing too much on one aspect or character. I can name at least 3 different examples in 2 seconds.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You can guess that I like Yoshi, but I am more than willing to talk about him a lot less if he got the attention he deserves. But apparently people just feel indifferent about him and I want to change that

Honestly. I think you're wrong. Yoshi is one of the most famous Nintendo faces. People don't feel ''indifferent" about him.

And the problem with him in Smash isn't even his moveset or anything. He has plenty of Smash fans. It's that...well he's in a game with 64 other characters. There's a lot of people to talk about with a lot of fans. So the spotlight isn't always gonna be on him when it comes to Smash.

But it doesn't mean he's undervalued in Smash.

 

[Troykv]

I think you're too close to the character of Yoshi to look at this objectively, but okay.

It's two games, but in just that one game. The portrait ghosts are more unique than a LOT of what Yoshi has been given.

Again I'm not saying Yoshi games are ****, I'm just saying they could be better and share less with Mario.

Or hell do what they did with Wario and give him another spin-off series where he actually gets a colorful supporting cast. One that Mario can't ape.

I think Poochy was a nice addition to make the franchise more unique

 

[KMDP]

Or hell do what they did with Wario and give him another spin-off series where he actually gets a colorful supporting cast. One that Mario can't ape.

Mario is a dirty thief, but only when it suits him.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Yoshi's franchise needs a character that's original that takes off in popularity. Right now it doesn't have that, leaving me feeling meh about the franchise. It doesn't feel as cool as other franchises that branched off from the main Mario titles like Luigi's Mansion or WarioWare, and it certainly doesn't have any of the colorful cast of characters like WarioWare does.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I think Poochy was a nice addition to make the franchise more unique

He was. I'll agree there.

Also Zinith I'm not THAT obsessed with Luigi or Luigi's Mansion. Lol. Please stop. That's going down a certain Daisy fan's lane and I know you are better than that.

 

[Zinith]

I don't think you're really going to be able to force peopel to change their opinions of things.

There are more than enough cases of people being pushed away because of people focusing too much on one aspect or character. I can name at least 3 different examples in 2 seconds.

I'm not trying to harass people or trying to impose opinions on anyone.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

As for the issue of being just a Magikoopa in Japan, allegedly he was always intended to be unique, if not by name, though I don't put much water in that defense since I can't really give a source for it.

Actually, Mario Superstar Baseball has just the info we need:

"A resident magician of the Koopa clan. The best of the Magikoopas, Kamek, once attempted to abduct the baby Mario Brothers, but Yoshi and Baby Mario thwarted his sinister plans. The magical powers of the Magikoopa also comes in handy in the game of baseball."

for clarification all releases of the game share the same biographies.

While Kamek is only distinctive by name in the West, Kamek as a character, being the strongest of the Magikoopas, the main antagonist of the Yoshi games, and Bowser's caretaker, exists even in Japan.

 

[Shroob]

Is hewhoshallnotbenamed that much of a taboo?

Is he Smashboard's Voldemort?

 

[Slavic]

y'all can't just ignore my boy, however.

Put 'im in, Sakurai

 

[Sigran101]

You can guess that I like Yoshi, but I am more than willing to talk about him a lot less if he got the attention he deserves. But apparently people just feel indifferent about him and I want to change that

I just looked up Boshi out of curiosity and he's actually awesome. Doesn't have a snowballs chance in smash but he'd actually be a cool addition imo.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm not trying to harass people or trying to impose opinions on anyone.

By trying to get everyone to like Yoshi you kind of are imposing opinions on everyone

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Is hewhoshallnotbenamed that much of a taboo?

Is he Smashboard's Voldemort?

Shhhhh. He'll hear you and we'll have to send a party out to find and destroy his horcruxes.

 

[Arcadenik]

I say BRING IN KING K. ROOL AND SCEPTILE!!!

We need more reptile reps




(eh, I guess Corrin counts)

Toad should count too.

He was a reptile in that movie.

 

[Zinith]

He was. I'll agree there.

Also Zinith I'm not THAT obsessed with Luigi or Luigi's Mansion. Lol. Please stop. That's going down a certain Daisy fan's lane and I know you are better than that.

I wasn't trying to suggest you were obsessed with Luigi's Mansion, only that the fact that you consider the portrait ghosts more interesting than the major enemies of Yoshi could be coming from the same position I'm from but vice versa

 

[Slavic]

Actually, Mario Superstar Baseball has just the info we need:

for clarification all releases of the game share the same biographies.

While Kamek is only distinctive by name in the West, Kamek as a character, being the strongest of the Magikoopas, the main antagonist of the Yoshi games, and Bowser's caretaker, exists even in Japan.

I thought there was something like this, but I didn't really know except in passing

 

[A Distant Demon]

Is hewhoshallnotbenamed that much of a taboo?

Is he Smashboard's Voldemort?

Well we're banned from talking about them. . .for some reason. So yeah basically.

trying to impose opinions on anyone.

I mean. . .trying to make people not be indifferent on something is sort of doing just that. . .

 

[Opossum]

Normally I'm not the biggest fan of the idea of generic enemies getting into Smash, but I'd totally take a playable Shy Guy. They're the best.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Bandit did originate in a Yoshi game, yeah. Same with Kamek(the specific one). Being a Mario-series spin-off that stays tied to the Mario series heavily, the characters started to make appearances in various Mario games, mostly other kinds of spin-offs. Simple as that.

The issue for Sakurai when it comes to Trophies is that he has to deal with stuff like this. Which trophy is it? It is specifically a model from a Yoshi or Mario game? Does he still list the Yoshi title first? But wait, only characters have "two series they're from". It's basically just mainly a pain in the butt at times to simply label stuff. Or he can just list the appearance the specific trophy is from or the first official game appearance. Much more simple than worrying about "exact series".

 

[Shroob]

........Have we seen Sandbag?

Even though Sandbag's not a playable character(......yet), I remember there being a big Sandbag at E3.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

You can guess that I like Yoshi, but I am more than willing to talk about him a lot less if he got the attention he deserves. But apparently people just feel indifferent about him and I want to change that

Does changing indifference to annoyance count?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

........Have we seen Sandbag?

Even though Sandbag's not a playable character(......yet), I remember there being a big Sandbag at E3.

Sandbag would be the absolute best WTF character.

SSF2 did a great job implementing him as a character, so I'm sure Sakurai and his team could do it. If Ultimate is meant to be a love letter to the series, Sandbag would be perfect for that.

 

[KMDP]

........Have we seen Sandbag?

Even though Sandbag's not a playable character(......yet), I remember there being a big Sandbag at E3.

Sakurai wants to keep Sandbag close to his chest, since he's actually the Final Boss of the new Adventure Mode.

It's a secret to everybody.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Leaping ahead from page 1792, I have to say that it's interesting to get confirmation about when the game's development likely began. Makes the scope of speculation and potential fighters left to reveal much more interesting. I did think that it most likely would have begun soon after the development of Smash 4's DLC, so I'm okay if some content from beyond 2015 Nintendo doesn't make it in. So if Elma gets in over Rex and Pyra, I'm perfectly fine with that since Elma's got plenty of cool stuff to bring with her like her double guns and Skell mech.

 

[MainJPW]

........Have we seen Sandbag?

Even though Sandbag's not a playable character(......yet), I remember there being a big Sandbag at E3.

This wouldn't be the Ultimate Smash if it didn't have a playable Sandbag.

 

[DJDave189]

Is it possible that we might get one new fighter and one echo fighter revealed once a month until December? We got both Ridley and Daisy revealed this month, so do you think there is a possible chance that we might get another new fighter and echo fighter revealed next month?

 

[Zippo]

Regarding newcomer reveals:

Unless they're ending general Directs with them, I'm hoping they do what they did with the Robin/Lucina reveal and just do a social media post on Twitter saying "Check Back on Thursday for a Brand New Smash Bros. Fighter!", or something like that. A little 3 minute video is all that's needed.

That was brilliant marketing.

 

[KMDP]

In all seriousness, I could see Sandbag working sort of like the Koma Panel characters in Jump Super Stars/Jump Ultimate Stars (I can't remember which one specifically, or if they appeared in both).

Which was a lot of squashing and stretching, with stuff like fists suddenly coming out of them. They were weird.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Is it possible that we might get one new fighter and one echo fighter revealed once a month until December? We got both Ridley and Daisy revealed this month, so do you think there is a possible chance that we might get another new fighter and echo fighter revealed next month?

I would not expect that much. I also dont think they would be in pairs TBH.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Well we're banned from talking about them. . .for some reason. So yeah basically.


I mean. . .trying to make people not be indifferent on something is sort of doing just that. . .

Part of me is morbidly curious to see who you lot are talking about.
Unless there's some way to P.M. on this site, though, I'm sticking my nose somewhere else, it's probably not worth the risk.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Part of me is morbidly curious to see who you lot are talking about.
Unless there's some way to P.M. on this site, though, I'm sticking my nose somewhere else, it's probably not worth the risk.

PMs do exist. Give me like 3 seconds.
(Only making this post so we dont have 30 people PMing one person)

 

[vaanrose]

People worry about which series characters are from way, way more than Sakurai does. Neither Yoshi nor Wario are placed on the CSS where they would actually go if they were considered strictly as reps of one sub-series.