Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zeox]

Before Ridley was revealed, I had an idea for a story mode where Bowser, Bowser Jr, King K. Rool, Ganondorf, Ridley, and Andross team up and serve as the main antagonists for at least most of the story, with Duck Hunt serving as their enforcer.
Never brought it up because no one would take me seriously

Andross is already an assist trophy... but if you replace him with Porky from Earthbound and Mother 3 you have it.
Also, Bowser Jr. is 8 villains in one, him and the koopalings.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gonna say this, I VASTLY prefer Hades but if they somehow make Medusa work? I'm not complaining. Though they can add Bubsy, Kirito, Faye, Banjo and more characters I really do not want to look at in Smash and I'd be ok with it as the 65 characters we already have are great and what I wanted for the most part

 

[Crap-Zapper]

I never understood the love for Viridi either. I think she was an awesome Mii costume, but that's the extend of love I got for her.
Medusa on the other hand? Oh she is a hotty, a true badass that would compliment the current roster with pure excellence.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Yeah, but shield special would mean it doesn't work in the air. As it is, actively transforming is a ton more useful than the alternative.

I certainly agree that swapping is the more effective playstyle if you can learn to play all 3 of the Pokemon. Also, when I say shield+special to change, I really just mean the button for shield. I don't mean you have to be able to put your shield up. So the input is, specifically, L/R+B, which you can still do in the air.

The character is very clearly designed to have all 3 used in tandem. However I mainly disagree with the idea of the forced switch between stocks. Perhaps Squirtle is still best for the situation, I don't think you should have to waste all your invincibility from the respawn platform switching back around to him. As I said in a previous post, it feels like an unnecessary homage to being forced to switch when a Pokemon faints in a Pokemon game, and I think it just makes the character naturally worse. I'll switch when the time is right

I wish they created an input to switch so they could open up 4 specials for each Pokemon, but that's hardly my issue with the character.

It's crazy that answering the question about the input turned into all this

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Medusa makes sense to me since, like Pit and Palutena, she’s one of the mainstays of the series...

...but I also like Hades more.

That's part of the reason I think hades should be part of a stage instead, that way his personality can shine through, like what viridi was in reset bomb but even more involved.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Alpharad made another Smash Ultimate video. It's pretty good.

Spoiler: Rated T for Teen

 

[Deleted member]

He still uses Splattershot, but unlike other copy abilities, using up all the ink immediately discards the copy ability.

Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Of course. If Nintendo would want to generate more hype, he is perhaps the best choice for a 3rd Party.
Ray man people would see coming, and Simon Belmont has been rumoured already, so, no shock.

Crash on the other hand does have a lot going, being the last true rival of Mario not being in Smash.
I talk about 90's Mario vs Sonic vs Crash.

Crash is a Sony character is the worst argument I hear people use. He is not owned by Sony. He has 6 Nintendo exclusive games, so he holds great history with Nintendo. Bomberman is out of the running for a spot. So, Crash is very likely, but NOT a shoe-inn at all. We just got to wait and see, but he does hold importance, current relevance, and if not base roster, almost guaranteed DLC.

Crash would represent Activision, correct? I believe they have the rights to both him and Spyro now.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

It's not a buff but rather if you're covered in ink you take extra damage from anything or anyone.
I counted all the characters I want to try and it's 23

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

The list I currently have for characters I want to test out are

1. Inkling (My Futaba cannon is ready)
2. Pichu
3. Palutena
4. Ridley
5. Shulk
6. Zelda
7. Pokemon Trainer

 

[?????????????]

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

I’m pretty loyal to Mac.

...But IF Spring Man or Duster happen, that could change.

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

Alpharad made another Smash Ultimate video. It's pretty good.

Spoiler: Rated T for Teen

Wow. That is godlike, RelaxAlax levels of editing right there.

Spat my drink out at the "screams in incel" bit for ZSS

 

[osby]

Gonna say this, I VASTLY prefer Hades but if they somehow make Medusa work? I'm not complaining. Though they can add Bubsy, Kirito, Faye, Banjo and more characters I really do not want to look at in Smash and I'd be ok with it as the 65 characters we already have are great and what I wanted for the most part

I get you. I used to hate the idea of Ridley and Daisy in Smash but now I'm just happy for their fans since everyone is in. And it's not like I'm not fond of a few controversial characters myself.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

I will probably go back to Pokemon Trainer and Zelda since they look better than ever now.

 

[Yonder]

No, but I'm pretty sure I know what post you're talking about. It was what made me think "hey, Duck Hunt working with the villains could actually make a lot of sense!"
He was even in that creepy australlian NES commercial with Bowser, Lakitu and a few other villains from that era.

It's funny cause in my fanfic draft that never happened, the "Duck" part of Duck Hunt was a mafia boss. The dog was a simple ignorant pawn.

Duck hunt emanates evil.

 

[Deleted member]

While she's not as important in uprising she's still the main villain of the series, can't forget the original kid icarus

I'd rather pick characters I like over who is more important. I design my personal rosters around this mindset.
I don't even value being a villain as the sole reason to include a character in the first place, so even Hades isn't much of a priority for me.

Medusa makes sense to me since, like Pit and Palutena, she’s one of the mainstays of the series...

...but I also like Hades more.

I expirienced the same conflict prior to embracing the mindset I mentioned above.

Medusa is much better than Hades, in my honest opinion.
1. She is more recurring than Hades. 2. She would fill the first female villain (excluding Wendy Koopa for obvious reasons).
3. Not only important to Pit, but for Palutena as well. 4. Outside of his personality, what really makes him better than Medusa? (Really curious.)

It's okay, you can have your opinions, even if they're wrong.
1. I don't value that as a reason to put her over Hades.
2. I don't value that reason either.
3. Same with this one.
4. Is that reason not enough?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh @Mr. Wario the ink also slows down people if it's on the floor. Meaning it'a a pretty good ability for Kirby to have

 

[Pakky]

Random thoughts that have piled up in my mind

- Where is Nabbit?

- Are Captain Toad and Toadette considered to be their own characters like Yoshi?

- Where is Flying Man?

- Where is Duster?

- I like that we are now acknowledging clones are clones and are not a part of the official count "free dessert" making them more interesting. Hopefully everyone is like Daisy and is a meaningful remix.

-Take are a hard look at the Mii Costumes based on preexisting characters If they have not been disconfirmed as an Assist Trophy they are viable.

- Impa would be great and so would Skull Kid or Tingle or all of them, design and appearance don't really matter when it comes to Zelda, has been given moves and changed over and over, and she has her own final smash now.

- Where is Skull Kid?

-Where is Tingle?

-BWD should be a character through a villain for the series is unclear unless we just say and call it a day.

- New smash is the best thing he's gotten also the cross up with Gordo is amazing

- Rex& Pyra and Elma should both be in.

- Pikmin has a lot of characters I just noticed... like any captain or the plasma wraith are viable.

 

[osby]

Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

Zelda, Palutena and Robin, they look easier to use this time. Also Pokémon Trainer, mainly for Ivysaur.

 

[Deleted member]

I will probably go back to Pokemon Trainer and Zelda since they look better than ever now.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Pokemon Trainer! I played a decent amount of Squirtle back in the Brawl days, so he's probably gonna be one of the first handful of characters I try.

If I main any Pokemon though, I'm determined to make it Pichu no matter what. Just because.

EDIT: Zelda looks super cool too. Don't know if I'll play her all that much, but I'll give her a shot.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

I certainly agree that swapping is the more effective playstyle if you can learn to play all 3 of the Pokemon. Also, when I say shield+special to change, I really just mean the button for shield. I don't mean you have to be able to put your shield up. So the input is, specifically, L/R+B, which you can still do in the air.

The character is very clearly designed to have all 3 used in tandem. However I mainly disagree with the idea of the forced switch between stocks. Perhaps Squirtle is still best for the situation, I don't think you should have to waste all your invincibility from the respawn platform switching back around to him. As I said in a previous post, it feels like an unnecessary homage to being forced to switch when a Pokemon faints in a Pokemon game, and I think it just makes the character naturally worse. I'll switch when the time is right

I wish they created an input to switch so they could open up 4 specials for each Pokemon, but that's hardly my issue with the character.

It's crazy that answering the question about the input turned into all this

It's already been covered on this thread a few times that you can switch Pokemon on the platform without dropping and starting the invincibility timer, so you can switch back to your original character or switch to the third one if that one's more appropriate.

 

[Yonder]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Pokemon Trainer! I played a decent amount of Squirtle back in the Brawl days, so he's probably gonna be one of the first handful of characters I try.

If I main any Pokemon though, I'm determined to make it Pichu no matter what. Just because.

EDIT: Zelda looks super cool too. Don't know if I'll play her all that much, but I'll give her a shot.

I wonder how quick aerial change in general is. That could lead into some nifty combos with all three Pokemon which would truly be amazing to see.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

It's already been covered on this thread a few times that you can switch Pokemon on the platform without dropping and starting the invincibility timer, so you can switch back to your original character or switch to the third one if that one's more appropriate.

Not that I don't believe you, but can you show me where you saw/heard that? I know I've been told, but even after watching an awful lot of Treehouse and gameplay, I'm yet to see or hear it from Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member]

Andross is already an assist trophy... but if you replace him with Porky from Earthbound and Mother 3 you have it.
Also, Bowser Jr. is 8 villains in one, him and the koopalings.

I know he's an Assist Trophy, it was more of a vision AKA part of "Lampy's ideal Smash game that will never ever happen in a million years".
I imagine the Koopalings would be henchmen, with Bowser Jr. being their leader.

It's funny cause in my fanfic draft that never happened, the "Duck" part of Duck Hunt was a mafia boss. The dog was a simple ignorant pawn.

Duck hunt emanates evil.

That mental image is incredible, thank you.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

Not that I don't believe you, but can you show me where you saw/heard that? I know I've been told, but even after watching an awful lot of Treehouse and gameplay, I'm yet to see or hear it from Nintendo.

I think it was in the Invitational.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

I'm actually gonna use the new Wario since he now has his shoulder dash.

Anyways I'm probably sticking with my main Dedede. Plus I finally get to use Pichu again.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh @Mr. Wario the ink also slows down people if it's on the floor. Meaning it'a a pretty good ability for Kirby to have

Thanks for the info! There was so much shown off and discussed at this E3; it's hard to keep track of it all!

-Take are a hard look at the Mii Costumes based on preexisting characters If they have not been disconfirmed as an Assist Trophy they are viable.

I'm half expecting Isabelle as an Echo of Villager. It makes a lot of sense and I imagine it wouldn't be too time consuming due to her and Villager having pretty similar proportions. I'm no expert though, so maybe it wouldn't be that simple. I'm kind of hoping for it, though; Isabelle is a cutie and I would love to play as her. :3

 

[Peridorito]

- Where is Duster?

I think he's going to be an Assist Trophy.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think it was in the Invitational.

I believe the only match Pokemon Trainer was in during the Invitational was Zero vs Armada, which I just went and checked. Looks like you fall off the platform to switch, but I think I'm also overestimating how long switching actually takes. Prolly Brawl PTSD or something.

EDIT: Here's a clip of it. Its already starting at the right spot.

 

[osby]

Thanks for the info! There was so much shown off and discussed at this E3; it's hard to keep track of it all!



I'm half expecting Isabelle as an Echo of Villager. It makes a lot of sense and I imagine it wouldn't be too time consuming due to her and Villager having pretty similar proportions. I'm no expert though, so maybe it wouldn't be that simple. I'm kind of hoping for it, though; Isabelle is a cutie and I would love to play as her. :3

If it happens, we'll have an axe-swinging Isabelle on our hands.

 

[?????????????]

I think he's going to be an Assist Trophy.

I hope so; I want to see him in action, like Jeff.

If he was PLAYABLE, that’d be a dream come true for me. But I’d be shocked.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

There is so much fan service added to this game it's crazy... and yet DK's and Bowser's voices are still the realistic animal sounds.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If it happens, we'll have an axe-swinging Isabelle on our hands.

Oh boy, hearing that just makes me want Isabelle to keep her Assist Trophy status even more.

 

[Yonder]

There is so much fan service added to this game it's crazy... and yet DK's and Bowser's voices are still the realistic animal sounds.

I agree. Those voice mods for Bowser make him seem so much better.

 

[osby]

There is so much fan service added to this game it's crazy... and yet DK's and Bowser's voices are still the realistic animal sounds.

Can't it be because they couldn't arrange their voice actors for the job?

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Can't it be because they couldn't arrange their voice actors for the job?

Couldn't they just reuse voice clips if that was the case

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If it happens, we'll have an axe-swinging Isabelle on our hands.

Never thought about this...now I really hope she's not an echo, I don't think they'd do that to her anyway...at least I hope not

People are really getting out of hand with these echo choices and requesting stuff that simply won't work

 

[Deleted member]

I'm actually gonna use the new Wario since he now has his shoulder dash.

Anyways I'm probably sticking with my main Dedede. Plus I finally get to use Pichu again.

Oh, I'll definitely still play the new Wario, I'm just indecisive about whether or not I'll use him as much as I did the last three games. The shoulder bash makes me insanely happy, though. Simply acknowledging that Wario Land exists is enough for me.

And I'm with you on Pichu. Probably my favorite Melee veteran next to Doctor Mario.

 

[Ze Diglett]

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.

Hoo, boy... well, I'm definitely still mainingunless a certain weaponized puppet gets in this time. Those hit effects are just so cool... As for characters I didn't play a lot last game, I'm eager to try out all the guys who weren't in Smash 4 (Inkling and Pokemon Trainer in particular have exciting potential to me), and I also may try out any ofanddepending on how they're changed in Smush.

 

[osby]

Couldn't they just reuse voice clips if that was the case

They can't, if they don't have permission. Real games can't pirate voice clips like mods.