Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Out of boredom, I decided to set up an artwork collage, involving all the Mario universe characters; this includes Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario. Basically, the whole (confirmed) Super Mario gang is here.

 

[Deleted member]

Isaac, Saki, and Ray also are notable omissions.

Ray? As in Ray from Custom Robo?

...I don't wanna get my hopes up, but dang Custom Robo representation would make me so happy. I miss that series so much. D:

 

[Will]

Doesn't really work, a defining trait of echos are shared stats. so he can't be heavier.

Clones Echoes aren't 100% full copies, they just share the same attacks. It doesn't mean the properties of them can't be different, such as Lucina's non-tipper or Dark Pit being more damage-oriented.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

So, to open a random can of worms, Dr Luigi as an echo fighter? he'd follow the same basic principle as Dr Mario, He'd simply be a heavyweight Luigi, which fits the bill for an echo fighter perfectly, basically an alt, but his moves have different properties

Echo fighters have to have the same stats, he can't be a heavyweight, bill trinen stated that and given that that's true for lucy and dark pit it seemingly applies to all of them

 

[N3ON]

Out of boredom, I decided to set up an artwork collage, involving all the Mario universe characters; this includes Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario. Basically, the whole (confirmed) Super Mario gang is here.

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while waluigi weeps

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Out of boredom, I decided to set up an artwork collage, involving all the Mario universe characters; this includes Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario. Basically, the whole (confirmed) Super Mario gang is here.

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This looks cool! You should do one for the pokemon and zelda characters too

 

[Sharkarat]

Clones Echoes aren't 100% full copies, they just share the same attacks. It doesn't mean the properties of them can't be different, such as Lucina's non-tipper or Dark Pit being more damage-oriented.

Bill Trinen when asked said the shared stats (weight, speed etc.) are a defing part.
and wouldn't actually surprise me if Specials are allowed to have custom moves level of modification one them (shared animation but different effect.)

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Bill Trinen when asked said the shared stats (weight, speed etc.) are a defing part.
and wouldn't actually surprise me if Specials are allowed to have custom moves level of modification one them (shared animation but different effect.)

Given how lucina keeps her lack of a tipper and dark pit his arrows and electroshock arm, different attack properties are allowed but the attack animations must be the same (charging animations can be changed tho, lucina keeps her different neutral special charging animation). Different final smashes are allowed too.

 

[Will]

Bill Trinen when asked said the shared stats (weight, speed etc.) are a defing part.
and wouldn't actually surprise me if Specials are allowed to have custom moves level of modification one them (shared animation but different effect.)

I know that, but there's still some unique trait to them. An idea I've had for echoes is Blood Falcon, since the chance of getting Black Shadow or really anything that reps F-Zero in Smash is .00000000001%. Just make him the edgy Dark Pit of Falcon and boom, you got yourself the main of emo kids.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Bill Trinen when asked said the shared stats (weight, speed etc.) are a defing part.
and wouldn't actually surprise me if Specials are allowed to have custom moves level of modification one them (shared animation but different effect.)

Hm. I still think he has potential. He'd be a Dr Mario/Mario/Luigi Clone/Semi-clone, and that alone would make him appealing even as a clone. also, He, like Dr Mario, has some potential for de-cloning

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Hm. I still think he has potential. He'd be a Dr Mario/Mario/Luigi Clone/Semi-clone, and that alone would make him appealing even as a clone. also, He, like Dr Mario, has some potential for de-cloning

Yeah we really don't need that, if mario gets another echo it should be dry bowser honestly

 

[Deleted member]

while waluigi weeps

Spoiler: Relevant

I think I'm over some of my hang-ups with Daisy now, at least. I'm happy for others who are happy for her. She's a cool character and I'm sure I'll enjoy playing as her.

...I still want Waluigi though.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Was there ever a good collection of impressions/information from people who actually played? I've found bits and pieces of good info looking over the internet and one really good article about general mechanics (https://cstarleague.com/smash/news_articles/895) and a few people who had a lot to say about just one or two characters but no good source to just learn what was up with everyone in the demo.

 

[Chandeelure]

In this video, you can see the Bayo 1 costume artwork.

 

[Arcadenik]

Out of boredom, I decided to set up an artwork collage, involving all the Mario universe characters; this includes Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario. Basically, the whole (confirmed) Super Mario gang is here.

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While poor Toad is feeling left out once again.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

So, if every fighter is in Smash Ultimate, will we see the return of all of the bosses from previous Smash games; if we have boss rush return or are going to be in Adventure Mode; It'll be interesting.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Yeah we really don't need that, if Mario gets another echo it should be dry bowser honestly

Sure, not necessary, but if we get everyone else in, he'd be a nice addition. and like I said, he has de-cloning potential

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Or, y'know, they could've just removed her completely for no reason.
It's possible.

I don't think so the whole point of that alt was to somewhat experience being Dark Samus strange to remove it all together

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

While poor Toad is feeling left out once again.

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And Waluigi. Being spin-off only sure hurts for our infamous man in purple.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

In this video, you can see the Bayo 1 costume artwork.

Also knuckles assist trophy in action, it's pretty weird how he has the homing attack tbh, he's only ever had that in like sonic rivals. Also it's weird but cool how some assists can air dodge and double jump now. Makes them feel more like actually characters helping out

 

[Zeox]

This is the first smash bros that will be made without the help of Iwata...

 

[Crap-Zapper]

So, if every fighter is in Smash Ultimate, will we see the return of all of the bosses from previous Smash games; if we have boss rush return or are going to be in Adventure Mode; It'll be interesting.

Hope not honestly. Ridley playable, Ridley the stage hazard, and Ridley the Boss x2.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think so the whole point of that alt was to somewhat experience being Dark Samus strange to remove it all together

...yeah, I don't that was the point of that alt.
It was a reference, nothing more.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So, if every fighter is in Smash Ultimate, will we see the return of all of the bosses from previous Smash games; if we have boss rush return or are going to be in Adventure Mode; It'll be interesting.

Probably not all of the Smash Bros. originals. Master Hand, Crazy Hand, and Master Core might be back, but I can't say the same thing for Galleom, Duon, and Tabuu.

 

[Arcadenik]

And Waluigi. Being spin-off only sure hurts for our infamous man in purple.

Sure sucks that Toad and Waluigi are the last ones.

 

[MBRedboy31]

And Waluigi. Being spin-off only sure hurts for our infamous man in purple.

Random thing that doesn’t really matter, but, how come nobody here ever mentions the Waluigi costume in Odyssey?

It, along with the Luigi and Wario costumes, is one of the most minimal effort costumes in the entire game as it’s just a texture swap of Mario’s default outfit, but it’s still an acknowledgement.

 

[P.Kat]

Is it just me, or does it feel like the "Mega" evolution thing is getting more tuned down by the Pokémon Company/GameFreak at this point?

At least Mewtwo still uses his mega version.

Yeah they did it on purpose so more people would use Z-Moves in Pokémon Sun and Moon instead. They even went as far as to subtly guilt trip people into not using Mega Evolution by making Pokédex entry that describe the dark and horrible side effects of Mega Evolution.

Also it looks like the Smash website will only post new info only from Mondays to Fridays like they did for Smash 4.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

In this video, you can see the Bayo 1 costume artwork.

God I love the official art Bayonetta's her flirty self again and everyone is so much more expressive and everything's more dynamic I LOVE it

And Waluigi. Being spin-off only sure hurts for our infamous man in purple.

I mean, Daisy got in and she's even less important as she doesn't even seem to get referenced in Odyssey. Waluigi's problem is that he's in limbo between unique and dull I guess, he's too lanky to be a clone of a character but he doesn't have enough Interesting Things™ for Sakurai to prioritize or push

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Random thing that doesn’t really matter, but, how come nobody here ever mentions the Waluigi costume in Odyssey?

It, along with the Luigi and Wario costumes, is one of the most minimal effort costumes in the entire game as it’s just a texture swap of Mario’s default outfit, but it’s still an acknowledgement.

Exactly

Also, can we Acknowledge there are (almost) no anti-character arguments, like, at all? Sakurai does what he wants, and as a human being, changes his opinions and views whenever he feels like it and isn't inclined to tell you he did so

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Also knuckles assist trophy in action, it's pretty weird how he has the homing attack tbh, he's only ever had that in like sonic rivals. Also it's weird but cool how some assists can air dodge and double jump now. Makes them feel more like actually characters helping out

Knuckles was also able to perform a Homing Attack in Sonic Heroes if Sonic was in lead.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Hope not honestly. Ridley playable, Ridley the stage hazard, and Ridley the Boss x2.

Each Ridley is different. Stage Hazard Ridley is a clone, & a Ridley boss could be something like Giga Bowser; only its Giga Ridley. Could be interesting.

 

[N3ON]

In this video, you can see the Bayo 1 costume artwork.

Ugh I like the Bayo 1 design so much more

 

[MBRedboy31]

Knuckles was also able to perform a Homing Attack in Sonic Heroes if Sonic was in lead.

Couldn’t he also Homing Attack in Sonic Dash as well, IIRC?

 

[Sharkarat]

You should not want a clone for their Decloning potential. decloning barely happen, like this is Ganondorf 4th smash and he still has 3 specials taken from falcon.
Like I Want Dark Samus as a clone/echo, but that's because I know she won't get in otherwise.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Couldn’t he also Homing Attack in Sonic Dash as well, IIRC?

By that logic, Every possible sonic newcomer/assist trophy would be able to spin dash

 

[papagenos]

For those on dark Samus and all alt might have not ben shown since Ridley doesn't have meta Ridley alternate

https://mobile.twitter.com/Shinesparkers/status/1007353251988148224

Incorrect all the alts are right here as you can see we have a black alt but the lights and vizor are yellow instead phazon blue and dark Samus has too many different attributes than Samus to be a 16 alts thing

Until assist trophy spotting dark Samus is looking more than good for echo fighter status

i have a theory about why dark samus isnt an alt for samus anymore:

essentially they cut that costume color because assist trophies can now be K.O.'d and it could get confusing between samus and dark samus.

its possible dark samus is an echo fighter but i feel like since echo fighters are really all bout having the same moves but a different personality it would be REALLY tough to make dark samus act different from samus, similarly Alph is NOT an echo fighter for olimar and is still just an alt costume because you can't really GIVE alph any more personality than he's getting from just being a skin. to make him different you'd have to add rock pikmin and then he isnt an echo hes a full semi-clone and thats probably more effort and time on alph than sakurai thinks is needed. i feel dark samus would be the same way, you cant give more personality to dark samus so youd have to give her separate moves to differentiate and then you're taking more time than just an echo.

I'm pretty confident dark samus is just an unrevealed assist (we are getting over 50 and have seen i think right around 30) and samus had the costume cut because K.O.ing assists could confuse players during a match if they looked to similar to a fighter.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yeah they did it on purpose so more people would use Z-Moves in Pokémon Sun and Moon instead. They even went as far as to subtly guilt trip people into not using Mega Evolution by making Pokédex entry that describe the dark and horrible side effects of Mega Evolution.

Some entries might not sound so bad at first, but when read more closely, they may make you think otherwise. Mega Scizor overheating and melting definitely doesn't sound too good.

 

[MBRedboy31]

By that logic, Every possible sonic newcomer/assist trophy would be able to spin dash

Not every possible Sonic newcomer / AT is playable in Sonic Dash, though (like, say, Eggman.)
And besides, in most 2D Sonic games, pretty much every playable character can Spin Dash, anyway.

I still think Knuckles homing attacking as opposed to, say, gliding back and forth, is weird, but... yeah, Sonic games can be really inconsistent with characters’ abilities.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Not every possible Sonic newcomer / AT is playable in Sonic Dash, though (like, say, Eggman.)
And besides, in most 2D Sonic games, pretty much every playable character can Spin Dash, anyway.

I still think Knuckles homing attacking as opposed to, say, gliding back and forth, is weird, but... yeah, Sonic games can be really inconsistent with characters’ abilities.

Eh, I stand by my sarcasm

 

[Capybara Gaming]

In this video, you can see the Bayo 1 costume artwork.

It bugs me a little that on the site the Bayonetta series logo is specifically Bayonetta 2's logo.