Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DarkFalcon]

Dark Samus's theme needs to be in too, but if I had to pick ONE Prime track, it'd be Rundas's theme from Prime 3.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The Colonel's Japanese voice actor died a few years ago, and I think Kojima said he was going to retire his character out of respect of the voice actor. Kojima doesn't have any say over metal gear anymore, but I don't think Konami will stoop that low.

I guess we could have someone else be in the codec calls besides Colonel, maybe Raiden?

You don't think Konami will try and get a new VA for a character, something that happens all the time in the industry, because they won't "Stoop that low" despite literally everything Konami's been doing the last few years?

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

Mario universe already has enough characters. Having a DK rep is the only exception I would make even though I don't want anymore characters from the Mario Universe. I honestly feel like Fire Emblem should further expand their representatives into 8 characters with one being Chrom and a New FE character who are both unique. Totally not bias here and add Hector while you at it............

Yes, I group all characters that has consistently appeared in Mario games.

 

[Pakky]

Mario universe already has enough characters. Having a DK rep is the only exception I would make even though I don't want anymore characters from the Mario Universe. I honestly feel like Fire Emblem should further expand their representatives into 8 characters with one being Chrom and a New FE character who are both unique. Totally not bias here and add Hector while you at it............

Yes, I group all characters that has consistently appeared in Mario games.

Isn't Mario a DK character then? I mean I get what you mean but DK and Mario are two different things.

 

[AlphaSSB]

With being back in Smash Ultimate, there's no way this track won't come back.

Fun fact, the person who did the vocals for that piece was Jay Ward. Jay Ward was also Wolf's voice actor in Brawl.

 

[Will]

Will we see a Codec call that's interrupted by Palutena's guidance that's interrupted by Star Fox that's interrupted by Reggie?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Fully expecting K. Rool in Ultimate at this point.

If I recall, Sakurai himself in the Treehouse stated than demand, especially from Western audiences, is what eventually influenced Ridley as a playable character.

Who else has a fanbase that's about as vocal as Ridley for a character yet to be in Ultimate? The leader of the Kremlins, of course.

Do I want K. Rool in Smash? Well, having played DKC games in my childhood, I'd definitely get nostalgia hype from seeing him, but I've enjoyed playing Smash without him in it before and Ultimate will certainly be no exception, so not having him wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I would totally buy all the costumes if Sakurai made DLC for them; especially Dark Peach. Sakurai plssss

Edit: Is K.K Rool even popular in Japan?

 

[Iridium]

With the amount of people fully expecting a new character, I am fascinated at the amount of people who also speculate #66 might just be the random button. Not sure what to think of that, but eh.

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

So, if every fighter is in Smash Ultimate, will we see the return of all of the bosses from previous Smash games; if we have boss rush return or are going to be in Adventure Mode; It'll be interesting.

If we dont see a boss rush i wouldnt be suprised to see tgem implemented as stage bosses like Metal Face, Yellow Devil, and Other M Ridley. Porky at New Pork City would be pretty cool (Even though it would be a bit much with the Chimera) and Petey Piranha at Delfino would be interesting.

 

[splat]

Mario universe already has enough characters. Having a DK rep is the only exception I would make even though I don't want anymore characters from the Mario Universe. I honestly feel like Fire Emblem should further expand their representatives into 8 characters with one being Chrom and a New FE character who are both unique. Totally not bias here and add Hector while you at it............

Yes, I group all characters that has consistently appeared in Mario games.

Fortunately, King K. Rook has only appeared in a Mario game once (Sluggers), and Dixie three times (Baseball, Hoops and Sluggers). Not really consistenly appearing characters, so they’re fine, right?

 

[Will]

Fully expecting K. Rool in Ultimate at this point.

If I recall, Sakurai himself in the Treehouse stated than demand, especially from Western audiences, is what eventually influenced Ridley as a playable character.

Who else has a fanbase that's about as vocal as Ridley for a character yet to be in Ultimate? The leader of the Kremlins, of course.

Do I want K. Rool in Smash? Well, having played DKC games in my childhood, I'd definitely get nostalgia hype from seeing him, but I've enjoyed playing Smash without him in it before and Ultimate will certainly be no exception, so not having him wouldn't be the end of the world.

You know that's also how Little Mac got in too, right? I wouldn't be full set on that belief.

 

[Pakky]

Dumb question when you choose between K.Rool's costumes will his name change and will the announcer call him something different?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

With the amount of people fully expecting a new character, I am fascinated at the amount of people who also speculate #66 might just be the random button. Not sure what to think of that, but eh.

That's a stupid assumption, imo.

If the next one was just a random button, why isn't it just there right now?

 

[Ivander]

With the amount of people fully expecting a new character, I am fascinated at the amount of people who also speculate #66 might just be the random button. Not sure what to think of that, but eh.

#66 is Mokujin confirmed.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Fully expecting K. Rool in Ultimate at this point.

If I recall, Sakurai himself in the Treehouse stated than demand, especially from Western audiences, is what eventually influenced Ridley as a playable character.

Who else has a fanbase that's about as vocal as Ridley for a character yet to be in Ultimate? The leader of the Kremlins, of course.

Do I want K. Rool in Smash? Well, having played DKC games in my childhood, I'd definitely get nostalgia hype from seeing him, but I've enjoyed playing Smash without him in it before and Ultimate will certainly be no exception, so not having him wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'm also confident in K. Rool. I'll just quote myself from the K. Rool thread, of something I've analysed less than an hour ago.

Spoiler: In favor of K. Rool

They had to develope him from scratch for that Mii costume, a BRAND NEW model, just for a Mii costume. Sure, it could been done easily in a week or something, I'm not a game designer, so can't be specific, but they made it from scratch. It's something. If Sakurai already knew back then that he would develope the next one for Switch, I'm sure the Ballot was an indicator, as to how the most notorious "All-Stars" are already present in the game.

- It makes sense that Bayonetta, who ranked first in Europe was elected. Her series is getting very relevant and important for Nintendo. Easy assets from the origin games to use to create.

- Corrin for advertising the new Fire Emblem, sure.

- Makes sense that Roy and Lucas from Melee and Brawl respectivly from each series got back as a DLC due to demand.


- It makes sense that Ryu became a playable character, representing fighting game in general, and for the good friendship between Nintendo and Capcom.

- It makes sense that Square Enix would want to get their most recognizable character in the door before they would even consider giving a one-shot wooden doll from a crossover from many years the chance, which bodes well that Geno is coming. As Sakurai has stated how often he has tried to get Geno, but now with Cloud, what stops Geno? It's Sakurai's own wish.

So, with all this. WHAT could Sakurai and co do for Switch, to make this appealing, and not redundent as a Port just for the Switch.
Sakurai got one console to focus on, not two. Hardware limitation which held the Wii U back is gone. Hence why Sakurai at this time focuses on bringing all the veterans back, as that is the ultimate fanservice, and the best outcome for going forward and making the Switch version more appealing, and hyped.

With all veterans back, and the DLC from Smash 4. WHAT NOW!?
Sakurai knows. First, teasing us with the most obvious newcomer, the Inklings.
We starve for a couple months, with NO INFO AT ALL. Just to gear up for the E3 presentation.

Now, what does Sakurai do? He goes straight to the point. ALL Veterans are back, we can't be afraid of anyone being on the chopping block anymore. We can't hope for our small fries as Pichu and Ivysaur to come back, because they are all in the family.

The phase of the presentation. We get our first info on Inkling. We get "Echo" fighters advertised, and given DAISY. Now, why is Daisy important? Because, she will not shadow nor rain on the last, unexpected newcomers parade. We get a simple echo in Daisy, pleasing her fans, but also giving us something new, which was easy explained, and did not steal the show, as we were hungry for Inklings, we got Inklings.

Then, after all that's happened. WHAT DOES SAKURAI DO NOW!? ... Ridley.
If Ridley was going to be in the game, this would be the perfect time to show him off. Knowing that people will be watching live, streaming, and anticipating. This is no ordinary direct, this is on E3. All eyes on Nintendo and Sakurai. Inkling and Daisy would not overshadow Ridley, and they got one of the most hyped characters to finish off their presentation, with also a release date.

What does this mean? It means that we got under 6 months to get more information. Assist Trophies, returning stages, new stages, items, music, and the selling point of the Smash series, newcomers. Yes, there might not be as many as the previous game, for the base roster, about 5-11, maybe, and that is with echoes in my honest view. Now, echoes are not given out to steal spotlights, it's the easy throw to help underdogs that would not necessarilly make it on their own. For their fans, this madman goes out of his ways to please as many as he can.

What does all of this mean for King K. Rool? Well. As Sakurai and Bill Trinnen said, info are held back, to hype up the game before release. That's exactly what we need. More content to hype the game pre-release. That's as said, under 6 months. Of course Ridley is not alone the big guns. Why reveal all the first day?

If K. Rool and Ridley were shown the same day, Ridley would overshadow King K. Rool, and kill off the hype. The Ballot gave voice to the Kroc, and Nintendo has heard. They know we are hungry for K. Rool, the polls don't lie, the Mii costume does not lie, and as I started with. They created the model for the Mii costume from Scratch. That's research, that's making sure he feels like the true character in terms of colours, scales, and modernize the classic.

Also, I want to add that Krystal made it to Smash, in Assist Trophy form, yes, and why is this important for K. Rool?
Because, Krystal is using her costume from Star Fox Adventure, a RARE produced game. Which means Sakurai proves once again that he is not afraid of touching Rare created content. (Diddy in Brawl is another indicator, really)

All of this bodes well. If this is Sakurai's swan song, and this is the love letter to all Smash fans. Only time will tell when our King will be granted his finest hour.


And if not, then there is still DLC, which would easily make him a shoe-inn if he is not part of the base roster.

I would totally buy all the costumes if Sakurai made DLC for them; especially Dark Peach. Sakurai plssss

Edit: Is K.K Rool even popular in Japan?

The most requested in Japan, in fact.

 

[Zinith]

#66 is Emperor Palpatine

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I would totally buy all the costumes if Sakurai made DLC for them; especially Dark Peach. Sakurai plssss

Edit: Is K.K Rool even popular in Japan?

Didn't K rool top that japanese source gaming poll? I have no idea how big the actual sample size was though so idk

 

[?????????????]

Edit: Is K.K Rool even popular in Japan?

He’s one of if not THE most wanted character in Japan for Smash Bros.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I would totally buy all the costumes if Sakurai made DLC for them; especially Dark Peach. Sakurai plssss

Edit: Is K.K Rool even popular in Japan?

No one really knows how popular K. Rool is in Japan. Some say he's very popular, others say he has a niche fanbase, and others say he's practically unknown over there.

Didn't K rool top that japanese source gaming poll? I have no idea how big the actual sample size was though so idk

That poll was influenced by non-Japanese voters, so it can't be used as a reliable source.

 

[vaanrose]

With the amount of people fully expecting a new character, I am fascinated at the amount of people who also speculate #66 might just be the random button. Not sure what to think of that, but eh.

People just can't count. There are 66 characters announced when you consider the trainer as one.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think that the newcomers will be decided solely by fan demand.

 

[Will]

I don't think that the newcomers will be decided solely by fan demand.

What do you call the Smash Ballot?

 

[SquashiniKun]

I think the way we'll unlock characters will be similar to that of Mario Maker, where every day for an entire week, we'll get new characters and stages.

1. The original 8 and a small handful of Stages from Smash 64
2. The original unlockable 4, The starting newcomers of melee, The remaining stages from Smash 64, and a small handful of stages from Melee
3. The unlockable newcomers of Melee and the remaining stages from Melee
4. The starting Newcomers of Brawl and a handful of stages from Brawl
5. The unlockable Newcomers of Brawl and the remaining stages from Brawl
6. The non DLC newcomers from Smash Wii U/3DS and the Non DLC stages from Smash Wii U/3DS
7. The DLC newcomers from Smash Wii U/3DS, The newcomers from Ultimate, The DLC stages from Smash Wii U/3DS, and The New Stages from Ultimate.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I don't think that the newcomers will be decided solely by fan demand.

I think fan demand plays a factor in character selection, but I too don't think it's the only factor taken into account.

I think the way we'll unlock characters will be similar to that of Mario Maker, where every day for an entire week, we'll get new characters and stages.

1. The Original 8 and a Handful of Stages from Smash 64
2. The Original Unlockable 4, The Starting Newcomers of Melee, The Remaining Stages From Smash 64, and A Handful of stages from Melee
3. The Unlockable Newcomers of Melee and The Remaining Stages from Melee
4. The starting Newcomers of Brawl and a handful of stages from Brawl
5. The unlockable Newcomers of Brawl and the remaining stages from Brawl
6. The Non DLC newcomers from Smash Wii U/3DS and the Non DLC stages from Wii U and 3DS
7. The DLC Newcomers, The Newcomers from Ultimate, The DLC Stages, and The New Stages from Ultimate.

That sounds awfully tedious and annoying if you ask me. Having to wait an entire week for the full roster? No thank you.

 

[Ultinarok]

Both Purple.

But honestly, his abilities are super interesting , like why can he literally swim through the air?

Waluigi swim in Mario Tennis was my favorite thing about that whole game. Because why just run over to intercept the ball, when you can materialize a pool of water out of water molecules in the atmosphere and just swim over?

Them making that his side B in the brawl mods killed me. Waluigi has no games, but its his personality that makes him such a fan favorite. I mean, can we talk about the random rose he always seem to have? How about him being Luigis rival, but doing nothing to actually rival Luigi and instead just causing shenanigans? I think that, more than anything, is why he's so desirable in smash.

That said, I'm not up in arms that he's not in.

 

[Will]

7. The DLC Newcomers, The Newcomers from Ultimate, The DLC Stages, and The New Stages from Ultimate.

Why would you make DLC an unlockable? You paid for them to play them, not to find them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

People just can't count. There are 66 characters announced when you consider the trainer as one.

You forgot to count the Echoes

 

[Deleted member]

You forgot to count the Echoes

He did count them though.
There are 68 characters in total, but if you count the trainer as one, it's 66.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Fully expecting K. Rool in Ultimate at this point.

If I recall, Sakurai himself in the Treehouse stated than demand, especially from Western audiences, is what eventually influenced Ridley as a playable character.

Who else has a fanbase that's about as vocal as Ridley for a character yet to be in Ultimate? The leader of the Kremlins, of course.

Do I want K. Rool in Smash? Well, having played DKC games in my childhood, I'd definitely get nostalgia hype from seeing him, but I've enjoyed playing Smash without him in it before and Ultimate will certainly be no exception, so not having him wouldn't be the end of the world.

Agreed, though nobody, not even K. Rool has the long history of Ridley in relation to Smash Bros. It's still amazing to me, like, people have wanted Ridley since Melee...some even since seeing his sprite in 64. I still have a hard time believing it's real.

K. Rool is definitely next up on the list though. We've already got a jump in Villain reps with Wolf coming back and Rildey, but adding K. Rool too? Really is the ultimate Smash Bros.

 

[SquashiniKun]

Why would you make DLC an unlockable? You paid for them to play them, not to find them.

I'm talking about Bayonetta, Cloud, and Corrin.

 

[vaanrose]

You forgot to count the Echoes

I very much did not.

 

[Will]

I'm talking about Bayonetta, Cloud, and Corrin.

Still not too keen on the idea, I understand the intentions but that doesn't seem like an adaptable system, especially if you're waiting a whole week just to play someone you main(ed).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He did count them though.
There are 68 characters in total, but if you count the trainer as one, it's 66.

I very much did not.

... I live up to my username, I see

 

[Pakky]

He did count them though.
There are 68 characters in total, but if you count the trainer as one, it's 66.

The Trainer is not in the count his Pokemon are, which makes sense because he's not a character per say

 

[StrangeMann]

Will the echoes share a portrait spot on the roster with their non-echo counterparts of be their own spot?
In the direct, lucina got her own art square distinct from marth, but that was before they announced the idea of echoes.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Agreed, though nobody, not even K. Rool has the long history of Ridley in relation to Smash Bros. It's still amazing to me, like, people have wanted Ridley since Melee...some even since seeing his sprite in 64. I still have a hard time believing it's real.

K. Rool is definitely next up on the list though. We've already got a jump in Villain reps with Wolf coming back and Rildey, but adding K. Rool too? Really is the ultimate Smash Bros.

The only reason to this was that it took too long for Diddy Kong to get into the game. The second Diddy got into Smash, K. Rool bloomed in popularity. With Ridley, they started the support hype since Melee. That's the biggest difference. They fans really deserved this first.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The Trainer is not in the count his Pokemon are, which makes sense because he's not a character per say

True, but all three Pokemon are a single character slot, and the connection between the three is the Trainer, so it makes sense to count them as a single character.

 

[Will]

Will the echoes share a portrait spot on the roster with their non-echo counterparts of be their own spot?
In the direct, lucina got her own art square distinct from marth, but that was before they announced the idea of echoes.

Wouldn't be any different from how they did Alph. Speaking of Alph, poor him, they didn't even make him an Echo.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

You should not want a clone for their Decloning potential. decloning barely happen, like this is Ganondorf 4th smash and he still has 3 specials taken from falcon.
Like I Want Dark Samus as a clone/echo, but that's because I know she won't get in otherwise.

Also I have a feeling the classification of echo fighters is to not have to work on decloning them in the future. Pretty sure they will be stuck that way forever.

I think the way we'll unlock characters will be similar to that of Mario Maker, where every day for an entire week, we'll get new characters and stages.

1. The original 8 and a small handful of Stages from Smash 64
2. The original unlockable 4, The starting newcomers of melee, The remaining stages from Smash 64, and a small handful of stages from Melee
3. The unlockable newcomers of Melee and the remaining stages from Melee
4. The starting Newcomers of Brawl and a small handful of stages from Brawl
5. The unlockable Newcomers of Brawl and the remaining stages from Brawl
6. The non DLC newcomers from Smash Wii U/3DS and the Non DLC stages from Smash Wii U/3DS
7. The DLC newcomers from Smash Wii U/3DS, The newcomers from Ultimate, The DLC stages from Smash Wii U/3DS, and The New Stages from Ultimate.

That's such a huge change from what the game used to be that I think they would have announced that with the reveal, at least I'd hope they would. Seriously if I pay $60 for 8 characters and have two wait two months to play as Ridley I will be pissed.

EDIT; Sorry I misread! I read that as weeks. Still...what would be the point of that?