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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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CroonerMike

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So I don't want to make stupid theories but I'm confused and maybe someone can explain this to me.

Why does the Knuckles and Rodin assist trophy play exactly as Sonic and Bayonetta? Isn't that kinda weird? Like all other assists have their own thing.
 

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It bugs me a little that on the site the Bayonetta series logo is specifically Bayonetta 2's logo.
I think it’s because Nintendo is the reason Bayonetta 2 even exists.

What about Final Fantasy series logo? It’s specifically Final Fantasy VII logo. Probably because Cloud is from that game.
 

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So I don't want to make stupid theories but I'm confused and maybe someone can explain this to me.

Why does the Knuckles and Rodin assist trophy play exactly as Sonic and Bayonetta? Isn't that kinda weird? Like all other assists have their own thing.
Not really, a lot of the assists this time around appear closer to regular characters, just with less moves obviously, the same with krystal but she uses her staff.

Maybe they just repurposed sonic's homing attack so they didn't have to make more animations
 
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Also it looks like the Smash website will only post new info only from Mondays to Fridays like they did for Smash 4.
In which case, we have 125 blog updates between now and the release date. What does this mean? Whatever you want it to, but they'll likely have to repeat fighter of the day spotlights, if not stop them once we cover the full roster.
 

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Jesus I didn't know this.

I hope he gets his own game off of this, obviously people care, I know I do.
 
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I think it’s because Nintendo is the reason Bayonetta 2 even exists.

What about Final Fantasy series logo? It’s specifically Final Fantasy VII logo. Probably because Cloud is from that game.
Yeah, but in Smash Wii U, they used the Bayonetta 1 logo to represent the franchise. They still used FF7's logo to represent it there. My OCD begs for consistency.
 

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In less than a week Waluigi has become more of a meme than Ridley.

But seriously that article is a large meme.
Both Purple.

But honestly, his abilities are super interesting , like why can he literally swim through the air?
 
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My thoughts exactly. There are very few characters I would count worthy enough to join the battle that I would make into Echo Fighters. Impa, Dixie, and Octoling to be exact.
I really don't think Dixie would end up a echo fighter, more likely a semi clone. If we get a DKC echo fighter it would be Funky.

It would be really cool to have an "Antagonistic 8" made of :4bowser:,:4ganondorf:,:4mewtwo:,:4dedede:,:wolf:, Kamek, Ridley and K. Rool
Ugh people giving me false hope again for Kamek, I accepted already he wasn't going to happen. But that would really be great.
 

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Looks like someone found something from Smash Ultimate and send it out on Twitter. Apparently, the color swaps now have a menu to switch between colors and has a name tag.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MudvaKipper/status/1007753190887051265

But all the name tags are “Color 1, Color 2, to Color 8”.

People are speculating that they’re trying implementing costumes into the game but on a later date. Or that’s where the “Echo” characters are gonna be.
 

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Looks like someone found something from Smash Ultimate and send it out on Twitter. Apparently, the color swaps now have a menu to switch between colors and has a name tag.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MudvaKipper/status/1007753190887051265

But all the name tags are “Color 1, Color 2, to Color 8”.

People are speculating that they’re trying implementing costumes into the game but on a later date. Or that’s where the “Echo” characters are gonna be.
The quality of life improvements going on are amazing.
 

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Knuckles was also able to perform a Homing Attack in Sonic Heroes if Sonic was in lead.
If you pick up the second controller he can homing attack in Shadow's game as well. Someone brought up Spin Dashing and honestly I think that would have made more sense as Knuckles consistently shows the ability:

He does it in the Classics, Chaotix and Mania, Sonic R (Tails actually can't spindash in this game but Knux can), Fighters, the Advance games and the Rivals games. Pretty much the only reason he doesn't have it in the Adventure titles is due to the lack of emphasis on momentum based sloped gameplay.

There's gliding too but Spin Dashing ain't exactly out of character.

And the move where he burrows underground and rises with an uppercut is actually Major Eruption from Sonic Battle.


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Interesting that they take from Battle for an assist trophy but not for Sonic's moveset.
 

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Looks like someone found something from Smash Ultimate and send it out on Twitter. Apparently, the color swaps now have a menu to switch between colors and has a name tag.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MudvaKipper/status/1007753190887051265

But all the name tags are “Color 1, Color 2, to Color 8”.

People are speculating that they’re trying implementing costumes into the game but on a later date. Or that’s where the “Echo” characters are gonna be.
I thought the echo characters would get their own slots - DP and Lucy did, and they're pretty well in the same circumstance here.

But if that means the potential for alternate costume names (e.g. Olimar/Alph or Riddles/Meta) or even new costumes (TP attaire back for the Zeldas?) or even DLC costumes?

Nice.
 
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I really don't think Dixie would end up a echo fighter, more likely a semi clone. If we get a DKC echo fighter it would be Funky.



Ugh people giving me false hope again for Kamek, I accepted already he wasn't going to happen. But that would really be great.
i agree about dixie, i think people are going overboard guessing at echos now that theres a name for them but i think they are just as likely as they always were.

I think if dixies in she'd get the same treatment she'd always have gotten whether or not we had the term "echo fighters", which is she'd be a semi-clone of diddy.

i think the only other echo fighters we'd maybe get are ones that make the most sense to fight like their counter part (impa for instance) OR a very highly requested fan character and this is the easiest way sakurai can make it happen (someone like chrom, though even then i think it would ONLY be to make him realizable for his fans, as he could be better off as his own thing than an echo). daisy fits both of these pretty well where she kind of SHOULD be a peach clone to some extent (its doesnt go against her character to be anyway) and shes heavily requested by fans so this was an easy way to make her happen.

i am not excpecting third party echos, im not expecting most of the remaining newcomer characters to be echos, im not expecting something like 3-6 echos probably closer to 1 MAYBE 2 more. i certainly dont think sakurai will just add a bunch of them just cause he can. if an echo gets added it will be because theres a fan desire for that character to be playable in smash and being an echo fits the character well enough it doesn't go against who they are.
 

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RelaxAlax brought up an interesting point in regards to the streamlining and "recruiting" unlockable characters. What if they brought back the concept of the Great Maze from Brawl's SSE within a brand new adventure mode, where you have to go through various iconic locales, there you can find and challenge the unlockable characters you encounter and unlock them straight away once you beat them. Perhaps building up for a big boss you have to challenge at the end (The return of Tabuu, Master Core or a new baddie) Perhaps they can also incorporate Boss Battles via this mode too?
 
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RelaxAlax brought up an interesting point in regards to the streamlining and "recruiting" unlockable characters. What if they brought back the concept of the Great Maze from Brawl's SSE within a brand new adventure mode, where you have to go through various iconic locales, there you can find and challenge the unlockable characters you encounter and unlock them straight away once you beat them. Perhaps building up for a big boss you have to challenge at the end (The return of Tabuu, Master Core or a new baddie) Perhaps they can also incorporate Boss Battles via this mode too?
I'd love it but considering this entire game's already made from the ground up with this many characters, I don't think they can cram that in there
 

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Looks like someone found something from Smash Ultimate and send it out on Twitter. Apparently, the color swaps now have a menu to switch between colors and has a name tag.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MudvaKipper/status/1007753190887051265

But all the name tags are “Color 1, Color 2, to Color 8”.

People are speculating that they’re trying implementing costumes into the game but on a later date. Or that’s where the “Echo” characters are gonna be.
Costumes would be interesting. Also, if by chance they do DLC Costumes, they can add designs/costumes/character costumes/etc from future games for advertising and whatnot and past costumes for fanservice.
If such happens, I hope the Mii Fighters get some of the Smash 4 Cameo costumes, like Monster Hunter, Black Knight, etc.
 

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Looks like someone found something from Smash Ultimate and send it out on Twitter. Apparently, the color swaps now have a menu to switch between colors and has a name tag.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MudvaKipper/status/1007753190887051265

But all the name tags are “Color 1, Color 2, to Color 8”.

People are speculating that they’re trying implementing costumes into the game but on a later date. Or that’s where the “Echo” characters are gonna be.
oh this is interesting... i'm expecting echos to have their own spot on the roster especially because the koopalings and alph still exist as costumes.

however they are emphasizing numbering the echos the same as their counter part characters so i'm curious if theres some way they wont take up a spot on the CSS and rather theres a way to get to them from their base character, this little alt costume menu could potentially be a means of doing something like that. not sure, i hope we find that out soon.
 
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So I don't want to make stupid theories but I'm confused and maybe someone can explain this to me.

Why does the Knuckles and Rodin assist trophy play exactly as Sonic and Bayonetta? Isn't that kinda weird? Like all other assists have their own thing.
Perhaps they were planned as echoes or semi-clones, but were demoted since they already had some work put into them.
Alternatively, maybe they just decided to make them as trophies with recycled animations because it would conserve resources while still looking reasonable and they could focus their efforts elsewhere
 

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In less than a week Waluigi has become more of a meme than Ridley.

But seriously that article is a large meme.
Alright, new theory: Sakurai has established an embargo on the color purple and refuses to put any primarily purple characters in Smash. What, you think he was serious with the "Ridley's too big" thing? No, it was a coverup for an even more ridiculous reason: Ridley was too purple the whole time. Hell, even when Ridley did get in, he was desaturated to the point of barely even being purple anymore to satisfy this man's senseless vendetta against the color. Hell, this even gives us a reason for why Mewtwo was cut from Brawl; as the only even partially purple member of the cast at the time, Sakurai deemed him low-priority and had him removed. And it is for this reason that I regret to inform Waluigi supporters that they will likely never get their wish, not because he lacks the moves, not because he doesn't deserve it, but because Waluigi is too purple.

...****, I gotta remove Spyro from my DLC predictions now.
 

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I want to ask something in terms of DLC. But when do you guys think DLC characters, stages, etc. would even begin to be released, let alone revealed?

I mean we still don’t know everything about the base game and people are already speculating DLC.
 
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I want to ask something in terms of DLC. But when do you guys think DLC characters, stages, etc. would even begin to be released, let alone revealed?

I mean we still don’t know everything about the base game and people are already speculating DLC.
Mewtwo was released a good 5 months after the Wii U game came out, including work on Lucas, Ryu and Roy so I guess we can expect similar results
 

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I want to ask something in terms of DLC. But when do you guys think DLC characters, stages, etc. would even begin to be released, let alone revealed?

I mean we still don’t know everything about the base game and people are already speculating DLC.
DLC for Smash 4 was announced shortly after the release of Smash 4 3DS in the form of Mewtwo returning, so I would expect DLC to be announced relatively shortly after the game's release. At the very least by the 2019 Financial Report in March. Investors are going to want to know about something like that.
 
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I'm sure the last 6 months are polishing, so they may be in the planning stages for DLC now. They probably have a good idea who the first DLC character they want is (Spring Man or Rex/Pyra may be a bit recent for Smash 5, but well timed for DLC), so they could be in planning for that.

I'd love another ballot for DLC specifically, since there are a few changes since every other game got ported to the Switch.

I'd also hope we get DLC support for a long time. I don't want them to toss this Smash under the bus, and I'd expect this is the one we'll have until Nintendo's next hardware generation - maybe 7-10 years. It'd be nice to get a lot of DLC and patch support if this game is to have that longevity.
 

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I DO have this to say about DLC. They can't **** up a Palutena Guidance or Codec like Lucas in the last game. I also want them to get the VAs for those characters to record new Codecs and Guidances because if other fighting games can add new lines, why can't Smash?
 

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I want to ask something in terms of DLC. But when do you guys think DLC characters, stages, etc. would even begin to be released, let alone revealed?

I mean we still don’t know everything about the base game and people are already speculating DLC.
I imagine NEXT E3 is around when we'd be getting our first DLC, probably right around or even before the game comes out we may get something in a direct or whatever that announce there will be DLC, i have no doubt we'll be getting it anyway.
 

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Speaking of codecs though...

We are getting Paly's temple and Shadow Moses. Both codecs this time? And are they the same as before?

And I still really want a Cranky codec on Jungle Japes
 

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If you pick up the second controller he can homing attack in Shadow's game as well. Someone brought up Spin Dashing and honestly I think that would have made more sense as Knuckles consistently shows the ability:

He does it in the Classics, Chaotix and Mania, Sonic R (Tails actually can't spindash in this game but Knux can), Fighters, the Advance games and the Rivals games. Pretty much the only reason he doesn't have it in the Adventure titles is due to the lack of emphasis on momentum based sloped gameplay.

There's gliding too but Spin Dashing ain't exactly out of character.

And the move where he burrows underground and rises with an uppercut is actually Major Eruption from Sonic Battle.


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Interesting that they take from Battle for an assist trophy but not for Sonic's moveset.
Sonic's Down Air is Shadow's Air Attack from Sonic Battle, actually.

So not entirely true. But for the most part, Battle is unused.
 

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Speaking of codecs though...

We are getting Paly's temple and Shadow Moses. Both codecs this time? And are they the same as before?

And I still really want a Cranky codec on Jungle Japes
I'd imagine they would be all updated, at least for some of the veteran ones. At least I recall some of Snake's codec's mentioning Brawl directly in few of them, like Jigglypuff and Sonic's codec calls.
 
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Speaking of codecs though...

We are getting Paly's temple and Shadow Moses. Both codecs this time? And are they the same as before?

And I still really want a Cranky codec on Jungle Japes
They should change because it gives the writing team more to do. Imagine stuff like "Colonol, I already told you, give that man some respect, he had his own year and would do anything for his brother" or Pit going "Oh that's Lucas. I feel bad for forgetting who he was last time", etc.
 

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They should change because it gives the writing team more to do. Imagine stuff like "Colonol, I already told you, give that man some respect, he had his own year and would do anything for his brother" or Pit going "Oh that's Lucas. I feel bad for forgetting who he was last time", etc.
Ridley
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"Colonel, what the hell is that thing?"

"That is the leader of the Space Pirates Ridley, he has BIG rivalry with the bounty hunter Samus Aran"

Pac-man
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"Colonel, is, is that a talking pizza?"

"No Snake that's Pac-man everyone all over the world knows him."

Villager
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"What's with this kid with the net? Is he going off to catch monkeys or something?"

"That's the Villager Snake a peaceful person who is the mayor of their own town"

"That axe doesn't seem peaceful..."
 
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Speaking of codecs though...

We are getting Paly's temple and Shadow Moses. Both codecs this time? And are they the same as before?

And I still really want a Cranky codec on Jungle Japes
The Colonel's Japanese voice actor died a few years ago, and I think Kojima said he was going to retire his character out of respect of the voice actor. Kojima doesn't have any say over metal gear anymore, but I don't think Konami will stoop that low.

I guess we could have someone else be in the codec calls besides Colonel, maybe Raiden?
 
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With :frigate: being back in Smash Ultimate, there's no way this track won't come back.
 
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