Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Irarius]

What videogame places you would love to see become stages in this new smash?
I would like to have a bowser castle stage, with lava and flags with bowser's face.

diggernaut from samus returns as a stage hazard and the cavern as the stage, DONE i hated this damn robot, he can start ****** smash players next

 

[IronWarrior94]

I consider an AT a downgrade, i feel like with each game he came closer to bea playable character, he started in the background in 64, he was in the intro in meele he was TWO bossfights in brawl, and in smash4 he was a stage hazard with half a moveset. like sakurei works on him for over more then a decade or something

Yep, and I almost forgot people pointed out how Ridley seems to behave almost like a playable character in Smash 4.
It really does feel like Sakurai has been "testing" Ridley out, seeing if he could make him a playable character, and how he'd go about making that possible. Atleast, I hope that's the case ,and I hope it pays off here, because at this point it's now or never for Ridley.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

What videogame places you would love to see become stages in this new smash?
I would like to have a bowser castle stage, with lava and flags with bowser's face.

Quickly top of my head;

- Bowser's Castle.
- Mario Party Board; Different mini-games shuffling the stage.
- Doshin the Giant stage: Make use of Doshin's abilities.
- Doctor Mario; With the medicine blocks falling down. ft. Viruses.
- Panel De Pon stage, similar to Doc'M's stage, but with astetics from PDP.
- Gangplank Galleon; If K. Rool becomes playable this is something I will crave.
- Castlevania castle rooftop. If Simon ends up being playable.
- Advance War battlefield with explosives that will be deadly.
- Pokémon: Safari Zone. I've always hoped we had a traveling safari-zone based stage.

 

[Pakky]

Actually believe it or not the miis could get cut

The miis aren't used that much on the switch

I’d rather crazy alt costumes for actual characters than Mii dressing up as guys I want...

 

[Zerp]

What videogame places you would love to see become stages in this new smash?
I would like to have a bowser castle stage, with lava and flags with bowser's face.

Spoiler: Kirby Star Allies spoiler

The inside of Void Termina's shell, it'd rep both the new Kirby game and the older installments that haven't got any stages at the same time since it's basically Dark Star 2.0.

Also, the obligatory New Donk City.

 

[Zippo]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005138585203478528

Oh my god

 

[StrangeMann]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005138585203478528

Oh my god

Plot twist: The 4chan F-zero leak was real the whole time.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005138585203478528

Oh my god

ITS NOT RIDLEY BEFORE YOU ALL GET ALARMED!

It's a f-zero track

 

[Irarius]

Yep, and I almost forgot people pointed out how Ridley seems to behave almost like a playable character in Smash 4.
It really does feel like Sakurai has been "testing" Ridley out, seeing if he could make him a playable character, and how he'd go about making that possible. Atleast, I hope that's the case ,and I hope it pays off here, because at this point it's now or never for Ridley.

indeed, but one must say ridley is propably the single most unique case of a character to be included in smash ever, no other character has been in this many smash games as a CHARACTER, who is iconic, and rising through the games as they come out each tiome closer to be one. from the very start at that
i mean he was requested ever since meele, and even amongst bossfights, or hazards he is unique i mean all the he is two bossfights and as a hazard he basicly is a fighter himself with his own KO attack and combos/ specials there is nobody else who is like this hell in the 50 minute direct for smash4 he had his own segment just for himself, who gets that? if he makes it in, one of the greatest smashmemes will die, and the final boss out of the three greatest nintendo villains is in the game.

at this point it is rly the question what sakurai can do next if ridley is indeed not playable. is he two hazards a boss and a trophy?

 

[ZenythSmash]

omg what if this is the title

BRAVO SAKURAI

 

[Crap-Zapper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005138585203478528

Oh my god

That's Mute City from Mario Kart 8, right? What's so special about it?

 

[StrangeMann]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005145397214564352
looks like we've got leaky pipes from jonneh

 

[Zippo]

That's Mute City from Mario Kart 8, right? What's so special about it?

They're blatantly teasing an F Zero announcement which is absurd. The post after implied it was related to the Star Fox Grand Prix game, if I'm interpreting that correctly. Captain Falcon possibly a racer?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

They're blatantly teasing an F Zero announcement which is absurd.

I would read on....not FZero...maybe a cross over though?

Since Fox had a cameo as a human racer I think The Captain should have a cameo in Grand Prix. (I'd say as a Blue Falcon but that's a little too similar to another guy...)

 

[Phaazoid]

You did come off as mean, but I accept your apology lmao.
Im terms of actual game design, yes there are issues. Ridley in a playable state would have to be smaller than his previous smash appearances yes. Thats not something thats up for debate, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. The problem is that you can't just squish his height without him looking terrible. And if you shrink him in general, his body is going to be tiny.

But lets throw that outta the window. Let's pretend that size isn't a problem at all. What of his moveset? I can see ridley going a few ways. Either you could go the slow heavy powerful route, or you could go the quick light weak and ranged route. You can't have ridley being fast, heavy, powerful, and have good range. You'd have to pick, and I think that's a compromise since I've never seen ridley depicted as either of the two options I've mentioned. And thats completely ignoring how they'd have to gimp his flight or wings.

Modders have tried their best to make ridley work too. But they're all horribly unbalanced or not pretty to look at. Sakurai could try to force it, but I think depicting ridley as anything other than the brutal space pirate we've come to know would be even more of a disservice to the character than appearing as he always has in his games. As an intimidating boss enemy.

Again, this leads me back to the idea of not everything having to be a playable character. Ridley has appeared in every smash game to date in some capacity, and even has his own stage in 4. I think thats more than any non playable character has ever gotten, and even more than some playable characters have gotten (looking at you cloud). I just don't see him having to be an actual character to rep him given the circumstances, and I suspect sakurai feels the same.

Or I mean he could change his mind and get it to work, who knows man.

Yeah I feel like I come off as really angry when talking those points, it was an honest apology haha.

I'm glad you're not one of those people who get stuck on the size argument. Impossible to really argue past that point. I'm happy to just say 'they'd find a way to make him look good' and not really look at that point.

If we go to move set, first I'll say this - modders, while I really appreciate them and think they do some really cool stuff, are not game designers. Generally they have some combination of good coding skills and/or modeling skills. This allows them to take a thing, make it how they picture it, or how it was pictured in another game, and frankenstein it somewhere else. While this is neat, this is different from a designer. What a modder is missing is the professional experience in making something new altogether. So while yes, modders have tried to make Ridley work and failed, they are just that, modders. There really isn't a great existing Ridley model that would work well in smash, which is why you probably have trouble picturing it. Sakurai 'forcing' it, is really what he does with all characters - taking them and molding them to fit smash. It's not some godly effort that would for some reason take more effort with Ridley than with another character. Sure, it would take a little more time to make a new model for a character than for say, Mario. But in comparison to say, balancing Rosalina, who has a second command-able object? Making a model is nothing compared to that.

I do agree with you on one point - playable or not, Ridley will 100% make some sort of appearance in this game. And if you just don't want him playable, I can respect that. There are characters I just don't really want to see playable either (not a Decuideye fan here). I'm not going to be offended just because you dislike a videogame character, or think that character should appear in a different way than I do. I just want to clear the air of misconceptions about silly things like 'he's too big', or 'he'd be much harder to implement than a normal character', Because those things are provably false.

 

[StrangeMann]

There was rumors of a star fox/f-zero crossover a few years ago. It could be the result of those rumors.

 

[IronWarrior94]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1005145397214564352
looks like we've got leaky pipes from jonneh

That the same Jonneh from Resetera?

 

[StrangeMann]

That the same Jonneh from Resetera?

yes

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

There was rumors of a star fox/f-zero crossover a few years ago. It could be the result of those rumors.

I can I get a link?

I remembered some star fox racing game rumor and king k rool is involved i think

 

[IronWarrior94]

yes

I'm looking through his feed right now and he's made some...interesting tweets regarding Metroid and Ridley overall. Not gonna put any stock into though, but I just found this tweet and it made me chuckle
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonComms/status/1004332610049454080

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Just give me F-Zero GX HD Remake. I don't need more. A fully new game would be incredible, but ... I can't hold much hope up anymore. Not before I see any sign of anything.

 

[Pacack]

You did come off as mean, but I accept your apology lmao.
Im terms of actual game design, yes there are issues. Ridley in a playable state would have to be smaller than his previous smash appearances yes. Thats not something thats up for debate, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. The problem is that you can't just squish his height without him looking terrible. And if you shrink him in general, his body is going to be tiny.

But lets throw that outta the window. Let's pretend that size isn't a problem at all. What of his moveset? I can see ridley going a few ways. Either you could go the slow heavy powerful route, or you could go the quick light weak and ranged route. You can't have ridley being fast, heavy, powerful, and have good range. You'd have to pick, and I think that's a compromise since I've never seen ridley depicted as either of the two options I've mentioned. And thats completely ignoring how they'd have to gimp his flight or wings.

Modders have tried their best to make ridley work too. But they're all horribly unbalanced or not pretty to look at. Sakurai could try to force it, but I think depicting ridley as anything other than the brutal space pirate we've come to know would be even more of a disservice to the character than appearing as he always has in his games. As an intimidating boss enemy.

Again, this leads me back to the idea of not everything having to be a playable character. Ridley has appeared in every smash game to date in some capacity, and even has his own stage in 4. I think thats more than any non playable character has ever gotten, and even more than some playable characters have gotten (looking at you cloud). I just don't see him having to be an actual character to rep him given the circumstances, and I suspect sakurai feels the same.

Or I mean he could change his mind and get it to work, who knows man.

Personally, I'm fond of making Ridley's wings and tail make him appear larger than he really is.

 

[Dee Dude]

Because I’m tired of Ridley talk, I want to try and bring up something else.

Since BOTW Link is confirmed, what’s the chance we’ll get other redesigned and possible retooled veterans like Cappy Mario, BOTW Zelda, Zero Fox etc?

 

[Arcanir]

I would read on....not FZero...maybe a cross over though?

Since Fox had a cameo as a human racer I think The Captain should have a cameo in Grand Prix. (I'd say as a Blue Falcon but that's a little too similar to another guy...)

Yep, they had his father James McCloud appear as a character and even made allusions to Star Fox through him. While I'm not sure if they'd change Captain Falcon's species, I could see them do a similar thing where they put him in as a allusion and fan-favorite for fans of F-Zero.

That the same Jonneh from Resetera?

Yep.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Yeah I feel like I come off as really angry when talking those points, it was an honest apology haha.

I'm glad you're not one of those people who get stuck on the size argument. Impossible to really argue past that point. I'm happy to just say 'they'd find a way to make him look good' and not really look at that point.

If we go to move set, first I'll say this - modders, while I really appreciate them and think they do some really cool stuff, are not game designers. Generally they have some combination of good coding skills and/or modeling skills. This allows them to take a thing, make it how they picture it, or how it was pictured in another game, and frankenstein it somewhere else. While this is neat, this is different from a designer. What a modder is missing is the professional experience in making something new altogether. So while yes, modders have tried to make Ridley work and failed, they are just that, modders. There really isn't a great existing Ridley model that would work well in smash, which is why you probably have trouble picturing it. Sakurai 'forcing' it, is really what he does with all characters - taking them and molding them to fit smash. It's not some godly effort that would for some reason take more effort with Ridley than with another character. Sure, it would take a little more time to make a new model for a character than for say, Mario. But in comparison to say, balancing Rosalina, who has a second command-able object? Making a model is nothing compared to that.

I do agree with you on one point - playable or not, Ridley will 100% make some sort of appearance in this game. And if you just don't want him playable, I can respect that. There are characters I just don't really want to see playable either (not a Decuideye fan here). I'm not going to be offended just because you dislike a videogame character, or think that character should appear in a different way than I do. I just want to clear the air of misconceptions about silly things like 'he's too big', or 'he'd be much harder to implement than a normal character', Because those things are provably false.

Literally the best ridley interaction I've had on these boards since brawl speculation. Bravo. Let's see what happens this time around, I'm excited either way lol

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1004487619416330245?s=20

This one is my favorite. "Or any other game...( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)"

 

[Hinata]

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

 

[T-Hell]

Didn't Vergeben talk about some Star Fox Racing game as well?

 

[Zerp]

Personally, I'm fond of making Ridley's wings and tail make him appear larger than he really is.

Look at that tail, can you imagine how disjointed some of his moves will be if it isn't a hurtbox?

I mean, it's not like there isn't precedent for absurd disjoints in Smash but still, I think it'd be a good idea to at least have a bit of the tail have a hurtbox.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Bet ya that if anything leaks from the E3 setup it's going to be something incredibly uninteresting, like Kirby's render or something.

 

[StrangeMann]

Didn't Vergeben talk about some Star Fox Racing game as well?

He did but he wasn't the first. Same with the Just cause 4 thing: Evidence he believed in the rumors before they were announced, but not before other leakers did the same.

 

[Sage of Ice]

What videogame places you would love to see become stages in this new smash?
I would like to have a bowser castle stage, with lava and flags with bowser's face.

the Lost Woods, Castelia City, Phaaze (Phendrana Drifts looks nice too but i haven't gotten around to playing that game so i have no substantial frame of reference) maybe Angel Island and the Master Emerald Shrine if Sonic comes back

i think we were talking about music here earlier? the Hyrule Castle theme on Hyrule Castle seems so obvious, i dunno why they never did that. must've been too busy doing a seventh rendition of the main Zelda theme...

 

[Phaazoid]

Literally the best ridley interaction I've had on these boards since brawl speculation. Bravo. Let's see what happens this time around, I'm excited either way lol

Yeah it's unfortunate there's so much negative connotation with the fanbase, I think people have trouble separating the concepts of not liking a character and not liking them as a person. Although I guess it's in character for Ridley fans to be angry and hot headed xD

Same haha. On one hand, I want the leaks to be true because Ridley. On the other hand, I want them to not be true so that I'll be really surprised. Win/win for me.

 

[Pacack]

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

I would not have believed Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Greninja, Dark Pit, Lucina, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., Ryu, Cloud, FE14 Protagonist, or Bayonetta.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

They're blatantly teasing an F Zero announcement which is absurd. The post after implied it was related to the Star Fox Grand Prix game, if I'm interpreting that correctly. Captain Falcon possibly a racer?

That’s what I’m hoping for

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

besides Cloud...definitely

 

[DLEAF]

Bet ya that if anything leaks from the E3 setup it's going to be something incredibly uninteresting, like Kirby's render or something.

Tbh I really want to see what the renders will look like this time around. It's highly possible that they stick with the overall aesthetic of Sm4sh, but you never know what changes they might make.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

Would have believed it up until Ryu and then would have written it off as a troll after Cloud.

Funny how things change

 

[Crap-Zapper]

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

Who or what the **** is a Greninja?

That would be my first thought back then.

 

[T-Hell]

Because I’m tired of Ridley talk, I want to try and bring up something else.

Since BOTW Link is confirmed, what’s the chance we’ll get other redesigned and possible retooled veterans like Cappy Mario, BOTW Zelda, Zero Fox etc?

Fairly possible I'd say, though I don't know which ones could possibly receive an update in that matter, besides the ones you mentioned and New Leaf Villager. If Wolf returns he would have his most recent model from that recent SF game I guess.

If you saw this newcomer list prior to Smash 4's release:

Mega Man
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina & Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Palutena
Dark Pit
Pac Man
Mii
Lucina
Robin
Shulk
Duck Hunt Dog
Bowser Jr
Ryu
Cloud Strife
FE14 Protag
Bayonetta

...would you have believed it?

— Virum (Old Profile) (@Virum_SD) June 8, 2018

Fun little game for y'all.

Absolutely not, and that's why some leaks like the imgr leak were interesting.

 

[Pacack]

Look at that tail, can you imagine how disjointed some of his moves will be if it isn't a hurtbox?
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I mean, it's not like there isn't precedent for absurd disjoints in Smash but still, I think it'd be a good idea to at least have a bit of the tail have a hurtbox.

I think the most graceful solution to that would be either to make the base of the tail a hurtbox (as you mention) or to make moves that use Ridley's tail have notable startup lag ala Super Metroid and utilize slashing rather than stabbing, which would allow for a shorter range.