Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MamaLuigi123456]

Here, I got another comment I like.

“Lucina and dark pit ain’t coming back Weird characters that might get in: professor Layton, Pepsi man, Shrek, Minecraft Steve, cooking mama, excitebiker, chorus kids, sans”

You know what the ****ed up part is?
I'd main all of them.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh yeah, Cooking Mama.

Remember when everyone thought she was made by Nintendo themselves?

 

[FlareHabanero]

A notable effort "leak" has arisen from /v/ about a new F-Zero game.

Spoiler

While I don't think it's real, it is a pretty decent effort leak compared to most.

I know it's fake, but I secretly want to call it real anyway since I've desperately wanted a new F-Zero game for over a decade.

 

[Arcanir]

Hypothetical time.

The Pokémon newcomer isn't Decidueye, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, or any of the other expected ones. Instead, it's Golisopod...but not just Golisopod. In the background, Guzma is giving Golisopod orders, and helps out in the Final Smash by allowing Golisopod to use its Bug Z-Move.

How would you react?

I'd be pretty happy with that.

Guzma is a pretty good character and Golisopod is one of my favorite Bug Type Pokémon. I feel that would be a fun addition to have to the game, especially since I'd like to see how they'd implement First Impression.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Oh yeah, Cooking Mama.

Remember when everyone thought she was made by Nintendo themselves?

I wish she was I'd love to do the cooking by the book and kick Bowser's ass...

In the kitchen of course.

 

[Deleted member]

An example on how I feel about most "this is a port" arguments I've seen since the teaser trailer.

Everytime someone even dares to argue about this game beign a port im tempted to just copy and pase that huge wall of text that i did a while ago.

I don't care if it becomes the next "you need a very high IQ" or "Navy Seal" copypasta meme in the process.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Hypothetical time.

The Pokémon newcomer isn't Decidueye, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, or any of the other expected ones. Instead, it's Golisopod...but not just Golisopod. In the background, Guzma is giving Golisopod orders, and helps out in the Final Smash by allowing Golisopod to use its Bug Z-Move.

How would you react?

Golisopod is a super cool pokemon so. . .hell yeah i'd love that.

Of the 5 other pokemon you listed, i would put Golisopod in third place

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Except from the Splat Attack theme/Squid Kid theme, there is just one other I really want to see! Especially if the Octolings somehow makes it in, as I was mesmarized with this track when I first heard it;

 

[Zeox]

Golisopod is probably one of my favorite pokemons from this last generation, I doubt he would be the new smash pokemon but if he was I would have the opposite of a problem.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Golisopod is probably one of my favorite pokemons from this last generation, I doubt he would be the new smash pokemon but if he was I would have the opposite of a problem.

Could see him replacing Scizor as a sharp One-Hit-KO Pokémon you wish to look out for.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have been researching on how many characters sakurai has added for a franchise per installment, and it is interesting that there has been at least two franchises that has gotten two unique newcomers. Melee with Mario and Zelda. Brawl with Pokemon and Kirby. Smash 4 with Mario and Fire Emblem. It kinda makes me think that Sakurai has a maximum capacity of adding 2 unique newcomers from an already represented franchise when doing Smash project plans. I do not really count clones from Smash 4 and Melee, because those characters like Young Link and Dark Pit were not planned from the start until later in development. Do you think that 2 unique newcomers would be his maximum capacity when considering adding multiple newcomers from an already represented franchise?

 

[Zinith]

I have been researching on how many characters sakurai has added for a franchise per installment, and it is interesting that there has been at least two franchises that has gotten two unique newcomers. Melee with Mario and Zelda. Brawl with Pokemon and Kirby. Smash 4 with Mario and Fire Emblem. It kinda makes me think that Sakurai has a maximum capacity of adding 2 unique newcomers from an already represented franchise when doing Smash project plans. I do not really count clones from Smash 4 and Melee, because those characters like Young Link and Dark Pit were not planned from the start until later in development. Do you think that 2 unique newcomers would be his maximum capacity when considering adding multiple newcomers from an already represented franchise?

Eh, I think it's merely a coincidence...

 

[Crap-Zapper]

I have been researching on how many characters sakurai has added for a franchise per installment, and it is interesting that there has been at least two franchises that has gotten two unique newcomers. Melee with Mario and Zelda. Brawl with Pokemon and Kirby. Smash 4 with Mario and Fire Emblem. It kinda makes me think that Sakurai has a maximum capacity of adding 2 unique newcomers from an already represented franchise when doing Smash project plans. I do not really count clones from Smash 4 and Melee, because those characters like Young Link and Dark Pit were not planned from the start until later in development. Do you think that 2 unique newcomers would be his maximum capacity when considering adding multiple newcomers from an already represented franchise?

This time better be Donkey Kong and Metroid.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I'd be pretty happy with that.

Guzma is a pretty good character and Golisopod is one of my favorite Bug Type Pokémon. I feel that would be a fun addition to have to the game, especially since I'd like to see how they'd implement First Impression.

Bigger question, how would they implement Emergency Exit if it's his only Pokemon? Would it just increase evasion or something temporarily once it reaches around 60%, or cause it to suddenly teleport out of a combo, or what?

 

[EnthusedPanda]

Golisopod is probably one of my favorite pokemons from this last generation, I doubt he would be the new smash pokemon but if he was I would have the opposite of a problem.

So... a solution?

 

[JamesDNaux]

I have been researching on how many characters sakurai has added for a franchise per installment, and it is interesting that there has been at least two franchises that has gotten two unique newcomers. Melee with Mario and Zelda. Brawl with Pokemon and Kirby. Smash 4 with Mario and Fire Emblem. It kinda makes me think that Sakurai has a maximum capacity of adding 2 unique newcomers from an already represented franchise when doing Smash project plans. I do not really count clones from Smash 4 and Melee, because those characters like Young Link and Dark Pit were not planned from the start until later in development. Do you think that 2 unique newcomers would be his maximum capacity when considering adding multiple newcomers from an already represented franchise?

Problem with your analysis doc, Smash 4 only got one unique FE newcomer pre-DLC, Corn wasn't planned until well after development.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I have been researching on how many characters sakurai has added for a franchise per installment, and it is interesting that there has been at least two franchises that has gotten two unique newcomers. Melee with Mario and Zelda. Brawl with Pokemon and Kirby. Smash 4 with Mario and Fire Emblem. It kinda makes me think that Sakurai has a maximum capacity of adding 2 unique newcomers from an already represented franchise when doing Smash project plans. I do not really count clones from Smash 4 and Melee, because those characters like Young Link and Dark Pit were not planned from the start until later in development. Do you think that 2 unique newcomers would be his maximum capacity when considering adding multiple newcomers from an already represented franchise?

Well yeah, Sakurai has stated that representation among franchises is taken into account, any more than 2 unique newcomers seems like pushing it, there's already fans that scream bias at a franchise getting just 1 newcomer and a clone lol.

I don't think Fire emblem counts since one was dlc tho

 

[MysticKnives]

This time better be Donkey Kong and Metroid.

You'll have it be Mother and F-Zero and you'll like it!

 

[Zinith]

You'll have it be Mother and F-Zero and you'll like it!

Nah, it'll be Yoshi and Wii Fit. Yoshi will have Boshi and a random Yoshi OC from Furaffinity. Wii Fit will have Male WFT as a separate character and the Wii Fit board

 

[Crap-Zapper]

You'll have it be Mother and F-Zero and you'll like it!

Dude, if I got F-Zero I'd be in heaven, but realistically speaking ... I'd settle with DK & Metroid.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just playing devil's advocate, because I get this as a Mimikyu supporter, but Lycanroc's Z-Move wasn't until Ultra and probably wasn't looked at when making the project plan thus probably didn't play a part in deciding unique Sun & Moon Pokemon. I'm not sure if Dusk form would have been decided by then but I personally think so.

Also to the idea of it summoning rocks and using geo-kinesis to lift objects...yea that's forcing it seeing as Lycanroc never does anything like that in any source material. However as people have said in the past that's probably the last reason Lycanroc wouldn't get chosen, even if Sakurai has to make up a new gimmick where it can't pick up two handed objects.

If the Z-Move is a Final Smash, then I don't see why it would be too late. Smash 4 started development in mid 2012 (a year and a half before X and Y was released), yet Lucario and Charizard still got Mega Evolutions. I don't see why Mimikyu or Lycanroc couldn't accomplish the same thing.

And as for Lycanroc sticking to source material... Lucario and his aura mechanic?

 

[Arcadenik]

Furaffinity

Please don’t remind me that website exists.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Please don’t remind me that website exists.

What? Don't you like Duck Hunt Dog and Meowth? I'm sure they are there.

 

[Kirbeh]

I log in for the first time in months and the first thing I see is a comment mentioning Furaffinity. Clearly I've missed a lot lol.

 

[Zinith]

I log in for the first time in months and the first thing I see is a comment mentioning Furaffinity. Clearly I've missed a lot lol.

You're welcome. Ain't I a stinker?!!!

 

[BluePikmin11]

If the Z-Move is a Final Smash, then I don't see why it would be too late. Smash 4 started development in mid 2012 (a year and a half before X and Y was released), yet Lucario and Charizard still got Mega Evolutions. I don't see why Mimikyu or Lycanroc couldn't accomplish the same thing.

And as for Lycanroc sticking to source material... Lucario and his aura mechanic?

TBH, If Lycanroc does get in Smash, I do wonder what kind of mechanic he will make up for the Pokemon. Greninja didn't have much of a mechanic back in Smash 4, and I would love to see him do something experimental for Lycanroc.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

So we've kind of forgotten the Inklings and Splatoon now that they were confirmed. We don't talk about them much.

Let's change that.

I want you guys to take make a song list for the inevitable Splatoon stage.

Here are some rules.

• 10 songs total.
• 9 of these songs must be from Splatoon or Splatoon 2
• The last song must be from a Nintendo series that will most likely not get a stage
• 5 of these songs must be remixes of some sort, chose which ones you chose

Go!

1: Splattack! (Splatoon 1 Main theme - Original)
2: Splattack! (Splatoon 1 Main theme - Remix)
3: Calamari Inkantation (Splatoon 1 - Remix)
4: Bomb Rush Blush (Splatoon 1 - Remix)
5: Tide Goes Out (Splatoon 1 - Original)
5: Colour Pulse (Splatoon 2 - Original)
6: Ink Me Up (Splatoon 1 - Remix)
7: Ebb & Flow (Splatoon 2 - Remix)
8: Shellfie (Chirpy Chips) (Splatoon 1 - Original)
9: Octoling Rendezvous (Splatoon 1/2 - Original)
10: Codename S.T.E.A.M Main Theme (Codename S.T.E.A.M - Original)

Jumped ahead to post this and there's Golisopod and/or Guzma Talk? Now that'd be pretty interesting and out of nowhere, with no objections from me.

 

[Fenriraga]

Yeah, as much as people (Myself included) are not a fan of FE's over representation, it honestly like... Probably wasn't intentional.

Since we already had Mewtwo coming back, Roy was easily the most requested Melee Veteran to return (Well besides Icies, but 3DS). So he, along with Lucas for Brawl's returning character, were picked. Roy and Lucas are actually pretty popular picks among the casual crowds too, for some weird reason.

Then they wanted to have a character to advertise an upcoming Nintendo game, and at the time, the only real option that was far enough in development at the time was Fates. Therefore, Corrin.

So I don't think the over abundance of FE was at ALL intentional, in fact it was mostly coincidence, at least for Roy.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I log in for the first time in months and the first thing I see is a comment mentioning Furaffinity. Clearly I've missed a lot lol.

You sure have

Basicly everyone is talking to be patient about E3

And there's a somewhat Ridley debate all over again

Basicly the vergeben leak (if you heard of it.) gain a little bit of ground since he guess the two konami games on the switch exactly right and yes is connected to this leak (a compilation game for the switch and a action adventure for the switch by konami) and possibly one of those might be castlevania games

And everyone is on war about it ever since advise just assume it's fake despite the evidence to be prepared if it blows up in are faces

In case you don't know the leak

Spoiler: Vergeben leak

Ridley
Simon Belmont
Snake
Ice climabers

Everybody above are playable

And everybody from smash 4 comes back including dlc (no cuts basicly)

And possible minecraft involvement in smash most likely assist trophy or stage.

Oh and the big thing that will make or break the leak Ridley will be revealed at E3 is another claim

 

[Arcadenik]

What? Don't you like Duck Hunt Dog and Meowth? I'm sure they are there.

I need eye bleach. Ganondorf x Captain Falcon x Little Mac is a good eye bleach.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

The new F-Zero thing feels fake


I mean it's got Nintendo and Sega on it

 

[Cosmic77]

TBH, If Lycanroc does get in Smash, I do wonder what kind of mechanic he will make up for the Pokemon. Greninja didn't have much of a mechanic back in Smash 4, and I would love to see him do something experimental for Lycanroc.

Might be pushing it here since this wasn't coined until late summer 2017, but Sakurai could take inspiration from the anime and make Lycanroc "power up" whenever it takes a lot of damage without dealing any to its opponent. Kinda like a rage mechanic made specifically for Lycanroc. If not that, then I can't think of anything else from the top of my head.

Personally, I think it would be best if Sakurai kept it simple. Maybe not quite as simple as Greninja, but nothing too extravagant either. I'd rather see him focus on creating some unique specials instead of making a weird and convoluted gimmick that doesn't suit Lycanroc very well.

 

[Awakining]

Hypothetical time.

The Pokémon newcomer isn't Decidueye, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, or any of the other expected ones. Instead, it's Golisopod...but not just Golisopod. In the background, Guzma is giving Golisopod orders, and helps out in the Final Smash by allowing Golisopod to use its Bug Z-Move.

How would you react?

I'd be excited to see Golisopod. It's a really cool Pokemon, and I'm a sucker for cheesy, giant, anthropomorphic insects and super-heavyweight/bigbody fighters. Not to mention the potential with First Impression/Emergency Exit.

Bigger question, how would they implement Emergency Exit if it's his only Pokemon? Would it just increase evasion or something temporarily once it reaches around 60%, or cause it to suddenly teleport out of a combo, or what?

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

The new F-Zero thing feels fake


I mean it's got Nintendo and Sega on it

Also no Switch or 3DS intro, I just noticed.

 

[StrangeMann]

The new F-Zero thing feels fake


I mean it's got Nintendo and Sega on it

Sega being involved isn't actually that unlikely due to F-Zero GX having their involvement. However there is no 3ds/Switch intro which is a red flag.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

The new F-Zero thing feels fake


I mean it's got Nintendo and Sega on it

Is this a throwback joke to F-Zero GX? or am I missing something?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Might be pushing it here since this wasn't coined until late summer 2017, but Sakurai could take inspiration from the anime and make Lycanroc "power up" whenever it takes a lot of damage without dealing any to its opponent. Kinda like a rage mechanic made specifically for Lycanroc. If not that, then I can't think of anything else from the top of my head.

Personally, I think it would be best if Sakurai kept it simple. Maybe not quite as simple as Greninja, but nothing too extravagant either. I'd rather see him focus on creating some unique specials instead of making a weird and convoluted gimmick that doesn't suit Lycanroc very well.

Isn't that basically Lucario's playstyle though?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Hypothetical time.

The Pokémon newcomer isn't Decidueye, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, or any of the other expected ones. Instead, it's Golisopod...but not just Golisopod. In the background, Guzma is giving Golisopod orders, and helps out in the Final Smash by allowing Golisopod to use its Bug Z-Move.

How would you react?

I ain't even mad


That's an amazing thought right there and would be nice to see a Bug type Pokemon this time around

 

[TonyMyOnly]

Don't al characters have a rage mechanic in 4?

 

[ReeseBalaski]

You fools. Guzma doesn't need Golisopod.

All he needs to do is say "Y'all are stupid!" and then he wins.