Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[viewtifulduck82]

I like Incineroar a lot. But I also know I would be really bugged if we got a second Fire starter before a single Grass starter.

I would too, but I would be even more bugged if we got a character solely to fill some imaginary quota.

 

[Kotor]

I still feel like the most likely Pokemon newcomer is Decidueye.

Or...maybe it's just the one I like the most.

It's been really up-played, like being used in Pokken Tournament, it fills that "Grass starter" position to go with Charizard and Greninja, it's a Ghost-type, which could bring some fun moves to the table, and it's an archer, which is a fighting style we haven't seen AS MUCH of in Smash Bros.

But Decidueye is just there. Sure, it's in Pokken, but neither the original or DX felt obligated to put Greninja and Jigglypuff in as playable characters. Really, if Pokken is going to be a reason to cite Decidueye's chances, then the entire Pokken roster all have an equal shot at getting into Smash. The starter trio quota is irrelevant. What if Squirtle and Ivysaur return to Smash Switch? Are people gonna be satisfied to get the starter trio with the Kanto starters, or would people be vouching for a grass and fire starter to restore "balance." Yeah, Decidueye could offer a new fighting style in archery, but it's not the only archer out there.

I know literally nothing about the Sun/Moon anime, so I wasn't sure which Pokemon were getting promoted through that.

I see. Well, the standouts from Sun and Moon I've been seeing are Rowlet, Incineroar, Lycanroc, and Mimikyu. The Pokemon Company is just not pushing Decidueye as much as Rowlet. Pokken kind of warped people's perception of Decidueye's chances.

Looking at the Sun and Moon anime, Ash owns a Rowlet, a Lycanroc, and a Litten. Ash's Lycanroc's is the Dusk form introduced in Ultra Sun and Moon. There was also that push during the pre-Sun and Moon days regarding a "secret power" to Rockruff (Lycanroc's pre-evolution). Said secret ended up being Rockruff could evolve to one of two forms of Lycanroc depending on the version you got.

Ash's Rowlet just sleeps in Ash's bag from what I'm seeing. Looks like it's the comedy relief of the show. Ash also owned a Litten which evolved into Torracat. There's a chance it may evolve to Incineroar going by this concept art of the Heel Pokemon that was leaked in the Summer 2016. Mallow wasn't revealed yet when the leak surfaced, and her official reveal made it more credible until a datamine of the game's demo confirmed it.

Mimikyu exploded in popularity the moment it was revealed. One poll has it only second to Rowlet. In the anime, one appears under the ownership of Team Rocket. Hates Pikachu.

There may be others, but those are the Sun and Moon Pokemon I'm aware of.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

No, but how the Pokemon get treated in the anime could help key us on who the next rep could be. Sakurai did say that promotion and who would be relevant in the anime help him with his decisions, and I think the Pokemon we've gotten so far reflect that. If the writers are pushing certain Pokemon in the anime, or if we see a boatload of promotional material and merch for the same Pokemon, then I think those guys are worth keeping an eye on.



She might have looked a lot more interesting if she had her trident, but yeah, it doesn't exactly scream Smash material. Her design itself still looks unique though. Definitely a huge improvement over previous Zora designs.

Ironically, the two least popular Champions (Daruk and Revali) would probably look the most unique to Sakurai if he went solely off of this.

Base on that I seriously don't understand why lycanroc is not being as focused on as very possible?
(Particularly the midnight form)

I mean that Pokémon is more promoted than any other gen 7 Pokémon out there even the pre-evolution is considered a starter

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Would be difficult and awkward to incorporate mimikyu's special traits.

Care to clarify? Because that just reads as I can' think of a Moveset for Mimikyu.

I'm also ok with getting over the Mimikyu talk because it's been back and forth for pages lol.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I might just be guessing here, but the lack of Popplio support probably has to do with the way it travels. Popplio and its evolutions don't have legs, but that's a rather feeble reason, as R.O.B. doesn't have legs either, and Bowser Jr. utilizes his Koopa Clown Car, which is also legless.

And the biggest sense of irony is that Primarina, last I've checked, is one of the top 5 most popular 7th generation Pokemon.

I’d imagine that they could run the same way Dribblee does in Kirby Star Allies, surfing on a small wave of water.
They might have to adjust Primarina’s proportions due to hurt box concerns, though.

One thing of note about that Japanese 7th gen poll is that it states the gender ratio of the support that each Pokémon got. Most of the top placers have more female voters than male (with Primarina having an especially large gender gap, 74.4% female) which... probably isn’t Smash’s target demographic, as awkward as it is to say that? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I’d imagine that they could run the same way Dribblee does in Kirby Star Allies, surfing on a small wave of water.
They might have to adjust Primarina’s proportions due to hurt box concerns, though.

One thing of note about that Japanese 7th gen poll is that it states the gender ratio of the support that each Pokémon got. Most of the top placers have more female voters than male (with Primarina having an especially large gender gap, 74.4% female) which... probably isn’t Smash’s target demographic, as awkward as it is to say that? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

While I don't know gender statistics when it comes to Smash and how Nintendo markets it, I would saying looking at Smash 4's newcomers there wasn't exclusively "Male focused" characters if you will. So I don't think this is something Sakurai and the team take into account. (If anything the increase in female fighters might have been an attempt to reach out to a more diverse audience. Or realizing waifu sells )

It is interesting to point out that the last two Pokemon newcomers (Greninja & Lucario) have definitely fit the "cooler" look which was why some of us were complaining for some cute Pokemon lol. But it could be an unfortunate trend.

 

[SonicMario]

I really have a good feeling that Mii Fighters are coming back. dem mii costumes making money for them

To add onto this, something came up recently that helped their chances even further. A data mine of the demo of Mario Tennis Aces

I poked around in the Aces' exe and found the text strings for the unannounced playable characters.
There's Diddy, Koopa Troopa, Para Troopa, Shy Guy, Kameck, Birdo, Spike, Boom Boom, Dry Bones, and Miis.
There's also a string for "Hone" (Bone in Japanese).#MarioTennisAces

— Blazingflare (@Blazingflare) May 25, 2018

Tennis Aces will have Miis Playable. This should address some of the doubts earlier that said Nintendo is not using them for any new games. Miis weren't even playable in Ultra Smash so it can't even be said they were ported over like for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. They were actively added into Aces.

Literally the only possible barrier they have now is if they're considered too tied to Custom Moves to return with them should they decide to drop much of that. But even then, there are possible workarounds on that. If Custom Moves return in anyway though, they're guaranteed.

 

[SlickWylde]

Enough about Lame-o-mon, let's change subjects (Just kidding, Pokemon isn't lame I just don't know anything about it so the whole conversation is over my head).

Let's pit possible fighter inclusions against each other, and see who you think would end up being included:

Machrider vs Track Meet char

Simon Belmont vs Bomber Man

Rex VS Camille (The girl from FE, not sure how you spell her name)

(one of the) BOTW Champions vs Impa

Waluigi vs Ridley

 

[MBRedboy31]

To add onto this, something came up recently that helped their chances even further. A data mine of the demo of Mario Tennis Aces

I poked around in the Aces' exe and found the text strings for the unannounced playable characters.
There's Diddy, Koopa Troopa, Para Troopa, Shy Guy, Kameck, Birdo, Spike, Boom Boom, Dry Bones, and Miis.
There's also a string for "Hone" (Bone in Japanese).#MarioTennisAces

— Blazingflare (@Blazingflare) May 25, 2018

Tennis Aces will have Miis Playable. This should address some of the doubts earlier that said Nintendo is not using them for any new games. Miis weren't even playable in Ultra Smash so it can't even be said they were ported over like for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. They were actively added into Aces.

Literally the only possible barrier they have now is if they're considered too tied to Custom Moves to return with them should they decide to drop much of that. But even then, there are possible workarounds on that. If Custom Moves return in anyway though, they're guaranteed.

Then he went back on himself shortly afterwards...

Mii's probably aren't playable. I thought they were at first since theres a text string for them right next to the playable character text strings.

— Blazingflare (@Blazingflare) May 25, 2018

 

[Murlough]

To add onto this, something came up recently that helped their chances even further. A data mine of the demo of Mario Tennis Aces

I poked around in the Aces' exe and found the text strings for the unannounced playable characters.
There's Diddy, Koopa Troopa, Para Troopa, Shy Guy, Kameck, Birdo, Spike, Boom Boom, Dry Bones, and Miis.
There's also a string for "Hone" (Bone in Japanese).#MarioTennisAces

— Blazingflare (@Blazingflare) May 25, 2018

Tennis Aces will have Miis Playable. This should address some of the doubts earlier that said Nintendo is not using them for any new games. Miis weren't even playable in Ultra Smash so it can't even be said they were ported over like for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. They were actively added into Aces.

Literally the only possible barrier they have now is if they're considered too tied to Custom Moves to return with them should they decide to drop much of that. But even then, there are possible workarounds on that. If Custom Moves return in anyway though, they're guaranteed.

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Pauline isn't in this? I figured she'd be a gaurantee after Odyssey's success.

Enough about Lame-o-mon, let's change subjects (Just kidding, Pokemon isn't lame I just don't know anything about it so the whole conversation is over my head).

Let's pit possible fighter inclusions against each other, and see who you think would end up being included:

Machrider vs Track Meet char

Simon Belmont vs Bomber Man

Rex VS Camille (The girl from FE, not sure how you spell her name)

(one of the) BOTW Champions vs Impa

Waluigi vs Ridley

1. No idea
2. Simon
3. Rex. Please don't add Camilla. Add Lyn or Celica if you want another FE character. Not her man. Just don't.
4. I'll vote a champion why not.
5. Oof. Waluigi.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I don't know precisely which Pokemon to expect as a newcomer this time around.

I just expect that it's gonna be one that's highly promoted and has a fair amount of popularity already. Can't go wrong there, right?

 

[SonicMario]

Then he went back on himself shortly afterwards...

Yeah... just literally saw that just now. God, now I kinda look silly if they really aren't. But it seems weird they'd have a text file for them in that case close to the playable characters.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Pauline isn't in this? I figured she'd be a gaurantee after Odyssey's success..

Honestly? This feels as if it was started before Odyssey was out.

It's always felt like the game the Tennis game on the Wii U was supposed to be.

 

[Zeox]

Alright but like I'm 100% sure they will add Freddie Freaker to smash, like, is super obvious.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Machrider vs Track Meet char

Don't really care. Track Meet seems more interesting but since the company that owned it went bankrupt in 2000, I doubt it'll happen.

Simon Belmont vs Bomber Man

Bomberman. I don't have a lot of history with the series, but I don't want Simon Belmont.

Rex VS Camille (The girl from FE, not sure how you spell her name)

Thing with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is that it probably came a bit late during Smash 5 development, which may hurt the chances of a fighter from that game being included. That said, I can see Rex and Pyra getting in as an easy DLC/update character. As for the other, I think you mean Camilla from Fire Emblem Fates? idk about the series that much so I can't say. She's more likely than Rex in the base roster by default though.

(one of the) BOTW Champions vs Impa

I doubt we're getting either, but I think Impa is more likely, for the base roster at least. The Champions I can see being incorporated into Zelda's moveset should she be updated to her The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild design.

Waluigi vs Ridley

Neither. With Sakurai directing this game, both of them are as good as deconfirmed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I personally see Decidueye getting in over Rowlet, simply because Decidueye seems to have more material to make a moveset.

Longer legs, larger wings, Grass type, Ghost type, Archer/Robin Hood design, etc.

This really has less to do with the fact that I would like to see Decidueye, and more with the fact that I think his design would go nicely with what we already have.

If we get Mimikyu (who I can just as easily see as a Pokeball) or Lycanroc, i’m sure i’ll be excited by their reveal regardless. I would just like to see Decidueye.

Notice that I didn’t say Decidueye was a shoe-in.

EDIT: As far as XC2 playable characters, the game itself started development in 2015. It’s not ruled out from having a playable character when development of the new Smash didn’t start until roughly mid-2016.

 

[Opossum]

Enough about Lame-o-mon, let's change subjects (Just kidding, Pokemon isn't lame I just don't know anything about it so the whole conversation is over my head).

Let's pit possible fighter inclusions against each other, and see who you think would end up being included:

Machrider vs Track Meet char

Simon Belmont vs Bomber Man

Rex VS Camille (The girl from FE, not sure how you spell her name)

(one of the) BOTW Champions vs Impa

Waluigi vs Ridley

Mach Rider. My second most wanted retro.

Simon Belmont. I'm riding the hype train after playing Castlevania.

Probably one of the only times I'd say Rex. Please no Camilla. Plus if she got in over Minerva I'd be sad since the latter is a much better character despite having no shot at Smash.

Daruk all the way baby.

Waluigi Time.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Yeah... just literally saw that just now. God, now I kinda look silly if they really aren't. But it seems weird they'd have a text file for them in that case close to the playable characters.

Perhaps, if they are playable in Aces, the game considers them to be in a special sort of class separate from the regular characters, which is why they’d be near but not with the other characters in the code. (Or it could’ve just been a scrapped feature that they forgot to remove. There has to be a reason why they’re mentioned at all in the code, right?)

 

[Zerp]

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Pauline isn't in this? I figured she'd be a gaurantee after Odyssey's success.

It's weird but not that weird, it's a Mario spin-off roster, those are always weird. Waluigi wasn't in Mario Kart 7 yet we got Queen Bee, Diddy Kong isn't in either version of Mario Kart 8, and I think Mario Party 10's speaks for itself.

Spike confirmed more important than Diddy Kong.

Alright but like I'm 100% sure they will add Freddie Freaker to smash, like, is super obvious.

Who could have guessed this was foreshadowing?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It’s not ruled out from having a playable character when development of the new Smash didn’t start until roughly mid-2016.

Except we don't know when Sakurai started Smash Switch. For all we know, it could have been in March 2016, which wouldn't be that much of a stretch given his "breather" comment.

Yeah... just literally saw that just now. God, now I kinda look silly if they really aren't. But it seems weird they'd have a text file for them in that case close to the playable characters.

I see no reason why there wouldn't be at least one of the Mii Fighters in Smash Switch. At most, I can see 2/3rds of them being cut.

 

[Zeox]

Who could have guessed this was foreshadowing?

I.... ehh... wait what did just.... how did this... what.

 

[Arcadenik]

Even as someone who was never against Duck Hunt and was happy to see him make it in, there are MANY differences here.

1) Track Meet is an incredibly obscure retro title while Duck Hunt was super well known.
2) Track Meet is owned by a third party company, not Nintendo.

You're asking for an obscure retro third party whose only claim to fame is a bundle that seemingly only existed in America. That's not the same thing as Duck Hunt at all.

I think Nintendo owns the rights to World Class Track Meet. Nintendo bought the rights to Family Fun Fitness Stadium Events and the original Power Pad from Bandai or Human Entertainment... at least in North America. Nintendo rebranded them as World Class Track Meet and the NES Power Pad. Nintendo had Stadium Events recalled and then repackaged as World Class Track Meet. That's how Stadium Events became one of the rarest NES games.

So... Stadium Events and the Power Pad may belong to Bandai or Human Entertainment... but World Class Track Meet and the NES Power Pad definitely belong to Nintendo. That's why they were able to be featured in that E3 2015 video along with other Nintendo-owned hardware and games (Nintendo definitely doesn't own the rights to the Power Glove).

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

EDIT: As far as XC2 playable characters, the game itself started development in 2015. It’s not ruled out from having a playable character when development of the new Smash didn’t start until roughly mid-2016.

If you're implying this could be a Greninja situation, where he was included despite Generation VI starting a year after the roster was finalized, I doubt it. Thing with Greninja was that a roster slot was set aside from the beginning so they could add a Gen VI Pokemon later on. We don't know if a similar thing would, or even could, happen with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (or ARMS for that matter). Plus the fact that it's entirely possible Rex and Pyra's designs weren't finalized during development. We may just have to wait and see, but I have my doubts.

Keep in mind this is simply talking about the base roster - Rex and Pyra I can see easily being included as DLC/update, given how much Sakurai enjoyed the game.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Would anyone be interested in a Obscure First Party Character Tournament Bracket, like the two Nimbostratus did?

I would be interested in running one if people wanted to do one. I really enjoyed the last one, and the statistics nerd in me likes tallying votes. Let me know and if I see enough interest I'll start polling for contenders.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Pauline isn't in this? I figured she'd be a gaurantee after Odyssey's success..

I don't know why fans, or Nintendo for that matter, are promoting Pauline so much considering she's an NPC who does just about as much as any other NPC in Super Mario Odyssey.

If anything I think Cappy would be included to represent that game.

 

[Arcanir]

As a quick aside, on the note of pre-SM promotion, here's what each Pokémon got:
Lycanroc: Had the two-shot Manga Pokémon Horizon, had its own exclusive Corocoro reveal that it shared with no other Pokémon.
Mimikyu: Had the Mimikyu rap, a promotional video that no other Gen 7 Pokémon got.
Decidueye: Showcased alongside the other starters, also had its Z-Move showcased.
Incineroar: Same as Decidueye

In terms of the games themselves, Lycanroc was used by Olivia and Kukui, Mimikyu was a Trial Pokémon, the other two are starters and with that comes their typical roles of being the player's first and the rival's ace.

Mimikyu was not that far behind Lycanroc (if it wasn't equal to begin with) when it came to the big push, it does seem like it was intended to be one of Gen 7's big stars.

 

[?????????????]

I would too, but I would be even more bugged if we got a character solely to fill some imaginary quota.

Which is why I would PREFER someone like Mimikyu or Lycanroc.

 

[Zeox]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

 

[osby]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

Considering how every Fire Emblem character except Marth got in, we'll probably won't get a new character. There was no new mainline release after Fates, as far as I know.

 

[?????????????]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

I wouldn’t be surprised if we got nothing new off the bat. The last new game was Fates, and we already have Corrin.

They COULD add Celica from Echoes, which was a remake. She’s a well-liked character that also appeared in FE Warriors.

Maybe they’ll add the next new protagonist as DLC if they’re interesting, like Corrin.

Or maybe they’ll expand with especially important or popular characters to really establish the series to Smash Bros., like Lyn or Anna.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

The only ones with a real chance of being playable are Lyn and Celica, but honestly, it seems fairly likely we won't get a new one this go around.

I sure as heck wouldn't complain if we got Celica or Lyn though.

 

[Opossum]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

I'm riding the Celica hype train and seeing where it goes. Choo choo.

 

[Fenriraga]

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Pauline isn't in this? I figured she'd be a gaurantee after Odyssey's success.


1. No idea
2. Simon
3. Rex. Please don't add Camilla. Add Lyn or Celica if you want another FE character. Not her man. Just don't.
4. I'll vote a champion why not.
5. Oof. Waluigi.

Not really. It took Rosalina a decent while to start showing up in spin offs more frequently. In fact, I don't think she really took off until the Wii U era with being in spin offs, before that it was only Mario Kart for her.

 

[Pazzo.]

I have a very important image regarding how Sakurai chooses characters.

As soon as I get out of Nintendo HQ alive.

 

[Zeox]

I have a very important image regarding how Sakurai chooses characters.

As soon as I get out of Nintendo HQ alive.

Nobody escapes from the Nintendo Headquarters alive.
RIP ~Pazzo~.

 

[Megadoomer]

Enough about Lame-o-mon, let's change subjects (Just kidding, Pokemon isn't lame I just don't know anything about it so the whole conversation is over my head).

Let's pit possible fighter inclusions against each other, and see who you think would end up being included:

Machrider vs Track Meet char

Simon Belmont vs Bomber Man

Rex VS Camille (The girl from FE, not sure how you spell her name)

(one of the) BOTW Champions vs Impa

Waluigi vs Ridley

I don't have the greatest track record of making accurate predictions, but I'll try.

1. Not really familiar with either character, but at least Mach Rider has gotten trophies in past games, so I'd go with him.

2. Bomberman. Personally, I'd prefer Snake over either of them, but Bomberman's had a successful revival on the Switch (selling better than every Bomberman game since Bomberman 64), so I feel like Konami would be more likely to push him.

3. Rex. Even Sakurai felt Corrin was pushing it as far as Fire Emblem characters go, while Xenoblade definitely has room for another character.

4. one of the Breath of the Wild champions. I have no idea who (the only Divine Beast I've finished so far is the Zora one, so I haven't been introduced to the others yet), but with Link being based on Breath of the Wild, I feel like most of the new Zelda content will come from that game

5. Ridley. Not sure how likely either of them are, but the demand for Ridley's been pretty consistent for 16+ years.

 

[Deathcarter]

Except we don't know when Sakurai started Smash Switch. For all we know, it could have been in March 2016, which wouldn't be that much of a stretch given his "breather" comment.

Wouldn't there be a pre-production period before the roster is finalized and actual development starts? Like for things like deciding the roster, finding out the Switch specs, getting info regarding Breath of the Wild content, securing rights for 3rd parties and non-EPD characters, and that stuff about the engine we heard about from that former Namco employee which was allegedly finished in August? We know from the Gematsu leak that Chrom and Chorus Kids were initially planned but ended up replaced and cut so I doubt the roster for Smash Switch was finalized immediately in March.

 

[Garteam]

Its funny you say that. I think you are just trying to find reasons to use against it.

If Nintendo didn't expect Mimikyu to be popular then they wouldn't have a song made shortly after their reveal.

The anime is not the be all end all for why a Pokemon should or shouldn't be in Smash. Mimikyu isn't just another Rocket mon.

I don't like the Wario thing either.

Tbf, Ash would have never got a Mimikyu. You can't really use "only Ash's mons are meant to be popular" when he would never have ended up with a Mimikyu. It going to Jessie is the natural next best thing for it in the anime. Just because Ash doesn't have it does not mean Mimikyu's chances are lower.

"Its popularity grew organicly and was unexpected." Ok, Gamefreak made a song for it. Why would they do that for somethibg they didn't expect to get traction. There is zero evidence backing your claim and plenty backing the contrary.

Unlike Slowpoke's and Magikarp's songs, the Mimikyu song did not have a unique animation or (official) english translation, hinting it was a lower budget thing done as a way to highlight Mimikyu's unexpected popularity post-reveal rather than being a massive advertisement that Sun/Moon hinged on.

Mimikyu already had traction by the time the song was released, as it was revealed 3 months prior. Whether or not they planned Mimikyu to gain traction is ultimately irrelevant, as the Mimikyu train was in full force by October 2016.

Ash's Pokemon are generally the most popular, as they are the Pokemon that the viewers see the most and the ones they ultimately root for in succeeding. That being said, plenty of Pokemon have been pushed despite Ash not owning them such as Munchlax, Togepi, or Zoroark. The difference being that a companion of Ash owned them or they had a major role in a film. We've never really seen a Team Rocket Pokemon be pushed as a popular character. The closest we got was Wobbuffet, where it was more or less a reoccuring joke in the series.

Also, I don't think Mimikyu needed to be Jessie's Pokemon. They could've easily attached it to a rival character in the vein of Gary or Paul if they wanted it to frequently fight with Pikachu. If anything, Mimikyu suffers from being a Rocket 'mon because its strapped to the commands of a less competent trainer.

Realistically, I'd say Mimikyu's best chances would be if the Smash Switch started as a port and became its own thing part way through development. That way Sakurai would be able to notice the unexpected popularity of Mimikyu and possibly put into the roster.

 

[Bowserlick]

I do believe Grass, Fire and Water starters count as a character and not simply a checkbox.

In nearly every pokemon game, the player must pick one of them. The player may have a favorite type they identify with and enjoy. Pokemon trainer included all three types, but forced the player to combat with all of them. By separately including each starter, players have the option of picking their preferred type.

 

[Roberk]

Question, I don't know much about Fire Emblem except that is very probably it will have new reps in this smash.
What FE characters have the bigger chances to be in smash?

Lyn's biggest factor, popularity, may have been proven too late in January 2017. Though if she doesn't make the base roster she'd be my strongest bet for E3. While Echoes did come out in Spring 2017, it was initially slated for Fall 2016 so Celica would fit into the project plan if Intelligent Systems met with Sakurai earlier. The FE16 lord is possible since it is coming out this year, but they are still a long shot.

And to anyone saying Celica shouldn't be considered because Echoes was a remake, it was more of a massive reimagining of the original NES game. It wasn't an Ocoraina of Time like remake, it was much more and a new game to many.