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I must be a horrible debater because the first thing I thought of when I came into this topic is "Why does it matter?"
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No. I am merely disagreeing with comments like "yeah it has lots of mindgames and its combo system is cool, its hard".Well you sure make it seem like it's garbage.
"amazing aerial mobility" is in almost every 2d game. It is your opinion that the aerial play is good though, not mine. I can pretty much name a few games where "amazing aerial mobility" happens.Anyways, I'd like to add a few thoughts on some of the things you said earlier...
Oh give me a break. Silent wolf is arguing that smash has amazing aerial mobility, not that aerial mobility exists in smash. Jigglypuff anyone? Ya know, the character that's based entirely on aerial mobility and spacing, because the producers created such a concise aerial-movement system which she's able to take advantage of?
Lol. Your definition of mindgame is not my definition of mindgame. My definition would be of Yomi. I'm sure you know what that is since you are so smart.Lol, wow. I like how you're actually arguing that one game has more mindgames than another. Props on the chess analogy though, it really convinced me.
Once again. . . your definition is not mine. And I do not consider Smash to have as MANY viable offensive or defensive as options as VF/GG.Mindgames are entirely person-dependant on any game that has more than the most basic structure of play. There's no limit to how many mindgames a game can have, due to the retardedly-broad definition of mindgames, so please don't try argue that one game has more than the other.
You know, it is top 3. Lowering it to top 10 just to make a point is pathetic.Anyways, that's all I've got for now.
How about something a little more reasonable, like top 10 in US? Who are you?
Lmao. Do you know what the topic is? It is the hardest game. I simply showed why IT IS NOT THE HARDEST GAME. You DO NOT need a pro to tell you a game is hard or not. Smash is pretty easy and I don't see any arguements why it would be hard. "amazing air mobility" anyone?I'm pretty sure this debate is dumb, because in order to actually debate anything with a real knowledge of the game and how it's played competetively, you would have to have a group of people that are all at like pro level, for every competetive fighting game out there. Which, from the posts I've seen in here, is obviously not the case.
Tell that to Roy mains. OH! I'M TOO GOOD!All characters in this game has to space,
GO>Chess imo.Chess is the hardest game.
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thank you, this thread is absurd.Chess is the hardest game.
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What do you base this on?I believe that smash is the deepest fighting game ever made
Rhetorical wobble.Let's quantify what we mean by "hardest." The only meaningful definition for a multiplayer game's difficulty is the skill gap between players. Do the top players consistently win? How frequent are upsets? To what extent do expert players dominate merely advanced players? Honestly the skill gap in Smash is not that high. Upsets are so common they are practically misnomers, and advanced players frequently, if not regularly, defeat "pros."
This does not happen in chess. At all. I was the best player at my high school, by far, yet my rating is only about 1500, a Class C player. Then you have Class B, Class A, Expert, Master, Senior Master, International Master, Grandmaster...a player in each class will practically never lose to a player from a lower class. The skill gap is so huge you can devote a lifetime to the game and only advance a couple of classes.
Chess is the deepest, most difficult multiplayer game ever. The End.
Perfect Hero said:Lol. Your definition of mindgame is not my definition of mindgame. My definition would be of Yomi. I'm sure you know what that is since you are so smart.
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Once again. . . your definition is not mine. And I do not consider Smash to have as MANY viable offensive or defensive as options as VF/GG.
Well that was easy. Thanks for clarifying my point.Luigi Ka-master said:Mindgames are entirely person-dependant on any game that has more than the most basic structure of play. There's no limit to how many mindgames a game can have, due to the retardedly-broad definition of mindgames, so please don't try argue that one game has more than the other[/b].
Perfect Hero said:Lmao. Do you know what the topic is? It is the hardest game. I simply showed why IT IS NOT THE HARDEST GAME. You DO NOT need a pro to tell you a game is hard or not. Smash is pretty easy and I don't see any arguements why it would be hard. "amazing air mobility" anyone?
Well that was easy. Thanks for clarifying my point.
First off, repeating what the other person argues multiple times really doesn't strengthen your argument. It kinda just makes you look dumb...
Anyways, before giving any more pointless reasons why you don't think smash is hard, I think some more definitions are in order.
What exactly are you saying makes smash easy?
Is it that the brilliant strategies pros come up with on the spot aren't really that brilliant, because the tech-skill and execution required doesn't always take a year of practice to be able to pull off in an actual match?
Or is it that the 1-player mode is pretty easy to beat? I'll agree with you there.
I'm pretty sure only pros can know just how hard a game is, because they are the ones that have gone deepest into the game, which obviously gives them a knowledge of just how much more there is to the game. (which is what makes them pro, and what makes amatuers amatuers). So therefore, you can't effectively argue about how hard a game is unless you're either
A: Under the impression that the definition of "hard" is how strenuous and time-consuming the techniques in the game take to learn
or B: Very up-to-par with the meta-game, and know everything there is to know about what's going on in what situations
I agree with this guy!Every 2-player game where each player has an equal chance to win is equally difficult, assuming all players have the same amount of time to study it. Equally difficult to win, at least.
But what are we talking about when we say "difficult", anyway? Difficult to play? Difficult to win? Difficult to learn? I personally would argue that simplicity makes a game better.
Oh, I'm sorry, I got thrown off by all the posts talking about why Smash is popular, the use of the phrase 'good fighting game', and so on... =/Desirable in a game is an oppinion. No need to tell me if it is desirable or not.
This thread is about the hardest game, not the most desirable game.
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Nah its cool you have your own oppinion. Just that after a post like yours, everybody after will mimic yours to a certain degree.Oh, I'm sorry, I got thrown off by all the posts talking about why Smash is popular, the use of the phrase 'good fighting game', and so on... =/
But, joking aside, why post that? It was clear I was speaking from a personal point of view, and I was speaking of the enjoyability of Smash as it relates to it and other games. What was your intention? Just feeling argumentative?
Ah, I see. All's cool.Nah its cool you have your own oppinion. Just that after a post like yours, everybody after will mimic yours to a certain degree.
You are right though.
Woooooooooow, you really really need to learn...period. "To get good at smash"? Is there some official level titled, "Good", after you've played the game for a certain amount of hours? Is that at the point where you can L-cancel and wavedash consistantly or something? Yup, that's the end. That's where it all stops. Once you've got those things down, you gain the right to say, "there's nothing left for me to learn. I am good."Oh my god. . .
1. How long does it take to get good in Smash?
-Compare that WITH OTHER ******* GOOD FIGHTING GAMES.
4. How much information is needed to play Smash?
-Compare that WITH OTHER ******* GOOD FIGHTING GAMES.
And no, broad definition of mindgame is your definition. I know what mindgames are. If you are unclear. Play OTHER ******* GOOD FIGHTING GAMES.
That's nothing to be joking about. That "the universe glitches over" level is hax.Pac-Man: Has anyone beaten it ? (thats a joke, if you dont understand good humor)