Smash Bros Direct on April 8th, 3pm PST!!

[N3ON]

Miis look fine graphically in Nintendo Land. It's not like this game is as detail-oriented in its characters as Brawl was anyway.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Opening up customization would only result in the cherrypicking of the best moves for competitive play, and no items, Mii only, Final Destination gameplay. I'd much prefer a general balancing of the others, and no customizable character whatsoever. If Mii's were given their own moveset they'd be far more justifiable, though they're still not my cup of tea. Still, if some people are fond of them I guess I see the desire.

I said major limit. If it was all cherry picking, Miis would be broken, and that would ruin all balancing properties that Sakurai wanted to implement in the first place. Of course, Id much rather have the Miis just have one unique move set and be done with it.

 

[Yonder]

Spoiler

Mii have limbs most of the time.

Still, liked EmberstoAshes just said, just look how graphically outdated they would be compared to everyone else. And I still don't like how they have circles for hands and feet.

 

[Katy Parry]

Why does everyone think a demo will happen?

Have we ever gotten a demo after a direct? I know we got the Resident Evil demo I believe for 3DS, but that's the only one I remember. Regardless, that wasn't a Nintendo published title or first party IP.

By the way, and I know this is slim to NONE,

But isn't Bravely Default considered a Nintendo title? Could we possibly see stuff from that game you think?

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Miis look fine graphically in Nintendo Land. It's not like this game is as detail-oriented in its characters as Brawl was anyway.

Nintendo Land has a rather soft palette and a much rounder feel to it - it was designed for Mii integration at its core. The Mii fits Nintendo Land because Nintendo Land was built around the Mii. SSB is a pre-existing series with a very different art style that I personally just don't feel the Mii gels with. There's absolutely no detailing to the avatars and there's bugger all they can do to make them look much less trashy than they do. They're a fine stand in for the games they're a prominent part in - I just don't think they're a good fit for SSB.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But the question is, can you truly say you'd enjoy seeing THAT fight alongside any of the characters currently in the game? It feels like they'd detract terribly from all of the graphical improvements.

Considering they would probably look like this... (graphically, not costume wise)

Yeah.

The picture was from 2006. Of course they will look better.

Still, liked EmberstoAshes just said, just look how graphically outdated they would be compared to everyone else. And I still don't like how they have circles for hands and feet.

THE PICTURE IS FROM 2006!!!

My gosh!

I guess we can't have Ridley because 2010 graphics are too outdated!

Honestly...

EDIT:

Besides!

 

[Katy Parry]

I hope they announce Wii Balance Board control options for Smash 4.

Um, duh. How else do you think you play as Wii Fit Trainer?

 

[SuperMii3D]

Still, liked EmberstoAshes just said, just look how graphically outdated they would be compared to everyone else. And I still don't like how they have circles for hands and feet.

Nintendo Land says Hi!

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Considering they would probably look like this... (graphically, not costume wise)

Yeah.

The picture was from 2006. Of course they will look better.


THE PICTURE IS FROM 2006!!!

My gosh!

I guess we can't have Ridley because 2010 graphics are too outdated!

Honestly...

The difference is Ridley has seen considerably graphical upgrading throughout the years. The Mii's look a little glossier around the edges and are shoehorned into varying suits depending upon the game. The Mii's themselves have had very little done to them since their conception.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Considering they would probably look like this... (graphically, not costume wise)

Yeah.

The picture was from 2006. Of course they will look better.


THE PICTURE IS FROM 2006!!!

My gosh!

I guess we can't have Ridley because 2010 graphics are too outdated!

Honestly...

EDIT:

Besides!

Nintendo Land is 2012

 

[Yonder]

Oh, and another complaint about Miis, I don't want to see a bunch of **** faces and Hitlers online either -.-

 

[andimidna]

Miis just don't look right compared to the other characters :/
Too lame, I hope it's not them

Spoiler

 

[Silvera]

Nintendo Land is 2012

He meant the other picture.

 

[N3ON]

You guys Mario doesn't hold up graphically, he can't be in Smash.

I really don't want Miis in Smash. But they're important, they're feasible, and graphics is a pretty terrible excuse. People just need to accept they're very likely. I just hope they don't show up on Tuesday.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Oh, and another complaint about Miis, I don't want to see a bunch of **** faces and Hitlers online either -.-

Oh geez. Its all about the faces. So Mario Kart online had Hitlers everywhere? I dont remember seeing one Hitler online.
EDIT-

He meant the other picture.

You mean, the very first Mii?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Nintendo Land is 2012

I meant the original default Mii picture.

Oh, and another complaint about Miis, I don't want to see a bunch of **** faces and Hitlers online either -.-

Never happend in Mario Kart or any other online game.

Won't happen now.

Unless you're implying a lot of things about the Smash fanbase.

The difference is Ridley has seen considerably graphical upgrading throughout the years. The Mii's look a little glossier around the edges and are shoehorned into varying suits depending upon the game. The Mii's themselves have had very little done to them since their conception.

 

[Silvera]

You mean, the very first Mii?

Yeah, that one.

 

[Yonder]

Oh geez. Its all about the faces. So Mario Kart online had Hitlers everywhere? I dont remember seeing one Hitler online.

I've seen my fair share of **** faced Miis and Hitlers online actually. Only reason why there wasn't more of them is due to Funky + Flame Runner. If Miis ended up broken with a custom movesets...expect those faces all day long online.

 

[SuperMii3D]

I meant the original default Mii picture.


Never happend in Mario Kart or any other online game.

Won't happen now.

Unless you're implying a lot of things about the Smash fanbase.

Ok, yeah I know which one.

 

[RelaxAlax]

Whether we like it or not, Miis are happening. This direct would be a perfect time for such a reveal too. However, I think this direct will highlight the games key differentiator, akin to Mario Kart 8's gravity gimmick. Although not as extreme, I wager it'll reveal new gameplay mechanics we have even yet to conjure.

Also, if Miis aren't in, I'll be delighted to see that "Leaky 3" rumor lay to rest (Do not reply to this and argue with me, not the place for it.). But also because they are so bland. But they are a big part of Nintendo History, so there's that.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

You guys Mario doesn't hold up graphically, he can't be in Smash.

You're ignoring the point made rather than actually formulating a worthwhile argument. Mario is incomparable considering you're trying to form a correlation between my point and an ancient Mario sprite. Seriously. All I'm saying is the Mii's as characters have no personality of their own to speak of, no particular moveset within their games that other characters/items don't already perform (baseball bat, boxing gloves, all of Nintendo Land...) and look goddawful when compared to every other character on the roster. They are detailess avatars and in my opinion don't gel with any of the current art style, and with no actual personality to root for I can't see any redeemable qualities.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I've seen my fair share of **** faced Miis and Hitlers online actually. Only reason why there wasn't more of them is due to Funky + Flame Runner. If Miis ended up broken with a custom movesets...expect those faces all day long online.

You are quite literally the first person I have seen that actually had that problem.

 

[Kenith]

Honestly, most arguments explaining why Miis won't/can't/shouldn't be included are not really that sound. You guys are missing the biggest issue with them. I strongly believe that they would over-saturate the online community, to the point where all of the other unique, interesting characters the team worked so hard on will almost never be used.

I've said this before, and I'm going to say it until those guys are either confirmed, or deconfirmed.

 

[DarrylTrainer]

I want Miis to be in. They're a huge part of Nintendo's history now and they deserve a spot. That's what I like about Smash, is that it brings everyone together, no matter what they look like. I love that there are different styles in the same game. It's cool and interesting to see them interact. I don't necessarily want them revealed in the Direct, but if it happens to be one of the newcomers announced tomorrow, I'm good.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Really, most of the arguments against Mii I see are incredibly biased and don't actually make good points.

There's like two I've seen that stand up.

1. Sakurai viewing them as concepts according to a past interview (though that could easily change)
2. Possible Lack of Identity (Even then, it's a bit relative)

Look, do I want Miis?

Uh... Kinda? I want lots of other character more.

In the end I don't really care, but stupid and biased logic irritates me.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Whether we like it or not, Miis are happening. This direct would be a perfect time for such a reveal too. However, I think this direct will highlight the games key differentiator, akin to Mario Kart 8's gravity gimmick. Although not as extreme, I wager it'll reveal new gameplay mechanics we have even yet to conjure.

Also, if Miis aren't in, I'll be delighted to see that "Leaky 3" rumor lay to rest (Do not reply to this and argue with me, not the place for it.). But also because they are so bland. But they are a big part of Nintendo History, so there's that.

Personally, I think the rumor is false. It's improbable, but I think the dude saw the trailer early. Guessed Little Mac because of the boxing ring, Pac-Man because Namco is involved, and Mii because Nintendo tends to shove them in the crevasse of every game they make.

Then again I could just be kidding myself.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

inb4 Warning Recieved

*gets infraction*

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

If Miis are playable then we could make them look like the characters that otherwise didn't make it into Sm4sh.

Also I want to pit my Reggie Mii against a Miyamoto Mii to see whose body truly is ready.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Really, most of the arguments against Mii I see are incredibly biased and don't actually make good points.

There's like two I've seen that stand up.

1. Sakurai viewing them as concepts according to a past interview (though that could easily change)
2. Possible Lack of Identity (Even then, it's a bit relative)

Look, do I want Miis?

Uh... Kinda? I want lots of other character more.

In the end I don't really care, but stupid and biased logic irritates me.

As far as avatars go, we've got one in already in the form of Villager, and thankfully he's got a nice unique little moveset by the looks. If the Mii's were to join him that's two player-substitutes - characters with no established personality but what you choose to make them. Consider then the WFT's lack of personality (and I like the WFT, and her moveset, but again she's not a 'character' per-se) and I begin to question why we'd not just miss the Mii's entirely in place of an extra fan favourite. As aforementioned, oversaturation could also be a problem online - nobody wants to fight Mii's all day long.

 

[N3ON]

You're ignoring the point made rather than actually formulating a worthwhile argument. Mario is incomparable considering you're trying to form a correlation between my point and an ancient Mario sprite. Seriously. All I'm saying is the Mii's as characters have no personality of their own to speak of, no particular moveset within their games that other characters/items don't already perform (baseball bat, boxing gloves, all of Nintendo Land...) and look goddawful when compared to every other character on the roster. They are detailess avatars and in my opinion don't gel with any of the current art style, and with no actual personality to root for I can't see any redeemable qualities.

I was making fun of those saying the Mii looks terrible graphically and using a picture from 2006 as proof.

First off, personality does not contribute towards chances either positively or negatively. There are a number of silent protagonists lacking personality who have winded up in Smash.

Second, of course they have things to work with not already seen in Smash. We have one character who wields a sword, yet that didn't stop several others being added in addition. There is more than one way to use a weapon/item. I'd wager you could go to the Mii thread and find several movesets that don't resemble anything that currently exists in Smash.

Third... if you think graphics are going to prevent the inclusion of the central character from Nintendo's biggest IP since Pokemon, you are underestimating Sakurai, who apparently worked tirelessly to get a third-party to fit aesthetically with the rest of the cast just because his friend asked him to. If characters as diverse as Kirby, Samus, Pikachu, Marth, G&W, and Snake can all mesh style-wise in one game, Mii won't have any trouble.

Their redeemable qualities are their prevalence in Nintendo's current stable of games, the success of their games, the popularity they have among the casual, and their potential for diversity (it does exist).
And this is coming from someone who really really doesn't want to see them. That doesn't mean we should ignore the reality of the situation.

At this point this discussion is better off had in the Mii thread though.

 

[UncleAndross]

Some commenter on NintendoLife just said that Monolith Soft tweeted to watch the Direct. I can't find their twitter though...can anyone comment on this?

 

[Saito]

Call me crazy.

But I just don't like "Mii" in general.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Not saying Mii's are gay, but if you are a Mii, you seem like the type of person who likes to please other men sexually.

 

[Nintendotard]

Here it is! Can't wait to see how wrong I'll be! xD

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

My only real beef with the mii's, and pacman to a much lesser extent, is that many have just accepted them as an inevitability for so long. Pretty much accepting them as fact, when I don't think any newcomer should be seen as that until we know for sure.

I would hope if the mii is in, that they would save it for E3 to be among multiple reveals since a direct aimed at us isn't quite the right place for it IMO.

 

[Starcutter]

Basically any discussion here is better off in a different thread, but that's what direct/game/announcement hype threads are about.

Buying time until it happens.

Can't people see that? This thread's going to be locked a couple days after the direct anyways, so does it really matter?


#laidbacklegend

 

[Hinata]

Not saying Mii's are gay, but if you are a Mii, you seem like the type of person who likes to please other men sexually.

You know, I don't have anything against Miis in Smash, and I don't like it when people say they shouldn't be in, but I gotta admit, that line was pretty good.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Not saying Mii's are gay, but if you are a Mii, you seem like the type of person who likes to please other men sexually.

I'm going to play as the Mii so that I can beat you off

line.

 

[Saito]

My only real beef with the mii's, and pacman to a much lesser extent, is that many have just accepted them as an inevitability for so long. Pretty much accepting them as fact, when I don't think any newcomer should be seen as that until we know for sure.

I would hope if the mii is in, that they would save it for E3 to be among multiple reveals since a direct aimed at us isn't quite the right place for it IMO.

Call me even crazier.

But I'd rather have Mii's in than Pacman.

 

[PadWarrior]

Honestly, most arguments explaining why Miis won't/can't/shouldn't be included are not really that sound. You guys are missing the biggest issue with them. I strongly believe that they would over-saturate the online community, to the point where all of the other unique, interesting characters the team worked so hard on will almost never be used.

I've said this before, and I'm going to say it until those guys are either confirmed, or deconfirmed.

Pretty much how I feel.