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Would you show me a video please?
Ah no...Work Robots show up in 4 places in Super Metroid/Metroid: Zero Mission and each time they show up...I would have rather had them dead than just moved them out of the way...they are clearly meant to get in the way...
Discharge from the speed booster's shine spark actually...as in hitting the wall and then the after image of energy slams into them...it kills them in one hit...
Which has been my point in the 1st place…but adds on…how come they didn’t also keep in the invincibility part of it?
Those Flashing lights Samus while speed boosting is making are just “energy” from her running at those speeds (again…it is another thing that makes sense…not invincibility) you can see her discharge that energy as well if you shine spark into something…
The only Metroid games I haven’t beat are Prime 2, and Hunters…
Well…I could always argue that work robots are future based technology…but I would rather just point out more foes that Samus can’t bowl over easily with just the speed booster…
Show me how they don’t work the same (Link “guarding” and Peach “guarding”)
And? It’s not like Peach isn’t getting her power from Perry as well…in case you didn’t see that point and how he is linked to Peach’s MP meter in that game…Sure Peach has her own powers…that isn’t my point…but I’ve never seen her use the vibe powers w/o some help…
It’s not like that at all…your thinking of the parasol’s as comparing a shotgun to a handgun…but they aren’t like that at all…
Peach was never affected by the vibe scepter…maybe you should play the game…
Yeah…it’s such a shame that Ness/Lucas have their unexplained powers anyway though huh?
Have you even played the Mother games? Just wondering...because I have to know how you think Ness/Lucas couldn't perform PK Fire when they have a universe threat power...
That doesn't bloody matter...how come you people can't take what is said by the game as proof w/o having to see everything? If they weren't unable to do it...they wouldn't bring it up in the 1st place...
I wonder how many of Yink's powers break the rules? Because last I checked...the masks he uses happen to have a "spirit" in them...
Yes, I have. And nowhere in the game AT ALL, does it even hint that Ness and Lucas can use PK Fire. And at the end of both games, when we can't do anything else, neither of them still knows PK fire. Which concludes that for purposes of this thread, neither of them can use PK fire. The assumption that they might be able to learn PK fire doesn't overcome the fact that they never learn PK fire, as well as the other PKs.
They don't have spirits in them, they have the essences of each race. Goron's mask has the essence of the Gorons (the fact that he looks like Darunia is because he was the one used to create the mask). Same goes for the Deku kid (son of the butler) and the Zora (guitarist whom I forgot the name, started with an 'M' I think...). The fierce Deity mask states there is a spirit inside, but the spirit doesn't count as "backup" since Link uses the power as his own.
you forgot what we were talking about right =/
It's linked because Bowser or the enemies don't need MP. It's quite clearly a game mech
They are completly different though =/
You don't get it =/
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Not quite. You need them to acquire a Missile Tank in the Wrecked Ship, as well as acquire a Reserve Tank, which is also in the Wrecked Ship. Without them, it would not be possible to use the Speed Booster and fly straight up.
I don't know, but my lack of knowledge doesn't prove Samus isn't invincible. You would only be making an argument from ignorance. Super Metroid is not contrary with Metroid Fusion. Just because it said something in one thing, while it's not saying it in another, doesn't mean that it's no longer a part of what the Speed Booster can do.
Those "flashing lights" are just in shoes that flash when you walk or run. Have you ever owned a pair? Anyway, it says "invincible." You're trying too hard to change the word. Here.
The two do not function in the same way. The Spin Attack is weaker than the Screw Attack. Maybe. The beam weapons you have make the Spin Attack much stronger. This is proven in Metroid Fusion. There are certain enemies that I was unable to kill with the Spin Attack when all I had was the Charge Beam. But when I acquired the Plasma Beam, those same enemies were instantly killed when I used the Spin Attack on them later. I was even able to harm Ridley-X. Besides, if you charge up your beam weapon and you hit an opponent who won't die, the both of you take damage, and the Spin Attack is canceled out.
In the Metroid Manga, Samus easily punches through a Work Robot.
Because, during the time they are in their shell, they are impervious. Bombs can only kill them. I'm sure you read that part, though.
Well, thunder-type stuff in his game do more damage to flying stuff. Pit doesn't seem to have any rock/ground elements to make it so that Thunder does no damage, and he DOES fly... So, I would think that it could be said that Thunder would do more damage against Pit, even though Pit isn't "weak against thunder"... What do you guys think?
Yeah well, it's still a source... Kid Icarus also was on the Gameboy, but I never played it. Anyone know more of this?
1 Barrel is equal to 8 Bottles. Instantaneous health restoration.
Actually, Pit has quite a few stuff he can use to heal himself with.
I know. I was there.
He wasn't blessed by Ashera
Again…like I said before…the foes in EB that are based off of Ness…happen to have psi abilities that he doesn’t use…those abilities that he can’t use are unable to be used because logically…he has them sealed away…
I like how you think I never thought of that...even though I keep trying to explain that the dragon's power becomes Ness/Lucas'...you know...because it does...you know...because they are linked in spirit...
I can’t believe you don’t think the masks are self-conscious…have you looked at Majora’s Mask? That spirit in that sure seems conscious enough if you ask me…what with the whole wanting to destroy the world thing…
I wonder why Ike's blessing isn't banned then...that thing is only around because the goddess made it as such...w/o it Ike is just seen as a normal human that has reached the max physical limit for many traits that deal with humans…
I think you forgot...
Fine...whatever...I still think that the only reason Peach can use them is because of Perry and the fact that she is on a magic island...
I think you missed my 1st point...as far as parasol's go...The one in SPM is only seen as a "normal" parasol...if you think it isn't normal...please show me proof...
I think you are the one who doesn’t get it…I didn’t really care if they could shoot fire underwater…I was just trying to point out that the “fire” they use isn’t really fire when you look at that…
If Pit can do all that, he should've beaten Ike. Pit has got his own blessed weapons, so he should be able to damage Ike. Link also isn't blessed by Ashera, but he's got his own universe's Gods with him. So that should make Link be able to beat Ike as well.
Link's goddess does not make him invincible. She blesses him, yes, but that doesn't mean that Link has the power to hurt those with invincibility (no matter how they got it).
The foes in EB that are based off of ness are BASED off of Ness, which means they are SIMILAR. They might have things Ness doesn't have, ever assumed that? And the point still stands rigidly: assumptions are assumptions. Giving Ness PK Fire and all the other PKs he doesn't have (as well as Lucas), when nowhere in the game does Ness/Lucas use PK fire EVER, means it's NOT "true to their games".
It tells me that he's a nice guy, and none of the foes are nice guys.
Sorry, but no. YOU have the whole "spirit" thing mixed up, as well as all the "true to their games" thing mixed up.
What makes you think they are linked in spirit, may I ask? If anything, their only similarities is that they're both the protagonists, and they have similar PSI abilities, as well as where the game states their abilities to come from.
So, if an entity that becomes your own power AND ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE FREELY is banned, what makes you think that an entity that becomes your own power AND IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE FREELY isn't banned?
It got banned for another reason, too, besides it being backup. Remember the whole "you can't take it into battle in the game at all times" thing? How can you assume what Lucas can do with the Dragon if all it shows is it destroying the world and leaving everyone alive afterwards? I don't recall the Dragon having other options in the game besides "Yes/No" when you were going to pull the needle or not. Lucas never wished for anything directly either, the Dragon just understood what Lucas wanted deep in his heart and fulfilled it anyway it could. It both sounds like its own entity, as well as NOT something you can use freely.
Yeah, MAJORA'S MASK, not Goron's, Zora's, Deku's, Fierce Deity's. Majora's is the only one with a consciousness, but every other one is like, a mask with magic that turns you into a copy of the one who was used to create the mask.
Because the Goddess blessed him (I'm pretty sure she blessed his armor and sword and not his skin, though, so I dunno how he's gotten so many wins), and Ike could use it whenever. It wasn't that the Goddess was doing all sorts of stuff for Ike in his fights, the only thing she did was bless her armor. If we went and followed your logic, Samus would be banned because her armor was made by the Chozo, Ness/Lucas would be banned because their powers come from something that isn't themselves, Ganondorf would be banned because the Triforce wasn't his, Pit would be banned because the Gods give him everything that made him a main character in his game, hell HALF the roster would be banned because they've been affected by outside influences! The difference bwteen your statement and mine? Yours implies that every external power that aids the main character into becoming what they are is an indirect "back-up", when in reality, without those back-ups, they wouldnt've been the heroes of their games. Lucas beat everyone including the other "PK Love" user, and thus was the only one able to pull the needle, making HIM already the hero of his game. He pulled the needle to finish the story off. Why couldn't he just leave the needle be, if the one who pulled the most needles was the one the Dragon granted the desires of? The whole world could've still been there, but oh well, let's destroy it anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9YZboYrJY
That counts as backup, and it's not allowed, sorreh.
I was honestly talking about the vibe spector, I think we got lost along the way..
I doubt Perry had anything to do with it, he seemed more like a weapon than a...I forget the name, but you know what I mean, right?
How about you show me proof that it isn't? All of what your saying are basless claims, you don't have proof to back it up, as they say since you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you (what is this? A court room xD), it's quite clear normal parasols aren't good defenders, period, they can't make you glide either
I know you were using example, I just went with that particular one.
Again, that sounds awfully a lot like Def and Sp.Def, you think magic is logical? She can defend against Kamek's wand spell thing, I wouldn't call that spell "logical"
I thought Lucas only did PK love.
o_o
Well, Lucas already did what he needed to do: he saved the world from Pokey, found his bro, avenged his mom, and there was going to be no tyranny... All it needed was the people of the island to go back to their normal lives, and everything would've been OK. I see the whole "pulling of the last needle" as an appropriate ending to the game's story, since it would leave the game feeling 'unfinished' if he didn't pull the last needle after searching for it and fighting for who pulls it first. If anything, his heart's desires were to have his mother and brother back alive, and revert the world to the way it was without Pokey ever touching it.
