Smash 1.1.5 Ganon Changes

[Ray_Kalm]

Post all changes here, I'll update.

Z1GMA you'll love this.

Jab is faster in many ways and doesn't connect vs characters it use to after non teched flame choke, but characters like Sheik and others could be hit now.

Ganondorf's Jab has less startup/end lag than before.

Jab hitbox 7-8 from 8-9, damage to 6/8/10 from 4/7/10

Jab: Startup Sweetspot/Sourspot: 8F/7F -> 7F/6F Damage: 7/10/4 -> 8/10/6 Hitbox X Position: 12/18/7 -> 11/19/7

Dash Attack Total Frames: 41F -> 37F

Wizard's Foot: 1Ground Damage: 12/12/10 -> 14/12/12Hitbox Z Position: -1/-3/-4 -> 0/-3/6

Wizard's Dropkick (Custom 1):Damage: 10/10/9 -> 12/12/11Hitbox Z Position: 1/-1/6 -> 0/-1/8

Wizard's Assault (Custom 2):Damage: 9/9/7 -> 11/11/9Hitbox Z Position: -1/-3/4 -> 0/-3/6

Flame Choke:Air Grabbox X Position: 5.5 -> 7.5Ground Grabbox X Position: 5.2 -> 7.2

Flame Wave (Custom 1):Air Grabbox X Position: 6 -> 8Ground Grabbox X Position: 5.2 -> 7.2

 

[Eclipse_]

Ganon Buffs KreyGasm

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/4alr5r/new_patch_for_super_smash_bros_wii_u3ds_ver_115/

Apparently his usmash was buffed to 24 uncharged

 

[mgleed]

Remember this? http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/...ther-outside-fixes-improve-online-experience/ You never know...

This was from a post in early February. For all you doubters.

 

[verbatim]

Ganondorf's up smash was 24/24/21 in 1.1.4

 

[LoveExpert]

Did the jab's knockback get changed at all? Also with the new up-air, would it be easier to gimp with?

 

[Opana]

I noticed jab immediately, so hyped right now!

 

[[BROF]]

I'm so happy about Jab. It might never return to its melee glory, but having a better jab will do wonders in neutral.
Also hello everybody, long time lurker finally poster here.

 

[mgleed]

I noticed jab immediately, so hyped right now!

Repent, Opana, and return to your brotherhood.

 

[Garo]

After every patch I've immediately checked if the endlag on Warlock Thrust has been lessened. Still not the case, but I'm glad for the jab buff.

 

[Koskinator]

I noticed jab immediately, so hyped right now!

Psh get back to corrin social you scum

 

[Gold_TSG]

Oh my god my hype can't take it

 

[A2ZOMG]

Jab frame data I'm pretty sure is hits 7-8, FAF 29

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Down B beats stuff


This is it boys

 

[GerudoKong]

Slightly faster run speed? I can't tell to be honest.

 

[Rob_TH]

What I like the most about this patch is that now, side B to tech chasing down B may be a really good setup to kill.
Trying against a DDD CPU, with 150% rage I killed him at 100% at the edge, I guess it can be even a little bit earlier

 

[link2702]

Ganons uair buff is Incredible.... It's easier than ever before to gimp people with it.

 

[jacksonTown]

I'm almost positive that Bayo, Corrin, and Cloud can now be Down-titled after a missed Flame Choke Tech.

 

[Theosmeo]

Wizkick shockwave(landing) does 8% now, from 2-3% to 8%...


MMMM shield stun

Uair in high % neutral is a new meta btw, kills ZSS at 110% center stage

 

[A2ZOMG]

Complete Ganon changes.

Jab hitbox 7-8 from 8-9, damage to 6/8/10 from 4/7/10, FAF 29 from 35, very small range increase
Ground Wizkick damage to 12/14 from 10/12 (2 damage increase also applies to both customs)
Flame Choke and Flame Wave 2 unit horizontal range increase (this helps Flame Choke near edge)
DA FAF 38 from 42

 

[probationsmack]

I'm getting a sh dair autocancel effect in training. Or at least the lag is much less than a regular hop dair

its a very strict window requiring a fastfall and i question the practicality of the hitbox, and for some reason its easier to buffer tilts/smashes out of it than jab.

 

[JmacAttack]

Wizkick shockwave(landing) does 8% now, from 2-3% to 8%...

Holy ****.

 

[jacksonTown]

Slightly faster run speed? I can't tell to be honest.

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Theosmeo]

Wait does the increased damage on landing wizkick make it break shields?

 

[Swoops]

Shockwave always did 8% guys. You're looking at the start up frames on Kurogane.

So we're sure that jab is frame 7 now? Was hoping for frame 6 but I guess we made progress ^_^. Also I found it almost impossible to get that 6% hitbox on the jab. Was always getting 8% or 10%.

Interesting stuff on the increased Flame Choke range...

 

[Theosmeo]

Shockwave always did 8% guys. You're looking at the start up frames on Kurogane.

Really? crud sorry my placebo

 

[JoJoVS]

Has dgrab down b always combo'd at low percents?

 

[mgleed]

Shockwave always did 8% guys. You're looking at the start up frames on Kurogane.

So we're sure that jab is frame 7 now? Was hoping for frame 6 but I guess we made progress ^_^. Also I found it almost impossible to get that 6% hitbox on the jab. Was always getting 8% or 10%.

Interesting stuff on the increased Flame Choke range...

A2's been explaining the choke range shouldn't be a huge change and should make the biggest difference when you choke your opponent near the ledge, making it harder for them to DI to grab the ledge. I misunderstood it at first as the movement range, but it's just the grab hitbox.

And yeah, Jab is frame 7.

 

[Eclipse_]

Has dgrab down b always combo'd at low percents?

yeah it has, I found this out after getting grabbed by a Ganon CPU, who did down throw to down b, and it worked at lower percents, so I tried it myself, and it seemed to work. It's been around for a while, not new to this patch for sure

 

[JoJoVS]

yeah it has, I found this out after getting grabbed by a Ganon CPU, who did down throw to down b, and it worked at lower percents, so I tried it myself, and it seemed to work. It's been around for a while, not new to this patch for sure

Alright, cool thanks. New to the boards for sure so I'll check my info better from here on.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Dash attack appears to have reduced endlag as well.

 

[adom4]

Also the biggest buff didn't gte mentioned here, Sheik got nerfed pretty hard.
If she can't 50-50 us anymore i can see the MU being not horrible, we will live forever.

 

[Gold_TSG]

I think I'm gonna faint from all this Dorf glory...

 

[Shmeckie]

That new jab...

It's amazing the difference one frame makes.

 

[adom4]

We might need to retest jab after choke, did any of the follow ups change?

 

[Gold_TSG]

Brothers of Darkness, today begins a new era. With this new power our Dark Lord has bestowed upon us, let us banish the light from Smash once and for all, and redefine our place on their lists. Spread your darkness, instill fear into all those before you, and praise the Dark Lord's name!

 

[Shmeckie]

We might need to retest jab after choke, did any of the follow ups change?

Jab works as a follow-up on Sheik, Ike, and the Pits now.

 

[DarkFox207]

Hey guys I don't post often but when I do I have the goodies

Also down throw to jab works on heavyweights at 0% and does 16% ( 2 hit combo)

And since dash attack got less endlag. I was testing some combos and it found this

https://youtu.be/ZOGhfYw9NrA

 

[Z1GMA]

Post all changes here, I'll update.

Z1GMA you'll love this.

Jab is faster in many ways and doesn't connect vs characters it use to after non teched flame choke, but characters like Sheik and others could be hit now.

Ganondorf's Jab has less startup/end lag than before.

Jab hitbox 7-8 from 8-9, damage to 6/8/10 from 4/7/10

Ground Wizkick damage to 12/14 from 10/12 (2 damage increase also applies to both customs)

Flame Choke and Flame Wave 2 unit horizontal range increase

Ganondorf's up-air angle now sends more horizontal, similar to his F-tilt.

Ganondorf's Down B, Wizard's Foot, does 2% more on the early and late hits and as a result kills earlier!

JAB?? REALLY?? That's so nice!! Wow!

Uair: Cool. More stage-spikes and more gimps during Off-stage-battles --I'll take it!

 

[Z1GMA]

never mind

 

[adom4]

JAB?? REALLY?? That's so nice!! Wow!

Uair: Cool. More stage-spikes and more gimps during Off-stage-battles --I'll take it!

Uair didn't change, it was a placebo.
Dash attack changed too, FAF: 42->38, apparently sourspot DA can kill confirm now as well.