Marshy, I wasn't attempt to answer
for mentos, and it wasn't scumhunting either. I was defending mentos because I feel the FoS on him by Rockin is undeserved, given [post 217]. Rockin could be attempting to defend you as one of our stronger players if he's scum and knows that you're town, so that you'd be more inclined to go for mentos than him. Given mentos'
post 568, where he basically makes the case he was expecting you to make, I can understand why he would be suspicious. Kev makes almost the exact same point
in post 596. I'm not saying you're scum, but I am saying that a FoS just for being suspicious of you is reaching.
Alright, so I did a topic reread, focusing on several people specifically. Here's what I've got so far.
Riddle said:
Omni in my opinion has actually helped town so far. The question about roles was obviously a bad one, but OMni got us out of the RVS very quickly and has over all contributed much more than many people. Including you.
We now know that Riddle was Yakuza, so I find that he's willing to defend Omni/steel/karthik (from now on abbreviated as O/s/k) so strongly pretty bad. Riddle jumped onto Cacti pretty quickly after Cacti put O/s/k at L-2, and it was after Cacti unvoted that Riddle posted the above. Looks like he was trying to make sure Cacti didn't go back onto O/s/k later.
Rockin said:
Obviously he was excited about his role, but I'm not sure why. For now, I'm keeping Omni off my mind as a possible scum.
Skimming. The problem at the beginning of the game with O/s/k was that he hadn't realized that we'd gotten our role PMs at all. How could he be excited about something he didn't realize that he had.
steel said:
If he is town, which I believe he is, we don't know that he will definitely be nk'd.
Heck, he could be baiting the nk and his role could actually be army veteran/paranoid gun owner.
This post definitely stood out to me. We know now that Cacti was town. This seems like an attempt to determine whether Cacti
could counter a kill, by getting him to answer the second sentence.
Riddle said:
Why is Steel playing the newb card for Cacti after expressing his dislike for it?
I feel like this is a valid point, even though it came from Riddle. After all, the mafia can't ignore each other completely in the game, otherwise they'd be found out. This may be an attempt to make a little link to O/s/k, without really pushing anything on him. In the very next sentence Riddle drops the issue.
steel said:
Alright, mentos pretty much convinced me.
And unless someone can convince me otherwise, my vote shall stay on cacti for today.
unvote vote: Cacti
This comes from steel, after spending the
majority of the day going against a Cacti lynch, saying that he believed his claim, that Cacti was probably town, and that his power could be useful for town. However, by the time he posts this, the only other viable lynch left is Riddle.
steel said:
I voted for Riddle to see if we could get any more out of him, I was the sole person to vote Jungle (not at all convinced he's town however), but now pretty sure I want you lynched.
Kevin why are you not putting him at L-1? Didn't you say you were comfortable with his lynch? Or would you prefer Riddle?
He clearly jumps ship here now that Riddle is the only other viable lynch. What I think happened is that steel voted Riddle in order to distance them, but when he saw that the lynch was going Riddle's way he panicked and changed his tune, justifying it with "yeah mentos is right."
Gheb said:
Right now I'm most suspicious of Steel. His reasoning for voting Riddle was poor and could've easily been just a move of scum to gain credibility. Apparently he could point out "10 scumtells in everything Cacti posts" but still prefer to vote Riddle. After Cacti's claim he kept nudging without voting him, which is a typical scum move: being the driving force behind a BW/lynch but then not actually vote him until later. It's really strange how mentos has to "convince" Steel to vote Cacti when Steel has been nudging his claim and pointing out scumtells anyways. Doesn't make sense.
All of this.
steel said:
I already said my reason for voting Riddle. I voted him to PRESSURE him and to see if I or anyone could pick up any more town/scum tells depending on how he played with focus on him. Nothing he said convinced me that I should unvote him, however I unvoted once Mentos convinced me that lynching the protective role was the smart move. I didn't immediately hop over to Cacti either, I made multiple posts arguing on whether it was a smart move or not. But once the theory for the situation was thoroughly explained it made sense to me.
And this is steel's response. Apparently his pressure vote on Riddle didn't yield much, as he later unvoted. I think mentos' case for lynching Cacti was just a convenient excuse to get off of Riddle, whom most of the town was coming to a consensus to as being scummy.
steel said:
I'm fine with a jungle lynch bar a CC
vote: junglefever
This post is ninja'd by Marshy saying that jungle was L-2, but with all the votes on him from the beginning of the day, you'd think he would've checked before voting. He may have been trying to pounce.
It's also worth noting that, from what I remember, steel never had anything to say against jungle before this post.
steel said:
What if I left my vote on Riddle? You could easily just say I went and bussed him due to the suspicions that were already cast. I really feel as if you are reaching.
Anyway, I'll start some rereading now so I can start being useful again.
Gheb calls out steel for switching his vote.
The above is true, we could say he would've bussed his scumbuddy. However, bussing a Yak would've been terrible for mafia. All they needed was for Riddle to survive the first day, and they could use his ability and start with a clean slate.
steel said:
You guys should lynch gheb instead for being so dumb this entire game.
I'm still not playing btw, i'll try and help mac find a replacement.
This was
after steel had left the game. Gheb has by far been steel's biggest opponent throughout the game. Not exactly an OMGUS, but the sentiment is there.
karthik said:
Whoah doesn't that look like a LARGE change of heart over 1 hour and no posts? You think he was talking to his scumbuddy?
I think Gheb is the play.
Vote:Gheb
Ah, there's the OMGUS.
I seriously doubt that karthik had had time to catch up with the entire topic by this point, and if he had, he would've seen that the things Gheb had to say about steel had merit.
Given all of this, I'm fine with an Omni/steel/karthik lynch for now. What most people have had to say about the Kev/jungle situation is legit, though it pains me that Kev outed himself this early if his investigation might be wrong.
vote: karthik
