Simple facts that you may not know...

[ciaza]

maybe what he is doing is upBing, then is controlling the direction of the upB by 'DIing' (which would still move him to the place he is 'DIing' towards.

maybe.

 

[Sangoku]

I don't remember AntD say that, but again I wasn't even there when he was, so maybe his post got flooded by other things. I know some people used to say that though (such as dandan). It seems weird and shouldn't be called DI anyway, since Falcon isn't hit by an attack, implying no DIing frames. And if he's hit, you can DI but there's obviously no UpB anymore.

We should test to see if there's a difference between tilting left or right fully or mashing/sliding.

 

[dandan]

i have said it a couple of times, but have not really checked it out, it was just a feeling i got from playing him.

 

[chuckj]

i feel the upB range increases too

 

[Battlecow]

Surri used to say that. I proposed it on the boards a while ago, but SK/ballin' shot it down like they were pretty certain, so I was like "OK."

 

[Sangoku]

I'll try to figure out this one day. Or maybe someone else better than me at that will do it first.

 

[kys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up8YENE9c60

Check out :49. I've seen that before and while it's not EXACTLY what people are talking about here, that vacuum sucking is not an every upb occurrence. Someone smart that can TAS needs to get on this.

 

[The Star King]

Surri used to say that. I proposed it on the boards a while ago, but SK/ballin' shot it down like they were pretty certain, so I was like "OK."

I did? I'm not sure if it does or not, although I don't see why it would.

@kys I think that was caused by DK extending his hurtbox with the ftilt.

 

[Peek~]

@kys I think that was caused by DK extending his hurtbox with the ftilt.

Thinking this as well. Just like when you grab someone who does a jab.

 

[Battlecow]

-The CPU's get easier every time you get a game over in 1p mode

-Kirby's up-B (and maybe other stuff?) can cause you to die on the same frame as someone else, leading to the person with port priority winning.

 

[The Star King]

I was testing Battlecow's port priority (it's actually reverse, 4>3>2>1) with Jigglypuff shieldbreaks and I found something.

Player 1 always gets the kill for any Jigglypuff shieldbreak, including getting one on himself if he does a Puff shieldbreak (usually SDs do not increase your kill count).

And even if Player 1 is not in the game, the "SCORE +1" will appear over where the Player 1 stocks would be.

What's more, this only works if the Player 1 controller isn't plugged in? If it's plugged in, the "SCORE +1" will appear above Player 2's stocks, even though the victory screen will show Player 2 didn't actually get the kill lolwut.

wtf

 

[Sempiternity]

Jiggs's shield is just wack in general. Why does its breaking cause her to die? And ONLY her? Does it have something to do with the fact that she has the largest shield (advantage?) and this was HAL's way of evening out the score? Pretty weird, though, with the score display....

Regarding Falcon's Up+B, by increasing the "range", are you referring to the actually height/length of the recovery? Or the attack hitbox?

 

[Sangoku]

I said it in my thread, jiggly's shield doesn't have more stamina. It is indeed bigger in size, which helps covering her whole body, but Yoshi's is even better. And he doesn't die from shieldbreak.

 

[Sempiternity]

Well, yeah, I never said it had more stamina. It's just bigger, which resists shield pokes.

However, I suppose that's actually a disadvantage in Jiggs's case, since it increases the risk of her shield breaking, which in turn leads to death.

 

[chuckj]

Jiggs's shield is just wack in general. Why does its breaking cause her to die? And ONLY her? Does it have something to do with the fact that she has the largest shield (advantage?) and this was HAL's way of evening out the score? Pretty weird, though, with the score display....

Regarding Falcon's Up+B, by increasing the "range", are you referring to the actually height/length of the recovery? Or the attack hitbox?

only attack hitbox, in my experience at least

 

[blaze3927]

that jiggly puff shield thing is whack.

 

[SSBPete]

just put 4 of the same character on a cloud on yoshi's island and wait until it fades

port has priority

 

[Linkshot]

Jiggs's shield is just wack in general. Why does its breaking cause her to die? And ONLY her? Does it have something to do with the fact that she has the largest shield (advantage?) and this was HAL's way of evening out the score? Pretty weird, though, with the score display....

They set her launch height to absurd numbers because you're essentially popping a balloon.

 

[Sempiternity]

They set her launch height to absurd numbers because you're essentially popping a balloon.

Then what about Kirbs?

 

[Linkshot]

Kirbs is a vacuum, not a balloon.

 

[Yoshi_King64]

On training mode sometimes the dummy z cancels

 

[blaze3927]

if you di well enough
jiggs/weegis/marios/ dair can send you higher.

kirby can fsmash-insta brick for a cool low % combo off the edge

kirby's jump after he emerges from the brick is too high for some dsmashes/dtils

 

[asianaussie]

Some common ones

Mario's D-Tilt reaches further forward than his D-Smash.
Hanging from a ledge long enough will cause you to start falling with the spiralling animation (but you will be able to jump)
This thread is suddenly featured up the top :O

 

[blaze3927]

someof thesemay need to be categorised and referenced in the first post as there is some real gold here

 

[Battlecow]

Link's initial bomb hitbox cannot hurt you, nor can it hurt a teammate of yours if team attack is off. Throwing the bomb directly at your teammate will simply cause the bomb to go right through them. However, the explosion hitbox can hurt you and/or your teammates.

This is one reason why you rarely take as much damage as your opponent when you both get bomb'd.

Most of you prolly knew this already, but I've seen people try to rescue their teammates with bombs a couple of times, only to stare aghast as it flies right on through.

 

[Zantetsu]

someof thesemay need to be categorised and referenced in the first post as there is some real gold here

I'll do that sometime.

 

[The Star King]

Puff can short hop onto the middle DL platform from the right platform but not from the left. WHY. Stop being weird Puff.

Oh, and since I've only posted useless obscure ****, I'll post something useful I see a lot of people not take advantage of - if spaced correctly, Pikachu's uair is one of the few aerials (the only?) that can beat Kirby's utilt. And Pika's uair beats all of Kirby's aerials as well so you're golden.

 

[Battlecow]

That Utilt

So borked

 

[Mew2King]

Is there a frames list for each character anywhere?

hmmm, i read some data, and some says kirbys up tilt is 4, while other areas say it's 6 -_-

stop sucking @ lists guys -____-

I'm gonna look for a hitbox list now

 

[M!nt]

maybe one of these? idk dont really know about this stuff.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=276826
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100456

 

[asianaussie]

Is there a frames list for each character anywhere?

hmmm, i read some data, and some says kirbys up tilt is 4, while other areas say it's 6 -_-

stop sucking @ lists guys -____-

I'm gonna look for a hitbox list now

both by the same person

u-tilt is 4 frames to come out

 

[Luco]

The one that everyone knows is that in many cases the last little flip on ness' recovery is often what saves him from far away places. Sucks that he didn't have as pronounced a flip as he does in 64.

While the noob is here he'll also say: on 200% damage, set in the menu screen, you can sometimes survive fox's throws, but never ness' throws. (not counting bouncing off the wall of the ship in the Z-sector)

 

[asianaussie]

ness has the second strongest f-throw in the game (?, luigi is first, i think) and the tied strongest b-throw in the game (pika and dk)

 

[Battlecow]

Gotta be samus for first, right?

that seems right to me at least.

 

[Timotheus]

Pika, Luigi, Kirby and Ness are the only characters who can get high enough to suicide when standing on the top platform on Hyrule.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Would seem so, didn't Andgar have an image of this

 

[Sempiternity]

Pika, Luigi, Kirby and Ness are the only characters who can get high enough to suicide when standing on the top platform on Hyrule.

Falcon can do it if he Uair chains somebody up there.

 

[Sangoku]

Uair? You mean Upb? But that doesn't count I guess since there is the need for another player. If you count that, you should also think of Mario ladder.

 

[Sempiternity]

Uair? You mean Upb? But that doesn't count I guess since there is the need for another player. If you count that, you should also think of Mario ladder.

the up+b was implied

i only mentioned it because it's not that hard to do, and can be a common occurrence in matches if you so desire

 

[Luco]

Really? I swear i''ve done that with samus.... Ahh well.

I'm also reasonably sure that red shells can be deflected with ness's bat, but it doesn't help much, unless you have someone reasonably close to you. :3

And.... Ness can get his PK thunder 2 in on Mushroomy Kingdom, under the platform on the left (and not by taking it out and then manouvring it back in top the area, I mean a small circle directly where you are. It's just so rediculously hard it's not worth it. thats probably known though.