Simple facts that you may not know...

[Zantetsu]

So, there's not many threads that have much activity here, so I'm bringing a thread from the Melee boards down here to the 64 boards. Influenced from Lovage's thread located here, this is a thread for you to note tiny things that other players may not know.

Thread rules:

1. 1. Don't post just to say something along the lines of "Everyone knows that" unless it's something very, very obvious (like "Luigi jumps higher then Mario").
2. 2. Don't post stupid, obvious facts. Make sure at least SOME experienced players don't know about it.
3. 3. Look to make sure something hasn't already been posted before you post.
4. 4. Discussing the fact's are allowed, but don't get too off topic.

So, I'll go ahead and start with one that I found recently that I'm surprised I haven't found already:

If you stand on the very edge of the bottom platform in the center section of Hyrule with Captain Falcon and Falcon Kick to the right, you'll land perfectly on top of Isai's house.

 

[Glöwworm]

Luigi's and Mario's forward throw and back throw are reversed.

Luigi's fthrow is stronger than this bthrow

Mario's bthrow is stronger than his fthrow

 

[asianaussie]

I think most players, even newbies, know that just because the damage the throws do are reversed.

I honestly can't think of obscure ones...for the sake of the mid-level player:

DK's taunt allows him to sidestep certain projectiles
Kirby's U-Tilt is the slowest of his tilts to get an actual hitbox out.
DK's U-Tilt gets a hitbox out faster than Kirby's U-Tilt.
Releasing the control stick and allowing it to snap back to the center during a horizontal dash of Pika's Up-B gets you extra distance.
The Learning Curve thread in the archives of this forum is dreadfully inaccurate past level 4

 

[Glöwworm]

Trust me, I've asked around and they had no idea lol.

With fox, if you go on top of the green tent in Hyrule, and you up-b exactly at the edge going left, his firefox sound is louder than usual.

 

[ballin4life]

If you Falcon Kick from one dreamland side platform to another you won't be high enough to land on the other. Unless you roll all the way to the outside edge first.

From Hamburglar - If you are hanging on the building at the bottom left of saffron, when the platform is at it's lowest you can fsmash out of the hanging animation.

 

[Sangoku]

With Falcon, if you second jump and immediately upb by a ledge, you will cancel the upb by grabbing the ledge (like Ness' upb ledge cancel). Too hard to perform to be usefull though.

Yoshi can jump OoS .

You can turn around Dreamland with pika, no matter what direction (you can start left or right).

Cool thread idea btw.

Oh also, this one I heard from superboomfan: DK's dash attack clanks with Kirby's utilt and give him a frame advantage over Kirby.

 

[Surri-Sama]

if you try to sweet spot with pikachus UpB on the right side of DL, some times you'll shoot out of the other side to your death.

Ness CAN jump over things with his Utilt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F23HpoBdMRI

 

[King Funk]

Falcon can easily dash pivot/dash pivot shield drop off the Dreamland side platforms to land on the edges. It allows really fast edgehogs from the platforms.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Falcon can easily pivot/pivot shield drop off the Dreamland side platforms to land on the edges. It allows really fast edgehogs from the platforms.

i love when you and boom do that.

 

[asianaussie]

Ness CAN jump over things with his Utilt

Fox F-Smash and apparently Pika grab can do this too.

 

[Battlecow]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=291324

I did it first, yo.

There's some good **** in that one, though- y'all should check it out.

 

[Sangoku]

I forgot there was this one >__>. I first thought there was already one, but then I thought I was confused because of the melee one.

Yours was most orientated in knockback type I think, while this one is just some (useless) tricks we know.

 

[Zantetsu]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=291324

I did it first, yo.

There's some good **** in that one, though- y'all should check it out.

Well ****, I even looked around for a thread like this. 2010 is ancient for Smashboards, I guess. We'll just see how this thread goes?

You should add this to the OP : *Image*

I added the image, but it looks awkward having the same image in 2 posts, so you should remove yours

 

[blaze3927]

falcon can grab pikachu on the left hand side of dl while pika is hanging

 

[the cap]

When performing Links Invisible bomb, if you are facing multiple opponents, Link can place more than one invisible mine on the level.

 

[Battlecow]

falcon can grab pikachu on the left hand side of dl while pika is hanging

did not know.

So cool, albeit tricky to do.

Oh god, the number of matches I'm going to lose because I try this on the last stock.

Does anyone know/can anyone test to see if it's true that you can "DI" the Doug Hug hitbox to extend it? It seems to work sometimes, but... it seems too funky to be true. Surri swears by it, but Firo insists it ain't so.

 

[The Star King]

YES I NEEDED A THREAD LIKE THIS TO POST MY USELESS DISCOVERIES:

If you jump at a certain time right after Mario's/Luigi's <100% ledge attack, you will do a mid-air jump even though you were on the ground. The timing is pretty tight.

You can do invisible shines on the ground of the **** tent by holding down and left and doing the standard fast shines (like for shine jabs and stuff). This doesn't work on the top of the **** tent. This makes me believe that the ground here is VEEEERY slightly sloped upwards to the left.

You can taunt-cancel at an edge with Puff's/Kirby's F-smash (right after the animation, but right before you start you teeter animation). I'm also pretty sure you can do it with Link's dash attack.

DK's grounded Up-B clanks with Puff's sing for some strange reason.

You can taunt-cancel rapidly (like with the DL wind) by having two characters teeter on the same edge and having one rapidly press the taunt button. Only works with some character combinations, but not sure which ones. Might do more research if enough people are interested.

The top of the Saffron Pokemon Box has reduced traction (apparently this was known, but I didn't know this for a long time so whatever).

I think there were a few more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head right now.

Trust me, I've asked around and they had no idea lol.

With fox, if you go on top of the green tent in Hyrule, and you up-b exactly at the edge going left, his firefox sound is louder than usual.

I think the sound is played twice at the same time.

Related to this: if you roll from an edge when you were teetering on it and up-B towards it with Fox, you will hear the FIYAAA sound twice.

Oh also, this one I heard from superboomfan: DK's dash attack clanks with Kirby's utilt and give him a frame advantage over Kirby.

Holy ****

A use for DK's dash attack

I'm trying this out

Does anyone know/can anyone test to see if it's true that you can "DI" the Doug Hug hitbox to extend it? It seems to work sometimes, but... it seems too funky to be true. Surri swears by it, but Firo insists it ain't so.

Huh? You mean the Falcon player moves the hitbox? No wai

 

[th3kuzinator]

You can't DI the doug hug.

You can taunt-cancel at an edge with Puff's/Kirby's F-smash (right after the animation, but right before you start you teeter animation). I'm also pretty sure you can do it with Link's dash attack.

This can be done with any character that has a move that will slide the character off the ledge after the move finishes (if you're holding back). A list of those moves is in the index I think.

edit: yeah its puff kirby fsmash/link dash attack and luigi dash grab

falcon can grab pikachu on the left hand side of dl while pika is hanging

brb trying this





Oh and at highpercents luigi's jab grab can be used to cancel the jab's cooldown animation (but the grab will miss because the opponent is at too high of a percent and will be pushed away too far) and you can follow that up with an upb for a legit 2 hit combo.

 

[The Star King]

This can be done with any character that has a move that will slide the character off the ledge after the move finishes (if you're holding back). A list of those moves is in the index I think.

You don't have to hold back for the three moves I mentioned. Just let go of the control stick.

I couldn't find this list And I can't find any other moves that make you teeter on the ledge lol (although I didn't try very hard)

 

[asianaussie]

I'm confirming the non-presence of such a list.

If someone wants to make such a list I'll slap it in.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You don't have to hold back for the three moves I mentioned. Just let go of the control stick.

I couldn't find this list And I can't find any other moves that make you teeter on the ledge lol (although I didn't try very hard)

I mean by holding back down forward or a during those moves you can buffer a ledge cancel and fall off the edge once the move finishes. Letting go puts you in the teetering

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm confirming the non-presence of such a list.

If someone wants to make such a list I'll slap it in.

yeah its puff kirby fsmash/link dash attack and luigi dash grab.

its in the google doc of the compiled techs

woops double post

I also must say the luigi's dash grab putting you into the teetering animation amuses me

 

[The Star King]

I mean by holding back down forward or a during those moves you can buffer a ledge cancel and fall off the edge once the move finishes. Letting go puts you in the teetering

Oh dude, I didn't know that.

FINALLY, THE MYSTERY OF WHY I SOMETIMES FALL OFF THE EDGE WITH LINK'S DASH ATTACK HAS BEEN SOLVED

Didn't work with A, BTW.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Did I say A?

Totally meant Z.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

yeah its puff kirby fsmash/link dash attack and luigi dash grab.

its in the google doc of the compiled techs

woops double post

I also must say the luigi's dash grab putting you into the teetering animation amuses me

With luigi's dash grab to the ledge you can go instantly into a dair off the ledge.

 

[th3kuzinator]

holy jesus that's actually kinda useful

 

[asianaussie]

i couldn't figure out a good place to put the information

it now resides at the very top

 

[ciaza]

falcon can grab pikachu on the left hand side of dl while pika is hanging

Feel free to give me credit for discovering this any time you like.

:3

EDIT: I tried it on offline emulator (U) and doesn't seem to work. Is it only in (A)?

 

[Battlecow]

Works in U

 

[Nintendude]

From Hamburglar - If you are hanging on the building at the bottom left of saffron, when the platform is at it's lowest you can fsmash out of the hanging animation.

I remember when he discovered that by accidentally edgeguarding me with it LOL

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

Not sure if this counts but Yoshi's shield is an egg

 

[Battlecow]

I think most of us knew that.

Maybe not though.

 

[RickySSB]

Jiggs has invencibility frames on her or his (i don't know xD) DB.

 

[Battlecow]

Good ol' rest parry

 

[Surri-Sama]

Maybe more specifically Yoshis shield is the only one that will protect the char entirely until it breaks, because it's an egg that darkens rather then a bubble that shrinks.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

Samus' upb has invincible frames(everyone probably knows this now).

 

[Battlecow]

If you're hit by an attack while still in the DI frames of another attack, you don't receive KB from the second attack (Courtesy of SK)

 

[Glöwworm]

There's a face in Whispy Wood's branches right above the middle platform in Dreamland

 

[The Star King]

There's a face in Whispy Wood's branches right above the middle platform in Dreamland

It's a Goomba with an evil smile :D Legs right below the middle platform

I can also see Samus though

If you're hit by an attack while still in the DI frames of another attack, you don't receive KB from the second attack (Courtesy of SK)

I'm not 100% sure about this since I can't TAS. I'm pretty sure, though.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbOCU5z5h1M#t=03m20s

 

[felipe_9595]

Kirby down b can be performed on ground without lag. If you walk to a ledge and press down b while you keep pressing forward, the rock will come out without lag but he will fall from the ledge, this is known as rock cancel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUfqC42UH-U Skip to 2:19