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Of course, but you'd need to be hit to the ledge 11 times to go over the limit. Which means that you would break their shield 11 times, so in theory, this would only happen if you were really, really, bad at killing people with broken shields.
Also, you'd need to get hit to the ledge over once every 40 seconds or so, and then you'd spend 20 seconds back on stage. Regardless of whether its safe or not, you're still taking up half of the total match time getting up onto the ledge, which is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE who's going to legitly win a tournament. The ONLY way you could possibly be knocked off and pressured that much is if you were playing Fast Brawl.
The reason shooters don't have the same issues is because shooters often have no distinguishable difference between player characters and everyone has access to the same tools at any given time. Also most standard tourney maps are symmetrical.How many times do others and I have to point out that you aren't technically stalling.
In plank vs SK92 after hitting SK92 he went back to the edge. Whoop dee ****, he's running away, he's going back to a safe position, sounds more like camping than stalling to me.
I swear stuff like this just doesn't happen in shooters, because every other community outside of Brawl have their heads screwed on right. Say in TF2, I play Demo, and I'm in the sewers of 2fort. There's a soldier headed my way so I throw a nade at him and run to heal up because there's ammo/health at the little intersection in the sewers. I can either camp in there forever or approach him. He can totally choose to approach me and hurt me, but is at risk of being hit by a trap. I'm not stalling, I'm camping in a safer position. And I should note while camping like this I've been ***** hard.
tl;dr-Planking is camping, stop whining.
so what happens if both players are a equal percentages, and are both planking and do so for the rest of the match?How many times do others and I have to point out that you aren't technically stalling.
In plank vs SK92 after hitting SK92 he went back to the edge. Whoop dee ****, he's running away, he's going back to a safe position, sounds more like camping than stalling to me.
I swear stuff like this just doesn't happen in shooters, because every other community outside of Brawl have their heads screwed on right. Say in TF2, I play Demo, and I'm in the sewers of 2fort. There's a soldier headed my way so I throw a nade at him and run to heal up because there's ammo/health at the little intersection in the sewers. I can either camp in there forever or approach him. He can totally choose to approach me and hurt me, but is at risk of being hit by a trap. I'm not stalling, I'm camping in a safer position. And I should note while camping like this I've been ***** hard.
tl;dr-Planking is camping, stop whining.
Then you likely do a sudden death or repeat the match based on the tournament. But thats very rare.so what happens if both players are a equal percentages, and are both planking and do so for the rest of the match?
Should Planking (i.e. Ledgestalling) be Banned?
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so what happens if both players are a equal percentages, and are both planking and do so for the rest of the match?
You don't do a sudden death ever... you generally do a 1 stock game on the same stage.Then you likely do a sudden death or repeat the match based on the tournament. But thats very rare.
except the ease of messing up your counting or have to recover to the edge more times than expected after you stop planking. And yeah, people could do it, but it would drastically limit the time someone could plank for, making it so you could sit and wait on stage for that amount of time to be up.A ledge-grab limit is an awful way to solve the situation.
If planking is so broken that people feel the need to limit the times you grab an edge to 70, then clearly the best solution is to only grab it 69 times. There's nothing stopping someone from doing that.
lol, just because the thread creator thinks it's stalling doesn't mean it is.Let's all look at the title.
Its happened before in tournaments from what I've heard, its just not generally done.You don't do a sudden death ever... you generally do a 1 stock game on the same stage.
Doesn't really matter. If planking is so amazing that it needs to be limited, people will do it as much as they can. They will learn to keep count and do their best to avoid the edge when recovering. You give people that leeway and they will push it as much as they can.except the ease of messing up your counting or have to recover to the edge more times than expected after you stop planking. And yeah, people could do it, but it would drastically limit the time someone could plank for, making it so you could sit and wait on stage for that amount of time to be up.
Internet insults, loooooolPardon my language, but do you have half a brain? lol, just because the thread creator thinks it's stalling doesn't mean it is.
It's not stalling because the point is for the other person to have to fight against you being on the edge, not to run out time... time only runs out if the player on stage gives up and refuses to fight, letting time run out, letting the person on the edge have no chance of winning, which doesn't make much sense.
True, they'll learn, but it makes it much much less effective, and it's really difficult to ban it out right because of bias. This way has no TO bias (and there will ALWAYS be bias, no matter what, if people have to use discretion)... and isn't being able to plank for basically no longer than a couple minutes much much better than being able to plank for the entire match?Doesn't really matter. If planking is so amazing that it needs to be limited, people will do it as much as they can. They will learn to keep count and do their best to avoid the edge when recovering. You give people that leeway and they will push it as much as they can.
The only true options are the leave it alone or ban it outright. There is no good middle ground.
You attempted to make people look stupid by enlarging your quote and posting it multiple times, which makes me think that you don't really know how to think things through and thus only have half a brain... no insults were said, I was actually asking if you knew how to think using logic. Now to respond to your post...Internet insults, looooool
So when people use planking to stall, it's not stalling because it's planking?
The video in the first post displays planking starting as a stalling technique to run the clock down, really, but it caused the Falco to try an attack and was easily killed due to the awesome position the planker had put himself in by planking.
The problem with judge ruling is that different judges have different opinions of planking. For instance, sometimes I'm stuck on the edge trying to get off, and with my opponent pressuring me, it could take some time. Now normally I'm not on the edge, but in some cases I could be there for a good 10 seconds just trying to get off. Some judges would be perfectly fine with it, others could force me to get off, putting me in a bad position to get hit. They're just no way of keeping it standard everywhere...If anything, I'd have to say judge ruling. Have someone overseeing the match at all times and give them a warning if they start showing agressive signs of planking. If they continue, they forfeit the match.
I don't like the idea of "Planking is very powerful, but we're still going to allow you to do it -- just not for as long." Suddenly people realize "This tactic is so amazing that they have to keep it under check. I should practice it." Encouraging people is not a good idea. Discourage them as much as you can. Allow them to play around the edge without fear of running over some arbitrary number times you're allowed to grab it but stop them from such henious actions.
I didn't attempt to make anyone stupid. Jesus, calm down.You attempted to make people look stupid by enlarging your quote and posting it multiple times, which makes me think that you don't really know how to think things through and thus only have half a brain... no insults were said, I was actually asking if you knew how to think using logic. Now to respond to your post...
You always have the option of approaching or not approaching. If player A stood at one end of the stage, waiting for player B to come, and then hit B over and over when they approached, then B may stop approaching. If they're both standing there, then A who originally started waiting isn't stalling, he's just waiting for B to approach. Planking is basically that same thing with A chilling on the edge waiting for B to approach. If B never approaches, time runs out and A wins, forcing B to approach... therefore, not stalling... just a broken strategy.
edit: dammit, I was expecting someone else to post between mine... sorry for the double post.
Your intentions don't really matter. Posting like that makes others look stupid. Doesn't matter if your right or wrong or if you tried to do it or not. Think next time or I'm gonna ask you if you know how to.I didn't attempt to make anyone stupid. Jesus, calm down.
I pretty much skipped to where you said "just a broken strategy". It's pretty much putting yourself in an almost untouchable situation and forcing them to jump into the ****, whilst at least not running away to pull it back from the boundaries of being stalling.
No one's going to cry because someone made them look stupid on the internet. Chill.Your intentions don't really matter. Posting like that makes others look stupid. Doesn't matter if your right or wrong or if you tried to do it or not. Think next time or I'm gonna ask you if you know how to.
You're definitely forcing them to jump into the ****... that doesn't mean it's stalling... If you're not willing to read my argument, get out of here and stop trolling this thread.
yeah, it's a tricky situation. I just think middle ground > no ban, and I think full ban is too impossible to reach with a consistent basis.The only thing I'd have to suggest then is "more judges". Lame, I know, and planking would clearly be subjective from judge to judge, but I don't like the middle ground. I'm sure nobody comes close to grabbing the edge fifty times in one match, but I don't feel like limiting this is good enough. It leaves the door too open.
There's really not much more I can say without just repeating myself. Allow people to do it and they'll abuse it, but there's really no way to moderate it.
lol, sounds like you might cryNo one's going to cry because someone made them look stupid on the internet. Chill.
It only runs out time because the player on stage gives up and stops trying to hit them off the edge. It's the player on the stages fault that time runs out, not the player on the edge.Also lol trolling. I consider it stalling because half the time it's used to stall. Ie, to run down the clock.
I'm a big boy, I can handle it.lol, sounds like you might cry
Yeah, if they didn't do that they'd get ***** as they tried to hit them, and the timer wouldn't run out because they'd die a lot quicker.It only runs out time because the player on stage gives up and stops trying to hit them off the edge. It's the player on the stages fault that time runs out, not the player on the edge.
A ledge-grab limit is an awful way to solve the situation.
If planking is so broken that people feel the need to limit the times you grab an edge to 70, then clearly the best solution is to only grab it 69 times. There's nothing stopping someone from doing that.
The ledge grab rule isn't meant to counter planking, it is meant to limit it. People can still plank, but they can't do it for an entire, or even half, the match as they are able to now. If you exceed the limit, you lose. If it is set to 55 grabs per match for the rule, and you grab it 54 times, then it will be very hard to keep track of how many times you do it, and you can't guarantee you won't grab the ledge again. So relying on one less ledge grab is very stupid, IMO. Sure, you can try to do it 45 times in one match, but that is limiting your planking a lot, which is the point of the ledge grab rule.Doesn't really matter. If planking is so amazing that it needs to be limited, people will do it as much as they can. They will learn to keep count and do their best to avoid the edge when recovering. You give people that leeway and they will push it as much as they can.
The only true options are the leave it alone or ban it outright. There is no good middle ground.
look in the case of pit too... if that can't be considered planking... video dates back to september before plank's video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF3BfiNxpiU
see the problem with softban is that this is america, attitudes are different completely between america and japan. if one is frowned upon, they'll still do itI acknowledge that it would be hard to keep track of how many times you grab the edge and that it may not be the brightest of ideas to try, but I'm just saying that allowing people to still do it would practically be encouraging them to do it as much as they can. Just because it's limited doesn't mean people aren't going to try. They will save the planking for opportune moments.
I propose a softban -- something they do in Japan in various games from time to time. You don't ban the strategy outright; it's just highly frowned upon. Encourage people not to do it because the game is just more interesting without it.
EDIT: And yes, I know, this isn't perfect and probably won't work, but I just don't feel like limiting it is going to solve the problem.
Because we're *******s by nature it would seem.see the problem with softban is that this is america, attitudes are different completely between america and japan. if one is frowned upon, they'll still do it
We live in America, not Japan. That generally doesn't work when the scene is huge.I acknowledge that it would be hard to keep track of how many times you grab the edge and that it may not be the brightest of ideas to try, but I'm just saying that allowing people to still do it would practically be encouraging them to do it as much as they can. Just because it's limited doesn't mean people aren't going to try. They will save the planking for opportune moments.
I propose a softban -- something they do in Japan in various games from time to time. You don't ban the strategy outright; it's just highly frowned upon. Encourage people not to do it because the game is just more interesting without it.
EDIT: And yes, I know, this isn't perfect and probably won't work, but I just don't feel like limiting it is going to solve the problem.
Lots of things said in debate, to the unreflecting mind, make someone else look stupid.Your intentions don't really matter. Posting like that makes others look stupid. Doesn't matter if your right or wrong or if you tried to do it or not. Think next time or I'm gonna ask you if you know how to.
I really love how some of the cast is basically ''planking lolwhut" about the entire thing.But hey i use a spring so what do I know?