Answer the the question or concede the point.
Oh I didn't realize there was a Nintendo-hack-checker-squad running around.
Tell the judge that when you get caught.
And also, you do NOT need to hack your Wii and leave traces to remove tripping. Running stacksmash doesn't leave any data on your Wii afterwards at all.
Wrong. You always leave little bits. I need to get an expert in here that'll explain it. But I know this is bullcrap.
Why haven't they yet, despite there being a forum on here solely dedicated to hacking the game?
Because the tourneys are not a standard, so little side crap is not worth it to them. But when it becomes huge and is consistently done to the point of most tourneys being run this way, it's not just noticeable, it means they'll go right down to it. Also, did you forget what I said earlier? They've went out of their ways to make update to remove the hacks. Oh, by the way, think of this way; Venues will actually call the cops on people, and get this place shut down. Very few venues, if any, run hacks. People run hacked tourneys at their own house, where nobody cares. So that greenlight has never come up.
Oh man, we wouldn't want to ruin our great reputation with the traditional fighting game community :/
We wouldn't want to run it deeper than it already is. And they don't care so much about the items, it's the attitude. Likewise, you know, they might actually start to join our community, but hacking drives them off. So, yeah, we lose even MORE players by being truly Scrubby.
You're defining something with a word that's defined as meaning something else, and then treating it as if all the connotations of that "something else" apply to this as well. Once again.
No, I'm treating all forms of cheating as the same thing. Cheats are cheats are cheats. The context has no difference for anyone. Or any player who wants legitimate wins. If they know the game is being modified, then they know it's cheating. If they don't, they're doing it wrong.
Cheating in a competition is bad, because you are doing something that is AGAINST THE RULES, and something that the other person doesn't have access to. If no-tripping is legal then it is NOT cheating, by that definition of cheating.
It's not legal because it's cheating, and it will never become a standard rule because it's a cheat by default. You really don't understand this, do you? There's two things that are being talked about here, Cheating and Cheat CODES. Using Cheat Codes is Cheating, btw. A cheat code, that is, not an EX Menu but an outside modification of a game's coding. By using what is literally called a Cheat Code, we admit we're doing exactly what cheating is, modifying the game. Likewise, that's two different versions of cheating. Oh, and if you want me to be exact? Modifying your game is breaking the rules set by the OWNERS of the data. That's why it's outright cheating.
hacks -> hacks=cheat codes -> hacks=cheating someone in a competition does NOT follow.
Wrong. Cheating is cheating no matter how much you try to justify it. You're breaking the rules of actual created game by modifying it. The game was meant only to be played with the options created for it. Anything else is actual cheating. There is no such thing as "kind of cheating". You are or you aren't. Do you approve of cheating to win? As I said, if you do, I get it. But don't try to say it's not, because it will always be.
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Please respond to this part, or agree with it, as it's clear you didn't last time I said it.
The point of words is to communicate meaning. I could call ANYTHING Brawl, and if the audience understood what I was referring to, it wouldn't matter what mode of transport I used, which symbols I tried to convey it with, which sounds I made, which words I used to get across what I was talking about.
You can define any word as anything, and it doesn't matter what that word is defined as if the people who see it and respond to it understand what it's supposed to mean.
We can CALL it whatever we want. We could say "Hey, you wanna go to the Brawl tournament on Sunday? A no tripping code is on, though," or we could say "You wanna go to a Brawlminustripping tournament on Sunday?"
No, no, we can't. We do not own the game itself, and cannot ADVERTISE it as Brawl unless it is actually Brawl. Try and use that crappy logic in any court of law. It will fail all the time. Actually, don't bother. If we're advertising it as Brawl, there will be no codes. Otherwise, we MUST specify it's Brawl with some hacks. Otherwise, we're breaking the law.
[quotepYES, if tripping is removed, it would not be the identical game as Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Nintendo Wii released by Nintendo in 2008. However if it was clear that tripping was removed, there's no need to refer to it as anything other than "Brawl" as, if everyone knows that tripping is removed, it's completely redundant to add it to the title, and it's self-evidently true that it's not, technically, the exact same game as Super Smash Bros. Brawl.[/quote]
It's NO longer Brawl, so you cannot say it is. And no, it's not redundant to specify it's not the same game. Want a realistic situation? An actual law student, or for that matter, a cop, or even a Nintendo(former) employee decides to play in the tournament. They find out it uses hacks. They'll report it, and we'll be swarmed with problems by that alone. Think that doesn't happen? Well, you're wrong. Taking even the chance that we could get severely hurt is a horrible idea. I'm quite against practicing the art of purposely breaking the law, aren't you?
That does NOT mean, however, that we shouldn't refer to it as Brawl. Or that we SHOULD refer to it as Brawl. We should refer to it as whatever is most effective in communicating at that time.
We can call it Brawl without Tripping, then. That's one legal issue solved.
If a community decided to play Brawl where you had to play with blindfolds on, and it was clear to everyone involved that when they referred to "Brawl" they were referring to Brawl with blindfolds on, then it would be COMPLETELY unnecessary to refer to it as anything OTHER than Brawl if the speaker decides that that it was will get the meaning he is trying to convey across most easily.
Except that has zero affect with the data in the game. While it can be called Fraud, it's not the same situation, and is a very strawmanned argument. And you know what? Many would leave or call bull**** on it. This won't work either. No matter what, you won't get good attendees.
If a community decides that they like playing Brawl with tripping turned off, it can be called WHATEVER they deem is the best thing to call it, whether that's "Brawl with tripping off" or simply "Brawl".
Nope, they legally can't. And that TO will be booed out for downright lying to them. Life doesn't work that way. Lying is a pretty bad way to get players, you know. Being completely honest does wonders.
Nope, not true. You quite simply don't know more about every single community in the world than they all do about themselves.
Then why isn't it the Standard? Maybe because they realized that hacks are a shortcut? You give them too little credit. They actually know that PRACTICE makes them better, not cheat codes.
Oh right, dashing and pivoting doesn't happen at the top level.
You mean because Tripping has ever shown to be SUCH a huge impact on gameplay? Oh, wait, no, it hasn't. People hate it, but it hasn't given out enough wins to actually even be a problem, and they still accept it. To be honest, if you cannot stand it, go player ANOTHER game. Go play Melee. You either accept the game you bought, or you move on.
I did not ask for proof that that is how EULAs work, I asked for proof that Nintendo would EVER take action against someone for these hacks. "and there has not been anything even close to action from Nintendo over this."
That Galoob incident, hmm... And actually, the point isn't whether Nintendo specifically did, it's that they can and sure as hell will if it happens enough to get their attention. Taking a chance they won't, well, is it really worth it? Is it worth getting the message board shut down because people are too nitpicky over a tiny issue to follow the law, something much bigger?
I do not want proof that EULAs are phrased any particular way. Show me someone on this board who has gotten arrested for hacking the game. Go ahead, there's an entire sub-board devoted to Brawl hacking, that's been around for years. And one devoted to Melee hacking. Find me a venue who has had issue with people having replay codes on. Find me something that shows the potential detriments you mentioned are LEGITIMATE threats, and could happen in the real world.
I don't need to. In fact, this is downright insulting to every gamer in the world. This is where I draw the line here. You are downright telling us to cheat and treat it as a GOOD thing. Just because they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't. And once again, might I remind you they have added coding even to their own games for updates that shut the hacks down? Or perhaps they're sure that we wouldn't be idiotic enough to actually make it a standard. They have hope for us that we're actually act like responsible people and not break the law on a large scale.
If hacking is as bad as you claim, with the huge Brawl hacking community there is here, and 3 and a half years of tournaments where people have had hacked Wiis, there should be someone that it's happened to, right?
I don't see money being made on it, or maybe they DON'T KNOW we're making money off of it. Almost every hacked tourney is run at somebody's house. In addition, the venues probably don't know of the codes on. So there's also the issue of the Fraud already happening. They just haven't been called out on it, because, let's be honest, the players don't HAVE to.
No I'm not I never said this ever.
Yeah, you actually are. You are trying to promote blatant cheating because of whining over a bad concept. Nothing more.
The only thing I'm asking for is ONE piece of evidence that any of the threats you've mentioned are legitimate, and that it would be damaging to the community for some people to host non-tripping tournaments.
It's damaging because we get less players with hacks. I do not need evidence to tell you that you're downright breaking the law, and I proved that already on why it is.
I don't want you to post what the EULAs say, or how they can be interpreted, that doesn't help us. I don't want you to post a definition of fraud, or mix together definitions of cheating, and use that as a justification for the banning of no-tripping codes.
The game existed well before No-Tripping codes. No-Tripping codes has to be added in. You have to prove why THEY are good for the community using every factor. It's already been proven why it's not. Multiple times. You're just ignoring every factor instead.
What I want is clear EVIDENCE that the detriments you're referring to about no-tripping, infinite replays, and texture codes being legal at tournaments that want them (those detriments being legal action against tournament organizers, and against this site), are actual, legitimate THREATS. Things that have happened before, and are likely to happen again.
Let's turn this around for a second, because once they arrest you and take down this messageboard, the asking for evidence would like pretty stupid in hindsight. You do not need evidence of a company taking down something before(once again, they tried to downright stop Galoob and the Game Genie, and they lost due to both their EULA, and that the way codes were implimented, the IP was not broken. However, our codes actually break their IP, so it's another story. They would WIN the case instead. This site isn't the problem. In fact, hacking is a very insignificant part of the the main Tourney front. We're keeping it small to prevent any chance of legal issues. Oh, and here's the turn-around: Can you actually prove that this is a good thing for the community? That all will benefit from it, that we have ZERO chance of being shut down, AND that every player would be onboard with this? Because if you can't, and every player has actually played the original copy of Brawl, btw, then your ideal solution fails.
I want an explanation for why, if these legal issues are as big issues as you make them out to be, why hasn't it been an issue in the past 3 and a half years of texture hacks, and infinite replays, and why hasn't MLG had an issue with a board DEDICATED to the hacking of Brawl?
MLG had an issue with us taking out items. They're not allowing us to get in because of both items, stages, MK Banned, AND hacks. They might be lenient with the rest, but they will never approve hacks, no matter what. And that's because they actually understand the law and won't go out of their way to break it.