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th3kuzinator

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Do you doubt reads change all the time?

Ok. Have fun with that.

A method of faking content. Seen it before, pinned someone for it.

Please show us why you shouldn't get behind RR since you seem to not really have an urge to defend him/attack him at all.
Are you joking? I have RR as mostly null and am asking Zen to substantiate a scum read. I'm not going to explain to you why I'm reamining null on him.
 

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Well Kuzi, reason being is why do you have him as null when pretty much all the active people in the game thus far have been expressing discontent with him. So I want an answer as to why thus far you are an outlier when dealing with RR.

Why are you continuing to dwell on the point of reads not changing. I never said I don't think reads change, I have said I disliked the way yours changed not the sole fact that it changed and therefore it is scummy. I thought Gorf was joking when he said he got the vibe you were skimming within his posts but I am starting to see his point there. =/
 

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July, your post about Bleck Mang was insightful and well-thought out. Both me and Zen appreciated it and like you already.

We're going to be stubborn here, though, and keep our views to ourselves unless we feel strong about something, Zen wanted to play a more secluded game and I wanted to be more pro-active, it's a weird combination that has been working for now.

What do you think about Ryker and his relationship with certain players?
That's fine, you've been quite open about your opinion on many things, I don't expect you to lay all your cards on the table.

Ryker's relationship with certain players (up to the point when you posted this) was mostly focused on him targeting certain players like DH and applying pressure, and I'm okay with that. Having played with Ryker before, I know that him not directly attacking someone or stating a suspicion of someone doesn't mean he isn't paying attention, it just means he's focused somewhere else. His relationship with Swiss was the only other relationship I remember distinctly with them both generally agreeing with each other, but both doing their own thing which is fine by me for now.

I'll answer this question again after reading through all the new stuff as well :)

July, what if I told you that I was already paying close attention to the Bleck Mang slot (hereto be referred to as J)? As for the only part of your post that addressed me, that's cool, but then there's RR. I did indeed cover that question, yet he ignored it. If I'm not mistaken, he posted on two separate occasions after the question. Let's see if he notices this post directed at him hidden in a guise of a mostly unrelated post. If he doesn't pick it out by the time I get back online, I'll spell it out in bright bold letters.
I would be pleased, but not surprised. As I stated in the above, I know that just because you don't directly state a suspicion on a player doesn't mean they haven't garnered your attention or suspicions.

I couldn't really wrap my head around The Wall From Hell, but I'm gonna go off of your little paragraph and hope that's like a summary.



K. Regarding Felipe, I've had a fair amount of past experiences with the young man, and the feelings and vibes have been reciprocated through every experience with him. Ultimately, my mindset with him is that I will never be against his lynch, but I'd rather allow some of my smart town reads to determine the read with em; I even think I remember asking somebody, like, last night if they can help me get a read on em or something like that. He's just... Such a gamble really :/... Anyway, regarding Dark Horse, I actually thought I voted em on like the bottom of page 2. The way he was so defensive of JDietz when No Lynch was all up on em (which would actually make a lot of noobmistake sense if they're scummates), but ultimately I'm kinda just trying to lean a bit back this game ya feel me homie? I'll try and response... In better sense... Tomorrow if you really want more from me but yea.
Is that opinion on Felipe for both Gord and J (as in neither of you is confident in your ability to read Felipe)?

Your laid back play reminds me tremendously of your play in FFIX before you replaced, and that isn't making me feel any better about your play style this game or your justification for your laid back reads.

I'm stopping you from doing something derppy.

I don't want DH at L-1 until everyone has posted more and a fair amount. I'm skeptical of voting shinanigans with a vote blocker around.

Unless you wanna push your own personal adjenda to get your own way over conculting town, but then again that requires team effort, something your bad with where you have in the past quick lynched without consolting town.

I don't care if in both situations scum got lynched, I want to read up on stuff that isn't the first and last page, I don't want you being an idiot about it before I can. No scum read on you, just a precatious.

I welcome a town read if you can show it, make it happen.

:phone:
RR, I noticed that you stepped in to stop DH from being put at L-1 and your reasons are based on avoiding a quick lynch/being skeptical of voting shenanigans. However, I don't think I've actually seen you give a read on DH. What is your read on DH and what do you think about the wagon that built up on him (when Ryker asked me to put him to L-1 the wagon consisted of No Lynch, Ryker, Swiss, Bleck Mang and felipe, not in that exact order)?

Swiss, read on Bleck Mang?

Post #326 finally gives some reads from Bleck Mang, but I'm not really comforted by them. Putting Swiss/Ryker/Rockin/No Lynch in the ambivalent, okay to let them live for now category is very passive and complacent. What I'm not seeing from this slot is any initiative to go out and get reads on some of the stronger players or really to independently scumhunt. And the suspicions of DH and Jdeitz are so, so very safe.

I didn't mind Kuz's push on Jdeitz, I like seeing how someone reacts to pressure; his #367 is about as genuine of a reaction as I could have expected. It looks like he cracked under the pressure not because he's scummy, but because he had no idea how to handle the situation, and just straight-up spilling your guts like that seems much more likely from noobtown than noobscum who would have partners to help them keep their composure.

Also I like his #386:

No sorry, they'd be deep in the archives by now and I don't care to dig them up. You can look them up if you have gusto but honestly I don't want to just hand them to you because you're looking like scum this game. I'll prob. elaborate on my feelings on people now that I actually have something to talk about.

Don't worry though, we were all terribad at the game XP. Literally none of us had played before.



No, I didn't get to be told my neighbor's alignment. They asked me like: After I confirmed that I was new they quipped I should try not to appear naive they wouldn't want mafia to take advantage of me in any way, then followed with "so, what is your name and role btw?"
The bluntness of that response 1) isn't something I would expect from noobscum, who I think would want to avoid confrontation and just appease whatever requests someone makes, and 2) that mindset, "I don't want to give too much information to someone I think is scum", seems like an inherently town mindset I think it would be hard for Jdeitz to fake.

Disagree with Swiss that Jdeitz would have kept quiet on the gambit if he was town, I don't think he would see any town intent behind doing so and that's understandable. The gambiting strikes me as something Swiss would do no matter what his alignment, so that's null.

Also, just noting that in the midst of this whole thing, RR is talking but it all seems so vague and slightly irrelevant; almost like he's providing commentary and picking out little things like Jdeitz saying that he could se claiming alignment but not role to focus on, but manages to keep his opinion on the important stuff out of it, as in: he doesn't address whether or not he thinks Jdeitz is scummy before or during the neighbor reveal/Swiss gambit, he doesn't address his opinion on the Swiss gambit or on Jdeitz's reaction to it...he's just there the entire time :glare:

Bleck Mang, you seem to still think Jdeitz is scum. Thoughts on his #386, and do you think that my interpretation of it (somewhere further up in this post) is inaccurate?

LOL why would scum ever say this xD.

Swiss you're being garbage right now. Go to bed.

Ryker and July. Join us.
Join you on the RR wagon? Maybe, but I really want to lynch Bleck Mang toDay too ;-;

Lol at Bleck Mang's #520, it looks like you are upset at Kuz for changing his read based on new and game-changing developments in the game. J's post is better, possibly because it takes the complete opposit stance on Jdeitz, but question: why only FoS and HoS, instead of a vote on either RR or Kuz?

**** me, but there's too many people I want to die.

Investigative SERIOUSLY needs to hit Kuz tonight. I kind of hate everything he's posted in the last two pages.

I hate JDietz. I hate Dork Horse. I don't understand J, RR, and NL. I do like July (first time in history). Felipe and Rockin I categorize as dumb over scum and doubt I'll be resending that soon short of some monumental slip from Felipe. Orbo and Dabuz are my nulls.
Scum read on Jdietz, or just hate the way he's playing? I'm assuming hating Dark Horse still equates to a scum read on him.


Right now I have town reads on NL, Ryker, and JDeitz. Willing to accept Felipe as dumb town. Orbo and dabuz are painfully null. Bleck Mang and RR scum, DH still leaning scummy but tbh that's still based off his early play, his recent posts haven't left an impression on me, possibly because of all the other activity in thread.

Want to see more from Bleck v. Kuzi before giving a Kuz read. Also want to see if it affects my Bleck read(I admit I love watching Kuz and J go head to head <3). Want to hear form Rockin on the neighbor thing before giving a read on him. Swiss is Swiss and I'm not going to pretend to have a solid read on him.

Also sorry for another wall, but you guys post too much and I cbf to break it up, need to get back to studying for midterms.
 

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With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (10):
Jdietz43 (3): th3kuzinator, Bleck Mang, Swiss,
Dark Horse (1): Ryker
Bleck Mang (1): July
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin
Ryker (1): Dark Horse
Swiss (1): Jdietz43
Red Ryu (1): No Lynch

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (3):
dabuz
Orboknown
Red Ryu
 

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I'm going to try re-reading the game myself before I concrete to exactly where I want to go because I feel there is a thorn I'm missing though I have say-

*live-update*

Wall by July. Yay.
 

th3kuzinator

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Well Kuzi, reason being is why do you have him as null when pretty much all the active people in the game thus far have been expressing discontent with him. So I want an answer as to why thus far you are an outlier when dealing with RR.
Because no one has provided an ounce of reasoning as to why he's scum. I've asked for it.

Why don't you give it to me if there are so many people who are discontent with his lynch. It should be easy to bullet a few points if apparently viewpoint should this is so obvious.

Why are you continuing to dwell on the point of reads not changing. I never said I don't think reads change, I have said I disliked the way yours changed not the sole fact that it changed and therefore it is scummy. I thought Gorf was joking when he said he got the vibe you were skimming within his posts but I am starting to see his point there. =/
We're discussing the same things over and over again. Jdietz revealed something that definitely changed my opinion of his alignment. Whether or not you believe me does not concern me in the slightest. I've made perfectly clear where my though process has come from.
 

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But enough about me. J, where are you looking now if not dietz. I also want you to explain how you are critiquing my read switch on dietz when you yourself have a town read on him for, I'm sure, similar reasons.
 

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Kuzi, I did highlight some very breif/short reasoning as to why I feel RR is scum. ._. July has shown some really good points in her big post as well.

@July: I didn't vote in that post because me and Gorf were bickering about some reads like Kuzi and Jdietz. in fact, that's why I haven't still moved it because I need to fully talk with him about it more. The rest Gorf will have to answer to. =p

Back to Kuzi, My head is still at you/RR haha nothing's really changed that TBH.
 

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Then why don't you let Gorf take the reigns and explain how his town read on me turned around because my read on Dietz changed.s
 

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Sorry jeez, I am getting off the cpu for the night but i'll do that quickly. =/

Fine, let me change the topic then since you feel this convo is going in circles. Can you drop me some new scum-reads/willing to let die toDay since you changed your mind on Ditzy? Is Swiss a legit scum-read for you because of his attack on you?

Ryker is townish correct?
 

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Go to hell.
Hoping an emotional outburst can save you?

Anyways, I really think Ditz is town. From what I can tell, noobscum tend to hide in the background. Ditz here is doing the opposite: he's doing things that cause town to focus on him. No one made him claim, so it shows that, instead of trying to hide inti te background, he went out in the open. I've found his posts to be genuine, especially when he votes Swiss, for a couple of reasons:
1. Noobscum would be far too paranoid to vote at the point, with no one else voting.

2. He started the Swiss wagon. This put him in a lot more dangerous situation upon a Swiss town flip than if he had joined when there are other votes on.

He isn't playing it safe, and I think it makes him more genuine.

Ah well that sucks.

Dietz you're no fun.

And were you town you'd have kept quiet. You just used your first opportunity to grab at townie, innocent, honest points.

Lynch Dietz. He's scum.
Not only is this probably untrue, the whole gambit is suspicious.

How do you think Swiss would have reacted if Ditz had kept quiet? He probably would have called him out for it, saying that he was either trying to dodge the whole situation, or talk with his scumbuds in the QT. Swiss twisted this into pretty much a lose-lose situation, intent on pegging Ditz for something.

Lynch Kuz on a scum flip. That typo way too out of place. Distancing. Done the exact same thing before myself..
Where do I begin?

For one, you call him out on a typo, not any actions, just a typo, which you somehow link to distancing (I don't think you ever explained how this worked). You seem to be trying to peg Ditz in any way you can in this post, too. Second, you are basing this off of your own meta, despite the fact that you do not share minds. KevinM did this in F&L mafia, too. He was scum.

Unvote

Ryker's not going to be the play today, that is certain.

You know what?

Vote: Swiss

I've seen enough.
 

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Dark Horse what is your read on Ryu? Would you join in on his wagon if he came to be the play?
 

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Bleck Mang said:
W.R.T. RR, both me and Gorf have gotten the impression that he is coming off really...cautious and methodilogical would be the words of choice. He just like is trying to look the best he can around the different situations going about during the day phase and it is just odd. I have a feeling there are back-doors in his posts but I'd have to look into that more.
Here you are Kuzi, I decided to just quote the segment cuz it would be easier.

@Zen: This side is okay with changing our vote to there because I don't think I could get a Kuzi-lynch toDay and I dislike RR too, but I'll wait till tomorrow morning or if Gorf sees this post (*nudge nudge* Gorf).
 

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Felipe you shouldn't assume Ryu is town for the roleblock/voteblock for many reasons.

-Roleblocker could be a town role
-He may not have even been roleblocked.
-Voteblocker could be an indy role. (While RR being mafia)
-RR could have vote blocked himself.

Was his roleblock/voteblock the only reason you think he is town? Does this change your mind?
 

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Kuz said:
Then why don't you let Gorf take the reigns and explain how his town read on me turned around because my read on Dietz changed.s
Woah J what have you been saying? I haven't read much of any of Bleck v Kuz this page or last, but let it be known that I'm not sold on you being anything really scummy, which is the reason I was against J moving our vote.
 

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To: Kuzi
From: July

July said:
, I noticed that you stepped in to stop DH from being put at L-1 and your reasons are based on avoiding a quick lynch/being skeptical of voting shenanigans. However, I don't think I've actually seen you give a read on DH. What is your read on DH and what do you think about the wagon that built up on him (when Ryker asked me to put him to L-1 the wagon consisted of No Lynch, Ryker, Swiss, Bleck Mang and felipe, not in that exact order)?

Also, just noting that in the midst of this whole thing, RR is talking but it all seems so vague and slightly irrelevant; almost like he's providing commentary and picking out little things like Jdeitz saying that he could se claiming alignment but not role to focus on, but manages to keep his opinion on the important stuff out of it, as in: he doesn't address whether or not he thinks Jdeitz is scummy before or during the neighbor reveal/Swiss gambit, he doesn't address his opinion on the Swiss gambit or on Jdeitz's reaction to it...he's just there the entire time. :glare:
~With love. <3
 

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Call it weird, but I currently don't have any scumpicks. Take that as you will.

Anyone who is still being vehement that Dietz is scum are players I'd be alright with dying.
 

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July said:
Is that opinion on Felipe for both Gord and J (as in neither of you is confident in your ability to read Felipe)?

Your laid back play reminds me tremendously of your play in FFIX before you replaced, and that isn't making me feel any better about your play style this game or your justification for your laid back reads.
That's an opinion from Gorf. Iirc J has a null lean town read on em, don't quote me on that.

J had been steering the wheel for most, if not all, of the game near the beginning so I don't get where you're getting FFIX meta (unless J was in that game, don't recall, but if he was and you're talking about him forget about this point). As far as my response, I was wasted when I made it, which may attribute to the "laid back vibe" you're getting but as far as after that I'd like to see the laid back Gorf that makes you see this slot as scum.

Just doing a quick check in before bed. Peace niggz.
 

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2 things.

1. It's Rockin.
2. I re-examined my mindset wrt to how Deitz described the interaction and kind of agree with some of Swiss' rationale. As a neighbor partner I myself probably would pump a newbie for info, even as town, just so if he told me I could get a honest read on the player slot. I probably wouldn't have been concerned with him knowing we weren't confirmed as much as I would have wanted an untainted esponse.
 

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Still waiting for that case.

Let me know when you got one.
What is your read on DH?
What is your read on Felipe?
What is your read on Bleck?
What is your read on Kuz?
What is your read on Swiss?
Who would you be voting now if you could?

Give reason for all of them.
 

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What is your read on DH?
What is your read on Felipe?
What is your read on Bleck?
What is your read on Kuz?
What is your read on Swiss?
Who would you be voting now if you could?

Give reason for all of them.
1. leaning town, his interaction with Swiss looks more frustrated even more so when I make my case.

2. Null, he's not aligned with Kuz if either are mafia due to Bardull. That was not staged, but otherwise he is a crap shoot for me to read.

3. Null, not focused on this slot atm, I've ignored it for the most part since I've had other fish to fry.

4. Town, his flow of reads and responses make sense

5. Scum, I will get to this in a second. It has to do with how he is strawmanning and deflecting people, aka Dark Horse and others. The DH wagon looks really bad on a reread.

6. Swiss.
 

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Hoping an emotional outburst can save you?

Anyways, I really think Ditz is town. From what I can tell, noobscum tend to hide in the background. Ditz here is doing the opposite: he's doing things that cause town to focus on him. No one made him claim, so it shows that, instead of trying to hide inti te background, he went out in the open. I've found his posts to be genuine, especially when he votes Swiss, for a couple of reasons:
1. Noobscum would be far too paranoid to vote at the point, with no one else voting.

2. He started the Swiss wagon. This put him in a lot more dangerous situation upon a Swiss town flip than if he had joined when there are other votes on.

He isn't playing it safe, and I think it makes him more genuine.



Not only is this probably untrue, the whole gambit is suspicious.

How do you think Swiss would have reacted if Ditz had kept quiet? He probably would have called him out for it, saying that he was either trying to dodge the whole situation, or talk with his scumbuds in the QT. Swiss twisted this into pretty much a lose-lose situation, intent on pegging Ditz for something.



Where do I begin?

For one, you call him out on a typo, not any actions, just a typo, which you somehow link to distancing (I don't think you ever explained how this worked). You seem to be trying to peg Ditz in any way you can in this post, too. Second, you are basing this off of your own meta, despite the fact that you do not share minds. KevinM did this in F&L mafia, too. He was scum.

Unvote

Ryker's not going to be the play today, that is certain.

You know what?

Vote: Swiss

I've seen enough.
You are useful when you're scum. Either that or you have gotten a lot smarter since I've been here. What do you think of the possibility of Swiss and dietz being scum together?

Also I don't think you ever answered me on how Rockin asking Dietz' role seemed like he was being manipulative/asking with scum intent. Right now would you be willing to lynch rockin just on the fact that he asked Dietz for his role?
 

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Null leaning town, but that can change with what Rockin has to say since before the claim he remained very stance-less, after the claim it makes more sense and how his responses unfolded.

Rockin is the key piece here with that read for me.
 

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That's fine, you've been quite open about your opinion on many things, I don't expect you to lay all your cards on the table.

Ryker's relationship with certain players (up to the point when you posted this) was mostly focused on him targeting certain players like DH and applying pressure, and I'm okay with that. Having played with Ryker before, I know that him not directly attacking someone or stating a suspicion of someone doesn't mean he isn't paying attention, it just means he's focused somewhere else. His relationship with Swiss was the only other relationship I remember distinctly with them both generally agreeing with each other, but both doing their own thing which is fine by me for now.

I'll answer this question again after reading through all the new stuff as well :)



I would be pleased, but not surprised. As I stated in the above, I know that just because you don't directly state a suspicion on a player doesn't mean they haven't garnered your attention or suspicions.



Is that opinion on Felipe for both Gord and J (as in neither of you is confident in your ability to read Felipe)?

Your laid back play reminds me tremendously of your play in FFIX before you replaced, and that isn't making me feel any better about your play style this game or your justification for your laid back reads.



RR, I noticed that you stepped in to stop DH from being put at L-1 and your reasons are based on avoiding a quick lynch/being skeptical of voting shenanigans. However, I don't think I've actually seen you give a read on DH. What is your read on DH and what do you think about the wagon that built up on him (when Ryker asked me to put him to L-1 the wagon consisted of No Lynch, Ryker, Swiss, Bleck Mang and felipe, not in that exact order)?

Swiss, read on Bleck Mang?

Post #326 finally gives some reads from Bleck Mang, but I'm not really comforted by them. Putting Swiss/Ryker/Rockin/No Lynch in the ambivalent, okay to let them live for now category is very passive and complacent. What I'm not seeing from this slot is any initiative to go out and get reads on some of the stronger players or really to independently scumhunt. And the suspicions of DH and Jdeitz are so, so very safe.

I didn't mind Kuz's push on Jdeitz, I like seeing how someone reacts to pressure; his #367 is about as genuine of a reaction as I could have expected. It looks like he cracked under the pressure not because he's scummy, but because he had no idea how to handle the situation, and just straight-up spilling your guts like that seems much more likely from noobtown than noobscum who would have partners to help them keep their composure.

Also I like his #386:



The bluntness of that response 1) isn't something I would expect from noobscum, who I think would want to avoid confrontation and just appease whatever requests someone makes, and 2) that mindset, "I don't want to give too much information to someone I think is scum", seems like an inherently town mindset I think it would be hard for Jdeitz to fake.

Disagree with Swiss that Jdeitz would have kept quiet on the gambit if he was town, I don't think he would see any town intent behind doing so and that's understandable. The gambiting strikes me as something Swiss would do no matter what his alignment, so that's null.

Also, just noting that in the midst of this whole thing, RR is talking but it all seems so vague and slightly irrelevant; almost like he's providing commentary and picking out little things like Jdeitz saying that he could se claiming alignment but not role to focus on, but manages to keep his opinion on the important stuff out of it, as in: he doesn't address whether or not he thinks Jdeitz is scummy before or during the neighbor reveal/Swiss gambit, he doesn't address his opinion on the Swiss gambit or on Jdeitz's reaction to it...he's just there the entire time :glare:

Bleck Mang, you seem to still think Jdeitz is scum. Thoughts on his #386, and do you think that my interpretation of it (somewhere further up in this post) is inaccurate?



Join you on the RR wagon? Maybe, but I really want to lynch Bleck Mang toDay too ;-;

Lol at Bleck Mang's #520, it looks like you are upset at Kuz for changing his read based on new and game-changing developments in the game. J's post is better, possibly because it takes the complete opposit stance on Jdeitz, but question: why only FoS and HoS, instead of a vote on either RR or Kuz?



Scum read on Jdietz, or just hate the way he's playing? I'm assuming hating Dark Horse still equates to a scum read on him.


Right now I have town reads on NL, Ryker, and JDeitz. Willing to accept Felipe as dumb town. Orbo and dabuz are painfully null. Bleck Mang and RR scum, DH still leaning scummy but tbh that's still based off his early play, his recent posts haven't left an impression on me, possibly because of all the other activity in thread.

Want to see more from Bleck v. Kuzi before giving a Kuz read. Also want to see if it affects my Bleck read(I admit I love watching Kuz and J go head to head <3). Want to hear form Rockin on the neighbor thing before giving a read on him. Swiss is Swiss and I'm not going to pretend to have a solid read on him.

Also sorry for another wall, but you guys post too much and I cbf to break it up, need to get back to studying for midterms.
For the purposes of that post. Hate and scum read are synonymous.
 

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Had to redo this post. Here are the posts that I don't like from you Ryu. You're play here is just not what I've seen from you as town. You're reminding me way back to your Fire emblem self.
I want to lynch for a strong end game this time looking at the player roaster.
There are a lot of names I have seen in lylo situations where I am not fond of keeping them around.

I am adding player skill to my criteria for a lynch this game. Of course how I read them will take precidence but I will consider if down to two whom I trust more in lylo.

NL from his D1 posts is still a big fat null. If he earns a town read I will trust him. As it stands not atm.
First of all, there was no reason for you to answer Swiss' RVS question in such a polished out way other than to be appeasing. Did you honestly come into this game with the plan of "lynching for a strong end game"? I highly doubt this. No one comes into a game with some pregame plan like this. A normal answer to Swiss' question would have been general, but you gave such a specific, polished answer. You answering in such a way strongly leads me to believe that you carefully constructed this answer, feeling that it would be a safe response to Swiss.

Second, why would you have this gameplan in the first place? Ryker touched on this earlier. There's no way you should be giving more experienced players the benefit of the doubt. Scum is scum. If anything you should be trying to get more out of skilled players because of their difficulty to read.

July, feel free to ignore this request.

Ryker might be fishing for a quick lynch like he did in Utricked. I do not want him to do this as either alignment.
There was no reason for you to post this. Tell me, do you think that July as town would blindly follow Ryker??? If not then WHY DID YOU POST THIS?

Do you think the rest of town would have allowed a quicklynch even if July did vote? If anything it would have been worth seeing July's response to Ryker and so on.


I'm stopping you from doing something derppy.

I don't want DH at L-1 until everyone has posted more and a fair amount. I'm skeptical of voting shinanigans with a vote blocker around.
What does this mean???

Btw, if I see anything like what Felipe did to Bardull, I will do more than hand out infractions.

/modtalk
@mod: Ryu edited his post here.

I know I'm an ******
If you link me to the general area I will dig them up myself to read if possible. Even if you think you were bad I want to see how you played as either alignment.
This was very weird. Jdietz explained how difficult it would be to find the thread, it's so weird that you would put so much effort into perusing this just for weak meta. You are so trying to gain some town points by looking like you're doing some Ryu investigatin' with this.
 
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