Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[Swiss]

That's not hypocrtitical - that's smart.

Since you're currently letting your vote go to waste - vote Dietz now. I'll let you change it later if you can show sufficient reasoning.

 

[Orboknown]

Jdietz43 (3): th3kuzinator, Swiss

just wondering who the third vote is on him.
but yea, i suppose it can't hurt too much to Vote:Dietz for the moment.

 

[No Lynch]

Swiss tell me why you would expect Dietz to go along with you claiming to be his partner? Especially when you were trying to get him lynched. I guess I have to take you being ******** seriously.

 

[Swiss]

NL do you think someone has to go along with a gambit, for reads to be useful?

Because if you do, you're an idiot.

If you don't, why try and trap me?

You're defending Dietz like a crazy man, chainsaw stylee. Back off.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You're attacking Dietz like an idiot when it's clear he's being genuine instead of manipulative. Back off.

 

[Swiss]

I don't take orders from..lesser players.

 

[Orboknown]

so as of page 5 we had felipe and Bardull trying to fight, swiss being...swiss..
and now im off to english. bbl

 

[th3kuzinator]

Still not instigated.

 

[Swiss]

Still not instigated.

The smiley face shows you are.

Putting that in wasn't just an aside, it was an extra.

Amusingly, that wasn't even an attempt to get at you - I was simply asserting my authority over you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swiss, answer 643. Also, would you have continued to lynch Dietz if he had gone along with your claim?

 

[Swiss]

That would depend entirely on how he did it. Read intent, not outcome.

 

[Swiss]

I missed something. Someone referred to the 'pressure' on me as a wagon. Saw it on the way to work this morning.

Who was that? Dietz? RR?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

And Gorf, what's your read on Swiss?

Town. I don't see scumminess in his play. Sure he may be approaching some things at the wrong angle, but not at a scummy angle. Plus I'm seeing where he's coming from wrt things like seeing JDietz as scum. J's kinda null from what I'm getting, but I'm pretty sold on town for now. JDietz town flip may change some things but, yea, I'd need to see a flip in order to be sold on townDietz...

 

[Dabuz]

@Ryu: Why do you think that the vote-blocker chose to target you?

@Swiss: To answer the other part of your question, 2.5/10. I'm pretty bad at mafia :/ How would you describe your general mafia style? Why is the assumption that with neighbors, one must be scum?

@Orbo: What are your reads so far? Can you give solid reasoning to vote dietz?

@Dietz: Please summarize what has been discussed in your neighbor QT.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dabuz can die.

 

[Swiss]

@Swiss: To answer the other part of your question, 2.5/10. I'm pretty bad at mafia :/ How would you describe your general mafia style?

Justify why you are bad. I'm serious.

My style? How does this answer help affirm your reads? What are your reads?

Why is the assumption that with neighbors, one must be scum?

This is not my assumption in the slightest. My assumption is that only one can be scum, dependant on the terms of their flip.

I see no mod, especially Vanz, creating a game with scum partner neighbours. When you have neighbours, they can easily both be town, I simply do not believe Dietz is - due to the nature of his play.

Also, something I was considering on my lunch break. Why must we assume Dietz to be total noob scum? He could easily be a smarter player playing up to the newbie card.

 

[Swiss]

Damnit Ryker.

 

[Swiss]

Town. I don't see scumminess in his play. Sure he may be approaching some things at the wrong angle, but not at a scummy angle. Plus I'm seeing where he's coming from wrt things like seeing JDietz as scum. J's kinda null from what I'm getting, but I'm pretty sold on town for now. JDietz town flip may change some things but, yea, I'd need to see a flip in order to be sold on townDietz...

I agree, we need to see his flip.

KK, Dietz wagon it is.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I still don't like Ruy, even after his pg 15~16 stuff, totally fine with my vote there. @No Lynch is it right in me to assume your read on Ruy's been altered? If so, why?

Dabuz, need an answer: Are you entirely read up? Answer as soon as you see this.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Yea but J's gonna bitch and whatnot and, realistically, just about nobody's open to considering the possibility of Dietz scum (including J -_-) and nobody would support the wagon. You should totes vig em though.

 

[No Lynch]

I still don't like Ruy, even after his pg 15~16 stuff, totally fine with my vote there. @No Lynch is it right in me to assume your read on Ruy's been altered? If so, why?

Dabuz, need an answer: Are you entirely read up? Answer as soon as you see this.

Nah my read is the same. I'm glad you're keeping your vote there and I'd still would like those that I've asked to get on his wagon as well.



Swiss explain to me in bulletproof why dietz is scum. I want you to describe his intent behind each.

July, do you still believe that Bleck is playing in a layed back way? Have you gotten any information from them since you've placed your vote on them?

 

[No Lynch]

Way to come and post just as I was about to, Zen.

Dropped some stuff in the QT, look at it before you're saying a couple of things you're saying.

 

[No Lynch]

dabuz can die.

qf t

 

[No Lynch]

Oro, Swiss, Ryker, gorf. These are all that support dietz as scum yes?

Soup/Zen, DH, Kuz, J, July. See dietz as town.

RR, Rockin, dabuz, Felipe. Not given a read.

Those who have not given a read, please do. Ryu I'd especially liked to know how Rockin's comments have affected your read.

 

[No Lynch]

Oh snaps! k

 

[July]

Kuzi, I did highlight some very breif/short reasoning as to why I feel RR is scum. ._. July has shown some really good points in her big post as well.

@July: I didn't vote in that post because me and Gorf were bickering about some reads like Kuzi and Jdietz. in fact, that's why I haven't still moved it because I need to fully talk with him about it more. The rest Gorf will have to answer to. =p

Back to Kuzi, My head is still at you/RR haha nothing's really changed that TBH.

Kk that's fine, when Gorf gets on he should address those points, especially the one about Jdeitz's #386.

That's an opinion from Gorf. Iirc J has a null lean town read on em, don't quote me on that.

J had been steering the wheel for most, if not all, of the game near the beginning so I don't get where you're getting FFIX meta (unless J was in that game, don't recall, but if he was and you're talking about him forget about this point). As far as my response, I was wasted when I made it, which may attribute to the "laid back vibe" you're getting but as far as after that I'd like to see the laid back Gorf that makes you see this slot as scum.

Just doing a quick check in before bed. Peace niggz.

J was in that game, but I was referencing you because even if J has been steering the wheel, as a hydra neither of you were very serious in the beginning of the game and just kind of let things happen around you while managing a weak scumread on DH. I can't attribute that type of play to anything I've seen from J, but I can relate it to what I've seen from you in FFIX.

Argh, I'm just catching up tonight, but I am dissipointed in Jdietz. Hopefully when this game is over, I'm gonna have a long talk with you JdietZ.

First of all, yes, I will confirm that he is my neighbor. Second, I wasn't trying to manipulate him. I was just curious.I was planning on telling him what my role and nameclaim was. Yes, we're unconfirmed to each other, but I had nothing to hide. I was just trying to build some sort of trust with him.




As I said, I was willing to share him my role and nameclaim with him if he did (or if he just shared my name if he only did his. Whatever he felt comfortable I guess)





Wasn't given much of a chance. I was mostly hanging with my friend the early afternoon.



oh you kidder....:3

In anycase, I'm up to page 30 atm, so I'll be completely caught up soon.

Rockin, what was/is your read on Jdeitz? Has your read on him changed since he revealed himself and you as neighbors or as a result of his interactions with Swiss?

Leans town.

I need him alive for now anyway so you're not allowed to lynch him.

Fine.

But I am the disappoint in your scum read on Jdeitz, as well as the fact that you've been so selective in what you use against Jdeitz, focusing pretty much on his reaction to your gambit with your preconceived notions of how he should have reacted and not his reaction to the situation in its entirety.

Nah my read is the same. I'm glad you're keeping your vote there and I'd still would like those that I've asked to get on his wagon as well.



Swiss explain to me in bulletproof why dietz is scum. I want you to describe his intent behind each.

July, do you still believe that Bleck is playing in a layed back way? Have you gotten any information from them since you've placed your vote on them?

No, I think Bleck has improved their play from when I first called them out, and I like that I've gotten reads from them and they are actually taking stances without being provoked right now. The Kuz v. Bleck conversation made me feel better about both parties, going into that without a read on Kuz and with a scum read on Bleck. Kuz is looking slightly town after that, and after giving in on his Jdeitz scum read when there was clear evidence to the contrary. Honestly, I still have a scum lean on Bleck, there is something about their play that I don't trust and that doesn't feel completely authentic to me, but I'm willing to compromise on that for now and watch how they play out for the rest of the Day. Annnd I'm especially willing to compromise if it means getting attention back on scummy RR rather than this stupid push on Jdeitz.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Play is on Dietz or RR. Vig is on the other (you, Swiss?). Doc is on me because swag. Investigate Kuz.

Unvote Vote Dietz

DH, Dabuz, and NL can all die and I'd lose no sleep. Swiss, me, and July need to not die, but scum won't kill July, so w/e.

If by some god forsaken reason, Kuz is investigative, search Swiss or J.

I should probably read the game more thoroughly today.

 

[July]

Play is on Dietz or RR. Vig is on the other (you, Swiss?). Doc is on me because swag. Investigate Kuz.

Unvote Vote Dietz

DH, Dabuz, and NL Orboknown can all die and I'd lose no sleep. Swiss, me, and July need to not die, but scum won't kill July, so w/e.

If by some god forsaken reason, Kuz is investigative, search Swiss or J.

I should probably read the game more thoroughly today.

Fixed that for you.

 

[No Lynch]

Ryker, what is your read on Rockin and Felipe?
Why don't you want Oro dead :3?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dumb town and null.

He's unimportant. He's probably town. Going back to being unimportant, he gives me nothing. If I lynch him, I get his flip. If I lynch JD or Ruy, I get so much more AND I think we're more likely to hit scum.

Now, why should I reconsider?

 

[No Lynch]

I don't think you should. He just seems like someone you would have put in you're wont lose sleep over pile:

God, I was almost spewing baseless WIFOM simply because Swiss put me in the mood and for no other reason.

Orbo, you are currently number one on my vig list. How can you rectify this?

Scratch that, you are number two. I forgot Felipe was in this game.

Regardless, question stands, I simply took some of the edge off to gauge your reaction without immediate threat of death.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Technically? Those are all people I have scum reads on. It wasn't a vig list.

 

[No Lynch]

your and you're and your and you're*

Ha why do you have a scum read on us? Also the only way dietz is dying is by a night kill. I'm not vigging him.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because you're ugly.

I disagree with most every direction you're trying to push the game in.

 

[No Lynch]

The only two we've pushed are DH and Ryu. Now Swiss. That should be the only one you disagree on. Doesn't seem like you disagree with either DH or Ryu. Or even Felipe who we've found suspicious. So yeah that's a lie.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Sigh, if I don't prove you wrong within 4 hours, lynch me. I HAVE to finish this kitchen I've put off before people get back to my house or my life is over.

 

[No Lynch]

We aint lynching you. We don't think you're scum, just wrong.

 

[Orboknown]

@Orbo: What are your reads so far? Can you give solid reasoning to vote dietz?

literally quick read so far.
Im gonna operate under swiss&ryker town until proven scummy.
Kuz town.
NL null.
DH...null
Dietz im voting because im trusting swiss till i get my own reads

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Ryu: Why do you think that the vote-blocker chose to target you?

@Swiss: To answer the other part of your question, 2.5/10. I'm pretty bad at mafia :/ How would you describe your general mafia style? Why is the assumption that with neighbors, one must be scum?

@Orbo: What are your reads so far? Can you give solid reasoning to vote dietz?

@Dietz: Please summarize what has been discussed in your neighbor QT.

[/QUOTE]

I have no clue, still think it is a mafia role.

First guess, I draw PRs/Cop a lot, otherwise idk.

Let me ask you this, what do you gain from each of these questions?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

literally quick read so far.
Im gonna operate under swiss&ryker town until proven scummy.
Kuz town.
NL null.
DH...null
Dietz im voting because im trusting swiss till i get my own reads

Think for yourself, don't be a sheep.