Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[~Bleck Mang~]

This was in reference to Dietz?

Yes .

 

[No Lynch]

I don't know where I'm going yet, but I do have a good place to look.

Zen has been hogging the spotlight for a while now, and I'm going to let him keep doing that, right now I'm discussing alternatives.

Ryu, Why did you want to claim ownership for making the swiss case?

I'm not ready to out anything yet and I'm trying to get Zen to stop posting every 10 seconds, we've made good progress in the QT and there needs to be more balance between us.

Until then.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Spoiler

Totally not ripping off Ryker with style, cause I like it.

Why I want people to vote Swiss because I cannot!
Part 1: Dark Horse vs Swiss​

First lets start with the DH v Swiss and how it started, DH made one post an immediately left RvS due to it. Here is the first post.

You know, we could just say something like "Vote: No Lynch (player)" to vote for the hydra.

Also, Nl, why were you asking Dietz why he hadn't voted yet, when really the only things so far have been RVS votes and you vs Ditz?

Oh, you make it too easy.

Vote: Dark Horse

What an odd push.

DH's first question is legitimate for game purposes, not something to fret over, Still should have been directed at the mod but perfectly acceptable.

Second was asking NL for why he cared for Deitz not voting when others have done the same, this is a fair point.

There is no purpose for this vote for that post.

I did indeed read.

Unlike you, I saw.

Speak.

This post confirms he indeed saw the said post in question and was pushing based on said post. He is doing it but does not specify the problem.

That's quite some interesting stuff you said about me Swiss, considering ryker hasn't posted yet, nor have I mentioned anything about you or ryker.

Now, if you were to try and claim that I am that transparent, then you'd be terribly mistaken.

Nl, you had pulled him into an argument immediately after his first post. Why should he just Vote someone in the middle of it all?

Dark Horse questions what the purpose of this RvS like question was? Why did Swiss mention these two out of the blue? These are valid questions.The other addresses the transparent comments sent at DH, also addressing the question in another manor.

The one thing I am going to note is that DH doesn't answer whom he would, but I also fail to see why this is important.

@DH: Why shouldn't he? Why haven't you? You usually do.

If you vote in the middle of an argument, and claim it was RVS, you're launching it ino a dark road of believing and questions, as, to someone who sees a vote in the middle of an argument without an explanation, RVS will not be enough.

So NL, why are you now trying a pujsh on me?

I can see the thought process of this.

He is saying if you declare the vote was RvS, it becomes hard to see how serious a vote was at the early stages. He questioned the validity of how Deitz voted.

~

Now stopping here and moving back to DH's #45

Swiss says,

You are scum.

That's it? next.

So what agenda are you serving? Your vagueness an demands are quickly proving that it's not town.

Dark Horse here wants to know what Swiss is doing with reasoning because all Swiss said was you are scum. He wanted elaboration from Swiss who did remain vague about it.

You imply I follow an anti-town agenda.

What, precisely, is anti-town?

Be concise, be accurate - I will not give you another chance.

Unless his next post contains a very specific point - DH dies today.

Swiss completely ignores his question and offers a different rebuttal, playing on H's over defensiveness. Swiss claims he is looking for a specific point, let's see if he tells what it is.

Swiss, why don't you go and prove how your posts benefit town? Until you can, I see no reason for me to play your game.

An innocent man has nothing to hide.

NL, I don't think much about it, considering that Felipe's vote seems to largely be due to RVS.

I agree this is defensive, but the point here is that Swiss isn't giving anything to show what DH is responsible for and needs to correct.

Lynch DH.

I rest.

Anyone voting DH on a successful lynch earns my blessing, and lynch immunity for toMorrow.

Ok, so what did he do wrong, and what about what he is asking you? Instead he remains vague an ignores any questionnaire from DH.

Bardull is clearly dumbtown
DH is scum

Still nothing to go into his reasoning to why and what he was looking for DH to do, so there is no way to see where his read is coming from.

No Lynch is the only person among, BH, Swiss, and NL to actually offer an alternative is possible.

Town, I make an announcement to all:

How has this here Swiss proven himself to be town? He hasn't. All of his actions are shrowded and vague. Nothing he has done so far has added up, and his posts seem to serve a differing agenda than the towns. I have ordered him to prove me wrong, and this is the response: simply a mindless repeat of "Lynch DH."

Vote: Swiss

(Note to self: never read that much William Faulkner in one night again. It causes a mental overload)

Swiss, are you going to finally quit playing pretend; pretend that you are far superior to everyone here?

Entirely legitimate.

Swiss never once specified his thought process remaining vague about what he was looking for and what DH was doing wrong for Swiss to vote him and what his last chance was.

Swiss offers nothing, only letting other players fill in the gaps for him for anyone whom agrees with him.

I make no assertions to my own alignment. 'Nor do I state I must not be lynched.

I merely point out your scum slips.

Merely.

None of which is explained what he saw exactly nor answering DH when he asked questions. He completely ignored him until here.

You're giving yourself too much credibility.

You haven't even gone the lengths to point out how they are wrong: you have just simply proclaimed me as scum and left it at that.

Again, legitimate.

Swiss has not told DH tangible reasons to why he is scum. Only ones he can infer, he keeps asking what exactly Swiss is calling him out on.

Ryker earlier at this point lists a reason, but Swiss refuses to said it himself only to have others fill in the gaps.

~

Conclusion​

Swiss makes no attempts and inferring DH's alignment outside of the first posts he makes. Swiss then besides on him to fix a point that he never addresses nor says, he never lists why he thinks DH is scum outside of stating he is scum.

Only Ryker, and No Lynch actually address DH as to why people are voting him, Swiss makes no attempt to change this. Swiss proceeds with bully tactics and blatantly ignoring DH's questions back.

He is deflecting and straw manning DH over the first few pages.

Part 1 done, Part 2 incoming after I go shopping for food.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't know where I'm going yet, but I do have a good place to look.

Zen has been hogging the spotlight for a while now, and I'm going to let him keep doing that, right now I'm discussing alternatives.

Ryu, Why did you want to claim ownership for making the swiss case?

I'm not ready to out anything yet and I'm trying to get Zen to stop posting every 10 seconds, we've made good progress in the QT and there needs to be more balance between us.

Until then.

Because I got multiple parts, leave this to me.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Sorry, first time I've ever used that gif after wanting to for months...

But still.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

oH MAN THERE'S A PART 2?

 

[Jdietz43]

@Dietz: Please summarize what has been discussed in your neighbor QT.

Pretty much, I came in breaking the ice asking Rockin for a cup of sugar (lol), he broke the ice back saying ok but only if I let him have kool-aid in return (lol), I said sure thing but you have to dress up in a white jumpsuit and Nikes and drink it with me (double lol), then I rhetorically questioned why Swiss was being so weird and if he was always like that or just doing something weird, He said he was reading up now and saw I was coming off as new and asked me if I was and if I was if I wanted tips and said he didn't think Swiss was that bad "but eh", I confirmed I was indeed new at this game if 2 forum games among noobs and about 5 rounds of late night irl mafia is new, he said try not to act naive in the game because mafia might try to take advantage of that and he didn't want that and asked me what my name and role was, I told him Elric was my name but I wasn't sure if I should tell him the role because it might not be a good idea so I'd ask the rest of the town first, (I came out and asked), I said omg Swiss is claiming to be you wtf why would he ever do that, he said he was kinda dissapointed I outed our neighborship and said he just wanted to get to know me and if I didn't want to say I didn't have to, I said that's what I figured but I wanted to check with the other townies if it was a good idea or not and they took it kind of badly and I could sort of see why they might.

And that's been it so far. Does that help?

I'd like to hear why you haven't said anything at all before now in return though, I don't mind giving this info out to the rest of town but you really haven't done anything yet and it looks kinda bad (or at least not helpful)


That goes double for Orboknown... especially after he said he was just going to follow Swiss :/

 

[No Lynch]

....

Guys look how obvious mafia JDietz being this honest must be a scum-tell, he even straight up claimed his flavor this guy is just literally fishing for townie points now omfg lynch him pls

Anyone voting JDietz after that is insane.

 

[Jdietz43]

About this Swiss business, here's how I see it from a newbie perspective. NL, Kuz, and RR have done some great writeups I probably can't hold candles to, but here's the nitty gritty:

He came in, acted arrogant but maybe plausible, and pushed people in really weird ways that I couldn't follow while I was busy trying to figure out how to play my role as townie. He saw my fear to make firm stances in the first 24 hours or so and jumped on the opportunity to go after a noob when Kuz threw his vote down on me even though he just voted. After I realized hiding in a hole from the mafia as a townie wasn't doing me or the rest of the town any good Kuz stopped and left Swiss holding the rope of a really bad scum slip up when he tried to push my lynch through by claiming to be my neighbor.

After that it seems like he just became infuriated that he screwed up so badly that even the newest player in the game figured out he was scummy and not making logical choices and ended up pinning him for it that he just bit in and kept trying. That's the only explanation I can think of for how bad this Swiss vs. me train of thought is going... and honestly that makes me lol

I know that wasn't as elegant as other people have put it, but it gets my thoughts across.


I'm also feeling slightly better about Ryu because he's acting at least a little more like what I know him to be like irl the last day or so. He's posting stuff and it's more in a vein that makes logical sense like he usually talks. (though I really didn't see the NL vs him thing sitting right with me from what I know of him) Still giving him a weird look, but I'm glad it's not quite as intense as it used to be. I can even see him saying that think NL didn't like about who he wanted in Lylo, not that it was all that great, but I could see him saying it lol unlike some of the other stuff

Rockin seems ok to me, Ryker however does not, he just came off really bad from my view swearing a lot and buddying up to Swiss even when he was acting really anti-town

NL and Kuz are still saints to me lol

(I also straight rolled when I found out how big a deal people were making that I thought Kuz's name was Kaz at first. XP)


Welp there's my recent 2 cents, I feel like there's prob. more to say but I'm sure it'll come to me if I re-read

 

[Jdietz43]

ohyeah that's it: J you've gotta talk to Gorf or something, posting "didn't read" gifs (and him still not liking me but that's ok lol :<) doesn't make you guys look good

that's def. all then unless anyone asks me something important

 

[Jdietz43]

@dabuz: Oh and Rockin told me his character name too in our QT as a last sentence in his last post to me but I won't say it here unless he wants to since he probably wouldn't want me saying stuff that isn't mine to spread around after I came to town asking for advice and making it known we were neighbors like that


triple post editing ftw

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Jay, can we be full on town bros?

 

[No Lynch]

JDietz I would go to the depths of hell and back just for you, I will fight every ****ing demon on your wagon with my bear hands until they see that you are but an innocent townie lost in a state of confusion.

I will personally ****ing grab somebody by the neck and tie them to the noose if anyone were even to slightly call you scum

Yeah i'm hardbuddying deal with it, JDIETZ IS SO OBVIOUS TOWN AND THE APPARENT BEST PLAYERS IN THE GAME FAIL TO SEE THAT[/b]

I'm gonna grab a drink and try and calm down, I can't wait for Swiss' reply.

 

[Jdietz43]

Jay, can we be full on town bros?

We totes could be if you're town too lol

(we can also bake muffins!... or we could bake muffins even you aren't town........... I like muffins)

 

[Jdietz43]

No Lynch is making me cry... XP

I swear I'll have to use one of the quotes you say about me as a sig when the game is done lol

 

[Jdietz43]

I do have one more question as I read through now though:

Notice how I fail to whine and bleat when Ryker suggests I be copped. Because I, unlike yourself, would welcome the town points. Maybe it would let these thick headed imbeciles follow me more easily.

I thought Ryker was the one who wanted the cop to protect him though? Or did Swiss think Ryker said Swiss should be protected and he's just being... uh Swiss I guess.

(17,000 posts in 3 seconds I know lol, if I could condense it into one big post I would but editing in this game would be really bad)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Going to system restore my computer. God knows what affect that will have on my ability to play the game. Probably gonna be out for the night. If nothing goes wrong, that'll be all I'm gone for, but the last time I system restored, my computer died.

 

[Rockin]

Oro, Swiss, Ryker, gorf. These are all that support dietz as scum yes?

Soup/Zen, DH, Kuz, J, July. See dietz as town.

RR, Rockin, dabuz, Felipe. Not given a read.

Those who have not given a read, please do. Ryu I'd especially liked to know how Rockin's comments have affected your read.

A read on what? You mean my opinion about Jdietz, Red Ryu (if it is, I'll do my best to answer your question either tonight or tomorrow afternoon. I gotta re-read stuff about him), or in general?

July, to answer your question....I'm having really mixed feelings about him. LOL. He's using the n00b method REALLY hardcore. It's at the point where it's becoming a great concern to me (alignment wise and how helpful he'll be later on in game). Currently, I'm not in support for his lynch, but I really hope he shapes himself up a bit...which reminds me.

No Lynch, are you really that supportive with the way he's currently playing? Nevermind his alignent.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

July is a "she"

 

[Rockin]

July is a "she"

I know.

I was refering to Jdietz. She asked me my opinion about Jdietz

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh woops, thought that was gender confusion, my bad.

 

[July]

Unvote

Dammit this is like the exact opposite of RR from Britches and Hose who made accusations and promised cases and never followed through on them. I'd also expect you to play it a little safer, maybe not jumping on the easiest wagon (JDeitz) but I don't see you pushing Swiss unless either you are town and genuinely think he's scum OR if you were his scum mate and he encouraged you to do so. I find the former more likely right now.

GORD

I know you've been on and there is still a question about JDeitz from my #565 I'd like you to address. I know you hate walls so I'll repost my comments/question here:

I like JDeitz #386:

No sorry, they'd be deep in the archives by now and I don't care to dig them up. You can look them up if you have gusto but honestly I don't want to just hand them to you because you're looking like scum this game. I'll prob. elaborate on my feelings on people now that I actually have something to talk about.

Don't worry though, we were all terribad at the game XP. Literally none of us had played before.



No, I didn't get to be told my neighbor's alignment. They asked me like: After I confirmed that I was new they quipped I should try not to appear naive they wouldn't want mafia to take advantage of me in any way, then followed with "so, what is your name and role btw?"

The bluntness of that response 1) isn't something I would expect from noobscum, who I think would want to avoid confrontation and just appease whatever requests someone makes, and 2) that mindset, "I don't want to give too much information to someone I think is scum", seems like an inherently town mindset I think it would be hard for Jdeitz to fake.

Bleck Mang (aka Gord), you seem to still think Jdeitz is scum. Thoughts on his #386, and do you think that my interpretation of it (somewhere further up in this post) is inaccurate?

@Rockin: Kk, please keep us up to date if that read significantly changes one way or the other.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

^ Is that all you want me to respond to?

 

[July]

Yes, J handled the other parts but I still want to see your opinion on that specifically.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

The bluntness of that response 1) isn't something I would expect from noobscum, who I think would want to avoid confrontation and just appease whatever requests someone makes, and 2) that mindset, "I don't want to give too much information to someone I think is scum", seems like an inherently town mindset I think it would be hard for Jdeitz to fake.

Bleck Mang (aka Gord), you seem to still think Jdeitz is scum. Thoughts on his #386, and do you think that my interpretation of it (somewhere further up in this post) is inaccurate?

I thought about it, and a culmanation of talking to J, Dietz' more recent play, and just the idea that I'm probz going on tunnel vision are making me kinda lean off Dietz. Kinda.

I'm gonna go off of what your analysis is of it: the first point you make is that noobscum wouldn't be as confrontational as Dietz was in that bolded section. Okay... but look at what players like Kuz, players like me, players like anybody that was pressuring him prior to that were saying. That he was being way too neutral, that everything had a backdoor. No, that doesn't have a backdoor in the bolded, but look at the context. He was iffy about giving Ruy the info about his older website. THAT'S IT. In the big scheme of things... so what?! If he was scum, I wouldn't put it past his scummates to tell em to make more direct stances, and hell, I can STILL probably quote like five examples supporting my argument over your claim, maybe even after that post... But I digress.

Your second point is valid.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Rockin: Did you specifically offer the option just to nameclaim to each other in the qt?

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin: Did you specifically offer the option just to nameclaim to each other in the qt?

Nope. Nameclaim and roleclaim.

If he wanted to just name claim, he could if he wanted to.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Where's your head at? Who do you want lynched toDay as of now?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I just wanted to clarify a few things. The J side(me) has a towny read on Swiss and not a null because it feels stronger than null.

The more I think about Rockin this game, the more I'm okay with him just being gone because his slot is like giving me nothing and his posts just lack substance. He is just here whenever he posts and I don't like that about him.

I like July this game but her unvote post w.r.t. RR has me taking a quick-relook at her for a second. I don't like the hop-off of RR so quickly especially when she seemed really wanting his lynch almost as bad as she wanted our lynch; especially for a reason she tried to justify as meta instead of a more...concrete point(?) would be the word?

July, you say you like RR's post attacking Swiss because he is attacking Swiss. What about the post itself do you like? Can you also explain how Swiss is not an easy target considering the only people not willing to lynch him are Bleck/Ryker it seems (though Ryker is beginning to waver possibly with him thinking Swiss needs an investigation if Kuzi is it)

Anoooooother note from me, dabuz's last posts also just lack actual stuff. However, I don't really see scumDabuz compared with my own experience with him. It's like a complete difference to how he played in......I can't remember the game I replaced into but the scum-team was Ryker/Gova/dabuz. Though I want more from him to actually get a read so he is still null.

Orbo is so painfully null he is probably my first candidate for viggy shooting.

 

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (9):
Jdietz43 (4): th3kuzinator, Swiss, Orboknown, Ryker
Swiss (2): Jdietz43, Dark Horse,
Red Ryu (1): Bleck Mang
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (4):
dabuz
No Lynch
July
Red Ryu

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh yeah.

Unvote

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Unvote

Ryker, you're bothering me. Stop bothering me. I think you're town, but god you are being lazy this game. Do something besides taunt people by making death threats to their slot.

^^^I agree to this as well very much so. It's bothering me how comfy Ryker seems to just be here and not do anything and be taunting as such. It's not really scummy, it's just making me bothered about him.

Ryker, can you give an opinion on RR's case on Swiss? Can you also tell me which one of your "can die" list are the most you are willing to die.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Oh yeah.

Unvote

Kuzi, since I have ya here, do ya mind if I pick your brain a tad?

What is your read on Rockin? If the Swiss wagon continued picking up speed, would you join in?

*just saw vote-count*

Wooooow, I completely forgot Felipe was even in this game. He is in the same category as Orbo.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Rocking currently is null. I would.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Terrible and no.

 

[Rockin]

The more I think about Rockin this game, the more I'm okay with him just being gone because his slot is like giving me nothing and his posts just lack substance. He is just here whenever he posts and I don't like that about him.

Kinda difficult for me to give out a proper read atm with everyone posting more consistantly then normal (not to mention today I've gotten late today). LIke I said, I'll give more of an read either tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

 

[No Lynch]

Kuz I know I said it could pass, but please elaborate on your "nl is probably town" post. My post before that shouldn't have done anything to give you that read. Elab .

Kuz^

Sigh, if I don't prove you wrong within 4 hours, lynch me. I HAVE to finish this kitchen I've put off before people get back to my house or my life is over.

Wasn't this before my nap? What a failure.

A read on what? You mean my opinion about Jdietz, Red Ryu (if it is, I'll do my best to answer your question either tonight or tomorrow afternoon. I gotta re-read stuff about him), or in general?

July, to answer your question....I'm having really mixed feelings about him. LOL. He's using the n00b method REALLY hardcore. It's at the point where it's becoming a great concern to me (alignment wise and how helpful he'll be later on in game). Currently, I'm not in support for his lynch, but I really hope he shapes himself up a bit...which reminds me.

No Lynch, are you really that supportive with the way he's currently playing? Nevermind his alignent.

This post pisses me off. You don't get to say "idk hurpdurp" in this. You have a read on dietz. Give it to me. Town or Scum? Actually you don't even get to claim that you think he is scum. Ever. He is town to you. If you ever claim otherwise, I'll make sure of your death.

There's no reason you would have claimed your character to him in the QT after the whole neighborhood reveal if you thought he had scum intentions.

Rockin I want you to clearly say that you believe dietz is town. Stop trying to avoid taking stances.

With regards to your question, why the hell would that matter? It's his first game here, we should be helping him to improve, not lynching him because we don't like how he plays. Why would you ever lynch someone you had a town read on because you don't like how he's playing? Why the heck did you ask me this? wtf? The more that I look into this, the more horrible it gets. "Nevermind his alignment". WTF?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Anyone who believes I am town should follow me.

This bothers me more than anything else Swiss has posted thus far.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@DH: Why have you dropped of the face of the earth since your wagon dissipated? Who do you currently want to lynch at this time?