Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[th3kuzinator]

@RR: What's your read on DH?

 

[No Lynch]

Kuz, looking back, the reason you dropped dietz was because you felt that his unknown neighbor partner was scum. Now that you don't think that, why didn't you go back to dietz?

 

[Rockin]

This post pisses me off. You don't get to say "idk hurpdurp" in this. You have a read on dietz. Give it to me. Town or Scum? Actually you don't even get to claim that you think he is scum. Ever. He is town to you. If you ever claim otherwise, I'll make sure of your death.

There's no reason you would have claimed your character to him in the QT after the whole neighborhood reveal if you thought he had scum intentions.

I do think he's town. It's just the way he plays (in terms of the n00biness) makes me uncomfortable a bit, tis all.

Rockin I want you to clearly say that you believe dietz is town. Stop trying to avoid taking stances.

Not trying to avoid.

With regards to your question, why the hell would that matter? It's his first game here, we should be helping him to improve, not lynching him because we don't like how he plays. Why would you ever lynch someone you had a town read on because you don't like how he's playing? Why the heck did you ask me this? wtf? The more that I look into this, the more horrible it gets. "Nevermind his alignment". WTF?

Who said I wanted him lynched? I don't want to lynch him based on how he's playing (or ever, for any reason). I do want to help him improve (as should everyone else). It just sounds like you approve of the current n00biness he's playing (and well, not trying to help him approve).

In anycase, this arguement is best saved after the game is over.

 

[No Lynch]

Co o.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuz, looking back, the reason you dropped dietz was because you felt that his unknown neighbor partner was scum. Now that you don't think that, why didn't you go back to dietz?

I don't recall ever saying this.

 

[No Lynch]

Wait Rockin why did you ask me that then? If it's an aftergame conversation what was the point of brining it up here?

Spoiler

To fake content

 

[th3kuzinator]

Let me rephrase that actually. I said I thought his partner was scum but then explained why I changed my mind on that. I don't recall saying that the reason my read on Dietz changed was because his neighbor was scum instead.

 

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (8):
Jdietz43 (3): Swiss, Orboknown, Ryker
Swiss (2): Jdietz43, Dark Horse,
Red Ryu (1): Bleck Mang
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (5):
dabuz
No Lynch
July
Red Ryu
th3kuzinator

 

[th3kuzinator]

The amount of caution that he STILL makes in his posts. The way that every intent in all of his posts is to appeal to town and try to look good in town's eyes. DH's chainsaw defense of em that I've pointed out like twice that apparently continues to be ignored (see: first page), but that'd be pending on a DH scum flip so w.e. His lack of doing ANYTHING until told to. His complete absense between his last post the very first day and his "wall of text". Hell, looking at it from the angle of "his scummates wouldn't be dumb enough to let em do that", if it was geared by his scummates, the ONLY one was that "WoT", which didn't reveal much. Really, he's just screaming noobscum to me.

Gorf, do you still hold this opinion after Dietz's 728?

 

[No Lynch]

I would be in support of you telling me who your partner is. I would also be in support of lynching that person.

This is the first sign you gave about a view switch on dietz. I assume that you wouldn't have thought they'd both be scum and found that his unknown partner seemed like scum trying to get info which is why you put dietz aside.

If this isn't the case, then give me the specifics in his post that made you change your read. You never explained why you suddenly shifted. Also stop avoiding the elaboration question. You know very well why I want you to explain it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Not going to answer it. I gain nothing from substantiating a town read of little consequence.

367 iirc was the post that Dietz claimed and the post that completely made my read on him flip. My reasoning is similar to yours in that the intent of every post he's made since that one has screamed town to me. My read was solidified further when I re-read starting from page one and his explanation of why he was so indecisive matched up with his play from the very start. If Dietz is mafia, he must secretly be a genius or his mates are doing an unbelievable job. I just don't see him being a Xonar jr. at this point.

 

[July]

I just wanted to clarify a few things. The J side(me) has a towny read on Swiss and not a null because it feels stronger than null.

The more I think about Rockin this game, the more I'm okay with him just being gone because his slot is like giving me nothing and his posts just lack substance. He is just here whenever he posts and I don't like that about him.

I like July this game but her unvote post w.r.t. RR has me taking a quick-relook at her for a second. I don't like the hop-off of RR so quickly especially when she seemed really wanting his lynch almost as bad as she wanted our lynch; especially for a reason she tried to justify as meta instead of a more...concrete point(?) would be the word?

July, you say you like RR's post attacking Swiss because he is attacking Swiss. What about the post itself do you like? Can you also explain how Swiss is not an easy target considering the only people not willing to lynch him are Bleck/Ryker it seems (though Ryker is beginning to waver possibly with him thinking Swiss needs an investigation if Kuzi is it)

Anoooooother note from me, dabuz's last posts also just lack actual stuff. However, I don't really see scumDabuz compared with my own experience with him. It's like a complete difference to how he played in......I can't remember the game I replaced into but the scum-team was Ryker/Gova/dabuz. Though I want more from him to actually get a read so he is still null.

Orbo is so painfully null he is probably my first candidate for viggy shooting.

Kk, had to break this post down a bit lol.

@Bolded: At this point I don't know who I want to lynch for sure, which is why my vote is not on anyone right now. I still think you could be scum, but you've shown a logical thought process and you've explained your reads significantly well so I don't have issues with you not taking stances or being too vague or casual about your vote anymore. However, there are still a lot of posts that I don't see town intent behind, and I didn't see town intent behind Gord's suspicions of JDeitz, and that's what keeps me cautious about you.

RR was then my second scum pick and undoubtedly if it comes down to him or JDeitz, I would vote RR. I don't want to elaborate on this read yet (don't let me forget about it though, I'll address it when it's pertinent), and I would like to hold off on explaining the question I made blue there until then.

Anyways, at one point you were my top lynch priority with RR a close second and a priority for compromise sake. My lynch preferences kinda looked like this:

|--Orbo/Dabuz------------DH---------RR---Bleck Mang---|

null-------------------Leaning Scum-------------------Scum



Now it's kinda like this:

|--Orbo/Dabuz----------DH--RR--Bleck Mang-------------|

null----------------- Leaning Scum---------------------Scum


Possibly Swiss?



There are some factors I want to take into account for both you and RR that I want to see where they go. For you, a big one was your read on JDeitz and your justification for it. I like that Gord didn't try to bull**** his way through invalidating my second point about JDeitz's #386, that was a good sign to me. DH isn't here so he's just hanging around the scum lean where he left off.

Swiss is difficult, and I want to see why people are suspicious enough and confident in their reads enough want to lynch him toDay. For me, I have weak suspicions of him; I'm not confident he would flip scum and I'm definitely not sure that lynching him toDay is the best plan of action. However, I'd like to hear people's arguments that it is. @Underlined: I don't consider Swiss an easy target; getting people to suspect him and getting him lynched are very different things. Plenty of people suspected him in Britches and Hose, yet getting the lynch through on him simply never happened. Also, if Bleck, Ryker, and obviously Swiss are against it, that makes it 10 people possibly for it. 9 since RR can't vote. Then there are the unknowns (dabuz, Rockin, felipe, orboknown) who I don't honestly know where they would side on a Swiss lynch. So I think it is possible, but not to be taken for granted as an "easy target" or "easy lynch" at all. And like I said, I'm not ready to throw Swiss into the lynch pit yet; I want to see more of the case on him before deciding if the suspicions against him or sufficient for a lynch or not.

 

[Swiss]

Unless there's a scumteam of like, 6, pushing me - you guys be dumb.

Mfw Kuz makes any post....

 

[No Lynch]

Unvote

Dammit this is like the exact opposite of RR from Britches and Hose who made accusations and promised cases and never followed through on them. I'd also expect you to play it a little safer, maybe not jumping on the easiest wagon (JDeitz) but I don't see you pushing Swiss unless either you are town and genuinely think he's scum OR if you were his scum mate and he encouraged you to do so. I find the former more likely right now.

Soupa is going to be mad that I'm still posting.

July I agree with bleck that you're unvote here is a bit strange. I looked over B&H and Ryu stated at the end that he would alter his play the next time he was scum and be more proactive. How does that affect your read?

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Might as well state where our head is at.

Vote: Felipe

Not lynching Swiss today. Maybe another day. There are better choices for today though. Felipe/DH/dabuz.

 

[No Lynch]

Why do I keep putting you're instead of your. Usually people do the opposite. Swiss get on Felipe with us.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why felipe besides the fact that he hasn't done anything? How does he differ from Dabuz/Orbo?

 

[Swiss]

Felipe is a very silly direction to go in.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swiss, Dietz case. Also just try and tell me that 728 is faked. You're wrong here.

 

[Swiss]

Not lynching Swiss today. Maybe another day. There are better choices for today though. Felipe/DH/dabuz.

Not another day. Wait for me to be NK'd.

And the more I look at this the more wtf this post is.

Felipe - What scummy actions has he done? What implciations does his flip have? Why is he scum not useless?

DH - Decent lynch, should net a scum.

Dabuz - Meh. Null. Waste of a lynch imo.

@ RR - I'm not letting you lynch me and that's final. So choose another lynch you want. Your case was mind numbingly....slow

 

[Swiss]

Swiss, Dietz case. Also just try and tell me that 728 is faked. You're wrong here.

After work, 8:10AM here, ETA 12 hours. Might grab a game of LoL first, wanna hit 1300ELO.

Pretty much, I came in breaking the ice asking Rockin for a cup of sugar (lol), he broke the ice back saying ok but only if I let him have kool-aid in return (lol), I said sure thing but you have to dress up in a white jumpsuit and Nikes and drink it with me (double lol), then I rhetorically questioned why Swiss was being so weird and if he was always like that or just doing something weird, He said he was reading up now and saw I was coming off as new and asked me if I was and if I was if I wanted tips and said he didn't think Swiss was that bad "but eh", I confirmed I was indeed new at this game if 2 forum games among noobs and about 5 rounds of late night irl mafia is new, he said try not to act naive in the game because mafia might try to take advantage of that and he didn't want that and asked me what my name and role was, I told him Elric was my name but I wasn't sure if I should tell him the role because it might not be a good idea so I'd ask the rest of the town first, (I came out and asked), I said omg Swiss is claiming to be you wtf why would he ever do that, he said he was kinda dissapointed I outed our neighborship and said he just wanted to get to know me and if I didn't want to say I didn't have to, I said that's what I figured but I wanted to check with the other townies if it was a good idea or not and they took it kind of badly and I could sort of see why they might.

And that's been it so far. Does that help?

I'd like to hear why you haven't said anything at all before now in return though, I don't mind giving this info out to the rest of town but you really haven't done anything yet and it looks kinda bad (or at least not helpful)


That goes double for Orboknown... especially after he said he was just going to follow Swiss :/

I see why people read townie intent into this guy, I really do. But if you look at his first posts, they're so safe. So calculated. His 'towniness' came in a burst after a specific post, and the post was a gambit he was told to do.

You know half the reason I think he's scum? Because the approach he's taking is exactly the same as the one I took in my first scum game. Play dumb and honest. Just because someone plays dumb, doesn't mean they are. I'd cite Chibo as reference but that's not applicable since he is actually that dumb.

Hell, if I set my almost overwhelming arrogance aside, I'm nearly willing to consider I may sometimes be not entirely accurate.

Also I forgot to say @ RR - Adventure Time? OS admitted he let himself be lynched - so I'd hardly call that me being wrong. Check the ranking thread to see him ripped apart about that. One of my reasons for lynching him was that he wasn't opposing it like a decent townie would. Gambit stylee.

 

[No Lynch]

Are you kidding. He's playing nothing like he has in his town games. I see this even more after reading skimming B&H.

First of he refrained from even trying to post something useful while he was here. What was the point of his supposed trolling of Bardull? That was so off.

I didn't like this, it doesn't seem like a legit excuse at all:

He already said if we want to no lynch we should vote Vote: No Lynch Target

And sorry, iw as stressed because today was the release date of the demo 0.8 of Super Smash Bros. Crusade (A fangame i was working on), so i had a hard day working >_>

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21368563/Smash_Bros_Crusade_ver._0.8.exe

Finnally here at least

Will not be here tomorrow. Someone messed uop really badly and the game's online mode and classic mode is broken >_<

He's been concerned with the weirdest stuff:

You guys are incredible, really. This is like the fifth i said ignore that post. I misreared the name of who wrote it.

The posts around this time were just very odd.

I also know that he saw the question I asked him on the first page and pretended that he skimmed it when he didn't. And the fact that he has viewed the thread multiple times without saying anything, I dislike as well. Even if he hasn't had the time to catch up really, the town felipe I have seen would be posting regardless, saying why he hasn't been on.

 

[No Lynch]

reading
of > off*

 

[No Lynch]

Not another day. Wait for me to be NK'd.

Yeah I'm sure we (soup/zen) pretty much agree with this. Not sure why Kuz was leeching off of our push on you. Little weird I'd say.

And the more I look at this the more wtf this post is.

Felipe - What scummy actions has he done? What implciations does his flip have? Why is he scum not useless?

DH - Decent lynch, should net a scum.

Dabuz - Meh. Null. Waste of a lynch imo.

First two have a high chance of hitting scum. The last one we need to get some info from.


Ryu what do you think about a dabuz lynch?

 

[Swiss]

NL, what exactly is your stance on me? I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from as you have your fingers in so many pies.

Busybusybusyhydra.

 

[No Lynch]

It's one stance bro, but yea I do like pie. The case I made on you earlier was just a theory. We see you as town for the most part. Help us lynch Felipe. My name is Jaylen and I am a super saiyan.

 

[Swiss]

Not lynching Felipe

 

[No Lynch]

Why does he appear to view the thread every time his name is mentioned?

 

[felipe_9595]

NL, where did that come from, you are getting a little bit paranoid.

http://www.indiedb.com/games/super-smash-bros-crusade

I have been pretty busy working on this game, we have to make a bugfix patch in 1 day (thats why i said i was not going to be here), believe what you want. But i have been really busy.

Also, i havent sleep in 2 days, i have read the topic but barely have any stances (Everybody knows my problem gettings reads due to my english, but you have to add i have sleet 2 hours in 2 days, my mental condition is not the best)

 

[No Lynch]

Answer me this one question: On a scale of 1-10 how mad would you be if we lynched you today?

 

[felipe_9595]

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tenchars

 

[No Lynch]

Alright then. Answer my questions toward you when you get some sleep then please mate. You've said you've read, but if you actually have you wouldn't have missed them.

 

[July]

Soupa is going to be mad that I'm still posting.

July I agree with bleck that you're unvote here is a bit strange. I looked over B&H and Ryu stated at the end that he would alter his play the next time he was scum and be more proactive. How does that affect your read?

Can I get to this when I get to Bleck's question that I promised to address later? If I don't address it tonight (I have class from 1 pm-9pm so sometime after that) then feel free to pressure me on it.

 

[Swiss]

It's one stance bro, but yea I do like pie. The case I made on you earlier was just a theory. We see you as town for the most part. Help us lynch Felipe. My name is Jaylen and I am a super saiyan.

Wait; you made a case on me when you thought I was town, or you thought I was scum, made a case and changed your mind?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This game's deadline is the fifth. Tactics deadline is tomorrow. I will not be rereading anything in this game until then (maybe not after). Not that I'm going to try and stay uninvolved here. I'm still here to comment and respond.

 

[Swiss]

Make sure you tell everyone how brilliant/accurate my case is when I post it.

 

[Swiss]

Also push the ETA of that case back - picked up two important roles so won't be leaving anytime soon.

 

[Dabuz]

Justify why you are bad. I'm serious.

My style? How does this answer help affirm your reads? What are your reads?

I am bad because I never play better than bad.

I was really just wondering whether your style involves being condescending, controlling, and intimidating.

My reads are:
RR scum
NL as town
Ryker leaning town
DH leaning town
Orb is dumb or scum
Dietz town
Kuz is leaning scum
Everyone else is null
I'm watching Swiss in particular because my opinion on you keeps changing.

This is not my assumption in the slightest. My assumption is that only one can be scum, dependant on the terms of their flip.

I see no mod, especially Vanz, creating a game with scum partner neighbours. When you have neighbours, they can easily both be town, I simply do not believe Dietz is - due to the nature of his play.

Also, something I was considering on my lunch break. Why must we assume Dietz to be total noob scum? He could easily be a smarter player playing up to the newbie card.

Oh, guess I misread :/ If Jdietz is playing up the noobcard, it will become reeeeeally obvious after a couple days.

I have no clue, still think it is a mafia role.

First guess, I draw PRs/Cop a lot, otherwise idk.

Let me ask you this, what do you gain from each of these questions?[/QUOTE]

Answers and trains of thought. RR, compared to everyone else here, how do you rate yourself in terms of skill? Would you consider yourself a big threat to mafia if as a townie?

Pretty much, I came in breaking the ice asking Rockin for a cup of sugar (lol), he broke the ice back saying ok but only if I let him have kool-aid in return (lol), I said sure thing but you have to dress up in a white jumpsuit and Nikes and drink it with me (double lol), then I rhetorically questioned why Swiss was being so weird and if he was always like that or just doing something weird, He said he was reading up now and saw I was coming off as new and asked me if I was and if I was if I wanted tips and said he didn't think Swiss was that bad "but eh", I confirmed I was indeed new at this game if 2 forum games among noobs and about 5 rounds of late night irl mafia is new, he said try not to act naive in the game because mafia might try to take advantage of that and he didn't want that and asked me what my name and role was, I told him Elric was my name but I wasn't sure if I should tell him the role because it might not be a good idea so I'd ask the rest of the town first, (I came out and asked), I said omg Swiss is claiming to be you wtf why would he ever do that, he said he was kinda dissapointed I outed our neighborship and said he just wanted to get to know me and if I didn't want to say I didn't have to, I said that's what I figured but I wanted to check with the other townies if it was a good idea or not and they took it kind of badly and I could sort of see why they might.

And that's been it so far. Does that help?

Not atm.

I'd like to hear why you haven't said anything at all before now in return though, I don't mind giving this info out to the rest of town but you really haven't done anything yet and it looks kinda bad (or at least not helpful)

Saturday I was in MA for a regional. Sunday I was exhausted/ sick because of MA. Yesterday was just overall laziness. I'll try to be helpful today when I get back from school. inb4lazyme -_-

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Sorry for the longish post to begin with, a few people piqued my interest. ^^"

Kinda difficult for me to give out a proper read atm with everyone posting more consistantly then normal (not to mention today I've gotten late today). LIke I said, I'll give more of an read either tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Thing is though, you haven't been doing anything to help yourself acheive reads even though you said you have started late. I have yet to see scum-hunting from you and just moreso complaining that you can't give out proper reads.

Rockin, pick 3 people you are willing to let go toDay please.

This bothers me more than anything else Swiss has posted thus far.

I don't get how this bothers you the most out of all he has done. Plus that is a pretty null-tell for a player like Swiss to say so I don't get the scum-vibes you must be feeling around it.

Explain it to me please?

Not going to answer it. I gain nothing from substantiating a town read of little consequence.

Why do you keep on just shutting down things Kuzi? You may gain nothing but obviously Zen gained something from asking that question and it is just anti-town. You keep on avoiding him and I don't like it. =/

This game you are keeping your cards close to your chest and I don't like it because I have yet to see you do anything substantial since your Ditzy push early game. You have been very vague thus far with regards to questions/answers and I would really like for you to remedy this.

Kk, had to break this post down a bit lol.

@Bolded: At this point I don't know who I want to lynch for sure, which is why my vote is not on anyone right now. I still think you could be scum, but you've shown a logical thought process and you've explained your reads significantly well so I don't have issues with you not taking stances or being too vague or casual about your vote anymore. However, there are still a lot of posts that I don't see town intent behind, and I didn't see town intent behind Gord's suspicions of JDeitz, and that's what keeps me cautious about you.

Can you show the bolded Pink because this is a first can recall you saying that you didn't see the town intent behind some posts. Most of your responses about disliking our slot were based around the attitude of our posts and Gorf's suspicions. It seems from the tone of this post, most of your qualms have been terminated by what I have said. =3

As much as I love that, I still am trying to figure you out as to why you have this super-scum read on me dear because I am still not getting the bottom line as to why we are scum?

|--Orbo/Dabuz------------DH---------RR---Bleck Mang---|

null-------------------Leaning Scum-------------------Scum


|--Orbo/Dabuz----------DH--RR--Bleck Mang-------------|

null----------------- Leaning Scum---------------------Scum


Possibly Swiss?

Why is Felipe not on this list w.r.t. Orbo/Dabuz?

I also would like for you to explain your Kuzi-townish read because you are the first person to voice such an opinion so far this game. (I thiiiiiiink NL said something about liking Kuzi but I got confused since it was so whiplashish ^^")

Swiss is difficult, and I want to see why people are suspicious enough and confident in their reads enough want to lynch him toDay. For me, I have weak suspicions of him; I'm not confident he would flip scum and I'm definitely not sure that lynching him toDay is the best plan of action. And like I said, I'm not ready to throw Swiss into the lynch pit yet; I want to see more of the case on him before deciding if the suspicions against him or sufficient for a lynch or not.

What are your "weak suspcions" of Swiss, dear? You say you don't wanna lynch him but if a good case comes along, you may go along with it? Let me try and clarify something w.r.t. your Swiss read:

Swiss is null right now where you don't see scum but you don't really see scum but if someone were to persuade you well enough with a decent case as to why he is scum, you may be swayed to go along with a lynch even though you aren't confident that he would flip scum and you feel there are better choices for toDay's lynch?

*phew* That was a lot but I think I got it. xD

NL, what exactly is your stance on me? I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from as you have your fingers in so many pies.

Busybusybusyhydra.

As much as I like NL, I have to agree with this statement with them seeming to have a lot of options open for lynch-pool and it's making me wary. Especially with this bizzaro push on Felipe that I have no clue why he is doing it even after reading his explanation post. =X

Zen, why Felipe especially over someone like one of your scum-reads? Why aren't you voting RR by the by?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Oh another random blurb:

Dabuz' reads feel extremely safe to me, personally.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I don't get how this bothers you the most out of all he has done. Plus that is a pretty null-tell for a player like Swiss to say so I don't get the scum-vibes you must be feeling around it.

Explain it to me please?

Swiss would usually have said something along the lines of "If you think I'm town, follow me. If you don't, follow me anyway."

Why do you keep on just shutting down things Kuzi? You may gain nothing but obviously Zen gained something from asking that question and it is just anti-town. You keep on avoiding him and I don't like it. =/

This game you are keeping your cards close to your chest and I don't like it because I have yet to see you do anything substantial since your Ditzy push early game. You have been very vague thus far with regards to questions/answers and I would really like for you to remedy this.

I'm not avoiding him. I'm telling him to his face I won't answer it. Stop nitpicking, it's very unbecoming.

I have no vague one bit, I don't know what game you're reading.