Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (8):
Jdietz43 (2): Swiss, Ryker
Swiss (2): Jdietz43, Dark Horse,
felipe_9595 (2): Rockin, No Lynch
Red Ryu (1): Bleck Mang

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (5):
dabuz
July
Red Ryu
th3kuzinator
Orboknown,

 

[Dabuz]

Debuz. I'll ask you again. Are you fully caught up?

Yes~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Are you gonna... do more than answer obligatory questions?

 

[Dabuz]

Are you gonna... do more than answer obligatory questions?

Yes. 10characters

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Umm... When?

 

[Swiss]

What is a mannN!? Nothing but a miserable pile of secrets!

(nah I'm just the new guy)

OK, you're new. That's cool.

I think Dark Horse is kind of looking bad right now. He seemed too happy to have an excuse to go on the offensive, and then got super defensive as soon as people started talking to him. It just doesn't seem right

I can also see where people are coming from about Swiss. His weird battery of questions seemed kinda irritating, but I dunno if that's enough to vote on him about

You think DH is looking kind of bad.

No vote, no questions for DH (his very first opinion). Commentary. Safe. For a guy that was so talkative in RVS, Dietz says surprisingly little.

Of course it's not enough to vote me. Yet, why even mention this - almost as if you want a get out clause for not having to vote me. I know I wouldn't want to get Swiss on my case as noobcum so very early.

Well I'm also kinda iffy on you right now, mostly just on how much your posting. It could be fine but if you're mafia then idk how I feel about that much sway being had so fast.

Iffy on NL based on "how he's posting". Doesn't specify what's wrong with how NL's posting. Disappointed in NL for not asking this. Kinda iffy. Not, dislike, kinda iffy. Safe. No vehemence. He's not trying to find scum, just wants to throw out some words that stop people potentially pushing him, that make him look 'OK'. Wants to slide by.

Uhhh, do you mind explaining why?

First solid, hard question, and it's about a Felipe joke.

At first posts, then votes. After all the votes are what actually make it happen

He came off strong digging himself a big hole, then recently has done an ok job of coming back out of it a tad. I'm inclined to side with the people who actually know him to a certain extent though

See bolded. It's impossible to insert more get out clauses than this. Classic, classic, CLASSIC newbscum moves.

Then a blame shift if he's wrong - as he barely knows DH.

Well you're the one asking me safe questions. All I'm doing is giving you my actual feelings

Honestly you're just racking up doubt from me at this point

When I say his posts are safe (GG Swiss on the ball) he blames my questions, as opposed to his answers. Even though almost none of his previous posts had been in regards to my questions. Shifting the blame.

See bolded; a veiled threat...weak OMGUS after I question him. Only after U question him. Never stepped in to save DH.

While you're here, I'm still hoping for an answer on this one:

SECOND ACTUAL HARD, SOLID QUESTION. His second all game. And it's back to asking what the Felipe joke was.

Useful stuff. Hope you don't attract too much attention with these tough lines of questioning.

Looks like people have a lot to say about me lol

Text wall incoming once I read, but I can answer that NL question real easy: I was backing off from the convo there because you were making me nervous talking to me so much so soon. I wasn't sure how much info I was safe giving out if you turned out to be mafia (or anyone reading for that matter), but after I gave it a moment, I realized it was harmless to tell you how many games I played etc. and just kept going. Willy wonka picture scared me p. hard though, I had no idea if that meant I had already given away valuable info just by talking about Ryu or if you were just being a funny guy

Fake. This cannot be true. He knows some people have to be scum. Info given in thread is public knowledge, why would he only be afraid on NL knowing this - and not other players? Thought process is fake and thus not townie.

@Kuz: Your thoughts on my posts are totally valid. I was in fact actually trying to leave myself options after people asked me questions, I tried pretty hard to lay low and be ambiguous after NL got done talking to me actually. (you could say he put the fear of god in me lol, but that's totes not true anymore since by now I see him as completely townie)

I got given a non-vanilla role that I have NO idea what to do as, straight up. And I didn't want to screw over the entire town just because I didn't really know what I myself was supposed to be doing yet so I just shot for the low bar and tried to be constructive where I knew I def. could and just passive when I didn't know. I'm not a role that we directly need thank goodness, but I do know I've got the capability to mess us up hard if I'm not thinking about stuff.

I figured the best way for me to help was just give my honest opinions and waffle them some so no one took them too serious. That way mafia doesn't care about me, and the people who actually know what they're doing right now don't get pulled off track. But I guess that backfired some because now people are paying attention to the fact I was doing that. I've been looking at wikis a lot to try and figure out what I should be doing, but the hard and fast rules I could figure out were just not to say absolutely nothing and don't warpath everyone in sight for no reason either.

I've got a neighbor, but I've been hesitant to tell or ask him all that much, though I'm starting to think it might just be a good idea to just stop being cautious and start straight up asking for advice. They want to know my role to help me but idk if just spilling the beans up front is a good idea. I think I'm gonna go for it if no one else screams to me it'd be a terrible choice for us. Chances are he's townie based on both my own views of his posts and just straight statistics

Good idea? Bad idea?

This is the post that made some people swap their stances.

I get why. It's honesty. One truth does not a Saint make.

But let's look at this from a neutral perspective. He's coming across as scum. Scummy as **** - Kuz, myself, Ryker and others are on his ***. Scum need him to get townie, and fast. This is the perfect noobcard to play and is combined with legit honesty. He is a neighbour - unless Rockin is super mfw bad. All it takes is a scumbuddy with half a brain to tell him to claim that. It's classic "omg no scum would ever give that away...auto town go to LyLo" that we see often here. Especially from players like myself that make very hard reads very fast on very little content.

Question this; What would scum have to gain from telling Dietz not to claim? You think being a neighbour with Rockin is going to win endgame? You think claiming neighbour with an inactive is going to save your lynch when you're L-1?

Dietz had very little to lose, and everything to gain by claiming.. This CANNOT be treated as a town tell, as scum would ALSO gain from it.

See the first bolded in the above quote, the more I look at this, the more I think. Why would someone claiming Vanilla Neighbour, be so concerned about revealing this to a potential scum? I get it's info you don't want to give away - but he cites this as his main reason.

See second bolded. What posts? Because you said you were wary of him asking you your role in the QT.

Also - Dietz - how exactly could you mess everything up for us as VT Neighbour? You said you "know you could". How?

I figured the best way for me to help was just give my honest opinions and waffle them some so no one took them too serious. That way mafia doesn't care about me, and the people who actually know what they're doing right now don't get pulled off track. But I guess that backfired some because now people are paying attention to the fact I was doing that. I've been looking at wikis a lot to try and figure out what I should be doing, but the hard and fast rules I could figure out were just not to say absolutely nothing and don't warpath everyone in sight for no reason either.

I think this requires it's own re-quote.

You didn't want people to take you too seriously as you didn't want scum to focus you. Assumedly because you didn't want to die. Thus you have a PR you believe is incredibly powerful. Yet you, in the same post, out this PR negating almost all of its benefit. Odd.

Post-claim.

Back.

So now I can spill my guts on how I feel about people: and since this is a hot topic we're going to start with Swiss

He's not my neighbor: and the more he talks the more I think he's scum

I'll scoot that out the door right now since I have no idea why he's lying about this

This gets me. This still gets me. Self confessed he had no idea what I was trying to do. So attacks me.

He attacks me for a claim that could not possibly be in scum's favour. I did not expect him to agree with my claim and play along - after all he's a scrub - but what gain did town get from this? Nothing. What gain did Dietz get from this? Honesty points.

it seems really presumptuousness on Day 1, and the way he's been doing most of his posts makes me feel like he's mostly just stirring stuff

Get out clauses - half measures. Back to wishy washy.

Is now a good time to sum my feelings on everybody else playing, or would it just get in the way?

No-one, no-one can be that eager to bow to the will of town. Bolded is yet another indirect implication of newbiness and submission.

K so I already talked about Swiss since it seemed important after he claimed to be my neighbor, but here's my quick 2 cents on everyone else now that I actually have enough to have something to say about most of them:

1. ~Bleck Mang~ (J/Gord Hydra): He's kind of everywhere at once, he's doing a good job asking questions but also has some foibles. If he's town he's just doing ok, but if he's scum he's probably going to be an issue. Needs more investigation, or even better tracker role taking a peek at him so we know if he's helpful or destructive. (scum unless proven innocent)
2. dabuz: posted literally twice with no info, I'm highly leary until he gets active
3. July: Only posted once but that post seemed legit. I feel town unless otherwise changed by some action down the road
4. Rockin: my cool bro neighbor, honestly he seems like town to me just based on the start of our neighbor convos, but people make a good point that if you look at it the right way asking me my role right after confirming I'm new and saying that he didn't want "mafia to take advantage of me". I can't make heads or tails of the Ryker vs Rockin from his side
5. th3kuzinator Bardull: Bardull gave me p. much zero information since he was just annoyed at being made fun of, but once Kuz came in I'm reading him solid town. He's asking good questions in the right way, and even pulled me back out of uncertainty (for better or worse)
6. Dark Horse: I'm weirded out by just how fast he jumped at NL after like the first actual conversation of the game and he was jumpy ever since. Recently been doing good 'town' work, but I still feel residual scum from him here and there
7. Swiss: Already discussed: totally weirded out by. I'm not sure what he's angling for but lying def. didn't help me think he's town
8. Orboknown: Posted like once, same as dabuz, need more input
9. Jdietz43: yay that's me :3
10. felipe_9595: he makes my brain turn to mush. I know he's foreign for the most part but I can't figure out what he's saying at all. I'm not sure he's scum but he's certainly a very unhelpful town if not. I wouldn't mind losing him simply because he's making things really hard to figure out for the rest of us
11. Red Ryu: Mixed feelings. On one hand he's my bro, but on the other I didn't really feel like he was acting like himself for most of the game so far. I'm used to him being super analytical and just a little outspoken when it matters but instead he was mispelling words and not saying much. I know we live in Miller-town but you don't have to hit the sauce every day bro (drunk or scum, it's a thing lol)
12. No Lynch (Zen/Soup Hydra): Gave me a brief uncertainty real early into the game just because he was way active and I didn't know what he was doing. Came though in flying colors recently though, and has been making great posts and stimulating things for town to read from. Solid townie, hopefully a power role
13. Ryker: Unsure, sort of like the Bleck Mang hydra. His arguments with Rockin have left him coming off bad in my eyes though. Light scum read, but nothing condemning


I feel like it's also way past the time in which I have enough opinions to put my vote on the table as well.

I know this is going to be super controversial... like, yeah... but I HAVE to throw mine down on Swiss

Vote: Swiss


I could have bought he was just arrogant and really aggressive at prodding, but after he lied and claimed to be my neighbor I have zero trust left for him and it's clear he's fogging the water. He's falling apart and raging at the same time. Even if he was town, it's not a town I trust to actually help us

Next on the "lolwut scum/useless?" list would be RR, DH, Felipe, and maybe Ryker but that's mostly because I just don't understand his argument with Rockin

This is the first post, all game, where he has done anything. EVERY OTHER POST HAS BEEN COMMENTARY AND NEWB CARD.

NO QUESTIONS, NO NEW POINTS, NO PRESSURE, NO VOTES.

We are not letting a newbscum slip by for the merit of one post which scum had no reason not to post.

This is final.

Mfw I have to explain this **** to you guys.

Orbo vote Dietz.
July will after this post since the reasoning is sound and she can understand this.
Ryker already has him pinned.
Kuz, NL unlikely to swap.
Bleck will follow - Gord looking at you to carry here.
Felipe will definitely help us out.
I'm voting him.
Dabuz/Rockim too AFK to predict.
DH will as the lynch will fall between the two of them

 

[Swiss]

Mfw he flips town.

 

[No Lynch]

Sup.

I've noticed that the last pages have been useless and there are a lot of stand-still arguments, and i'm noticing that nothing really productive is going on. First, I want to hit Orbo across the head a couple of times for one, sheeping Swiss with bad explanation, and two, instantly assuming this setup could have a cop or doctor. Now that i've gotten that out of the way, I've begun to think to myself about a compromise we can all make. That compromise lies with a player called JDietz43.

He's a very touchy subject and a very touchy player, there are skewed ideas about him and basically 1/4 of this game revolves around him. Swiss still believes that JDietz is scum, and even through meritable logic, he continues to push JDietz. He is not alone in this regard, I've heard the Gorf side talk about JDietz being scum, I see Ryker's vote placed on JDietz, and I see basically just back and forth about it. This is not always a bad thing, and I'm about to swallow my pride and say that we should head in this direction, because really thinking about everything has gotten me to believe that there is more positive outcome going this route, simply because he is such a touchy subject and he is a touchy player. He's done a lot of things that are really easy to call townie, like being brutally honest with everything, yet there are some sides of scum. I really can't emphasize how touchy it is, and how it's going to haunt me and everyone else the rest of the game.The only good that has come out of this is that there is literally nobody without a stance regarding Dietz, and that leads to a HEAVY load of information regarding flip or push.

He's just a problem in his own, he's already role-claimed and if he is town, he is just setting himself up for a NK, I don't want to hear about a Doc being in play because it's pure speculation and it's not flying with me.

That being said, Discuss.

 

[No Lynch]

If you wanted to argue a couple of other things, it gives us a read on Swiss, but really anyone who has interacted with JDietz is sure to have some sort of read, whether flipping town or not.

 

[No Lynch]

Loving the ninja Swiss, stay classy.

 

[Swiss]

How do you get ninja'd 15 minutes later. Mfw.

Why the sudden change? You are willing to lynch him, though you believe him town, to help town progress?

 

[Swiss]

And if you're suggesting we should lynch him - you should probably vote him.

 

[No Lynch]

That's basically the bulk of it Swiss, you're not letting up and he's a huge issue that can't be swept under the rug.

Unvote

I'm not voting yet, simply because I want to see peoples thoughts about this, and I almost want to see you cringe when he flips town, and if he doesn't, bask in your own ego for a day.

 

[Jdietz43]

Wow Swiss is like a flowchart...

High priority player takes suspicion off him > go after me hard again

This goes exactly with my feelings that I said a few pages back: "After that it seems like he just became infuriated that he screwed up so badly that even the newest player in the game figured out he was scummy and not making logical choices and ended up pinning him for it that he just bit in and kept trying. That's the only explanation I can think of for how bad this Swiss vs. me train of thought is going... and honestly that makes me lol"

I'm dead serious when I ask if there's a reason I'm missing that I'm supposed to view him as town




I'll nitpick about what you retardedly think my posts mean in a minute, but I'm sure p. much everyone else can read them at a glance and tell what I'm going at just fine. (if anyone else has questions about what I'm ever talking about just ask).

That said I'm obviously against my own lynch lol, it's a big waste of a day. Seeing Swiss cringe is not a good (but funny) reason to throw me away (sadface at NL... you were the one I trusted the most in town)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wait NL, so why are we switching from Swiss now?

I can see the justification for Felipe, but he seems like he's just totally out there threat-wise. I'm entirely willing to lynch him but I don't see how he comes before someone who tripped up so royal like Swiss or even someone just blatantly not paying attention like Orbo... Shouldn't we be trying to remove the biggest threats to town first? (He's supposed to be normally really good right, so...) Or did Swiss actually do something awesome to redeem himself somehow and I'm too new to realize what it was. (he's still like: will never be clean in my eyes lol)

It's starting to get the same with Ryker too... can someone else tell me why I'm supposed to think he's town? Because right now all I see is hateful posts, loving Swiss, and being gone from the thread.


(also what does bussing mean? Should I be concerned?)

Man, suddenly a lot more comfortable with you taking a bullet.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker meant that he wants the doc on me or him - and the cop on Kuz. This means the doc flips a coin and protects one of us randomly - so that scum can't risk killing us.

Both of us would welcome the cop on us - on the provision the cop then follows out lynch choices toMorrow if we appear innocent. Be subtle, of course.

Works for me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I've noticed that the last pages have been useless and there are a lot of stand-still arguments, and i'm noticing that nothing really productive is going on. First, I want to hit Orbo across the head a couple of times for one, sheeping Swiss with bad explanation, and two, instantly assuming this setup could have a cop or doctor. Now that i've gotten that out of the way, I've begun to think to myself about a compromise we can all make. That compromise lies with a player called JDietz43.

I actually strive to say investigative over cop, but whatever. I also don't mind chilling with a jailer tonight, but I haven't made it a habit of saying protective instead of doc. Hell, sometimes I do only want a doc, so I guess I should do that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's a very touchy subject and a very touchy player, there are skewed ideas about him and basically 1/4 of this game revolves around him. Swiss still believes that JDietz is scum, and even through meritable logic, he continues to push JDietz. He is not alone in this regard, I've heard the Gorf side talk about JDietz being scum, I see Ryker's vote placed on JDietz, and I see basically just back and forth about it. This is not always a bad thing, and I'm about to swallow my pride and say that we should head in this direction, because really thinking about everything has gotten me to believe that there is more positive outcome going this route, simply because he is such a touchy subject and he is a touchy player. He's done a lot of things that are really easy to call townie, like being brutally honest with everything, yet there are some sides of scum. I really can't emphasize how touchy it is, and how it's going to haunt me and everyone else the rest of the game.The only good that has come out of this is that there is literally nobody without a stance regarding Dietz, and that leads to a HEAVY load of information regarding flip or push.

He's just a problem in his own, he's already role-claimed and if he is town, he is just setting himself up for a NK, I don't want to hear about a Doc being in play because it's pure speculation and it's not flying with me.

That being said, Discuss.

Underlined is the bingo. There is a more than solid chance of him being scum although I'd actually rather have DH right now, but the fact that they're close and Ditz gives me a much better Day 2 to look at is the reason I'm voting.

As for the next paragraph, you don't even need to imply that a doc should be on him, especially seeing as your conclusion that he'd be night killed makes me cringe.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wow Swiss is like a flowchart...

High priority player takes suspicion off him > go after me hard again

This goes exactly with my feelings that I said a few pages back: "After that it seems like he just became infuriated that he screwed up so badly that even the newest player in the game figured out he was scummy and not making logical choices and ended up pinning him for it that he just bit in and kept trying. That's the only explanation I can think of for how bad this Swiss vs. me train of thought is going... and honestly that makes me lol"

I'm dead serious when I ask if there's a reason I'm missing that I'm supposed to view him as town




I'll nitpick about what you retardedly think my posts mean in a minute, but I'm sure p. much everyone else can read them at a glance and tell what I'm going at just fine. (if anyone else has questions about what I'm ever talking about just ask).

That said I'm obviously against my own lynch lol, it's a big waste of a day. Seeing Swiss cringe is not a good (but funny) reason to throw me away (sadface at NL... you were the one I trusted the most in town)

Please die. Thanks.

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright: I already explained why I was hesitant and cautious to answer at the beginning of the game

Was iffy on NL because he was posting way too much too fast, even he figured that out and responded the very next post

Felipe claimed Bardull was "Special" like he was treating him differently, I def. wanted to know what and why that is. You may have gotten that it was a half joke, I thought it was important to the game

Your particular question WAS safe. You asked me who people were lynching, and at that time everyone was voting for DH. I don't see how I could possibly answer that another way beyond being a fortune teller.

I was well aware that some people in the game are scum, but it's not like I was going to be able to hide the fact I was new for very long. I 100% saw no reason not to reply to him after some thought

Posts in that context refer to the thread me and Rockin shared, in which he was actually speaking to me. And I refuse to believe that someone who thinks so highly of his own read skills can be this dense when you're trying to figure out what my role might be... I'll give you a hint: It's not Neighbor, that's just a tacked on piece that I also received in role pm. I'll bet you I could ask RR at this very moment and he could get it in a single guess...

(lol I'mma say this like Swiss would cuz I know it will grind his gears a little )

Think Swiss. You already figured out that I was worried people would pay too much attention to me... You have all the dots.
Connect them.

(lololol, lets keep going it's kind of fun)

Your neighbor claim is quite literally the stupidest thing I've seen in my short time playing mafia. Of course I'm going to call you on it: I already think you're scum and I have no idea what you're doing. Think Swiss. Don't just do.

Mostly in this context is quite appropriate. I'm referring to the overall total amount of posts.

I'm more than willing to ask people questions about what I should do at this point, I can be selective and standoffish when I actually know what's a good idea for myself

No votes in that line makes me lol, I voted you in that very post.

 

[Jdietz43]

(also is this what bussing is? Just targeting me because I'm newer?)

Ryker, you win no points. I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why posting mean pictures and telling everyone to die is supposed to make me think you're town.

 

[No Lynch]

Sup.

I've noticed that the last pages have been useless and there are a lot of stand-still arguments, and i'm noticing that nothing really productive is going on. First, I want to hit Orbo across the head a couple of times for one, sheeping Swiss with bad explanation, and two, instantly assuming this setup could have a cop or doctor. Now that i've gotten that out of the way, I've begun to think to myself about a compromise we can all make. That compromise lies with a player called JDietz43.

He's a very touchy subject and a very touchy player, there are skewed ideas about him and basically 1/4 of this game revolves around him. Swiss still believes that JDietz is scum, and even through meritable logic, he continues to push JDietz. He is not alone in this regard, I've heard the Gorf side talk about JDietz being scum, I see Ryker's vote placed on JDietz, and I see basically just back and forth about it. This is not always a bad thing, and I'm about to swallow my pride and say that we should head in this direction, because really thinking about everything has gotten me to believe that there is more positive outcome going this route, simply because he is such a touchy subject and he is a touchy player. He's done a lot of things that are really easy to call townie, like being brutally honest with everything, yet there are some sides of scum. I really can't emphasize how touchy it is, and how it's going to haunt me and everyone else the rest of the game.The only good that has come out of this is that there is literally nobody without a stance regarding Dietz, and that leads to a HEAVY load of information regarding flip or push.

He's just a problem in his own, he's already role-claimed and if he is town, he is just setting himself up for a NK, I don't want to hear about a Doc being in play because it's pure speculation and it's not flying with me.

That being said, Discuss.

Not good.

You never lynch someone you have a strong town read on unless absolutely necessary. The connections we gain from a town flip are little. You gain connections from scum flips, hardly any from town flips. It doesn't matter if he has claimed. I think he still says he has a PR? Him having claimed should have nothing to do with lynching him. If he is a NK target, which he wont be, that would be just the same as lynching him so I don't really get that point here...

I was going to respond in the QT, but saw that you already posted this. Just respond to me there.

 

[Jdietz43]

Well... at least this gives me more reads on who is and isn't actually paying attention to what's being said

 

[No Lynch]

Why is it not good?You realize that Swiss isn't backing down from this, and that me and Kuzi's word is only that, comparitive to the other people oh-so-willing to lynch him already?

Talk to me in the QT about this.

 

[No Lynch]

JDietz, I saw your defense, i'm busy here.

 

[Jdietz43]

Swiss Ryker scumteam feels so obvious is hurts my brain...

 

[Rockin]

Whew, finally given myself a good re-read and now I feel I could answer everyone's questions better. I stopped on Page 52, so if there's information behond that point that needs to be addressed, I'll post asap

There's also some stuff I like to address as well.

Orobro/Dabuz - GUYS. GUYS. Are ya lost or something? Ya havn't spoke of anything involving the events of what's been going on. It would be really cool if you guys start posting a bit more. You guys are looking just as bad as Felipe here...

I believe someone wanted me to list 3 of my scum picks (probably was Bleck Mage).So here's the list

1) Felipe - Felipe has been completely unhelpful thus far. He hasn't been contributing to the game, very weak reads (if anything at all). He admitting to hopping on a wagon, while not voicing much of his view on said person.

Why in gods name should we keep him around behond D2? What benefit in town would there be if he was alive to see D2? I don't see it. I don't see any town points in him at all.

2) Kuz

He seems to like bull horning anyone that could be a possible lynch canidate. At one point, he would seem pretty damn confident that this person is scum. Then next minute, he moves to a different target after hearing their story. He seems...too easy to please.

Swiss, if I told you I was 100% sure Ditz was scum would you switch to his wagon on the assumption that I shot DH toNight?

I would be in support of you telling me who your partner is. I would also be in support of lynching that person.

All of this deflates as soon as something is mentioned to him, and instead of being stubborn about it, he goes off to get someone else. He sounds like some sort of opportunist.

3)Dabuz/Orobro

The reasoning is the same as Felipe, though not as much (still bad in anycase). I'm giving them a slight break cause it SEEMS like they're trying to catch up with the game (which I can't blame them much. I tend to struggle with catching up each irl day in this game lol). Still does not excuse them.

I do like July, as well as how she's playing thus far. I believe I understand her reason why she's cautious of Bleck Mage. It sounds like they're in the sidelines: They're there, but not 'there'

While I have been content with them thus far (and don't find them scummy), I do have some concerns...

As far as Swiss, Rockin, and Ryker go, they all seem fine for me as far as living through toDay. All of them have been open with what they've been feeling and doing their part to scumhunt (haven't really read Rockin v Ryker, gonna do that after I'm done with this), so ultimately no qualms in this here area. And now that I think about it I'm fine with putting No Lynch in this category too.

The more I think about Rockin this game, the more I'm okay with him just being gone because his slot is like giving me nothing and his posts just lack substance. He is just here whenever he posts and I don't like that about him.

What happen that made me drop out of the town aspect all of a sudden? You seemed keen to give me that title before (mind you, I don't think I said anything important or worthwhile before), but now you have this 'null' aspect from me. Can ya explain?

Rockin I think you are town and I don't think Felipe will likely be the play at the moment. What do you think about what I'm saying about Ryu? Will you join my hand and lynch him????

I had to re-read everything Red Ryu said from beginning to the current page I'm at.

Like before, I don't really feel like Red Ryu is the lynch. Yes, while I do agree that the gameplan he had is silly (KevinM had that mindset too most of the time in Mafia games. The only difference was that he selectively paired himself with people he really knew/could read and then teamed up with them throughout the Mafia game). Nothing at all what he said seemed scummy to me. I do agree he needs to cool off a bit. Getting angry would not do anyone good

I pushed DH when his posts were auto scum. Now I'm pushing the best lynch for town - Dietz. DH is lynch fodder and if any town leaves someone like that in LyLo they deserve everything they get.

And Felipe, Dabuz, Orobro is alright in your eyes to be in lylo why....?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

@Rockin: Hydra derp of difference of opinions. You quoted Gorf then you quoted myself. xD

I like the opinion you have given on Kuzi as being scum, but I dno't really feel that's why I have Kuzi as scum. What you are saying is more of an exaggeration of what he has actually done TBH. Plus your other three scum-picks are just the inactives/no-shows sans Kuzi.

Can you give me your opinions on Swiss/Ryker/NL?

 

[Jdietz43]

(misspelled Bleck Mang's name... must mean something )

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

As much as I dislike Kuzi this game, the more I read this line the more I dislike it because it just isn't true at all.

2) Kuz

He seems to like bull horning anyone that could be a possible lynch canidate. At one point, he would seem pretty damn confident that this person is scum. Then next minute, he moves to a different target after hearing their story. He seems...too easy to please.

It's just....wrong. Like wrong wrong wrong. X_x

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What happen that made me drop out of the town aspect all of a sudden? You seemed keen to give me that title before (mind you, I don't think I said anything important or worthwhile before), but now you have this 'null' aspect from me. Can ya explain?

First quote was me, second quote was J. Last time I spoke with J he said he had the feeling that you were possibly lurking or something like that, and that you weren't being really on top of the game. But, J's ********, and I feel you've been really fine this game. Considering this is your regular activity level (mind you I have no qualms with it, and you actually seem to be more active than normal), and the fact that your play isn't scummy (including this post too), I like your slot, and J's probz gonna like your slot more after he reads this post.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Triple ninja + not on hydra derp >_<

 

[No Lynch]

Wait; you made a case on me when you thought I was town, or you thought I was scum, made a case and changed your mind?

Uhh neither. The first is more accurate though. Up until we and Kuz joined in on pressuring you, you weren't taking anything seriously. Now you're actually starting to play the game. Why did you ask this? Do you not think I should be looking at you objectively?

As much as I like NL, I have to agree with this statement with them seeming to have a lot of options open for lynch-pool and it's making me wary. Especially with this bizzaro push on Felipe that I have no clue why he is doing it even after reading his explanation post. =X

Zen, why Felipe especially over someone like one of your scum-reads? Why aren't you voting RR by the by?

Just getting things together.

And besides, the only scummates I could see being crafy enough to tell him to do this is Me, you, and possibly Ryker. Since you're both pushing him and I obviously didn't tell him everything just seems to line up as it appears: dumbtown.

Ryker and Swiss are smart, but in an impulsive, instinctive type of manner. They don't have the focus/precision to do such a thing. If dietz flipped scum, I'd have no doubt you are his partner.

God, but I hate RR. He needs to find a noose.

What made you say this all the sudden? You also never came through with your promise. You stated that you disagreed with almost all of our pushes, but again the only "push" you should have disagreed with was Swiss. Explain.

btw can you stop spaaming the thread with stuff like "die" and useless one liners like that? We get that you don't like dietz, even if you don't have any reason behind it.

Wait NL, so why are we switching from Swiss now?

I can see the justification for Felipe, but he seems like he's just totally out there threat-wise. I'm entirely willing to lynch him but I don't see how he comes before someone who tripped up so royal like Swiss or even someone just blatantly not paying attention like Orbo... Shouldn't we be trying to remove the biggest threats to town first? (He's supposed to be normally really good right, so...) Or did Swiss actually do something awesome to redeem himself somehow and I'm too new to realize what it was. (he's still like: will never be clean in my eyes lol)

It's starting to get the same with Ryker too... can someone else tell me why I'm supposed to think he's town? Because right now all I see is hateful posts, loving Swiss, and being gone from the thread.


(also what does bussing mean? Should I be concerned?)

I never really seen him as scum tbh. I just don't think he should get away with pushing a baseless lynch, and not actually playing the game. Even though I haven't had a scum read on him, that doesn't mean I should leave that avenue closed. As you probably know by now, Swiss isn't the easiest player to read. I've been wrong about him before and thus wanted to get more info and hopefully get him on track with some push.

Your logic (and Ryu's logic) are perfectly reasonable and legitimate reasons to find someone scum for. It's just Swiss is a...unique player. It's not the best to take his posts at face value. I've learned to look at other aspects of his play for reading him. The same is with Ryker. Your logic is sound, but it's simply how they play all the time.

Bussing is when a scum partner pushes for their partners lynch. When their partner flips mafia, people see them as town for pushing the scum lynch. When people suggest Swiss bussing you, they are saying that you two are scum partners.

Based on Xonar's thread I am worse than anyone else on this site.

If you play the way you're playing this game, but when you're town, this would definitely change.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'd be fine with lynching Felipe, then if not Orbo/Dabuz. I still like Kuz just fine, you've given some good reasons to re-evaluate him but I still feel like he's just doing his best to figure out who is and isn't scum.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

First quote was me, second quote was J. Last time I spoke with J he said he had the feeling that you were possibly lurking or something like that, and that you weren't being really on top of the game. But, J's ********, and I feel you've been really fine this game. Considering this is your regular activity level (mind you I have no qualms with it, and you actually seem to be more active than normal), and the fact that your play isn't scummy (including this post too), I like your slot, and J's probz gonna like your slot more after he reads this post.

I don't think we could disagree more. Get on aim like soon, how is Rockin "really fine this game"? I also don't like that post either. =/

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

First quote was me, second quote was J. Last time I spoke with J he said he had the feeling that you were possibly lurking or something like that, and that you weren't being really on top of the game. But, J's ********, and I feel you've been really fine this game. Considering this is your regular activity level (mind you I have no qualms with it, and you actually seem to be more active than normal), and the fact that your play isn't scummy (including this post too), I like your slot, and J's probz gonna like your slot more after he reads this post.

Yo J get on AIM.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

(also is this what bussing is? Just targeting me because I'm newer?)

Ryker, you win no points. I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why posting mean pictures and telling everyone to die is supposed to make me think you're town.

Bussing is lynching your scummate for the town points.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

OH MY GOD STOP DOING THAT J YoURE FREAKING ME OUT.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

As much as I dislike Kuzi this game, the more I read this line the more I dislike it because it just isn't true at all.



It's just....wrong. Like wrong wrong wrong. X_x

I support this post.

 

[Jdietz43]

I never really seen him as scum tbh. I just don't think he should get away with pushing a baseless lynch, and not actually playing the game. Even though I haven't had a scum read on him, that doesn't mean I should leave that avenue closed. As you probably know by now, Swiss isn't the easiest player to read. I've been wrong about him before and thus wanted to get more info and hopefully get him on track with some push.

Your logic (and Ryu's logic) are perfectly reasonable and legitimate reasons to find someone scum for. It's just Swiss is a...unique player. It's not the best to take his posts at face value. I've learned to look at other aspects of his play for reading him. The same is with Ryker. Your logic is sound, but it's simply how they play all the time.

... alright well someone is going to have to talk me down from the ledge then, or at least not hold it against me for seeing them as scummy for it

Bussing is when a scum partner pushes for their partners lynch. When their partner flips mafia, people see them as town for pushing the scum lynch. When people suggest Swiss bussing you, they are saying that you two are scum partners.

Bussing is lynching your scummate for the town points.

Alright, thanks for explaining.