Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[Swiss]

And all this can simply be analyzed through perspectives. Why would scum Dietz bother revealing his neighborhood when there was no reason too. If he was on a scumteam, his mates would have told him to pump info out of Rockin or at least play along until they could get a handle on him. The fact that he gave it up for no reason just means he doesn't have anything to gain from keeping the masonry hidden, something scum would definitely have.

Also, everyone feel free to ignore Swiss. He's not reading mafia atm. Probably indy. Will be dealt with later.

So you told Diez to claim then.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh man this game is going to be a blast I can tell.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lynch Kuz on a scum flip. That typo way too out of place. Distancing. Done the exact same thing before myself.

Dietz, RR and Kuz scum.

DH indie.

That's messy but makes sense, ish. Just lynch these people.

That's a real reach, especially considering.

mfw mfw mfw

Ryker, Kuz GET IN THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW. And please be town. I don't know how longer I can hold their idiocy at bay.

How dumb can you guys be. This is all right infront of you.

LYNCH DIETZ WTF

This implies you had trust.

 

[Swiss]

Yes, had trust.

I fail to recognise your point.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I don't understand how JDietz is even close to noobscum, considering he outed his own role for no reason and had completely honest thoughts about everything.

How the hell would his scum-buds let him do this?

"Hey JDietz claim ur neighborhood and make up a bunch of excuses why you should claim because people will think it's townie when it's clearly noobtown not knowing what the **** to do"

Am I in backwards land all of the sudden? Where the hell are people thinking this is scum?

Just look at what happened. He essentially came out of NOWHERE saying that he was flustered or whatever talking about how he doesn't have a vanilla role and that he's neighbors with somebody. EVERYTHING from that point on looked like he could have posted it with the question "What would town do in this situation?" in the back of his head. Oh, except for those spouts of being ********... It'd be a reach saying it was methodical sillyness but... it's the feel... Anyway, look at it from scumDietz POV, ALL he's trying to do is what he can to look townie. That, and the fact that it very well MAY HAVE been fed to him by his scum team to highlight his noobiness by outing his neighboring, not his role, which all in all isn't such a huge deal since neighbors aint worth shiz as far as alignment goes. I'm going with Swiss on this one.

 

[No Lynch]

#465 ew

Soupa don't leave me hanging in the QT. Not our hydra one, but the scum one.

 

[th3kuzinator]

So you told Diez to claim then.

I told him to claim his partner. What of it?

 

[Swiss]

I told him to claim his partner. What of it?

It was an implication you told him to claim neighbour in thread.

GG on keeping up.

 

[No Lynch]

That or you're looking way too far into it and thinking Dietz is the ****ing joker of mafia with his diabolical plans to look townie by being COMPLETELY olibvious about his actions

 

[th3kuzinator]

I know your games, Swiss. Don't bother trying to instigate me, it won't work.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes, had trust.

I fail to recognise your point.

You removed it because another player typo'd an abbreviation of his name...

 

[Swiss]

I know your games, Swiss. Don't bother trying to instigate me, it won't work.

Doesn't make it any less fun.

 

[felipe_9595]

Da fuq just happened with dietz.

Also, swiss, why do you think RR is scum?

 

[Swiss]

RR is scum because I say so.

No, good point. I have no idea.

His tone.

Oh god this is why I don't post when tired.

 

[No Lynch]

i'm raging so hard right now i just popped a boner

lets ****ing lynch red ryu or i'm gonna put this thing to use

 

[Swiss]

That or you're looking way too far into it and thinking Dietz is the ****ing joker of mafia with his diabolical plans to look townie by being COMPLETELY olibvious about his actions

That or he's another Dastrn.

 

[felipe_9595]

Wat he is Voteblocked. Coudl be Scum blocked by indy but i dont think he is scummy at all.

 

[Jdietz43]

K so I already talked about Swiss since it seemed important after he claimed to be my neighbor, but here's my quick 2 cents on everyone else now that I actually have enough to have something to say about most of them:

1. ~Bleck Mang~ (J/Gord Hydra): He's kind of everywhere at once, he's doing a good job asking questions but also has some foibles. If he's town he's just doing ok, but if he's scum he's probably going to be an issue. Needs more investigation, or even better tracker role taking a peek at him so we know if he's helpful or destructive. (scum unless proven innocent)
2. dabuz: posted literally twice with no info, I'm highly leary until he gets active
3. July: Only posted once but that post seemed legit. I feel town unless otherwise changed by some action down the road
4. Rockin: my cool bro neighbor, honestly he seems like town to me just based on the start of our neighbor convos, but people make a good point that if you look at it the right way asking me my role right after confirming I'm new and saying that he didn't want "mafia to take advantage of me". I can't make heads or tails of the Ryker vs Rockin from his side
5. th3kuzinator Bardull: Bardull gave me p. much zero information since he was just annoyed at being made fun of, but once Kuz came in I'm reading him solid town. He's asking good questions in the right way, and even pulled me back out of uncertainty (for better or worse)
6. Dark Horse: I'm weirded out by just how fast he jumped at NL after like the first actual conversation of the game and he was jumpy ever since. Recently been doing good 'town' work, but I still feel residual scum from him here and there
7. Swiss: Already discussed: totally weirded out by. I'm not sure what he's angling for but lying def. didn't help me think he's town
8. Orboknown: Posted like once, same as dabuz, need more input
9. Jdietz43: yay that's me :3
10. felipe_9595: he makes my brain turn to mush. I know he's foreign for the most part but I can't figure out what he's saying at all. I'm not sure he's scum but he's certainly a very unhelpful town if not. I wouldn't mind losing him simply because he's making things really hard to figure out for the rest of us
11. Red Ryu: Mixed feelings. On one hand he's my bro, but on the other I didn't really feel like he was acting like himself for most of the game so far. I'm used to him being super analytical and just a little outspoken when it matters but instead he was mispelling words and not saying much. I know we live in Miller-town but you don't have to hit the sauce every day bro (drunk or scum, it's a thing lol)
12. No Lynch (Zen/Soup Hydra): Gave me a brief uncertainty real early into the game just because he was way active and I didn't know what he was doing. Came though in flying colors recently though, and has been making great posts and stimulating things for town to read from. Solid townie, hopefully a power role
13. Ryker: Unsure, sort of like the Bleck Mang hydra. His arguments with Rockin have left him coming off bad in my eyes though. Light scum read, but nothing condemning


I feel like it's also way past the time in which I have enough opinions to put my vote on the table as well.

I know this is going to be super controversial... like, yeah... but I HAVE to throw mine down on Swiss

Vote: Swiss


I could have bought he was just arrogant and really aggressive at prodding, but after he lied and claimed to be my neighbor I have zero trust left for him and it's clear he's fogging the water. He's falling apart and raging at the same time. Even if he was town, it's not a town I trust to actually help us

Next on the "lolwut scum/useless?" list would be RR, DH, Felipe, and maybe Ryker but that's mostly because I just don't understand his argument with Rockin

 

[th3kuzinator]

Do what you need to do. Just know that if you don't NK me soon I will be the one to take you down.

 

[Swiss]

4. Rockin: my cool bro neighbor, honestly he seems like town to me just based on the start of our neighbor convos, but people make a good point that if you look at it the right way asking me my role right after confirming I'm new and saying that he didn't want "mafia to take advantage of me". I can't make heads or tails of the Ryker vs Rockin from his side

You've changed your tune.

Before you were trying to throw **** in Rockin's face. Now suddenly he's your cool bro?

 

[Jdietz43]

No, other people were throwing s*** in Rockin's face on speculation because of the way he asked, I already said my own noob opinion was he was alright (but they made good points), I'll look for the quote in a sec

I am throwing s*** in your face however. I don't see at all how lying about being my neighbor could ever help town

 

[Swiss]

Do what you need to do. Just know that if you don't NK me soon I will be the one to take you down.

I am a martyr.

Dietz dies toDay. This is final.

Cop/track on Kuz. Lynch RR/DH tomorrow if no guilty claim.

 

[No Lynch]

JDIETZ IS SO ****ING TOWNIE RIGHT NOW NOT EVEN HITLER COULD KEEP A DRY EYE IN THIS ROOM

Vote: Red Ryu

Okay, I'm done raging for a moment.

Look at Jdietz, look at all this information he's just willing to give. ****ing look at it and tell me that's scum.

 

[Swiss]

I don't see at all how lying about being my neighbor could ever help town

That's because you're an idiot.

 

[Swiss]

JDIETZ IS SO ****ING TOWNIE RIGHT NOW NOT EVEN HITLER COULD KEEP A DRY EYE IN THIS ROOM

Vote: Red Ryu

Okay, I'm done raging for a moment.

Look at Jdietz, look at all this information he's just willing to give. ****ing look at it and tell me that's scum.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS.

So dumb. You're all so dumb.

In a room of the blind.....

 

[No Lynch]

You realize if JDietz was lynched as scum right now he would leave obvious trails to his partners, something he wouldn't want to do? Look at how open he's being with EVERYONE

 

[No Lynch]

Solid townie, hopefully a power role

LOL why would scum ever say this xD.

Swiss you're being garbage right now. Go to bed.

Ryker and July. Join us.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't even understand the scum read on me from a lot of people.

 

[Swiss]

You realize if JDietz was lynched as scum right now he would leave obvious trails to his partners, something he wouldn't want to do? Look at how open he's being with EVERYONE

mfw this can be used as reasoning AFTER WE'VE AGREED IF HE WERE SCUM HE'S AN IDIOT.

All the more reason to lynch him, and GG on his buddies from there.

 

[felipe_9595]

I don't even understand the scum read on me from a lot of people.

I feel the same.

 

[No Lynch]

But it's not scum idiot, why the **** would his partners let him do this swiss, give me a reason of the peabrained scum-team that is letting JDietz do this right now

 

[Swiss]

But it's not scum idiot, why the **** would his partners let him do this swiss, give me a reason of the peabrained scum-team that is letting JDietz do this right now

This....

I....

I will not be able to sleep with the rage coursing through my veins.

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NL used irritate on Swiss

It's Super Effective!

 

[Jdietz43]

Lol... omg posts are exploding. Apparently I was the town lynchpin and didn't even know it?

I'll just like: come back and sort out the mess later lol, I gave my important info and reads so far

 

[Jdietz43]

I'mma just leave it here with Swiss as the clear vote from me, I can always change it if new info comes up when I get back

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

LOL why would scum ever say this xD.

Swiss you're being garbage right now. Go to bed.

Ryker and July. Join us.

I will see if the July town read is warranted here.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swiss is dumb or scum. Lets leave it at that. NL, calm down. I agree with what you're saying but there's no need to blow up about it or rush things. We have plenty of time to talk this out.

Still trying to decide where I want to go.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just look at what happened. He essentially came out of NOWHERE saying that he was flustered or whatever talking about how he doesn't have a vanilla role and that he's neighbors with somebody. EVERYTHING from that point on looked like he could have posted it with the question "What would town do in this situation?" in the back of his head. Oh, except for those spouts of being ********... It'd be a reach saying it was methodical sillyness but... it's the feel... Anyway, look at it from scumDietz POV, ALL he's trying to do is what he can to look townie. That, and the fact that it very well MAY HAVE been fed to him by his scum team to highlight his noobiness by outing his neighboring, not his role, which all in all isn't such a huge deal since neighbors aint worth shiz as far as alignment goes. I'm going with Swiss on this one.

So you think Ditz's scummates thought it a more fruitful option to have him out the masonry in thread so he could fish for town points instead of telling him what to say in the masonry to possible get a claim out of Rockin and get a better handle on the slot? Are you joking?

The way he did it was so haphazard there's no way his scummates told him to follow through like that. They would have nothing to gain putting so much attention on him, especially with him not being a power player. What good would it do even if Dietz gained some town points from the incident? It's not like they would expect him to carry their faction anyway.

The % chance of the things that would have to fall into place for Dietz to be scum would to be outrageously low coupled with the fact that Dietz himself would have had to pull it off convincingly. It makes so much more sense to just take what he did at face value.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

No .

 

[th3kuzinator]

So, Gorf, you're saying that, because this came out of nowhere, his scummates told him to claim masonry in thread to fish for town points. Am I right?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

So you think Ditz's scummates thought it a more fruitful option to have him out the masonry in thread so he could fish for town points instead of telling him what to say in the masonry to possible get a claim out of Rockin and get a better handle on the slot? Are you joking?

The way he did it was so haphazard there's no way his scummates told him to follow through like that. They would have nothing to gain putting so much attention on him, especially with him not being a power player. What good would it do even if Dietz gained some town points from the incident? It's not like they would expect him to carry their faction anyway.

The % chance of the things that would have to fall into place for Dietz to be scum would to be outrageously low coupled with the fact that Dietz himself would have had to pull it off convincingly. It makes so much more sense to just take what he did at face value.

All you're doing is s***ing on your Dietz scum read. Ain't it weird, how he's going so off tangent WELL AFTER there's been voiced suspicion of em? Every single post he made in that time span of that "wall of text" and the "so should I post my reads now" malarke was everything BUT genuine. And plus, by saying that his scummates wouldn't let em do this and try to get em to pump info from Rockin would be insulting the intelligence of Rockin to assume he wouldn't realize that JDietz is posting very info-pumpy for a noob. I don't think DIETZ would be able get much from ROCKIN, and I think his mates would consider the possibility of him royally f***ing up...