Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (10):
Jdietz43 (3): th3kuzinator, Bleck Mang, Swiss,
Dark Horse (1): Ryker
Bleck Mang (1): July
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin
Ryker (1): Dark Horse
Swiss (1): Jdietz43
Red Ryu (1): No Lynch

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (3):
dabuz
Orboknown
Red Ryu

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

J here. =3 So me and Gorf has a chat and we can't seem to solidly agree on things...

I have Jdietz as strong-n00b-town while Gorf is dead set on Jdietz as scum based on a connection theory that I don't really think it that much. I just do not believe Ditzy is scum with his behaviour w.r.t. his claiming in the thread and his reads post and just....he is too open to be scum. Like I don't even get the argument against him anymore so if one of Kuzi/Swiss can bring up those points again, I'd be mucho appreciative.

NL is town. Like it's Zen...I think....yeah he's town. Soupa-side is also coming across as town for me with the way he is trying to beat down Swissy with logic. I really haven't seen anything scummy between the two and I just know Zen. xD One-point though, I'm wondering why Zen hasn't tried anything on my slot yet because usually at this point in a game there is something to gauge a reaction for my alignment. I was somewhat wanting that and got left without it....;_;

Speaking of really-strong town reads, Swiss is a surprsing one I found and Gorf-duder agrees with me. I love his train of thought this game sans that DitzyScum read. I feel RR/Kuzi are leaning-scum for me and make me want to lynch them really badly. =P Swiss just looks a hella lot townier than he does scummier.

W.R.T. RR, both me and Gorf have gotten the impression that he is coming off really...cautious and methodilogical would be the words of choice. He just like is trying to look the best he can around the different situations going about during the day phase and it is just odd. I have a feeling there are back-doors in his posts but I'd have to look into that more.

FoS: Red Ryu

Kuzi, I dislike him for a few reasons. =/

- How he is slightly OMGUSing Swiss with the "Dumb or Scum" argument when Swiss started to throw suspicion his way
- I really dislike how he is backing out of his DitzyScum read when he was really gung-ho about it when people aren't really seeing it anymore in current tide.
- His reasoning behind DitzyScum was also just not substantiated well because what he was saying was n00bScum just did not line up with what Ditzy was doing as pointed out by Zen. It looked like a really easy push.
- I disliked his reasoning towards his DH-town read, specifically a point where he said: "He just looks like bad-town caught in a bad-position." which doesn't really explain much and is a very safe position to take. I can see a DH-Kuzi connection based off this or Kuzi covering his butt in case the DH lynch happened and he did flip town.
- His reactions towards Swiss' pressure just make me cringe like this little bit.

Swiss is dumb or scum. Lets leave it at that.

He is trying to shut down the discussion around him being a candidate/suspect and him just laughing at Swiss' suspicion set off bad vibes.

I need to talk to Gorf about our vote but:

HoS: Kuzi

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

So, Gorf, you're saying that, because this came out of nowhere, his scummates told him to claim masonry in thread to fish for town points. Am I right?

No. I'm saying that his scummates to claim that he had a neighbor and that he had a nonvanilla role (his "wall of text"). Everything after that, considering the fact that it was in close times together, was him thinking "what would a townie say".

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I love getting ninja'd by myself.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Dag on ninja's. ><"

Just when I thought I was caught up.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I love getting ninja'd by myself.

You, get on aim please. Thanks. <3

 

[th3kuzinator]

All you're doing is s***ing on your Dietz scum read. Ain't it weird, how he's going so off tangent WELL AFTER there's been voiced suspicion of em? Every single post he made in that time span of that "wall of text" and the "so should I post my reads now" malarke was everything BUT genuine. And plus, by saying that his scummates wouldn't let em do this and try to get em to pump info from Rockin would be insulting the intelligence of Rockin to assume he wouldn't realize that JDietz is posting very info-pumpy for a noob. I don't think DIETZ would be able get much from ROCKIN, and I think his mates would consider the possibility of him royally f***ing up...

Stop being dense. I had read Dietz as scum but have changed my read with these new string of posts. You're wrong on them not being genuine. I thought they were very convincing. And I'm not insulting the intelligence of Rockin. His scummates, if they were competent to any degree, could have told him to act noobish in the QT and try and gain Rockin's trust. He wouldn't pump info from Rockin, he would just simply ask Rockin to claim to him after he fake-claimed to Rockin. Simple as anything.

You're way over-complicating the scenario and reaching to do so.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

NL, I haven't really seen a concrete opinion on Kuzi's slot. Can I has please?

Lots of no-shows this game and it's beginning to become a show centered around the half of the game that is doing stuff.

One of the no-shows I really wanna hear from is Rockin considering since things are floating about his slot since Ditzy's claim.

 

[th3kuzinator]

actually I should prob. shut my trap before I accidentally give mafia reason to pwn me lol

NO SOUP 4 U

they prob. wouldn't but I dun wanna screw up royal straight off first game lol

Knowing me in 5 more minutes of chatter I'd be like: "Btw guys how am I supposed to play cop?.... ****." XD

See.. this is exactly what I was talking about... I already feel like I've handed my *** away lol

I should just keep quiet and stop blabbing to people who actually know what they're doing lest terribad things befall my personage

So you think that his scummates also told him to softclaim this type of paranoia from the very start of the game?

This is such an outrageous theory.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Kuzi, why are you just now pointing out that paranoia from Ditzy as a town-tell? =P

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because the intent completely makes sense with what he's revealed in the past few hours.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Like I said, I can see where you're coming from with townDietz. And I can see where J's coming from with townDietz. And maybe I am reaching and that's what J was saying before... Ultimately both sides rely on mad WIFOM and mad speculation. I'm willing to look at other avenues, watchu thinkin mang?

Oh btw, Kuz, lovely still seeing your vote on em.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Because the intent completely makes sense with what he's revealed in the past few hours.

I just find it weird that you didn't even seem to consider the possibilty of DitzyTown till this point in the game and now you are trying to provide evidence from a point in time where you thought he was scum.

I don't know how to re-word that sentence so I apologize it came off a tad weirdly worded. ^^"

 

[th3kuzinator]

- How he is slightly OMGUSing Swiss with the "Dumb or Scum" argument when Swiss started to throw suspicion his way

This isn't scummy.

- I really dislike how he is backing out of his DitzyScum read when he was really gung-ho about it when people aren't really seeing it anymore in current tide.

Reaching. Reads change all the time, you should know that better than anyone J. My thought process on why my read changed has been very clear. Trying to construe it to popular opinion is gross.

- His reasoning behind DitzyScum was also just not substantiated well because what he was saying was n00bScum just did not line up with what Ditzy was doing as pointed out by Zen. It looked like a really easy push.

That's a lie. Not only did I plenty substantiate my read, even Zen said he could see my PoV. Even your own hydra partner agreed with my own reasoning.

- I disliked his reasoning towards his DH-town read, specifically a point where he said: "He just looks like bad-town caught in a bad-position." which doesn't really explain much and is a very safe position to take. I can see a DH-Kuzi connection based off this or Kuzi covering his butt in case the DH lynch happened and he did flip town.

Connection based point. Thought you didn't bother with those, J?

- His reactions towards Swiss' pressure just make me cringe like this little bit.

Pahahaha

 

[th3kuzinator]

Like I said, I can see where you're coming from with townDietz. And I can see where J's coming from with townDietz. And maybe I am reaching and that's what J was saying before... Ultimately both sides rely on mad WIFOM and mad speculation. I'm willing to look at other avenues, watchu thinkin mang?

Oh btw, Kuz, lovely still seeing your vote on em.

If that was directed at me then yes ofc I'm looking at other avenues. Duh.

And thanks. I plan to keep it hear as long as necessary until I figure out where I want to go.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I just find it weird that you didn't even seem to consider the possibilty of DitzyTown till this point in the game and now you are trying to provide evidence from a point in time where you thought he was scum.

I don't know how to re-word that sentence so I apologize it came off a tad weirdly worded. ^^"

I did consider that possibility. Before his reveal, though, multiple signs pointed towards noobscum over noobtown. After, his intent changed my read which also matched with the content of his earlier posts. Especially when I re-read them in a new light.

Really not a hard concept.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

If that was directed at me then yes ofc I'm looking at other avenues. Duh.

And thanks. I plan to keep it hear as long as necessary until I figure out where I want to go.

Ofc you're looking at avenues that wasn't the question mang learn2read

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

This isn't scummy.

Uhm....yes it is in my eyes. =P

Reaching. Reads change all the time, you should know that better than anyone J. My thought process on why my read changed has been very clear. Trying to construe it to popular opinion is gross.

Why did you need the wording of "you should know better than anyone J."? I don't like the way you are attempting to make it seem like it is something I should not consider scummy. Reads change all the time is your excuse? I don't buy it personally. ^^"

That's a lie. Not only did I plenty substantiate my read, even Zen said he could see my PoV. Even your own hydra partner agreed with my own reasoning.

I've said I disagreed with Gorf and can you show me where Zen said he saw your PoV because I am remembering it opposite. Link me to your big justification post on Ditzy too while you are at it please.

Connection based point. Thought you didn't bother with those, J?

You've been gone a while duder. I began playing differently after my HP mafia hiatus.

Pahahaha

This is kind of the same deal w.r.t. what you are doing to Swissy.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

EBWOP: To the first line, for a player list yourself, Kuzi, to use OMGUS is a bad sign for me. I would think a townKuzi would be more....logical(?) towards a scenario such as this with a player like Swiss whom you know can acquire your lynch.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swiss? Can acquire my lynch?

You must be joking.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Swiss? Can acquire my lynch?

You must be joking.

If I can do it, so can he. =P

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Even July has lynched you before. Swiss can deffo pull it off so don't be like that. xD

 

[th3kuzinator]

Stopping this conversation right here. I have no interest in discussing bravado.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm going to play LoL for a while, when I come back I got a post for this.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Welp, I'm out too for a bit sooo yeah.

Wasn't discussing bravado Kuzi so =P.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Here's the deal. Find me a place between our interaction that warrants me responding to anything Swiss has said, and I'll do it. He had a town read on me and then he changed it based on internal reasoning presumably based on feel wrt my interaction with Dietz. That and his apparent suggestion that Dietz is trying to distance from me by misspelling my name wrong. What is there to comment on?

 

[No Lynch]

@Bleck: I liked that post and I feel much better about your slot from you. As for why I haven't done anything to gauge your alignment is because at the start your play felt like the casual play you had in Upick Pokemafia which I couldn't grasp that game. I think you play differently when your a hydra and figured I wouldn't be able to really get a read on you until something intense happened and you posted more. I did tell Soupa though that if you agreed with Gorf on dietz scum, then you were scum, so I'm glad that's not the case.

We've been categorizing our reads into four sections: Like/Null-OK with living/Needs investigation-Null/OK with dying. Up until #373/#381 Kooz has been in the second category. He's in the third at the moment. I didn't really get why he was willing to explain his town read on us. And I'm surprised he hasn't put any suspicion on Ryu which is what I've been fishing from him.

 

[No Lynch]

wasn't willing*

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why did you need the wording of "you should know better than anyone J."? I don't like the way you are attempting to make it seem like it is something I should not consider scummy. Reads change all the time is your excuse? I don't buy it personally. ^^"

Reads to change all the time. Especially when the person you're pursuing drops a neighbor claim out of nowhere in such a fashion. Are you doubting this?

I've said I disagreed with Gorf and can you show me where Zen said he saw your PoV because I am remembering it opposite. Link me to your big justification post on Ditzy too while you are at it please.

The initial vibe I get when I look at his post are noob town. I can see noobscum when I look over them again, but honestly it feels a bit overanalytical. Like July said, they way that he had no hesitation when posting is a plus. It felt like he was truly being reactionary, not really playing in a cautious way. If he had scum buddies, I think he would ask them for help with regards to some of the stuff we were saying like with his #20. As scum I feel #19 would have created a bit of panic in him, but instead he posted just a few minutes later in his gooflike way. As scum I think he would have been aware of the point I was making in #19.[/B]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14131181&postcount=478

You've been gone a while duder. I began playing differently after my HP mafia hiatus.

Doesn't change the fact that this point doesn't incriminate me in the slightest.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If you want me to get behind RR, link me to your stuff on him. All I remember not liking thus far is his continuance to ask for Dietz's earlier games.

 

[No Lynch]

Scratch that, we like Kuz at the moment.

 

[th3kuzinator]

What's not to like? I'm obvtown.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

**** me, but there's too many people I want to die.

Investigative SERIOUSLY needs to hit Kuz tonight. I kind of hate everything he's posted in the last two pages.

I hate JDietz. I hate Dork Horse. I don't understand J, RR, and NL. I do like July (first time in history). Felipe and Rockin I categorize as dumb over scum and doubt I'll be resending that soon short of some monumental slip from Felipe. Orbo and Dabuz are my nulls.

 

[No Lynch]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (10):
Jdietz43 (3): th3kuzinator, Bleck Mang, Swiss,
Dark Horse (1): Ryker
Bleck Mang (1): July
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin
Ryker (1): Dark Horse
Swiss (1): Jdietz43
Red Ryu (1): No Lynch

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (3):
dabuz
Orboknown
Red Ryu

The votes are too spread out for my liking. Let's get some concentration (on Ryu preferably).

In any event I don't think Ryker is much concern right now Dark Horse. I ask that you switch to someone else because I don't really see that going anywhere right now.

I may go through Ryu's posts when I come back from din.

We need to hear more from Oro, Rockin, dabuz, and July, and DH.

 

[th3kuzinator]

**** me, but there's too many people I want to die.

Investigative SERIOUSLY needs to hit Kuz tonight. I kind of hate everything he's posted in the last two pages.

I hate JDietz. I hate Dork Horse. I don't understand J, RR, and NL. I do like July (first time in history). Felipe and Rockin I categorize as dumb over scum and doubt I'll be resending that soon short of some monumental slip from Felipe. Orbo and Dabuz are my nulls.

How about grow a pair and actually challange me on it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Go to hell.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I'm actually going to quote something you brought up yourself Kuzi. You posted a link to a quote about you saying w.r.t. DietzTown switch but you brought up another point of you.

And all this can simply be analyzed through perspectives. Why would scum Dietz bother revealing his neighborhood when there was no reason too. If he was on a scumteam, his mates would have told him to pump info out of Rockin or at least play along until they could get a handle on him. The fact that he gave it up for no reason just means he doesn't have anything to gain from keeping the masonry hidden, something scum would definitely have.

Also, everyone feel free to ignore Swiss. He's not reading mafia atm. Probably indy. Will be dealt with later.

The bolded is exactly what I am talking about. If you really didn't care/think about your lynch being a possibility, why are you telling people to ignore Swiss. Not only do you ignore Swiss but in the same sentence you discredit him by throwing suspicion his way. It's playing dirty/scummy.

Also why is he indy and not mafia? What brought about you having to make the justification that he is IndyScum>MafiaScum?

 

[th3kuzinator]

A better question would be why are you selectively scumhunting. Swiss has made blanket statements all game but when I make one its an automatic red flag for you. Your heightened focus on me is strange.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Reads to change all the time. Especially when the person you're pursuing drops a neighbor claim out of nowhere in such a fashion. Are you doubting this?

Where did we show that we were doubting his neighbor claim? o_O"

Doesn't change the fact that this point doesn't incriminate me in the slightest.

It doesn't incriminate you of anything right now, that you are correct on. However, it does begin incriminating you post-flip in my eyes. ;P

If you want me to get behind RR, link me to your stuff on him. All I remember not liking thus far is his continuance to ask for Dietz's earlier games.

Can you explain how his continuance of asking Ditzy for earlier games scummy/cause for dislike? That seems like the most null action you could take to dislike RR for.

Please show us why you shouldn't get behind RR since you seem to not really have an urge to defend him/attack him at all.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

A better question would be why are you selectively scumhunting. Swiss has made blanket statements all game but when I make one its an automatic red flag for you. Your heightened focus on me is strange.

Heightened focus on you is because you are this half's biggest scum-read at the current time. =P

Selectively scum-hunting? I just saw you making the "blanket statement" as a turn for you to difuse any heat coming your way which looked scummy.

Don't pull that card saying that I'm selectively scum-hunting on you and not considering all the facts in my push on you as an attempt to lessen my attack on you. You are deflecting what I am saying back onto Swiss and not taking credit for it.

Answer the questions please Kuzi instead of just deflecting it away.