Dcold
Smash Lord
I think you underestimate the power of Sheik's tipper lol. Plus he's already off of the ground at a high-ish percent.
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Sheikah Training: Know Your Surroundings Sheik Stage Discussion~Lylat Cruise
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Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
My problem was forgetting how bad of a character wario truly is.
Dcold
Smash Lord
You just really hate Wario don't ya? One too many farts to the face? Jealous of the stache? Is Wario the Based God?
Wario ain't that bad, and he is the Based God.
Wario ain't that bad, and he is the Based God.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
I love playing against wario. It's like playing against Ganon except people think I'm good when i win.
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Hype Incarnate
@Tutu: probably the funniest comment I've read in a while.
If you grusmash him on the plats he can't Smash DI into the second hit.
warios air mobility and fart make his edge gaurd game crazy on this stage though...
warios air mobility and fart make his edge gaurd game crazy on this stage though...
sheikamaru
jive
Grusmash. Lol
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
*As it is well known*
One keen advantage on BF is that the two lower platforms are a set up for tipper USmash.
We need a photo showing how how much of the hit bubble pokes through. If I still had my hacking tools and Wii I would do it myself, but I haven't touched those tools for about two years now so even if I did have them I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I would probably just sit there and stare at the screen wondering why the game crashed. lol
One keen advantage on BF is that the two lower platforms are a set up for tipper USmash.
We need a photo showing how how much of the hit bubble pokes through. If I still had my hacking tools and Wii I would do it myself, but I haven't touched those tools for about two years now so even if I did have them I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I would probably just sit there and stare at the screen wondering why the game crashed. lol
Dcold
Smash Lord
Final ratings on BF, and characters to Ban/Strike/CP to here?
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290313
^that is what I think.
^that is what I think.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Just want to say although its a bit off topic, I love japanese ruleset stage list. Never have to play on SV unless its like IC/Diddy, or apparantly ROB.
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Hype Incarnate
You can do the neat B-reversed needles on the platforms to change your momentum and generally be more mobile.
Other than that, I think everything has been said as far as what Sheik can do on this stage.
As far as who to ban and what not, my personal Ban is on Marth for this stage just because he can utilize it better than us. Out of personal preference for sure. Honestly aside from my personal ban on Marth, I wouldn't ban this stage against anyone.
Other than that, I think everything has been said as far as what Sheik can do on this stage.
As far as who to ban and what not, my personal Ban is on Marth for this stage just because he can utilize it better than us. Out of personal preference for sure. Honestly aside from my personal ban on Marth, I wouldn't ban this stage against anyone.
Dcold
Smash Lord
I'll update the thread in a couple days, AP tests this week and projects etc. so I'm kind of stacked.
Start SV now I suppose.
~~~SMASHVILLE~~~
Start SV now I suppose.
~~~SMASHVILLE~~~
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
This stage is stupid and i strike/ban it in every set where rainbow cruise isn't legal.
The edge is dumb and has a lip that can catch vanish, the moving platform isn't a real help to us because we suck when we're above people, and its at a height where upsmash wont go through.
The edge is dumb and has a lip that can catch vanish, the moving platform isn't a real help to us because we suck when we're above people, and its at a height where upsmash wont go through.
DLA
"Their anguish was my nourishment."
Everything Tutu says is true. However nothing can quench my undying love for Smashville.
In IL/WI we have something called "wisconsin striking"...which means we don't actually strike at all, and instead we start every set on Smashville. Best striking system ever.
In IL/WI we have something called "wisconsin striking"...which means we don't actually strike at all, and instead we start every set on Smashville. Best striking system ever.
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Hype Incarnate
That happens in FL as well!
Personally I like SV, but I do hate that lip though. Died to that more than at FD when I first got started.
Personally I like SV, but I do hate that lip though. Died to that more than at FD when I first got started.
If memory serves right only one side of the stage caught Sheik's Vanish while the other didn't.
sheikamaru
jive
You for real about that? I know for a fact the left side of the stage vanish catches, haven't really tried the other side
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Hype Incarnate
I honestly love this stage, I don't see why many of us don't......tutu. Lol.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
This is the worst stage in the game, idk how u guys can like i see nothing good about it.
Vs Snake he gets more stage control from C4, vs MK he gets a chance at escaping GR dacus by waitig for the platform, and at really high percents its practically a guaranteed escape, not to mention it significantly helps him in gimping us off stage do to being able to to normally unsafe attempts at SL safe or landing trap us into a d-smash. Diddy is as annoying here as everywhere else. Falco gets a situation platform to escape too but its less significant than battlefield I guess. TL can air camp us better here, same with sonic having more places he can run to and charge spindashes safely. ICs as mentioned before have platform cancel grab frame traps.
all in all I also find it too plain with not enough we can take advantage of against other characters in general, but it has elements that other people can use against us, that we can;t as effectively us against them. So at best i consider it a +0 stage boost, while everyone else gets +0 or more on this stae against us.
EDIT: **** zinoto
Vs Snake he gets more stage control from C4, vs MK he gets a chance at escaping GR dacus by waitig for the platform, and at really high percents its practically a guaranteed escape, not to mention it significantly helps him in gimping us off stage do to being able to to normally unsafe attempts at SL safe or landing trap us into a d-smash. Diddy is as annoying here as everywhere else. Falco gets a situation platform to escape too but its less significant than battlefield I guess. TL can air camp us better here, same with sonic having more places he can run to and charge spindashes safely. ICs as mentioned before have platform cancel grab frame traps.
all in all I also find it too plain with not enough we can take advantage of against other characters in general, but it has elements that other people can use against us, that we can;t as effectively us against them. So at best i consider it a +0 stage boost, while everyone else gets +0 or more on this stae against us.
EDIT: **** zinoto
Dcold
Smash Lord
I'd say it's the definition of a neutral for us. Tutu just hates this stage lolol.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
it benefits us in now way, and can only benefit the people who play against us.
DLA
"Their anguish was my nourishment."
Personally I HATE relying on stages for anything other than giving me a reliable fighting ground upon which I can outsmart my opponent.
Situational advantages are nice, but I think there's a lot more to be said about fighting in an area that you feel intimately comfortable with. And that happens to be Smashville for me.
Situational advantages are nice, but I think there's a lot more to be said about fighting in an area that you feel intimately comfortable with. And that happens to be Smashville for me.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
I think tutu is right.
But the truth is most people are comfortable on smashville just because everyone plays on it all the time.
But the truth is most people are comfortable on smashville just because everyone plays on it all the time.
You call?
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
*comment retracted*
Dcold
Smash Lord
Takes 5 minutes to learn how to do it consistently. Really not difficult.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Are ypu talking about platform cancrlling? If so you can do it without dair to minimize the risk of ****ing urself over
Dcold
Smash Lord
You actually don't have to press any button to Platform Cancel, just hold down and release at the right time.
Or tap down on the control stick.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Ah wait. I forgot the other ways to do it. my bad
Ankoku is right this happens on the left side of EVERY stage for the record. just gotta learn how to position yourself to avoid the lip. The catch has actually saved me many a set.
I really feel like with out ground speed and that plats height a majority of the cast can really pressure us well from underneath for long. I've never felt stuck when I'm on that platform.
Dcold
Smash Lord
Only times I really feel stuck on that platform are against MK and Olimar.
Dcold
Smash Lord
Alright this one seems done, updating OP now with Battlefield and Smashville:
Next discussion -
LYLAT CRUISE, have a ball Tutu.
First off, I'd say don't take Olimar here, the metal stage gives him more Purples and Yellows I believe, and he has really good pressure game when we're above him, and that's his main killing way.
Second, I hate this stage, it always kills me when it tilts and I'm recovering, the tilt on the stage itself causes needles to hit the stage rather than the person.
Pros: There are platforms, which means we can have a ball, and these platforms are able to be Uptilted and Upsmashed through, so we have good pressure when people are above us. I'd recommend not taking Snake/Marth/Olimar here just because of how well they do with platforms, as well as MK since we cannot reliably grab release him here, and things get in the way.
Next discussion -
LYLAT CRUISE, have a ball Tutu.
First off, I'd say don't take Olimar here, the metal stage gives him more Purples and Yellows I believe, and he has really good pressure game when we're above him, and that's his main killing way.
Second, I hate this stage, it always kills me when it tilts and I'm recovering, the tilt on the stage itself causes needles to hit the stage rather than the person.
Pros: There are platforms, which means we can have a ball, and these platforms are able to be Uptilted and Upsmashed through, so we have good pressure when people are above us. I'd recommend not taking Snake/Marth/Olimar here just because of how well they do with platforms, as well as MK since we cannot reliably grab release him here, and things get in the way.
sheikamaru
jive
I just avoid lylas all together if I can. That stage is just as dangerous as that flippy metroid stage... Can't remember the name. An I wish norfair was legal..
Dcold
Smash Lord
You mean Frigate? I actually enjoy that stage. I'd say it's my backup option against characters who do better than me on Halberd.
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Hype Incarnate
I actually don't mind the stage. More often than not it messes with our opponent more than it does us. I agree that olimar is a borderline no-no here. We can win there against him.
Dcold
Smash Lord
The only character I think I've EVER CP'd Lylat against, was Ice Climbers.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Lylat is amazing.
low platforms on the right and left side make our day, while under the middle one we can harras with SH aerials.the ledge isn't too big of a deal because of chain, but it can be hard to get a lagless vanish landing. Stage spiking is really brutal hear, and our bair underneath teh stage is almost certain death for majority of the cast, even if they tech it, they're stuck under the stage. All of the platforms, including the stage can be platform cancelled.
I take everyone here, but i think characters like kirby who can wall us off do really well here. IC's is hit or miss since they can platform cancel grab here they become a decent threat, but at the same time nana can do to stupid ledge stuff more easily, and its really easy to separate them once they're above you. I like fighting Olimar here, but he does get more purples so it's quite possible that this isn't the best stage for this MU.
low platforms on the right and left side make our day, while under the middle one we can harras with SH aerials.the ledge isn't too big of a deal because of chain, but it can be hard to get a lagless vanish landing. Stage spiking is really brutal hear, and our bair underneath teh stage is almost certain death for majority of the cast, even if they tech it, they're stuck under the stage. All of the platforms, including the stage can be platform cancelled.
I take everyone here, but i think characters like kirby who can wall us off do really well here. IC's is hit or miss since they can platform cancel grab here they become a decent threat, but at the same time nana can do to stupid ledge stuff more easily, and its really easy to separate them once they're above you. I like fighting Olimar here, but he does get more purples so it's quite possible that this isn't the best stage for this MU.