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Sheik Video & Video Critique Thread

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LOL well it's funny non of the shieks I play ever grab release -> regrab me. Probably because I ban FD and I don't usually get grabbed in that sort of a position to often... >.>

But it's almost always dash attack, dacus or needles lol.

So far the best shieks I've played are NEO and Light though so maybe I just don't have a lot of exp, but considering how rare a good sheik main is the fact that I have some I'm proud of lol.
 
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phi1ny3 said:
btw Orion, what happened to that whole picking up sheik thing? Just not worth the difficulty to play?
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A few things. I don't usually say I'm picking up a character unless I mean it but... after really looking into sheik a few things happened.

1) Wtf matchup would I use her for that MK doesn't cover better? Fox?? I have ICs for that even though sheik fits my playstyle better IMO.
Even if I put enough time into her where I would feel like I could bust her out in tournament there's no reasons to.... I do think she is tournament viable but I just don't know when to use her. Mr.R actually said the same thing to me 2 weeks ago when trying to pick her up and I had to laugh haha
I like sheik vs falco and wario, they feel more natural than MK actually. But DDD is much easier for wario.... I might use her for falco though if I decide to drop ICs

2) All of those characters minus DDD are pretty technical and require a good amount of time to keep in perfect shape for me, and I feel like sheik is the same way. I really have to put in time because small mistakes = huge losses with her.

3) I changed my controls in december.. I used to have Z attack, X grab, L jump. Now I have neutral controls, and I don't like clawing to dacus it's not so free a movement even once I got it down consistently.
I changed to neutral so I could go back to melee... I'm thinking of putting L as attack though for craq walks and dacus's but that would be after my exams are over on june 8th and I have time to really practice.

TL:DR

MK covers much more matchups than Sheik with less techskill involved, and I'm not really sure where or when to use her. I've really been slowly dropping IC's anyway so I can spend more time on other characters that I actually enjoy playing.
So I honestly will try again in the summer but right now in Exam time it's hard...
 
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Correct me if I'm mistaken..but I believe I saw you break mks nado twice without the use of needles?

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look up MK hit boxes for tornado. if you can hit him without hitting those hitting boxes to win everytime. I like to break with weak nair, but fair hit below you on it's last frame. bair hit below you as well.
 
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^You do a lot of mistakes/risky business that's unnecessary (like the midair vanish). That won't fly against a good snake, make sure you hammer out those and play a little more safely, because every hit from snake counts for like 10 of yours lol. Refrain from using aerial needles unless you can do them laglessly, it'll mess you up big time if you have to deal with the lag afterwards.

On a more positive note, I liked your mixups, especially those drop down aerials, it's always good to keep snake guessing, because he's really good at punishing predictability. I liked that dsmash under his nair, dsmash is very useful for the MU imo.

Half of those bairs came because you got overconfident as sheik in the air. I actually borrowed some landing trap tricks from MK that translate pretty well as sheik against snake (using lagless SH uair/nair to force snake to AD/bair, then grabbing/dsmashing them for free), use some smart juggle play, because once again, sheik can't take a lot of aerials for her mistakes like other characters can.
 
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I don't really understand your Sheik, <3. You go for a lot of safe options, which is fine, but then when you make any sort of move to try to get in on Xaltis, you do so in a really obvious way. Like, I'm pretty sure 70% of your completely naked SH fairs got shield-punished. Basically, you're doing great with what you know how to use, but a ton of your approaches were being predictable from the start. You thankfully cut down on that in the second game, but you basically threw away a lead playing that way in the first one.
 
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:( critique me please though.

my second win versus Xaltis was pretty lucky IMO... I probably shouldn't have taken that win.

first game I should of had... panicked and it cost me tons of damage and pretty much the game (I'd stand in my sheild when I got back on stage for example. bad rolls.)

3rd game I think I got 2 stocked on Rainbow, lol.
 
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<3 2 things i noticed pretty quick was ur needle tossing on recovery. he was not ever falling for that or even getting hit by it so you were costing yourself a good amount of distance on your recovery. As a result you could never get close enough to the ledge to make vanish safer (by threatening him with it on the ledge or making it too hard to punish if you do go on stage). Ideally if you are closer when you vanish you either get the ledge or force him to hit you the other way which you can then DI and get back on stage. You took alot of damage from that.

Also i wouldn't ever do GR single needle, its like 2% when a throw is 7% and puts em in a better spot.
 
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<3 2 things i noticed pretty quick was ur needle tossing on recovery. he was not ever falling for that or even getting hit by it so you were costing yourself a good amount of distance on your recovery. As a result you could never get close enough to the ledge to make vanish safer (by threatening him with it on the ledge or making it too hard to punish if you do go on stage). Ideally if you are closer when you vanish you either get the ledge or force him to hit you the other way which you can then DI and get back on stage. You took alot of damage from that.
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Yes and no... needles while recovering have cost me a few stocks in the past but not really this match, I think I may of gotten hit directly because of it once.
I think I hit him one time with a needle. the point of the needle isn't necessarily to hit him but to change how he has to approach. I lose a bit of horizontal distance but chances are I would have waited that out regardless or charged needles during the fall regardless because I'm not gonna lose much out of it as far as recovery options. i have the most success recovering low versus MK so yeah...

If you watch the match I have a number of opportunities to on reaction go for the ledge after I start vanish I don't because I'm being bad and panicking, but the options were there even when I was charging needles or tossing them.

Also i wouldn't ever do GR single needle, its like 2% when a throw is 7% and puts em in a better spot.
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very true... IDK maybe I was trying to get in as many pummels as I could? I really don't know what I was thinking but you are right.
 
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<3 said:
Yes and no... needles while recovering have cost me a few stocks in the past but not really this match, I think I may of gotten hit directly because of it once.
I think I hit him one time with a needle. the point of the needle isn't necessarily to hit him but to change how he has to approach. I lose a bit of horizontal distance but chances are I would have waited that out regardless or charged needles during the fall regardless because I'm not gonna lose much out of it as far as recovery options. i have the most success recovering low versus MK so yeah...

If you watch the match I have a number of opportunities to on reaction go for the ledge after I start vanish I don't because I'm being bad and panicking, but the options were there even when I was charging needles or tossing them.


very true... IDK maybe I was trying to get in as many pummels as I could? I really don't know what I was thinking but you are right.
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Don't get me wrong throwing needles can help alot while recovering but it wasn't really affecting his angle of attack at all. he was simply going under them and then waiting for your vanish. There were several times where you were so far away from the ledge that after you landed he was able to walk past you and hit you with the back part of dsmash. I think if you hadn't thrown the needles and instead vanished a little aerlier he would have at best hit you with the front end which you could then DI and get a free tether to the ledge on the other side. Thats how it looked to me anyway.
 
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yeah most of those times I could of just vanished to the edge though...

I mostly use needles to keep people on stage so I gain recovery options or if they are off stage its to make them go under so I don't get daired or faired or reverse upBed (speacking specifically MK)
The point IS to wait. whether or not I was charging or tossing needles I'd probablly be the upBing at very similar times. If you watch the matches you'll see in most of those case I could of just held straight horizontal and had gotten the ledge.

Seibrik in our friendlies back in the day would just nair me for those needles though... so trust me I definitely understand where you are coming from needle toss is highly punishable so I try to use them in situations where I would be directly punished.
 
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<3 said:
:( critique me please though.
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My critiques are always on the style. Your defensive retreating play is fine but you play at a heavy loss whenever you're forced out of that comfort zone. In fact, you become all too eager to make yourself about as punishable and readable as you can get when those situations happen.
 
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@ankoku
agreed I get CRAZY predictable.
@judo
I rewatched the vids, I see what you mean.
 
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Ugh ROB v. Sheik is my new least favorite MU.

Sheik v. D3 I like though, I'm glad I used her in tournament for that one match, even though I lost lol.
 
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Tree isn't bad at all. In the 2nd match he was fishing for an opening way too hard and Jerm took off on him. 1st match was very nice. TL can be humped fairly well by Sheik but to me, it's a matter of conditioning the TL player.

Anti's Sheik was lulzy but I saw a few interesting mixups that I may add. His matches shows me that I need to get better at buffering out of SHAD.
 
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Yeah Anti's was surprisingly... decent overall. Kinda cool to see the mixups like jab -> dsmash stuff.

Yeah I like Tree but almost all of his recorded matches are wifi, so I never get to see his playstyle out of lag :(. And yeah, with damage rackers like these, if one loses a stock, usually the other gets nailed pretty hard because of the significant lead the other gets due to a lack of a solid opening for the other to finish the stock off.
 
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I like anti's back throw to jump vanish that was crazy cool.
jab dsmash... >: ( where have I heard that before.

tree was cool.
 
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Just because there's practically zero videos recorded over here doesn't mean you get to claim nobody's listening, <3. Mars does the jab setups plenty.
 
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good... good. Its just SOO~ strong everyone should be doing it. it helps so much with getting safe kills.

like when people do jab->ftilt at dsmash's kill percents.

or when people dsmash to punish and get power sheilded.

SO~ fustrating to watch, lol.
 
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I secondary shiek sorta so get ready to see more video's :)

Alot of Shiek money matches will be uploaded. :D
 
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Tree does have a good Sheik...he just doesn't go to a lot of smashfests, which is where I record most vids anyways. :ohwell:
 
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ScaryLB59 said:
Awesome, hope to see it. If I see ya at Apex 2012, I'll show ya a few tricksies.

@Rocketttrainer: Get tree to go to things!!! Must see moar of his Sheik!
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Ahh thats my ***** Ed right there, i remember us talking at Apex 2010.

Teach me how to DACUS!
 
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So frustrated, every time I say I'm gonna have new vids, my stuff gets lost by the person uploading it. Grrrrrrr......I'll see what I can do in terms of getting some of my matches up this weekend.
 
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