For realz Dave =D.
..... I actually need to go shopping for clothing >_<
..... I actually need to go shopping for clothing >_<
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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I'm sooooo god tier at shopping.
I love this thread.
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Speaking of actual sheik stuff.
I'm considering using drop off nairs more replacing drop off bairs for edgeguards.
I'm also trying to think of fun ways to incorporate her awkward wall jump.
Any ideas?
*Glares at soap*
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Speaking of actual sheik stuff.
I'm considering using drop off nairs more replacing drop off bairs for edgeguards.
I'm also trying to think of fun ways to incorporate her awkward wall jump.
Any ideas?
*Glares at soap*
Did we not talk about this once all ready? sigh.
soap
Smash Hero
id join u guys but i just got some fresh J's
tec, wall-jump nair is the business
or u could always do the old walljump needle turn bair
I just copped some fresh forces
soap
Smash Hero
i like shoes that u can actually do sports in too
forces are like big flat cinderblocks
forces are like big flat cinderblocks
Luma
Smash Lord
i like nair from the ledge, you can do some really cool stuff after it
they have low %, just do it again or downsmash
they have mid/high %, they can either tech or get hit to the other side
if they techjump with upb, just do a wd bair from the egde, if they tech to upb, nair again or downsmash
if they tech(jump) to illusion you might still hit them with a tilt or downsmash
with the runoff bair you might get shinespiked or spiked if they can tech, and since bair is so ****ing amazing its kinda hard to trade, esp with falco (atleast for me)
they have low %, just do it again or downsmash
they have mid/high %, they can either tech or get hit to the other side
if they techjump with upb, just do a wd bair from the egde, if they tech to upb, nair again or downsmash
if they tech(jump) to illusion you might still hit them with a tilt or downsmash
with the runoff bair you might get shinespiked or spiked if they can tech, and since bair is so ****ing amazing its kinda hard to trade, esp with falco (atleast for me)
ahha yeah thats the thing about forces, they are comfort shoes. I rock DWades for hooops
Sorry I just realized I was being mad vague about what I meant.
I meant I'm using drop off nairs to deal with Spacies that try to hug the stage for fire foxes.
I'm also using the drop off nair to deal with spacies that try to fire fox but they potentially have the option to firefox into the stage and hug it for the sweetspot, overshoot it, or go straight for the edge.
Nair -> fair raaaapes =D.
I meant I'm using drop off nairs to deal with Spacies that try to hug the stage for fire foxes.
I'm also using the drop off nair to deal with spacies that try to fire fox but they potentially have the option to firefox into the stage and hug it for the sweetspot, overshoot it, or go straight for the edge.
Nair -> fair raaaapes =D.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Grab if you can get it.
D-tilt at high percent or if they don't CC.
D-smash otherwise.
If you hold down diagonally down and forward you can crouch and F-tilt so if they space really far away sometimes it's worthwhile to CC F-tilt but in close range it blindspots so grab and D-tilt are better in those cases.
CC depends on move. I do it at any percent with Sheik because even when it starts to knock you over you can just tech those and live longer anyway.
SDI is the same. There is hitlag when you are hit. You can move during this time by hitting the control stick (you can hit it more than once). That is SDI. The SDI time (hitlag) is reduced in Melee comparative to Brawl but functionally it is the same.
SDI is most useful to escape multihit moves like Fox Dair and Uair.
D-tilt at high percent or if they don't CC.
D-smash otherwise.
If you hold down diagonally down and forward you can crouch and F-tilt so if they space really far away sometimes it's worthwhile to CC F-tilt but in close range it blindspots so grab and D-tilt are better in those cases.
CC depends on move. I do it at any percent with Sheik because even when it starts to knock you over you can just tech those and live longer anyway.
SDI is the same. There is hitlag when you are hit. You can move during this time by hitting the control stick (you can hit it more than once). That is SDI. The SDI time (hitlag) is reduced in Melee comparative to Brawl but functionally it is the same.
SDI is most useful to escape multihit moves like Fox Dair and Uair.
`DNS`
Smash Lord
Why do Marths hate Sheiks?
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
because sheik>marth?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Because we're the only character that indisputably gives them the business.
`DNS`
Smash Lord
Why? What exactly does the business entail?
Afro_Chris
Smash Ace
KK posting:
The business entails anything between a simple loss and horrible ****.
Sheik is the only character that really shuts down most of what makes Marth good. She's awesome like that.
That is why Marths hate us.
The business entails anything between a simple loss and horrible ****.
Sheik is the only character that really shuts down most of what makes Marth good. She's awesome like that.
That is why Marths hate us.
Luma
Smash Lord
any1 interested in pal sheik vids? next weekend will be a quite big tournament, from what i know all top 5 sheiks will be there so i guess there will be plenty of good matches from us (top5 would be amsah, adam, dahean, me and not quite sure who would be the 5th but we there are always enough good players who 2nd her ^^)
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
Of course. Always love video's of any sheiks. I still learn quite a bit from PAL sheiks.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Even if we can't learn combos from each other we can still learn approaches and other crap so sure why not.
Cia
das kwl
Reno and I recorded Sheik dittos at a tournament yesterday =D
Cia
das kwl
lol.. i'm going to start typing 'reeno' or something.. lol
Cia
das kwl
^ the only case i know of is While peach downsmashes a grabbed opponent. Norally, one hit knocks them out of the grab. when stale, the opponent remains grabbed and eats all hits.
It doesn't have anything to do with stale hits IIRC.
It has something to do with hitstun of grab attacks.
For example, look at wobbling. Wobbling is just alternating first, a grab attack with f-tilt. The reason the ftilt doesn't send them out of the grab if you do it correctly is because they are stuck in the hitstun frames of the grab attack.
Same thing for peach's dsmash.
There is a video of someone showing this stuff. The guy does a fully charged fsmash with climbers, but just before it hits he grab attacks and he doesn't go anywhere. If I find it I'll link you
To answer your question though, earla. Yes ALL moves in melee do diminish in melee very similar to how they diminish in brawl.
The major difference is that knockback is virtually UNaffected by diminished movesets.
Cia
das kwl
oooooh, Peach boards lied to me.. lol
Peach boards :rocket:
Peach boards :rocket:
Zolios
Smash Apprentice
Why is dtilt to fair so good? ._.
went to show my your moves this past weekend, mango won of course.
i got knocked out by big D's falco, but the experience didn't change my opinion on the sheik vs falco matchup at all. i think it's 50-50 all the way, alldai. i remember trying to think of a good stage to counterpick falco on, and there really isn't one. vice versa, there really isn't a stage i don't really hate playing falco against. FD maybe, but i banned it. i really can't think of another stage i would hate playing falco against.
i also think the matchup is a lot about percentages, just like KK posted in the matchup thread. however, there's no way that sheik has more aerial priority than falco. the only difference is range.
another thing i learned: the sheik vs ganon matchup is NOT ****. it's a myth; ganon does fine against sheik. there's no way that's a **** matchup. i'm not even sure if sheik counters ganon anymore.
i got knocked out by big D's falco, but the experience didn't change my opinion on the sheik vs falco matchup at all. i think it's 50-50 all the way, alldai. i remember trying to think of a good stage to counterpick falco on, and there really isn't one. vice versa, there really isn't a stage i don't really hate playing falco against. FD maybe, but i banned it. i really can't think of another stage i would hate playing falco against.
i also think the matchup is a lot about percentages, just like KK posted in the matchup thread. however, there's no way that sheik has more aerial priority than falco. the only difference is range.
another thing i learned: the sheik vs ganon matchup is NOT ****. it's a myth; ganon does fine against sheik. there's no way that's a **** matchup. i'm not even sure if sheik counters ganon anymore.
pockyD
Smash Legend
falco eats sheik up on rainbow cruise
alternately, i think sheik can get a good edge from brinstar or maybe even mute city
alternately, i think sheik can get a good edge from brinstar or maybe even mute city
I actually think... that on MC Falco is maybe even or has a better chance.
Brinstar is all about the knowledge of the stage.
Falco ***** sheik EVERYWHERE
soap
Smash Hero
i too was at smym, i thought u were there tec, i heard your name being called for pools. When i went to find you i saw this korean dude playing fox with a teczero tag. Then i found out it was jungle lol.
well at least i finally met him. we played some friendlies, it was a good time.
falco sheik is 50/50, annoying to play on both sides.
i also saw m2k's sheik, very impressive in person. He reminds me of my sheik, but like, sped up, and more efficient.
well at least i finally met him. we played some friendlies, it was a good time.
falco sheik is 50/50, annoying to play on both sides.
i also saw m2k's sheik, very impressive in person. He reminds me of my sheik, but like, sped up, and more efficient.
LOL The idea was for him to pretend he was me and that I was him at the tourney I was going to.
Everyone knew me though so my side didn't really work =(.
Junglefever shoulda just kept pretending he was me
. It woulda made for funnier stories. I however do plan on going to MW one of these days. Maybe I can meet and play you sometime
I couldn't do that, Sliq would've tried to kill me or something.
soap
Smash Hero
omg, u shoulda moneymatched sliq and put on the tec tag.
actually, **** it im gonna do that next time
bananarama
Smash Rookie
Is watching two matches of one of the greatest Shieks out there (as well as one of the best players) really effective at deciding a matchup?
Also I know that there is a whole thread on needling now, but I might as well ask this while I am here. Does anybody know when needling as an edge guard stuns recovering characters? Like how sometimes needles are capable of enough hit stun that most characters are in capable of up-bing until it's too late but there are other times when a character can still up-b immediately after getting hit by needles? Or is that just a noob misconception?
soap
Smash Hero
needles always stun, but not for very long.
if u needle their sweet spot, u usually want to go down there yourself and get your hands dirty.
if u needle their sweet spot, u usually want to go down there yourself and get your hands dirty.