Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[pockyD]

just don't fall for empty SH => grab

 

[Mogwai]

ban Stadium vs. Fox, FD vs. Falco, easy.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

until he grabs you. ganon's dthrow > sheik's dthrow

edit: beat to it

 

[Mogwai]

yea, Dirt Nap is too good, it combos into itself vs. Sheik.

 

[Cia]

ban Stadium vs. Fox, FD vs. Falco, easy.

I love FD vs spacies. I'd much rather ban Yoshi's Story.

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

I love FD vs spacies. I'd much rather ban Yoshi's Story.

??
Can you explain why please?

Yoshi's confines spacies and gives you lots of gimpytime...
Everyone from noobs to CPUs to me to M2K like that stage vs spacies...

allsooo
Most adequate spacies play both spacies...
So banning one of those 2 (FD/PS) just kind of makes them switch. My region is full of double competent spacies.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

are you serious?

 

[Mogwai]

??
Can you explain why please?

Yoshi's confines spacies and gives you lots of gimpytime...
Everyone from noobs to CPUs to me to M2K like that stage vs spacies...

allsooo
Most adequate spacies play both spacies...
So banning one of those 2 (FD/PS) just kind of makes them switch. My region is full of double competent spacies.

double competent doesn't = double main. I'd rather play Zhu's Fox than Falco any day ...

edit: vanz has unconventional opinions on everything... especially regarding Falcon

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

double competent doesn't = double main. I'd rather play Zhu's Fox than Falco any day ...

True enough. :D

Edit: Though the top 2 here are essentially double mains. I'm not sure who I'd say they ACTUALLY main...

AHAHA just occured to me... M2K and Mango are freakin close to double mains as well. Even when they use 1 for the majority of the time. Though they aren't ACTUALLY double mains...

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I agree with Vanz. Fox kills you pretty fast off the top on Yoshi's Story and Falco has an easier time comboing Sheik there (with the platforms) than Stadium or Final Destination.

That's just in my opinion though.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Fox is just stupid.

 

[Teczer0]

edit: vanz has unconventional opinions on everything... especially regarding Falcon

This... soooo this. LOL

While I value his opinions sometimes it strikes me like O___o.

Still <333 though.

But falcon is like super super gay.

 

[Mogwai]

he is, but when Hax vs. Plank comes out from Shell Shocked, I want you to watch both matches and then try saying that as a Sheik main

 

[DtJ Jungle]

No Haley's jsut stupid and thinks he sucks at everything.

Vanz has unconventional thoughts, Haley just likes to be emo.

 

[Teczer0]

LOL I'll look forward to it.

And then still call falcon gay

Spoiler

I'll just say it as a fox main =)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

But fox can be so much gayer.

don't go there.

 

[Teczer0]

I wish I was a falco main.

Plank told me I'm not a sheik main that I'm only about fox waaaah

/wrists

Mogwai teach me falco plz =)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

*sigh* and there he goes again.

Pichu's your best char anyway.

 

[Mogwai]

Mogwai teach me falco plz =)

moar lazers and deaf combos

i hate that you're good enough at this game that your falco's probably better than mine despite him being your 10th best character or something

/wrists

 

[DtJ Jungle]

So haley doesnt have a backbone to infract me
instead he sends me this

Travis you have upset me greatly and you must bake me a pretty cake with lolipops sticking out of it everywhere.

NOW!

<33

 

[pockyD]

neat .

 

[Mogwai]

So haley doesnt have a backbone to infract me
instead he sends me this

aww you guys are such a cute couple!

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I wish I had a good Falco. Zhu's Falco is so pretty @_@

Instead I have my ugly Falco who can't even waveshine because he jumps slower than Fox =(

 

[Teczer0]

LOL AHAHAHAHA

I'm mad you quoted that.

Speaking of Falco though I'm not sure if my falco is per say better than your's Mogwai. I haven't seen yours too much but maybe my tech skill is slightly more consistent?

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

I'm preeetty sure Falcon isn't gay if you tech chase and don't get tech chased.

AKA he's gay if you get hit and don't hit him...

But isn't everyone get when they hit people and don't get hit?

Zhu is pretty handsome too. I'd do him for SURE... he needs to come back to canada </3

 

[earla]

1. if your opponents sheild breaks at early %, whats sheiks best option?(most damaging charged move)?

2. how does DI work? is there a difference between DI'ing 'up and away' or away. do the diagonals change the DI significantly?

also generally whats the best way to DI to escape combos

3. whats sheiks FASTEST way to get onto the ledge?

wavedash? turn around short hop? run at edge and up b? short hop reverse needle charge?

cheers.

 

[Teczer0]

1) Depends on percentage. At low percents I'd say grab.

At mid (40-80 area) percent I'd go for upsmash -> grab or some other move. Or just grab.

At high I'd grab.

So just grab.

2) The best way to maximize your DI is to DI perpendicular to the trajectory you got hit.

For example if you get hit with falco's fsmash and you want to live, you should DI up and toward the stage. Because falco's fsmash is up and away from the stage.

To avoid combos you may want to DI down and away typically because most moves send you up and away.

There are other tricks too but if you want just general ideas well there you go.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You could charge your needles and then aerial needle to grab.

Fastest way to the ledge is probably pivot edge grab, or reverse needle cancel.

 

[earla]

how do you pivot edge grab, or reverse needle cancel?

video example too please?

 

[Cia]

vanz has unconventional opinions on everything... especially regarding Falcon

This... soooo this. LOL

While I value his opinions sometimes it strikes me like O___o.

Still <333 though.

But falcon is like super super gay.

efff. youuu

On FD, Foxes usually dash dance til they're cornered. Then they try to Nair through you. It's really easy to counter and can lead to massive tech chases. On yoshi's, spacies can escape via the platforms and regain control of the match. LAME

not only that, but the YS platforms are dumb. I can't edgeguard with SH needle because of the low platforms. and I die when i go for drop zone aerials. LAME

And Falcon's gay as hell. Look up Scar vs Plairnkk @ Shell Shocked. One of plairnkk's entire stocks was literally something like Fair > Dair > Jab reset > Fair > Dair. LAME!!

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

so you switch from Scar vs Plairnkk @ Shell Shocked to Mew2King vs Darkrain @ Genesis???
WIN!

Waveshines >_>

 

[Teczer0]

Its not like I completely disagree with you Vanz.

Just sayin, you got some unconventional choices sometimes.

 

[Cia]

You can't use M2K as an example.

M2K has 4 stocked people that are relatively close to him in skill. Darkrain just lost the momentum and the will to play at some point.

Falcon is ****ing broken. When people learn to embrace this, the healing can begin.

and while some of my methods aren't very cookie cutter, they do work for me. I wouldn't advise something I couldn't back up

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

Can we say the same for everyone else?

I'm in need of healing from a certain nearly everyone...

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I think that's all he's saying Vanz. You have a very distinct style, so what works for you might not fit with the way someone else plays the character.

 

[unknown522]

ignore this post

 

[Cia]

I know.

btw.. in case you couldn't tell, I'm not angry or anything. just a little shocked..

maybe i should use more "lolz" and emoticons..

LoLoLoLoL

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Nah yew gewd

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think it's easier to tech chase on Yoshi into death combo because of tiny, tiny stage. I don't really depend on needle edgeguard too much, it's easier to just Bair or WD FF Bair or whatever. I don't really see the need to dropzone aerials with Sheik because of her stupidly ridiculous ledgehop Bair.

Also, U-tilt/Uair/U-smash combos on that platform arrangement is really good. Better than most levels because the platforms are kind of low but spread out.

Having said that, I don't hate FD anymore. I used to, but not now. There's nothing to get in the way of tech chasing or help him escape. I just feel limited because my jump sucks.

 

[NES n00b]

efff. youuu

And Falcon's gay as hell. Look up Scar vs Plairnkk @ Shell Shocked. One of plairnkk's entire stocks was literally something like Fair > Dair > Jab reset > Fair > Dair. LAME!!

You can't be serious as Falcon has no good matchups.